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Wednesday, May 27, 2020

Christian Cooper has both lived up to his name and proven himself an insightful man asking that people stop threatening the woman who he filmed threatening him.

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Well, at least he's half way there. Now if he'd just man up and acknowledge that his behavior prior to starting the recording was what caused her to feel threatened, and perhaps apologize to her for it (as she has already to done for her behavior towards him), we might have a chance at defeating the Russians.

#1 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-27 04:18 PM | Reply | Funny: 3 | Newsworthy 1

Sentinal do you make a habit of walking towards people who you know can beat you do death after they've threatened you?

#2 | Posted by Tor at 2020-05-27 04:26 PM | Reply

Mr. Christian Cooper had to beg her not to come close to him as she closed in on him. Twice. He musta been using seekrit reverse sikolojy on her,huh Sentinal.

#3 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2020-05-27 04:33 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

Maybe if he had offered her a treat, she would have calmed down. But the truth of the matter is, he didn't want her too. He was getting off on scaring her.

#4 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-27 06:06 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

#2 | Posted by Tor

Jesus Effin" Christ!!!

You idiots quit claiming this man THREATENED her.

No. Such. Thing. Happened.

#5 | Posted by Angrydad at 2020-05-27 06:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Sorry Tor...that was meant for bonehead sentinal.

#6 | Posted by Angrydad at 2020-05-27 06:24 PM | Reply

How's the weather over there in Chelyabinsk?

#7 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-27 06:48 PM | Reply

How about people learn to follow the rules or suffer the consequences.

Plus don't make false police reports.

I hope she learned her lesson.

#8 | Posted by bored at 2020-05-27 07:04 PM | Reply

"How about people learn to follow the rules or suffer the consequences."

Yeah, like not tailgating people into locked apartments, or turning a sofa in a public dorm space into your own bed when you were previously told not to, or burning charcoal in a place where it's not designated, right?

"Plus don't make false police reports."

There was nothing false in her emergency call.

#9 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-27 07:15 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

There was nothing false in her emergency call.
#9 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

What was true about her emergency call?

#10 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-05-27 07:17 PM | Reply

Everything.

#11 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-27 07:28 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Christian's doing good all the way around and some people refuse to see it, let alone acknowledge it.

I am grateful for citizens like Christian Cooper.

#12 | Posted by YAV at 2020-05-27 08:44 PM | Reply

@angrydork

I pointed out it is extremely unlikely he threatened her.

Ffs I'm the guy who posted this article.

#13 | Posted by Tor at 2020-05-27 10:52 PM | Reply

You idiots quit claiming this man THREATENED her.
#5 | POSTED BYANGRYDAD

Just having a black man talk to her is enough for her to feel threatened.

Don't believe me? Just ask Boaz and Sentinel.

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-27 11:00 PM | Reply

Black people have been branded as "dangerous" since the first slaves arrived in Virginia. It was useful to prevent poor whites from finding common cause with black slaves (which would be dangerous for the tyrannical "Planters"). They have always used poor whites to enforce the oppression of blacks. It allows poor whites to think they are "better" and that maintains the social order.

#15 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2020-05-27 11:48 PM | Reply

Really everyone defending her now thinks citizens should not say something when seeing someone breaking the law? or only black citizens should not say anything to white citizens when they break the law? What if this happened in another state and he had a gun and shot her when she came at him? Is walking a dog off-leash as bad a crime as looking around a construction site while jogging? Until everyone agrees that the same rule has to apply to every one white privilege will go unnoticed and unchecked.

#16 | Posted by THomewood at 2020-05-28 05:50 AM | Reply

"Until everyone agrees that the same rule has to apply to every one white privilege will go unnoticed and unchecked."

Spare us this racist garbage. If he was white, you'd be calling him "Creepy Chris" and talking about his white privilege and his chutzpah to be policing a colored person's behavior. Nobody here has said he was wrong to tell her to put the dog on the leash. He was wrong to escalate it even further after his tactic backfired and scared the woman.

#17 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-28 07:46 AM | Reply

"Cooper on CNN decried the death threats directed at the woman, saying that made no sense and defied logic."

What did he think was going to happen when he and his sister put it on social media?

#18 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-28 11:25 AM | Reply

Sentinel that woman wasn't scared she wanted to brawl and the only thing that kept her from getting some sense beat into her was that she knew there was no chance of her winning.

#19 | Posted by Tor at 2020-05-28 12:20 PM | Reply

What does that have to do with naively thinking that people on social media would react in a way that's sensible and logical?

#20 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-28 12:48 PM | Reply

"his tactic...scared the woman."

#17 | POSTED BY SENTINEL AT 2020-05-28 07:46 AM | FLAG:

Baloney.

#21 | Posted by Tor at 2020-05-28 01:05 PM | Reply

"Baloney."

Pastrami.

