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Thursday, May 28, 2020

Anger over the death of George Floyd under a police officer's knee spilled into the streets of Minneapolis for a second night Wednesday, intensifying well beyond Tuesday night's unrest with a shooting death, widespread looting and a fire that shrouded the Lake Street neighborhood in smoke.

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Not that it isn't justified, but I've seen some reports of some ------ up things.
An old white dude in a pick-up intentionally ramming black folks in their cars. A white guy, possibly a cop or militiaman, breaking windows at an auto parts store.
And my buddies scooter shop with a broken window.

#1 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2020-05-28 08:11 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Has there been any word from our stupendous leader on this yet? Or is he too busy ragging on Twitter? Priorities you know.

#2 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2020-05-28 08:12 AM | Reply

The same armed redneck types that say/post things like "When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny" (an exact quote from the comment section from an article about the militia morons in Michigan I read yesterday and also falsely attributed to Thomas Jefferson) were out in force yesterday in Minneapolis....in support the government killing of innocent black people.

#3 | Posted by qcp at 2020-05-28 08:48 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Wonder how the rooftop Koreans are faring these days

#4 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2020-05-28 09:36 AM | Reply

They've grown stupid and violent.

When they start breaking into random stores and looting it's no longer a protest it's just a riot by a bunch of thieving fools.

#5 | Posted by Tor at 2020-05-28 12:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

When they start breaking into random stores and looting it's no longer a protest ...
#5 | POSTED BY TOR

Maybe, but it's only the disingenuous that use the actions of opportunistic criminals to discount the completely valid ideas of the protesters.

#6 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2020-05-28 12:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

Has there been any word from our stupendous leader on this yet? Or is he too busy ragging on Twitter? Priorities you know.

#2 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2020-05-28 08:12 A

"I have asked for this investigation to be expedited and greatly appreciate all of the work done by local law enforcement," he continued. "My heart goes out to George's family and friends. Justice will be served!"

#7 | Posted by rhet at 2020-05-28 12:31 PM | Reply

Hence the reason the suspected white sabator was vandalizing the store.

#8 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2020-05-28 12:31 PM | Reply

#7 | POSTED BY RHET

That's acceptable.
I do notice he manages to praise the cops.

#9 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2020-05-28 12:35 PM | Reply

We can thank a murderer wearing a police uniform and a badge for this.

#10 | Posted by getoffmedz at 2020-05-28 12:39 PM | Reply

"Not that it isn't justified, but I've seen some reports of some ------ up things."

Protests and CIVIL disobedience are totally justified in this case. The things you described and the violent destruction reported are totally not.

#11 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-28 12:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

We can thank a murderer wearing a police uniform and a badge for this.

#10 | POSTED BY GETOFFMEDZ

Responsibility for the looting, vandalism and arson lies solely with those committing those acts.

Destroying your community in response to destruction of your community seems rather stupid, no?

#12 | Posted by jpw at 2020-05-28 12:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

...it's only the disingenuous that use the actions of opportunistic criminals to discount the completely valid ideas of the protesters.
#6 | POSTED BY TFDNIHILIST

Point proven by the last 3 posts.

#14 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2020-05-28 01:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I think America must see that riots do not develop out of thin air. Certain conditions continue to exist in our society which must be condemned as vigorously as we condemn riots. But in the final analysis, a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it that America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the Negro poor has worsened over the last few years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice, equality, and humanity. And so in a real sense our nation's summers of riots are caused by our nation's winters of delay. And as long as America postpones justice, we stand in the position of having these recurrences of violence and riots over and over again. Social justice and progress are the absolute guarantors of riot prevention."

- Dr Martin Luther King Jr

#15 | Posted by Pirate at 2020-05-28 02:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

Looking at the locations of some mainstream company names looted or set on fire (Target - looted, Bank of America - vandalized, McDonalds - set on fire), and these folks were close to the MN Federal Reserve, but didn't Target it. Missed opportunity.

#16 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2020-05-28 04:15 PM | Reply

"Point proven by the last 3 posts."

You can't cite even one thing from those 3 posts which "discount the completely valid ideas of the protesters". What that cop did is indefensible and should be protested. What the looters and rioters did is also indefensible and should be protested.

Don't be a Russian asset.

#17 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-28 04:38 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

"Every time black people riot and loot they knowingly feed into the worst stereo types about themselves and they often do so for the price of a pair of shoes or a tv."

Replace "black" with "poor" and it's more valid. Also, I'm convinced that a lot of rioters are people who just show up at any protest to cause chaos and watch the world burn, literally.

#18 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-28 04:46 PM | Reply

This is like Baltimore. The job to stop the looting, arson, vandalism, etc belongs to the city and state, not the Fed.

#19 | Posted by Petrous at 2020-05-28 05:34 PM | Reply

Just giving space for the people to act?

#20 | Posted by Petrous at 2020-05-28 05:35 PM | Reply

This isn't the 1960s South under segregation.

America has had a black president ffs and Minnesota voted for him twice.

And despite Trump's best efforts we aren't going back as a society these are just people that wanted free stuff.

#21 | Posted by Tor at 2020-05-28 05:39 PM | Reply

Destroying your community in response to destruction of your community seems rather stupid, no?

What do you propose they do? Take a bus to some other community and riot there?

Or just sit at home and take it in the ass while racism runs rampant in America?

If i were treated as poorly as black Americans are i'd be rioting too.

#22 | Posted by JOE at 2020-05-28 05:48 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 3

And yes, i realize there are more than those two options. But when decades of traditional uprising fail to achieve much of anything, riots are wholly predictable.

#23 | Posted by JOE at 2020-05-28 05:51 PM | Reply

Should the victims of rioters riot on them?

#24 | Posted by Petrous at 2020-05-28 05:54 PM | Reply

#24 Are you going to pretend that having your window broken is the same thing as decades of being treated like a second class citizen, to the point where police think they have the right to murder you?

#25 | Posted by JOE at 2020-05-28 06:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"What do you propose they do? Take a bus to some other community and riot there?
Or just sit at home and take it in the ass while racism runs rampant in America?"

Because there's nothing in between rioting and doing nothing, right -------?

"If i were treated as poorly as black Americans are i'd be rioting too."

Either way you're revolting.

#26 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-28 06:03 PM | Reply

"Are you going to pretend that having your window broken "

Stop defending violence, you POS.

#27 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-28 06:05 PM | Reply

Another predestined result of the Us vs. Them mentality.

#28 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-05-28 06:09 PM | Reply

Because there's nothing in between rioting and doing nothing, right -------?

Taking a knee resulted in a knee being planted on a black man's neck, so... ... ... ... ... ...

#29 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-05-28 06:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You want this to end?

Arrest the former officers.

#30 | Posted by YAV at 2020-05-28 06:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Because there's nothing in between rioting and doing nothing, right -------?

What specific form of "in between" do you recommend that hasnt already been tried and proven to be a failure?

Either way you're revolting.

So? Revolt is clearly needed when cops are murdering people in broad daylight with cameras pointed at them.

#31 | Posted by JOE at 2020-05-28 06:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Arrest the former officers."

I think it's very likely that at least the ones we saw in the video will be arrested. The fact that people are committing violence to protest violence will not be a factor in that, nor will it make it happen any sooner.

#32 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-28 06:38 PM | Reply

Just watched the investigators' press conference and while they tried to touch all the right notes about taking time not to rush into a prosecution without all due diligence, the reality of situations like these are so incendiary because of this: The prosecutors and investigators ALWAYS talk about making sure they go by the book whenever they seek to arrest and prosecute a member of law enforcement - a consideration the law enforcement officer under investigation summarily DENIED the dead victim.

When damning video evidence of a crime exists, LEO doesn't need to have the full case made, they need to at minimum arrest every suspect immediately under suspicion of homicide pending a grand jury indictment for the very proven fact of their immediate danger to the public at large based on their actions. Maybe the law will be on the cop's side and they may not even be charged by a grand jury, but they should always be arrested - like every other citizen would under the exact same circumstances.

#33 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-05-28 06:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

This is why

#34 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-05-28 06:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#34

You know what? This cop has probably done more to rehabilitate Colin Kaepernick than anyone ever thought possible.

Taking a knee has just taken on an entirely new context to all those who thought the gesture was somehow an insult to the flag.

Taking a knee is what is was intended to be and now has become - a symbol of the unequal power and justice dynamic between the aggressors of extrajudicial injustices and those who wrongly suffer and die under its influences.

#35 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-05-28 07:15 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 6

@TasneemN

Minneapolis officer Derek Chauvin, who knelt on George Floyd's neck, has had 17 complaints against him filed over the years.

All but one were closed without discipline, per records.

12:24 PM - May 28, 2020 (with graphic)

#36 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-05-28 07:19 PM | Reply

The prosecutors and investigators ALWAYS talk about making sure they go by the book whenever they seek to arrest and prosecute a member of law enforcement - a consideration the law enforcement officer under investigation summarily DENIED the dead victim.

Yep. And then some (likely white) people ponder on the internet why the oppressed are driven to violence.

#37 | Posted by JOE at 2020-05-28 07:27 PM | Reply

Officer Chauvin : I am so good at this I can kill this guy with my hands in my pocket. Amateurs would use a rope and tree, but not me.

#38 | Posted by bruceaz at 2020-05-28 07:28 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Protesters jumped the shark when they looted that target.

National Guard has been called out and it's time to go home before something bad happens.

#39 | Posted by Tor at 2020-05-28 07:37 PM | Reply

If there is a trial, the defense should slow down the video like they did at the Rodney King trial.

Make the us watch the cops suffocate a man for an hour. Every little movement showing his resistance and failure to comply.

Make sure the jurors know Trump sides with the police.

Make sure Anerica knows Trump will pardon the cop if convicted.

#40 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-28 07:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Protesters jumped the shark when they looted that target.

Yeah, they should have set up an equity firm first!

#41 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-05-28 07:49 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Protesters jumped the shark...
#39 | POSTED BY TOR

I thought we determined up thread that the protesters were different than the looters. That looters are opportunistic criminals who prey on protests.
Wasn't that the point?

...people are committing violence to protest violence...
#32 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

I guess not.

#42 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2020-05-28 07:49 PM | Reply

In their addled minds, many of the rioters and looters believe that their actions are a legitimate way to protest. They are just wrong about that.

#43 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-28 07:57 PM | Reply

Surveillance video from nearby businesses evidence he was not 'resisting arrest.'

#44 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-05-28 07:58 PM | Reply

Officer Chauvin : I am so good at this I can kill this guy with my hands in my pocket. Amateurs would use a rope and tree, but not me.

I hope to goodness that I'm wrong, but it's probably likely that you could find a meme on certain websites showing the photo of Chauvin nonchalantly choking the life out of Floyd with a caption saying:

"Hey Colin, THIS is how you take a knee."