#22 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-28 01:21 PM | Reply

If he was white,

The woman would have put her dog on a leash and avoided confrontation.

She definitely wouldn't have called the cops.

There would be no story.

Weird how you're so adamant to defend a woman who was asked to obey the law.

#23 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-05-28 01:48 PM | Reply

Statement from Amy Cooper on Central Park Incident

I want to apologize to Chris Cooper for my actions when I encountered him in Central Park yesterday. I reacted emotionally and made false assumptions about his intentions when, in fact, I was the one who was acting inappropriately by not having my dog on a leash. When Chris began offering treats to my dog and confronted me in an area where there was no one else nearby and said, "You're not going to like what I'm going to do next," I assumed we were being threatened when all he had intended to do was record our encounter on his phone. He had every right to request that I leash my dog in an area where it was required. I am well aware of the pain that misassumptions and insensitive statements about race cause and would never have imagined that I would be involved in the type of incident that occurred with Chris. I hope that a few mortifying seconds in a lifetime of forty years will not define me in his eyes and that he will accept my sincere apology.

Amy Cooper took full responsibility for how she reacted to her encounter with Christian Cooper.

All Sentinel is doing is stoking racist revisionism that flies in the face of both participants themselves. There should be no place for that crap here. His opinion does not invalidate Amy Cooper's own factual recitation of her actions - which themselves negate the ignorant and prejudicial viewpoint that Sentinel is propagating.

#24 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-05-28 02:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#24, you're full of ----. There's nothing ignorant of prejudicial about the viewpoint I've been "propagating". What I've been saying is completely in line with her saying she reacted emotionally in response to erroneous assumptions about his intentions. She didn't say she made those assumptions because of his race, nor simply because he was telling her to put the dog on the leash.

#25 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-28 02:56 PM | Reply

"If he was white,
The woman would have put her dog on a leash and avoided confrontation."

You don't know that.

#26 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-28 02:57 PM | Reply

Now if he'd just man up and acknowledge that his behavior prior to starting the recording was what caused her to feel threatened, and perhaps apologize to her for it

So you want the black guy to apologize to the white woman for how his presence and benign words made her feel even after she readily admits that her feelings were based on her own misperceptions of his intent - something she now easily admits?

You are a walking, talking, belching example of white privilege manifest in your insipid postings trying to reassign blame where it never belonged in the first place. Your mindset is the reason why the woman apologized in the first place. She was wholly in the wrong and owned it.

#27 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-05-28 03:35 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

If you're going to do what you want, I'm going to do what I want, but you're not going to like it.

#28 | Posted by visitor_ at 2020-05-28 03:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Your mindset is the reason why the woman apologized in the first place."

You're an idiot. The reason why she apologized is because she played a racist card to try to scare away the perceived threat, and it backfired on her just like his passive-aggressive behavior backfired on him.

"You are a walking, talking, belching example of white privilege"

You're not only an idiot but a drooling idiot.

#29 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-28 03:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The reason why she apologized is because she played a racist card to try to scare away the perceived threat, and it backfired on her just like his passive-aggressive behavior backfired on him.

What exactly backfired on Christian? Not a single thing, but for the ignorant complaints of imbeciles like you whose very notions are repudiated by Amy's own words. I guess you need to read them again.

I want to apologize to Chris Cooper for my actions when I encountered him in Central Park yesterday. I reacted emotionally and made false assumptions about his intentions when, in fact, I was the one who was acting inappropriately by not having my dog on a leash. When Chris began offering treats to my dog and confronted me in an area where there was no one else nearby and said, "You're not going to like what I'm going to do next," I assumed we were being threatened when all he had intended to do was record our encounter on his phone. He had every right to request that I leash my dog in an area where it was required.
I see no backfire, I see nothing in Amy's own words that Christian was associated to anything wrong other than her own reaction in misinterpretation of his intent, something she now readily admits.

The rest is your own delusion based upon the inability of placing yourself into the same scenario without inventing offense where none was given and none was intended, ...just like Amy now says.

#30 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-05-28 04:14 PM | Reply

"What exactly backfired on Christian?"

He has to live with people making death threats on his behalf now. It's unfortunate that I have to spell that out for you.

#31 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-28 05:01 PM | Reply

Lady was crazy enough that if he had been White I think she still would have called the cops and but claims he sexually assaulted her.

Just look at the violence in her eyes and the cold calculated way she bluntly states that she plans to file a false police report.

#32 | Posted by Tor at 2020-05-28 05:36 PM | Reply

#32 - yep. She's an -------. Comes with being (oops!) the VP & Head of Investment Solutions at Franklin Templeton in New York...

I'm glad she gave her dog back, though. I felt bad for her poor dog more than anyone else.

#33 | Posted by YAV at 2020-05-28 06:10 PM | Reply

Jesus Effin" Christ!!!

You idiots quit claiming this man THREATENED her.

No. Such. Thing. Happened.