#45 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-05-28 07:58 PM | Reply

- Dr Martin Luther King Jr

#15 | Posted by Pirate

Yeah.

No.

#46 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2020-05-28 08:00 PM | Reply

protests took place in other states and no one looted.

#47 | Posted by Tor at 2020-05-28 08:01 PM | Reply

I hope to goodness that I'm wrong, but it's probably likely that you could find a meme ...

#45 | Posted by tonyroma

Too many words, Tony.

Avoid mealy mouthing.

I know. It's *hard* for you.

#48 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2020-05-28 08:02 PM | Reply

In their addled minds, many of the rioters and looters believe that their actions are a legitimate way to protest. They are just wrong about that.
#43 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

What difference does it make if their protest is legitimate?

Please explain yourself.

#49 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-28 08:03 PM | Reply

Make sure the jurors know Trump sides with the police.
Make sure Anerica knows Trump will pardon the cop if convicted.
#40 | Posted by snoofy

Why you lie so much Snoofy?

I know why.

Say it.

#50 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2020-05-28 08:05 PM | Reply

"Why you lie so much Snoofy?"

How is predicting the future lying?

I mean, when Trump Sharpied in the hurricane, that was a lie.

Is that what you think I'm doing? Have I Sharpied in a hurricane over your snowflake? Are you being treated unfairly? Do you feel the knee of the Snoof upon your neck?

Hear this when you die:

F--- your feelings.

#51 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-28 08:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Taking a knee has just taken on an entirely new context to all those who thought the gesture was somehow an insult to the flag.
Taking a knee is what is was intended to be and now has become - a symbol of the unequal power and justice dynamic between the aggressors of extrajudicial injustices and those who wrongly suffer and die under its influences.

#35 | Posted by tonyroma

Sounds like you just fulfilled your own melancholic meme prediction.

You played yourself. While playing with yourself. Again.

And just like that, another dream becomes another meme.

#52 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2020-05-28 08:09 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Have I Sharpied in a hurricane over your snowflake?

#51 | Posted by snoofy

You are high af, Snoof.

Good one.

#53 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2020-05-28 08:11 PM | Reply

Revolt is clearly needed when cops are murdering people in broad daylight with cameras pointed at them.
#31 | Posted by JOE

How about a couple years ago when that Minneapolis cop *riding shotgun* killed that woman in her nightgown at night? Now those were riots!

#54 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2020-05-28 08:14 PM | Reply

I hope to goodness that I'm wrong, but it's probably likely that you could find a meme on certain websites showing the photo of Chauvin nonchalantly choking the life out of Floyd with a caption saying:

"Hey Colin, THIS is how you take a knee."

#45 | Posted by tonyroma

Is that really your meme's caption, Tony?

You are a scalawag!

#55 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2020-05-28 08:15 PM | Reply

Dancing on the graves and calling us scalawags is such a perfect look for you.

10 out of 10 libs voted "would get trolled again."

#56 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-28 08:37 PM | Reply

Hear this when you die:

F--- your feelings.

#51 | Posted by snoofy

So, Snoof, I jumped ship once in Oslo and made my way over to Tibet and I get on as a looper on a course over in the Himalayas. You know -- a caddy, a jock. So I tell 'em I'm a pro jock and who do you think they give me? None other than the Dalai Lama himself. 12th son of the Lama. The flowing robes. The grace. The fog. Quite striking.

I'm on the first tee with him and I give him the driver. He hauls off and he whacks one -- big hitter, the Lama. Long! Right into a 10,000 foot crevice at the base of this glacier. You know what the Lama says to me? He says:

Gunga galunga. -- Gunga gunga galunga.

So we finish 18 and he's gonna stiff me. And I say:

"Hey! Lama! Hey! How about a little something, you know, for the effort? You know?"

And he says:

Oh, there won't be any money. But when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness.

And now your kind offer. So I've got that going for me.

#57 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2020-05-28 08:41 PM | Reply

#46 Do you think "Yeah. No." is a legitimate rebuttal?

#58 | Posted by JOE at 2020-05-28 08:44 PM | Reply

#54 Whites aren't systematically oppressed. While that shooting was horrifying, there are obvious reasons why whites didn't bother rioting afterwards.

Well, obvious to anyone with an IQ over 80. Which excludes you.

#59 | Posted by JOE at 2020-05-28 08:46 PM | Reply

"Revolt is clearly needed"

Hello Russian.

#60 | Posted by Tor at 2020-05-28 08:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Plus Joe, it was a black cop who was immediately arrested, tried, and convicted. So there goes that riot motivation.

#61 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2020-05-28 08:51 PM | Reply

#60 Acknowledging the motive for unrest in the black community makes me a Russian?

You racists sure are desperate. Just stay out if you have nothing of value to say.

#62 | Posted by JOE at 2020-05-28 08:52 PM | Reply

#51

#50 is right, snoofy. That was a bald faced lie and you know it. F--- your pathetic rationalizations.

#63 | Posted by willowby at 2020-05-28 08:53 PM | Reply

"You racists sure are desperate. Just stay out if you have nothing of value to say."

What is the difference between what you're advocating for and what a Russian troll would advocate for?

#64 | Posted by Tor at 2020-05-28 09:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#64 Well i'm advocating for systemic change that starts with an arrest and murder charge against that POS cop today. If riots put political pressure on local officials who otherwise might not do that, then they are a good thing. A Russian would want the cop not to be charged so that the unrest got even worse.

#65 | Posted by JOE at 2020-05-28 09:09 PM | Reply

#46 Do you think "Yeah. No." is a legitimate rebuttal?
#58 | Posted by JOE

No, not really at first, but now that I see you feel rebutted, yeah.

#66 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2020-05-28 09:10 PM | Reply

Pillowbitey is right though, Trump really is on Floyd's side. Here are his heartfelt words from earlier today:

"I feel very, very badly. That's a very shocking sight. That was a very, very bad thing that I saw. I saw it last night and I didn't like it...what I saw was not good. Very bad."

No, I didn't just make that up.

#67 | Posted by JOE at 2020-05-28 09:11 PM | Reply

you feel rebutted

No i don't.

#68 | Posted by JOE at 2020-05-28 09:12 PM | Reply

Joe --

Do not deny that you feel rebutted. You were trying to co-opt Dr. King's words to make these pathetic riots seem noble.
You know that is not correct.

You have been rebutted fair and square.

Fondly,

'Notch

#69 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2020-05-28 09:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Now back off or I shall rebut you further and I shan't be so pithy.

#70 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2020-05-28 09:14 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Stop lying Joe you called for mass murder and everyone knows it.

#71 | Posted by Tor at 2020-05-28 09:21 PM | Reply

#69 I wasn't the one who posted Dr. King's words so take your BS elsewhere.

#71 I didn't realize you were a lying troll. Where did i call for mass murder?

#72 | Posted by JOE at 2020-05-28 09:23 PM | Reply

Good.

#73 | Posted by fresno500 at 2020-05-28 09:27 PM | Reply

Revolts result in massive fatalities Joe.

This is not an obscure fact so don't play ignorant.

#74 | Posted by Tor at 2020-05-28 09:28 PM | Reply

#69 I wasn't the one who posted Dr. King's words so take your BS elsewhere.

#72 | Posted by JOE

You cried like a baby when I so effectively rebutted associating Dr. King's words with these pathetic riots.

Piss off. Or I shall rebut you with vigor.

#75 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2020-05-28 09:37 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Or I shall rebut you with vigor.
#75 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

Key board warrior been pumping iron, feelin' confident.

#76 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-05-28 09:41 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Plus Joe, it was a black cop who was immediately arrested, tried, and convicted. So there goes that riot motivation."

There is no legitimate riot motivation in either case. Riots and looting just help crooked cops in maintaining the status quo. Both cases warrant protests, but unfortunately very few people only care about protesting police brutality in general, and the media only really focus on it when blacks are involved because that gets more clicks.

#77 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-28 09:45 PM | Reply

Key board warrior been pumping iron, feelin' confident.

#76 | Posted by rstybeach11

You want some of this, 11?

*blorp*

Try to catch that before it hits your face.

#78 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2020-05-28 09:47 PM | Reply

How about a couple years ago when that Minneapolis cop *riding shotgun* killed that woman in her nightgown at night? Now those were riots!
#54 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

Poor comparison.

Simple enough.

#79 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-05-28 09:51 PM | Reply

Try to catch that before it hits your face.
#78 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

Do you even lift, bro?

#80 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-05-28 09:52 PM | Reply

Poor comparison.
Simple enough.

#79 | Posted by rstybeach11

Really? She was shot in cold blood. No arrest underway, no crime committed. Just shot. Is it a poor comparison because we didn't get video? Or are you stuck on racial lines?

#81 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2020-05-28 09:57 PM | Reply

Do you even lift, bro?
#80 | Posted by rstybeach11

I can lift the likes of you with my ------- tied behind my back.

#82 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2020-05-28 09:58 PM | Reply

Is it a poor comparison because...
#81 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

No, it's a poor comparison because it was a white person shot by a black cop.

#83 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2020-05-28 10:04 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Riots and looting...
#77 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

Once again, putting the protesters in cahoots with the looters.
Once you've lived your life as a black person in America, you can decide when rioting is valid or not.

#84 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2020-05-28 10:06 PM | Reply

How about a couple years ago when that Minneapolis cop *riding shotgun* killed that woman in her nightgown at night? Now those were riots!
#54 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

Poor comparison.
Simple enough.
#79 | Posted by rstybeach11

Was it a poor comparison because there were no riots? No looting?

#85 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2020-05-28 10:07 PM | Reply

Once again, putting the protesters in cahoots with the looters.
Once you've lived your life as a black person in America, you can decide when rioting is valid or not.
#84 | Posted by TFDNihilist

OK, Biden.

#86 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2020-05-28 10:07 PM | Reply

Revolts result in massive fatalities Joe.
This is not an obscure fact so don't play ignorant.

Revolt is a synonym for riot. I wasn't calling for anything beyond what is already happening. If you were rounding up the current protesting and small scale rioting to something else, that's your own fantasy to play with.

You cried like a baby when I so effectively rebutted

No, I questioned whether you truly believed "yeah no" be an effective rebuttal and nothing more.

#87 | Posted by JOE at 2020-05-28 10:17 PM | Reply

Was it a poor comparison because...
#85 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

I know you're being purposly obtuse, because that's what American Conservatives do when confronted by the actual truth, but let me spell it out.