#5 | Posted by Angrydad

LOL, he even admitted he threatened her..

From HIS OWN WORDS:


Christian Cooper

Central Park this morning: This woman's dog is tearing through the plantings in the Ramble.

ME: Ma'am, dogs in the Ramble have to be on the leash at all times. The sign is right there.
HER: The dog runs are closed. He needs his exercise.
ME: All you have to do is take him to the other side of the drive, outside the Ramble, and you can let him run off leash all you want.
HER: It's too dangerous.
ME: Look, if you're going to do what you want, I'm going to do what I want, but you're not going to like it.
HER: What's that?
ME (to the dog): Come here, puppy!
HER: He won't come to you.
ME: We'll see about that...

I pull out the dog treats I carry for just for such intransigence. I didn't even get a chance to toss any treats to the pooch before Karen scrambled to grab the dog.

HER: DON'T YOU TOUCH MY DOG!!!!!

That's when I started video recording with my iPhone, and when her inner Karen fully emerged and took a dark turn...

He was invading her space, trying to coerce HER dog when he obviously wasnt allowed. He took ACTION. He was the one pushing. He could have stopped this all before it got started. This isnt in dispute.

#34 | Posted by boaz at 2020-05-28 06:33 PM | Reply

If Doing to someone what they obviously dont want you to do to them is ok in liberal society, count me out.

That guy should have left that woman ALONE, but he didnt. He used his position of physical power to intimidate her, THAT's why she reacted like she did.

#35 | Posted by boaz at 2020-05-28 06:35 PM | Reply

Yav the dog isn't a human who had his life threatened.

FYI I'm glad she returned it as well dog ownership isn't for everyone and you're never supposed to chock a cocker spaniel.

#36 | Posted by Tor at 2020-05-28 06:40 PM | Reply

you're never supposed to chock a cocker spaniel.
#36 | Posted by Tor

But black men? No problem!

-Minneapolis and NYC Police

#37 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-05-28 06:41 PM | Reply

He was invading her space, trying to coerce HER dog when he obviously wasnt allowed. He took ACTION. He was the one pushing. He could have stopped this all before it got started. This isnt in dispute.

#34 | Posted by boaz

SHE could have put her dog on the leash like she was supposed to and walked away.

I'm surprised you still have the gall to post here after sh***ing on Rogers like you have.

#38 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-05-28 06:45 PM | Reply

#38,

So you are saying what he said was ok? Stop deflecting.

#39 | Posted by boaz at 2020-05-28 06:51 PM | Reply

I'm not deflecting, you who s**t on RCADE and have the gall to continue posting here.

There were signs posted all over stating that dogs had to be on a leash in that area! She had one in the same hand she was using while she was choking her dog by holding it by the collar, its front feet off the ground.

She was in the wrong, he was in the right.

It's a sad statement about you that you always come down on the side of wrong.

#40 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-05-28 07:01 PM | Reply

He was invading her space, trying to coerce HER dog when he obviously wasnt allowed. He took ACTION. He was the one pushing. He could have stopped this all before it got started. This isn't in dispute.

#34 | POSTED BY BOAZ

You're correct Boaz, it isn't in dispute because Amy Cooper released her own statement in her own words that completely disagrees with every word that you wrote - especially her conclusion on what Christian Cooper actually did versus how she reacted to it:

I want to apologize to Chris Cooper for my actions when I encountered him in Central Park yesterday. I reacted emotionally and made false assumptions about his intentions when, in fact, I was the one who was acting inappropriately by not having my dog on a leash. When Chris began offering treats to my dog and confronted me in an area where there was no one else nearby and said, "You're not going to like what I'm going to do next," I assumed we were being threatened when all he had intended to do was record our encounter on his phone. He had every right to request that I leash my dog in an area where it was required. I am well aware of the pain that misassumptions and insensitive statements about race cause and would never have imagined that I would be involved in the type of incident that occurred with Chris. I hope that a few mortifying seconds in a lifetime of forty years will not define me in his eyes and that he will accept my sincere apology.

www.prnewswire.com

She apologized for HER ACTIONS. She apologized for misinterpreting Christian's intentions BY THE WAY SHE RESPONDED - saying that what Christian requested HE HAD EVERY RIGHT TO DO. And finally in her second to last sentence she admits that her reaction was based on her own predjudice (simply meaning pre-judgement) referring to "the pain that misassumptions and insensitive statements about race cause and would never have imagined that I would be involved in the type of incident that occurred with Chris." She's saying that she responded the way she did BECAUSE of Christian's race. She says this, not me.

SHE took 100% percent responsibility for how the entire encounter regressed. SHE says that Christian did nothing wrong. Perhaps we should take her at her word over you and your now disputed interpretations - interpretations refuted by the woman herself.

#41 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-05-28 07:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Whatever. He still acted like an ass. He still said what he said.