Not-poor white person shot by black cop---rarely ever happens
Black person killed by white cop---happens frequently

Cop immediately arrested, tried, and jailed---rarely ever happens
Cop doesn't get arrested, lies, hides evidence, gets off scot-free---happens frequently

#88 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2020-05-28 10:18 PM | Reply

George Floyd, fired officer overlapped security shifts at south Minneapolis club

A former club owner in south Minneapolis says the now-fired police officer and the black man who died in his custody this week both worked security for her club up to the end of last year.

kstp.com

#89 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-05-28 10:20 PM | Reply

Rioting is catching the cops and the world's attention. If they stayed calm nothing would change and the local DA would find some excuse to let those PIGS walk. They might even get rehired after an "investigation";now that will never happen. Chauvin knows THEY know where he lives. He won't sleep well again for a long time. All this is a result of massive violent disobedience. So yes,in the balance,I think they are making their point.

Whites are used to the law working For them most of the time. Not poor blacks. They've been getting the shaft for centuries. Their patience is gone. The riots while regrettable,are a way to force real change. It may fail. Just passively waiting for a rigged system to bring "justice" would almost certainly fail.

Whole I abhor needless violence and criminality I understand why this is happening. They want change, NOW!

#90 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-05-28 10:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

These are not rioters or looters. They are patriots fighting against murderous tyranny. May God protect and support them.

#91 | Posted by bored at 2020-05-28 10:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

No, I questioned whether you truly believed "yeah no" be an effective rebuttal and nothing more.
#87 | Posted by JOE

You continue to cry.

There is no question now that I rebutted you effectively with 2 words, comprised of 6 characters in total.

#92 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2020-05-28 10:36 PM | Reply

"Not-poor person shot by cop---rarely ever happens
Poor person killed by cop---happens frequently"

FTFY

#93 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-28 10:37 PM | Reply

I can lift the likes of you with my ------- tied behind my back.
#82 | Posted by DixvilleNotch a

Anything you say, Buffalo Bob.

#94 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-05-28 10:37 PM | Reply

You continue to cry.

You continue to project.

#95 | Posted by JOE at 2020-05-28 10:38 PM | Reply

#50 is right, snoofy. That was a bald faced lie and you know it.
#63 | POSTED BY WILLOWBY

Not a chance.

Daydreaming about a circus of a trial that may never even happen is not lying.

But even if I'm lying, what changes? Fox News fought for our right to lie. Wasn't that a win?

#96 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-28 10:40 PM | Reply

#85 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

That was the result (and lack there of) of said incidents. I said the incidents are poor comparisons when seeking similarities.

#88 | POSTED BY TFDNIHILIST

I was just gonna say it's a poor comparison because the woman killed was originally from Australia. But your post is far more convincing.

#97 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-05-28 10:42 PM | Reply

I can lift the likes of you with my ------- tied behind my back.
#82 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

You know, I always got the sadomasochist vibe from you.

Glad I'm still a good judge of character.

#98 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-05-28 10:46 PM | Reply

...your post is far more convincing.
#97 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11

Thanks, too bad it won't do any good.

#99 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2020-05-28 10:56 PM | Reply

Glad I'm still a good judge of character.

#98 | Posted by rstybeach11

Not so fast, 11. Identifying an s/m vibe is only the beginning.

#100 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2020-05-28 11:08 PM | Reply

I'm concerned by the lack of social distancing.

#101 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2020-05-28 11:08 PM | Reply

What I'm saying is, let's just keep it at the gym for now. We'll see where it leads from there.

I truly am a good judge of character myself. You have a lot of red flags. But you use some purty words sometimes.

So, just try to be happy holding my ball bag while we lift together for now. That works for me.

*blorp*

#102 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2020-05-28 11:11 PM | Reply

I don't see where peaceful protests are going to accomplish anything. Cities and Police Departments have had decades to fix this. They've failed.

#103 | Posted by YAV at 2020-05-28 11:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Uh oh. Trumpy's America is burning.

Pandemic pandemonium.

#104 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-05-28 11:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

They just burnt down the police station.

#105 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-05-28 11:25 PM | Reply

So much winning!

#106 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-28 11:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I don't see where peaceful protests are going to accomplish anything. Cities and Police Departments have had decades to fix this. They've failed."

Burning down the city you live in doesn't make much sense though, does it?

#107 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-05-28 11:31 PM | Reply

He-he-he...

reBUTTed.

#108 | Posted by madscientist at 2020-05-28 11:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Burning down the city you live in doesn't make much sense though, does it?"

What's a more sensible remedy for the city you live in, that still hasn't charged four police officers with anything, let alone murder?
Bake it a cake?

#109 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-28 11:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It should be republicans protesting the cops. If they actually cared about stopping tyrannical government they'd be right there. They don't care if government kills black people. Only if it tells them to wear a mask.

#110 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-05-28 11:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

There are NO excuses formlooting and arson. NONE!
I hope any who participate are prosecuted to the full extent of the law!

#111 | Posted by e1g1 at 2020-05-28 11:36 PM | Reply

They seem very happy to that they burnt down the police station. Maybe that will satisfy them for now. It's sorta symbolic in that they think the whole system needs to be destroyed and rebuilt from scratch.

They are just fed up. And on top of that they are bored. Unemployed and broke. There is a feeling that it doesn't matter if the city burns because nothing matters because their lives don't matter.

#112 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-05-28 11:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The cops haven't been arrested yet. Doesn't mean they won't be. Peaceful protest everyday until they are. You don't need to burn down your own city, destroying businesses owned by your fellow citizens.

#113 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-05-28 11:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The cops haven't been arrested yet. Doesn't mean they won't be. Peaceful protest everyday until they are"

Sorry, but it's incompletely unreasonable to expect free men to merely merely protest quietly while state sanctioned murderers run free.
A society like that deserves to be burned to the ground.
You wouldn't want to live in one.
It's the antithesis of freedom.

#114 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-28 11:41 PM | Reply

Burn it all down then. Burn down the whole friggin' country. What have we got to lose?

#115 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-05-28 11:42 PM | Reply

"You don't need to burn down your own city, destroying businesses owned by your fellow citizens."

You don't?

Tell me if you agree with this statement:
"A riot is the language of the unheard." -- MLK

#116 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-28 11:43 PM | Reply

'Notch, surely even you wouldn't accept these cops' conduct.

#117 | Posted by madscientist at 2020-05-28 11:43 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I agree with Snoofy on that.
What's the point?

Arrest the officers now. That's the best chance of stopping this. Then work for a REAL solution. Not the BS we've been fed for decades.

No justice, no peace.
Know justice, know peace.

Simple.

#118 | Posted by YAV at 2020-05-28 11:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Sorry, but it's incompletely unreasonable to expect free men to merely merely protest quietly while state sanctioned murderers run free.
A society like that deserves to be burned to the ground.
You wouldn't want to live in one.
It's the antithesis of freedom."

We need a new MLK. An American Gandhi. Someone with the moral force to harness the rage and to instill hope and a sustaining purpose.

#119 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-05-28 11:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Gal_Tuesday, tell me if you agree with this statement:

You want this to end?
Arrest the former officers.
#30 | POSTED BY YAV

#120 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-28 11:47 PM | Reply

"You don't need to burn down your own city, destroying businesses owned by your fellow citizens."
You don't?

Well, better they burn down their own neighborhood instead of rioting in a rich enclave, I suppose.

#121 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-05-28 11:47 PM | Reply

We need a new MLK. An American Gandhi. Someone with the moral force to harness the rage and to instill hope and a sustaining purpose.
#119 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

You're seem to really have your heart set on wishing in one hand.
I kinda think you're dodging the issue.
It's real simple:
A murderer -- four, really -- runs free.

You shouldn't need MLK to figure out what to do about that, Gal_Tuesday.

#122 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-28 11:50 PM | Reply

#120 Yes, but I also want them to be arrested and then convicted, not like the officers who killed Eric Garner.

#123 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-05-28 11:50 PM | Reply

Not so fast, 11. Identifying an s/m vibe is only the beginning.
#100 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

But(t plug), I'm on the right track, no?

#124 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-05-28 11:51 PM | Reply

What have we got to lose?
#115 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

Trump.

#125 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-05-28 11:53 PM | Reply

#120 Yes, but I also want them to be arrested and then convicted, not like the officers who killed Eric Garner.
#123 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

What's that got to do with anything?
Is that some kind of reason to not arrest them immediately?
If not, then what's that got to do with anything?

#126 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-28 11:55 PM | Reply

Oh, I get it, Gal_Tuesday.
You're filling up your hand with wishes.

You do know that saying, right?

#127 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-28 11:56 PM | Reply

Arrested and convicted? LoL

Trump will get them off and bring them to be applauded at the White House and give them medals. Then they'll accompany him on the rally circuit.

There's nothing left but to burn it all down.

#128 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-05-28 11:57 PM | Reply

Is that some kind of reason to not arrest them immediately?
If not, then what's that got to do with anything?

#126 | Posted by snoofy

Arresting them now would be "caving to the libs". That's worse than letting a city burn down. Better to murder some protesters than to provide any justice for your "enemies"

#129 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-05-28 11:58 PM | Reply

"You're seem to really have your heart set on wishing in one hand.
I kinda think you're dodging the issue.
It's real simple:
A murderer -- four, really -- runs free.
You shouldn't need MLK to figure out what to do about that, Gal_Tuesday."

The choice isn't binary--between burning down your city or doing nothing. I never said the officers shouldn't be arrested. That's something you've put on me, because I questioned the usefulness of burning down your own city. I also never said I didn't understand why they are doing it.

#130 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-05-28 11:59 PM | Reply

"What's that got to do with anything?
Is that some kind of reason to not arrest them immediately?
If not, then what's that got to do with anything?"

It's what the Minneapolis DA said today:

DA investigating George Floyd's death says he won't rush to judgment, likens situation to Freddie Gray case in Baltimore

"I will just point to you the comparison to what happened in Baltimore and the Gray case," Hennepin County District Attorney Mike Freeman said Thursday. "There was a rush to charge, it was a rush to justice, and all of those people were found not guilty. I will not rush to justice. I'm going to do this right. And those folks who know me in the African [American] community know I will do my very level best. But I will not rush justice, because justice cannot be rushed."

www.baltimoresun.com

DA said Freddie Gray, but I thought of Eric Garner.

#131 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-05-29 12:02 AM | Reply

"I never said the officers shouldn't be arrested."

You never said a lot of things.
Don't let me put silence in your mouth.

Point is, what you should be saying is, the best thing for the city is to arrest the officers.

#132 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-29 12:03 AM | Reply

"You're filling up your hand with wishes.
You do know that saying, right?"

No.

#133 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-05-29 12:03 AM | Reply

"There was a rush to charge, it was a rush to justice, and all of those people were found not guilty."

Well then quit bitching over the "acceptable losses" of doing it your way!

#134 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-29 12:04 AM | Reply

The choice isn't binary--between burning down your city or doing nothing.