#42 | Posted by boaz at 2020-05-28 07:45 PM | Reply

"He was invading her space, trying to coerce HER dog when he obviously wasnt allowed. He took ACTION."

He took action because she didn't comply with the law.

He called her bluff on her dog being her Good Boye. She immediately folded and rather than accept her loss, sue approached him and then called the floor manager over and complained about his perfectly fair play.

Boaz, you need to stop being such a rag.

#43 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-28 07:56 PM | Reply

He took action because she didn't comply with the law.

That's it in a nutshell.

All she had to do was put the leash on her dog and walk to another area where her dog could run off leash. She admits her actions were race based and wrong all the way around.

#44 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-05-28 08:10 PM | Reply

He took action because she didn't comply with the law.

Didnt know he was the code enforcement police.

#45 | Posted by boaz at 2020-05-28 08:11 PM | Reply

Oh, so NOW your argument is he had no right to say anything because he wasn't in code enforcement.

Go back to your conservative coffee clutch. The hole you've dug for yourself around here is deep.

#46 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-05-28 08:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Didnt know he was the code enforcement police.
#45 | Posted by boaz

You're such a ---- beta male.

#47 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-05-28 08:18 PM | Reply

"Oh, so NOW your argument is he had no right to say anything because he wasn't in code enforcement."

If you didn't have a straw man, you wouldn't have a man at all.

#48 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-28 11:13 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#48 - that's literally what Boaz clearly meant. I don't think you understand what a strawman argument is.

#49 | Posted by YAV at 2020-05-29 12:01 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

He took action because she didn't comply with the law.
Didnt know he was the code enforcement police.
#45 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Really?
You figured it out just fine with George Zimmerman.

#50 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-29 12:06 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

Didnt know he was the code enforcement police.
#45 | POSTED BY BOAZ

He committed law abiding behavior that helped regulate the intended operations of the public space.

She took umbrage making assumptions instead of acquiescing and doing what she should have; that being what You (especially) demand of everyone else (and seemingly more so for one group of people over others): Obey the law.

You have to admit, had she done what she was supposed to do, nothing would have come of this. Too bad you didn't point that out initially, considering your publicly known ideology.

#51 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-05-29 12:09 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

48 - that's literally what Boaz clearly meant.
#49 | POSTED BY YAV

Agreed.

#52 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-05-29 12:10 AM | Reply

He took action because she didn't comply with the law.
Didnt know he was the code enforcement police.

#45 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Really?
You figured it out just fine with George Zimmerman.

#50 | Posted by snoofy

Bullseye!

#53 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-05-29 02:07 AM | Reply

He took action because she didn't comply with the law.
Didnt know he was the code enforcement police.

#45 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Really?
You figured it out just fine with George Zimmerman.

#50 | Posted by snoofy

Bullseye!

#53 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY

Bam!

Drop the mic. Threads over. For bozo.

#54 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-05-29 10:06 AM | Reply

He still acted like an ass. He still said what he said.

#42 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Acting like an ass never seemed to bother you or Trumpy or any other deplorable before.

What happened? What changed?

#55 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-05-29 10:08 AM | Reply

"He was invading her space, trying to coerce HER dog when he obviously wasnt allowed. He took ACTION."

It was a public space. Not "her" space. He kept his distance. Demanding she do the same. And what was it that he did that "wasn't allowed"? If the dog was on a leash the dog could not be "coerced". Which is one of the reasons for the law. He took action because he was being responsible. Or at least trying to be responsible.

Deplorables are so very strange. They would defend Zimmerman to the bitter end for stalking and killing a man claiming he was standing his ground. But whatever this man did while standing his ground they cannot abide!

The horror!

#56 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-05-29 10:16 AM | Reply

"#48 - that's literally what Boaz clearly meant. I don't think you understand what a strawman argument is."

Show me where Boaz said he had no right to say "anything". You can't, because he didn't. He's been criticizing ManKaren for the same reason I have, over the specific "you're not going to like it" threat coupled with his attempt to lure her dog away from her.

#57 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-29 10:34 AM | Reply

Given the numerous articles written by women telling men that when in public the mere act of approaching them for even the most benign reason puts them on guard I cannot fathom why it is so impossible for so many here to completely disregard that the woman in this story could possibly have felt like she might be in danger when Mr. Cooper said "you do what you want to do, and I'll do what I want but you're not going to like it."

In her apology she basically says that's exactly what happened, and in hindsight realizes that he only meant that he wouldn't like him recording it.

No one is saying she was right, that she reacted well, nothing like that... Just that what he said to a woman in a part of the park where she was alone was taken the wrong way. Why is it so hard to acknowledge that something set her to acting so manic and just maybe a woman alone in the park was already on edge from even just being approached at all, never mind a negative interaction?

#58 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2020-05-29 12:26 PM | Reply

"Given the numerous articles written by women telling men that when in public the mere act of approaching them for even the most benign reason puts them on guard I cannot fathom why it is so impossible for so many here to completely disregard that the woman in this story could possibly have felt like she might be in danger"

That one is pretty easy.

Try reading her apology.

She "could possibly have felt like she might be in danger?"

She did not in fact feel that way.

#59 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-29 12:41 PM | Reply

the mere act of approaching them for even the most benign reason puts them on guard

She approached him. At least twice. He was the one telling her not to. Repeatedly.

#60 | Posted by YAV at 2020-05-29 12:47 PM | Reply

This is really what needs to be censored on social media. I know Libs ignore the facts but death threats are made against every skin color there is. If someone does something that others don't agree with, and it gets in the news or social media, that person receives death threats. There are ample examples of it happening to white people, black people, etc. And the death threats are all due to anonymity or proximity. The news makes them a huge deal yet time and time again they come from people who would never make a threat like that in person and are just making their absurd opinion known because they feel the world just can't keep turning unless they provide a stupid opinion about a situation.

#61 | Posted by humtake at 2020-05-29 12:52 PM | Reply

they feel the world just can't keep turning unless they provide a stupid opinion about a situation.

#61 | POSTED BY HUMTAKE

Case in point.

#62 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-05-29 12:55 PM | Reply

"She approached him. At least twice. He was the one telling her not to. Repeatedly."

---- off. You know that he approached her first.

#63 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-29 01:04 PM | Reply

Moving back and forth while already under the rush of adrenaline is not what approached means in the context I used it in. The fact that you have to play parse the sentence word games speaks volumes about the quality of your actual argument. You don't have one.

#64 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2020-05-29 01:16 PM | Reply

I could have copy/pasted the whole thing and it would still be accurate. Your equivocating.

#65 | Posted by YAV at 2020-05-29 01:30 PM | Reply

What a surprise, That makes little to no sense

#66 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2020-05-29 01:37 PM | Reply

"This is really what needs to be censored on social media. I know Libs ignore the facts but death threats are made against every skin color there is. If someone does something that others don't agree with, and it gets in the news or social media, that person receives death threats."

Trump Tweeted a video that says:
"The only good Democrat is a dead Democrat."

Is that the kind of thing you're talking about, Humtake?

#67 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-29 01:47 PM | Reply

You know that he approached her first.
#63 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

You mean, she was in the designated Bbird watching area with her unleashed dog, when he approached the designated bird watching area to watch birds.

How dare he!

#68 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-29 02:40 PM | Reply

In the examples I keep quoting the women are saying it's as simple as asking the time as you pass them by on a run. No suggestion that the man doesn't belong there, or shouldn't be. Just like in this situation, no one is suggesting that Mr. Cooper didn't belong there or that approaching her to ask her to leash her dog was wrong. What is being suggested is that from the perspective of a woman, alone, in an out of the way location with no help available, a man approaching a woman can induce unease. A lot of men here who seemingly are willing to dismiss rather well documented feelings of women... cuz you know, they know better.

#69 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2020-05-29 03:23 PM | Reply

"What is being suggested is that from the perspective of a woman, alone, in an out of the way location with no help available"

What you are suggesting is false.

Read her apology.

#70 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-29 03:25 PM | Reply

Snoofy,

quoted from her apology:

"When Chris began offering treats to my dog and confronted me in an area where there was no one else nearby and said, "You're not going to like what I'm going to do next," I assumed we were being threatened"

How does that not speak exactly to what you quoted me on in your #70?... She basically says it verbatim

#71 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2020-05-29 03:43 PM | Reply

With what was she being threatened?

Also, you'll notice it was not his movement, but his words, that made her feel threatened.

So, him approaching her was not threatening, according to her.

All that you guys are striving to accomolish here is that "Your honor, I was in fear of my life" remains a valid excuse for taking someone's life.

It didn't happen in this case, but if she killed him, you'd be defending her. Because she felt threatened.

You are keeping alive the narrative that blacks are threatening just by engaging in normal behavior.

#72 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-29 03:52 PM | Reply

"When Chris began offering treats to my dog and confronted me in an area where there was no one else nearby and said, "You're not going to like what I'm going to do next," I assumed we were being threatened"

^
Hers isn't even the correct timeline of events.

Also, it's Central Park. There's other people nearby.

#73 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-29 03:54 PM | Reply

Oh gosh. I took the autistic troll out of my kill file for a moment to see what it was saying. It still can't pass the Turing Test.

#74 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-29 03:55 PM | Reply

I've said over and over that she was wrong, overreacted, once she overreacted she then went over the top and weaponized his being black...etc..

Why is it impossible to look at a situation and analyze what happened, realize there was some nuance to the back and forth... He carries dog biscuits, brags about shaming others into leashing their dogs, and realize that maybe this one time, some poorly chosen/timed words to a woman who might think she compromised position helped push her over the edge?