That's exactly the logical fallacy (false choice) you offered, Gal. I was surprised to see you play that game.

#135 | Posted by YAV at 2020-05-29 12:05 AM | Reply

They need to bring back the fire hoses.

#136 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-29 12:05 AM | Reply

It should be republicans protesting the cops. If they actually cared about stopping tyrannical government they'd be right there. They don't care if government kills black people. Only if it tells them to wear a mask.
#110 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Ding, ding, ding, hot dog, we have a weiner!
I can't think of a better symbol of a tyrannical government than a police officer (or jackbooted thug, if you will) with his knee on the neck of a free citizen.
Yet, as always, the Righwing only supports the parts of government that are charged with killing folks.

#137 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2020-05-29 12:06 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Point is, what you should be saying is, the best thing for the city is to arrest the officers."

I thought that was obvious. If not today, then tomorrow, or next week at the latest.

#138 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-05-29 12:06 AM | Reply

"I thought that was obvious."

I thought it was obvious the riots will continue until the murderers are arrested.

#139 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-29 12:07 AM | Reply

"That's exactly the logical fallacy (false choice) you offered, Gal. I was surprised to see you play that game."

Talk to my, Yav. I'm honestly not trying to play any game. Why are you casting me in as an enemy of the people protesting just because I wish they weren't burning down their city?

#141 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-05-29 12:08 AM | Reply

"I can't think of a better symbol of a tyrannical government than a police officer (or jackbooted thug, if you will) with his knee on the neck of a free citizen."

^
That's what the Republicans like about it.

#142 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-29 12:08 AM | Reply

#140 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

My first comment in this thread mentions my friends scooter shop that got vandalized, so you are not alone.
You want peace? Demand justice.

#143 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2020-05-29 12:10 AM | Reply

My sister used to live in Eden Prairie. I went to visit her once at Christmas, and we went in to Minneapolis to see the lights. I just hate to see any American city destroyed. I don't understand why that makes me into someone who needs to be schooled and chastised.

#144 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-05-29 12:10 AM | Reply

I have friends and family who live in Minneapolis. ---- all you ------- ------- excusing the violent behavior. Seriously, kill yourselves.
#140 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

I have to admit,
I was skeptical at first,
But Bernie Bro Fake Liberal Triggered Tears are actually quite delicious.

Good luck in rehab!

#145 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-29 12:10 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#141 -
Good night.

#146 | Posted by YAV at 2020-05-29 12:14 AM | Reply

You want justice? Demand peace.

#147 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-29 12:14 AM | Reply

I have friends and family who live in Minneapolis. ---- all you ------- ------- excusing the violent behavior. Seriously, kill yourselves.
#140 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

Now you have some modicum of sense pertaining to the fear the average person of color feels on a daily basis.

Our country is not colorblind, no matter how badly we want to delude ourselves otherwise. Institutional racism and violent reactions to it are seemingly inevitable in the United States. At least, only until we decide it's not.

#148 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-05-29 12:15 AM | Reply

Reverend Al Sharpton spoke Thursday about the death of George Floyd, saying, "We must act in a way to get justice, and to get fairness."

"We're not asking for a favor," he said. "We're asking for what is right."

He said there will be a call on Saturday for people nationwide to be part of the "We can't breathe" movement.

www.cbsnews.com

#149 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-05-29 12:15 AM | Reply

"I don't understand why that makes me into someone who needs to be schooled and chastised."

It's because you said
Burning down the city you live in doesn't make much sense though, does it?
#107 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

Does not burning down the city you live in when it lets murdering cops roam free make more sense to you?
Okay, let's say it does. Are you allowing for a wide variety of opinion on this, or is this thing that doesn't make sense to you, is it also wrong?
Because if it is wrong, and yet you can agree a riot is the language of the unheard, then what you're saying is, "La La La I can't hear you."

I am done with the schooling and chastising. Have a nice evening, and believe it or not, we STILL have to wash our hands. Good luck!

#150 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-29 12:16 AM | Reply

You want justice? Demand peace.
#147 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

Minneapolis had peace 3 days ago, but yet no justice.

#151 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2020-05-29 12:17 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

we STILL have to wash our hands. Good luck!
#150 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Especially after DIX-NOTCH is done.

#152 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-05-29 12:20 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If you want make sure these pigs to go the jail, then you have to at least give the prosecutors enough time to get it right. Burning the city down is not going to make them go any faster, and if it does it could cause them to rush it and fail to get a conviction. Isn't that the end goal here? Apparently not for everyone. Some people have clearly lost sight of the end goal here, and many of the rioters and looters never cared about that in the first place.

#153 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-29 12:25 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I don't want to condone violence, but it was oddly satisfying to watch LEO fleeing their 3rd Pricinct.

#154 | Posted by horstngraben at 2020-05-29 12:27 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"#141 -
Good night."

Maybe I should have said upfront that I think the officers need to be arrested before I commented on the fires, which came across as criticism of the protesters. Maybe I should have said upfront that I understand the outrage (and share it) and that the needless death of yet another black man at the hands rogue cops of sickens me. Also that I do understand that desperate times require desperate measures.

I still wish they weren't burning down their city.

Good night, Yav.

#155 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-05-29 12:28 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I am done with the schooling and chastising."

That's good because you never do it in the first place.

#156 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-05-29 12:30 AM | Reply

In this day and age, you must say what you think plainly because people speak in codes.