That's the DR 100% fault any time all time. There is no way that there can be multiple bad actors, nope, has to be one devil and one angel in every story.

99% and 1% fault? nope, he's a black man so his race card beats her woman's card, so she has to be completely to blame.

I'm not even saying that he did any of this consciously, I think this just blew up quicker than either thought could happen.

#75 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2020-05-29 04:03 PM | Reply

"He carries dog biscuits, brags about shaming others into leashing their dogs, and realize that maybe this one time, some poorly chosen/timed words to a woman who might think she compromised position helped push her over the edge?"

Sure, I can address that.

When the camel's back breaks, do you blame the straw?

#76 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-29 04:14 PM | Reply

Hers isn't even the correct timeline of events.

Also, it's Central Park. There's other people nearby.

#73 | Posted by snoofy

What most people would have done:

Apologize, snap on leash, walk away and take dog to area across the road where it could run free.

#77 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-05-29 04:19 PM | Reply

And there we have it, there has to be blame.

We can't look at it and dissect a human interaction and try to learn from it, there must be blame.

Snoofy will blame the weak back. While I'll try to understand why there was stacking of straws in the first place, and what the possible limit to the number of straws is.

Have fun finding blame in everything though, guaranteed route to a better life I'm sure.

#78 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2020-05-29 04:21 PM | Reply

I blame KWRX.
For everything.

#79 | Posted by YAV at 2020-05-29 04:27 PM | Reply

oh man how did I mess 73...

Really, your best defense to her feeling threatened possibly is that in her apology the exact order of events isn't laid out perfectly?

We are discussing if she could feel threatened being approached and alone and you say to read her apology...

I quote her apology stating exactly that, basically verbatim, and you come back with that weak sauce? pathetic

I've been alone in Central Park many times, it's actually a pretty big place. Google maps central park ramble... it's all woods.

Your back pedaling is getting weak Snoofy.

#80 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2020-05-29 04:29 PM | Reply

*miss

#81 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2020-05-29 04:29 PM | Reply

"Snoofy will blame the weak back."

Nah.

Hey KWRX25.

Is blame the same thing as accountability?

Thanks.

"We are discussing if she could feel threatened being approached and alone and you say to read her apology..."

You're taking this to a hypothetical when there's no need to hypothesize.

We have all the information we need from the video and her statement.

What you're doing is finding reasons to not hold her accountable, because she might have been scared.

You ever been scared of something, KWRX25? Or are you such a big man that being scared is only something you read about in women's diaries?

#82 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-29 04:50 PM | Reply

"Really, your best defense to her feeling threatened possibly is that in her apology the exact order of events isn't laid out perfectly?"

You're missing it.

I don't need to defend her feeling threatened.
Feeling threatened doesn't change anything.
It especially doesn't make her no longer responsible for her actions.
It might justify her actions, but it doesn't alleviate her responsibility for her actions.

#83 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-29 04:53 PM | Reply

When did I say she isn't responsible? Or shouldn't face consequences?

#84 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2020-05-29 05:02 PM | Reply

I've been alone in Central Park many times, it's actually a pretty big place. Google maps central park ramble... it's all woods.

#80 | Posted by kwrx25

And right across the road in the park are open fields where her dog could have run off leash to her heart's content.

#85 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-05-29 05:03 PM | Reply

That's great except what you quoted was my response to Snoofy saying she was in central Park and therefore couldn't have felt isolated.

Thanks for pointing out the surroundings of the ramble though

Tomorrow is Saturday, so peanut butter and rocks are for lunch, would have been just as helpful though.

#86 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2020-05-29 05:15 PM | Reply

Obviously she must be some kind of nut, She was wearing a mask outside in an isolated section of park.

#87 | Posted by visitor_ at 2020-05-29 05:16 PM | Reply

On a nice day like that was no one is very far away. And just across the road (these are park roads, not busy streets) was a nice open field where her dog could have run to its heart's content, as the man explained to her.

A polite person would have apologized after he explained to her that unleashed dogs weren't allowed in that particular area (signs saying so), leashed her dog, and walked just across the road where he dog could have run off leash.

Right wingers come off as: Black man, BAD! White woman, GOOD!

#88 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-05-29 05:21 PM | Reply

#87 - don't go stepping on KWRX like that.

#89 | Posted by YAV at 2020-05-29 05:49 PM | Reply

When did I say she isn't responsible? Or shouldn't face consequences?
#84 | POSTED BY KWRX25

Oh, so you blame her too. And you think she should be held accountable too.
Sounds like you and Snoofy have a lot in common!

#90 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-29 06:00 PM | Reply

We differ with thinking he wasn't somewhat of a bad actor here too though.

#91 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2020-05-29 06:16 PM | Reply

"We differ with thinking he wasn't somewhat of a bad actor here too though."

I don't spend my days wondering which one is the "bad actor" when one is clearly in violation of the law, and the other is clearly acting legally in an attempt to get the malefactor to comply with the law.

You just have to have some reason the black man was wrong too.

It's pathetic. And racist af.

#92 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-29 06:24 PM | Reply

A polite person would have apologized after a woman told him she felt her life was threatened. A sensible person would have at least tried to assure her that no threat was intended, instead of saying "tell them whatever you like". Chris Cooper had no more sense than Amy Cooper.

#93 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-29 06:37 PM | Reply

"A polite person would have apologized after a woman told him she felt her life was threatened."

So now the complaint is:
The Black Man Wasn't Polite.
It's pathetic. And racist af.

#94 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-29 06:39 PM | Reply

Thats it I'm racist, I'm pretty much on record on almost all stories as looking at how the interaction leading up to an event caused it it to unfold as it did. But doing it in this case , this time its because I'm a racist.

All I've said is that he likes to make the non leashers uncomfortable and this time he ran into an overreacter.

So verify for me... I feel like he was trying to make her leash her dog by making her uncomfortable... and that's racist?

#95 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2020-05-29 06:41 PM | Reply

"I feel like he was trying to make her leash her dog by making her uncomfortable... and that's racist?"

To reiterate,
You just have to have some reason the black man was wrong too.
It's pathetic. And racist af.

#96 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-29 06:47 PM | Reply

"The Black Man Wasn't Polite.
It's pathetic. And racist af."

You're the one obsessing about his race, so that makes you pathetic and racist af. We wouldn't expect someone like you to know how a real man should behave when interacting with a woman, but for a 57-year-old Harvard graduate, it is a huge disappointment and deficit in his character, regardless of his skin color.

#97 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-29 06:48 PM | Reply

Snoofy would you mind putting your virtue signal down, you keep shining it in my eyes

#98 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2020-05-29 06:52 PM | Reply

Snoofy thinks women should know their place.
It's pathetic. And sexist af.

#99 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-29 07:10 PM | Reply

Racism has no place in a tolerant society.

Looming to find fault with the object of a racist attack is no different than saying she was asking to get raped because she dressed that way.

You two are beneath contempt, and I'm pretty sure you both know it.

#100 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-29 07:22 PM | Reply

Was he too "uppity" to her? Is that the issue?

#101 | Posted by YAV at 2020-05-29 07:47 PM | Reply

Lazy argument Snoofy... you don't feel like I do about race so you're a racist.

Pretty strong charge without you knowing much about me

#102 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2020-05-29 08:00 PM | Reply

Was she too "uppity" to him? Karen is just a nickname for a women (sic) who doesn't known her place.

#103 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-29 08:16 PM | Reply

"Throw Karen down the well,
So my country can be free..."

You guys are beneath contempt.

#104 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-29 08:21 PM | Reply

"Lazy argument Snoofy... you don't feel like I do about race so you're a racist."

Lazy doesn't make it wrong.

How do you feel about race?

Does race even play a role in what happened?

#105 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-29 08:21 PM | Reply

Pretty strong charge without you knowing much about me
#102 | POSTED BY KWRX25

Don't need to know much.

If it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck, it's a duck.

#106 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-29 08:22 PM | Reply

"Throw Karen down the well,
So my country can be free..."
You guys are beneath contempt.
#104 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

Racism is the problem.

And, once again, by putting some of the blame on him, you're doing the same thing as when you put some of the blame for rape on how the victim was dressed.

Which is beneath contempt.

How do we take your point of view and turn it into advice for a better world? Don't tell white women to behave decently, or they might call the cops on you? Don't offer someone's dog treats to shame them into controlling their property as required by law in public?

#107 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-29 08:34 PM | Reply

"Throw Snoofy down the well,
So my country can be free..."

#108 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-29 09:24 PM | Reply

"she was asking to get raped because she wasn't wearing a leash"

Bitch deserved it.

#109 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-29 09:28 PM | Reply

Miscreants like you like to see bitches raped in central park.

#110 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-29 09:30 PM | Reply

#109 That's a popular opinion of more than one poster on this site, sadly.

#111 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2020-05-29 09:34 PM | Reply

That's a popular opinion of more than one poster on this site, sadly.

Exactly. Almost uniformly a position of Trump supporters and republicans. There's an entire history of it. That and murder of people that don't know their place. The Republican Senate even passed laws supporting the right to rape and get away with it.

Here's a sampling of Republican "thought" on rape:

www.snopes.com

#112 | Posted by YAV at 2020-05-29 09:43 PM | Reply

You're more of a racist than anyone on here just because you feel the need to white knight for mr cooper... I'm sure he can take the criticism he doesn't need you making sure the poor black man is taken care.

Way to place yourself above him

#113 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2020-05-29 09:55 PM | Reply

I wonder who that was directed at? Appears to be wild flailing and poop flinging.

#114 | Posted by YAV at 2020-05-29 09:59 PM | Reply

"That and murder of people that don't know their place."

Like the people threatening Ms. Cooper?

#115 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-29 10:20 PM | Reply

#114, coprophilia noted.

#116 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-29 10:25 PM | Reply

Meh. At least there was some effort and an interesting word used.

People threatening Ms. Cooper? Yeah.
I suppose Chris is a misogynist and/or a racist for coming to her aid and defending her.
She's not here, of course, and neither is Chris, but apparently I'm a racist for defending Chris because he, who isn't here, can defend himself.

Does that make sense?

You're right. It doesn't.

See "flinging poop" above for a clue.

Glad I could help.

BTW - Amy and Chris have moved on. Shouldn't you, too?

#117 | Posted by YAV at 2020-05-29 10:40 PM | Reply

The only thing keeping this alive is those of you refusing to move on from defending his indefensible behavior after he frightened her.

#118 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-29 10:56 PM | Reply

"indefensible behavior"

If giving someone else's dog a treat is indefensible behavior, what does that make calling the police on a man engaging in the indefensible behavior of giving someone eles'e dog a treat?

Notice how she's the victim now. A victim of "indefensible behavior."

And a victim of police, who wouldn't help.

#119 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-29 11:16 PM | Reply

"she was asking to get raped because she wasn't wearing a leash"
Bitch deserved it.
#109 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

I believe her dog is just a dog, not a breeding bitch.
And it's not fair to blame the dog for not wearing a leash; that's the owner's responsibility.
Likewise, if you let your dog run around without a leash, you are responsible for the consequences. Not the dog.

#120 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-29 11:19 PM | Reply

You bear no responsibility for your intractable position?

What's so fun for me is I no longer care about her or him. They resolved their differences and she's issued a huge apology. They aren't a part of my life. But you, you're fun. You're here.

For instance:

She was an entitled VP that thought laws and rules were for little people. An "uppity" educated talented gifted gay black man put her in her place.

And you can't quit defending her even after she apologized profusely and admitted being in the wrong.

It's adorable.

(see #24)

#121 | Posted by YAV at 2020-05-29 11:20 PM | Reply

#120 - Sent's got 99 problems and the bitch ain't one.

#122 | Posted by YAV at 2020-05-29 11:21 PM | Reply

"You're more of a racist than anyone on here just because you feel the need to white knight for mr cooper."

Reality is white knighting Mr. Cooper.
Since he's a black man who got the cops called on him for what? Asking a white woman to simply act like a responsible person and obey the law.

And it's not like he was calling in some little kid's lemonade stand. The law she was breaking disturbed his peace.

#123 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-29 11:22 PM | Reply

Reality is he told her told call the cops. Reality is he knew he had scared her and he was getting off on the fear he caused. Reality is both he and his sister have just as much racial animosity towards whites as Amy does against blacks.

#124 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-29 11:40 PM | Reply

And you can't quit defending her even after she apologized profusely and admitted being in the wrong.

And he'll still be doing it tomorrow. Probably on a thread about the SpaceX launch.

#125 | Posted by REDIAL at 2020-05-29 11:41 PM | Reply

"Reality is he told her told call the cops."

Yeah. That was just one of many clues that she was wrong and he was right.

"Reality is he knew he had scared her and he was getting off on the fear he caused."

What is this guy, a Border Patrol agent taking a child from its mother's arms?

#126 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-29 11:47 PM | Reply

"Reality is both he and his sister have just as much racial animosity towards whites as Amy does against blacks."

Ah yes.
"There were good people on both sides."

#127 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-29 11:48 PM | Reply

No, get it right.
"There were good Karens on both sides."

#128 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-29 11:57 PM | Reply

"And you can't quit defending her "

The bitch deserved to be raped.

#129 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-30 12:02 AM | Reply

Sent's in full "totally make up as much ---- as possible" mode now.

Damn this is entertaining!

#130 | Posted by YAV at 2020-05-30 12:05 AM | Reply

YAV

"Sent's in full "totally make up as much ---- as possible" mode now.
Damn this is entertaining!"

Some adjustment will have to be made. The Nooner is under siege by liberals now and that leaves a lot of fish out of water.

#131 | Posted by Twinpac at 2020-05-30 12:17 AM | Reply

"Damn this is entertaining!"

I'm glad you think bitches being raped is entertaining. It's almost as funny as one bitch video recording another bitch with doggy treats.

#132 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-30 12:17 AM | Reply

Reality is both he and his sister have just as much racial animosity towards whites as Amy does against blacks.
#124 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

Do you consider yourself as the sole arbiter to what is and what is not reality?

#133 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-05-30 02:31 AM | Reply

No, but I clearly have a much better grasp of it than people who think you can record a video using doggy treats.

#134 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-30 02:41 AM | Reply

"people who think you can record a video using doggy treats"

Still preferable to people who think Swastikas need to have their public image rehabilitated.

#135 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-30 05:27 PM | Reply

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