#157 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-05-29 12:33 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

He said there will be a call on Saturday for people nationwide to be part of the "We can't breathe" movement.

Another reason I am reminded of Eric Garner. That, and the fact that both men were arrested for minor offenses.

#158 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-05-29 12:33 AM | Reply

I have friends and family who live in Minneapolis. ---- all you ------- ------- excusing the violent behavior. Seriously, kill yourselves.

#140 | POSTED BY SENTINEL AT 2020-05-29 12:08 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

Meh. Then call the cops and tell them not to give people reason to riot. Killing us really is a stupid response.

#159 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-05-29 12:34 AM | Reply

"In this day and age, you must say what you think plainly because people speak in codes."

And people tend to think the worst of each other. I guess "I wish they wouldn't burn down their city" is seen as rightwing code for blaming the protesters.

#160 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-05-29 12:36 AM | Reply

"I don't want to condone violence, but it was oddly satisfying to watch LEO fleeing their 3rd Pricinct."

I to am not a fan of violence but at least in the case of the burning police station target makes some sense and they're not looting.....are they?

#162 | Posted by Tor at 2020-05-29 12:37 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I am done with the schooling and chastising."
That's good because you never do it in the first place.
#156 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

Now that is a very kind thing to say!
Strikes me as a little bit wrong; I suspect I'm something of a blowhard at times. But certainly kind nonetheless.
Thank you.

#163 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-29 12:39 AM | Reply

#161 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

Would expect nothing less.

Might want to include calcium channel blockers and beta-blockers, just for good measure.

#164 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-05-29 12:42 AM | Reply

Rev. Jesse Jackson calls for nationwide protests after George Floyd's death

Protesters nationwide should call for murder charges in the death of George Floyd, who died Monday while being arrested by Minneapolis police, Rev. Jesse Jackson said Thursday.

"The protests must continue, but around the country ... protest until something happens," Jackson said. He said protests should respect social distancing protocols to prevent the spread of COVID-19.

www.indystar.com

#165 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-05-29 12:43 AM | Reply

#163 You're a total blowhard intolerant sanctimonious ass most of the time. Rarely, you are insightful and interesting.

#166 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-05-29 12:43 AM | Reply

I heard on NBC that they looted the same Target at least 3 or 4 times today, and may have set it on fire by now. They also burned down a liquor store.

#167 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-29 12:46 AM | Reply

And people tend to think the worst of each other. I guess "I wish they wouldn't burn down their city" is seen as rightwing code for blaming the protesters.

#160 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY AT 2020-05-29 12:36 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

Gal. Think about it. The Cops kill us to keep up the shine on their pretty city. What's the best response? Remove the thing that is getting us killed.

It only makes sense.

#168 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-05-29 12:46 AM | Reply

#167. It's a good start.

#169 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-05-29 12:47 AM | Reply

Seeing his city on fire would 'devastate' George Floyd, girlfriend says

Courteney Ross joins George Floyd's family in calling for calm protests.

"I am heartbroken" by all the unrest that erupted Wednesday night and continued into Thursday, said Floyd's girlfriend, Courteney Ross, as she took in the mayhem overwhelming her city for many blocks along or near Lake Street and stretching west to the Uptown business district.

"Waking up this morning to see Minneapolis on fire would be something that would devastate Floyd," said Ross, his girlfriend for the past three years. "He loved the city. He came here [from Houston] and stayed here for the people and the opportunities. ... Floyd was a gentle giant. He was about love and about peace."

Ross said she wants everyone who took to the streets "to know that I understand their frustration. ... I want people to protest in a peaceful way."

www.startribune.com

#170 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-05-29 12:47 AM | Reply

#169, I'm sad that you hate the world so much you'd rather see it burn. You seem to have the same mentality right now as many Trumpers who want to burn the system completely down in the naive belief that it would be better if we started over from scratch.

#171 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-29 12:51 AM | Reply

People don't believe in the process. Forget about it.

#172 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-05-29 12:51 AM | Reply

#171. Putting words in my mouth sure means you're not thinking this through.

#173 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-05-29 12:51 AM | Reply

#173, what words did I put in your mouth?

#174 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-29 12:57 AM | Reply

Good night then.

#175 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-05-29 01:00 AM | Reply

'Notch, surely even you wouldn't accept these cops' conduct.
#117 | Posted by madscientist

Mad, my brother from another mother, you know I'm the most even tempered fella here. I just go where the evidence goes. You know I'm color blind and just like to be right. Where lines are blurred I call 'em blurred. I'll ignore your offensive snark as the price one must pay to attempt civil discourse on this site.

All evidence I've seen to date in this case says cop(s) screwed up royally going for the unconscious variation of their barbaric knee-to-neck restraint. Heinous conduct, especially at the end of this man's life.

One piece of evidence I haven't seen or read is why the cops even had him on the ground at all. There is a discontinuity in the video evidence. All the video I've seen before he was subdued on the ground didn't even appear to justify a struggle.

How this arrest went from routine (walking) to grotesque (on the ground) escapes me. Do you know why he was taken to the ground?

No matter what he might have done to get taken to the ground, the extended knee-to-neck hold was heinous, as was the lack of medical care after he was rendered unconscious.

The rioting and looting at major retailers doesn't hold any appeal. I doubt attacking the police station is going to make the neighborhood more business and family friendly as well.

We'll see, won't we?

#176 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2020-05-29 01:01 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump

I can't stand back & watch this happen to a great American City, Minneapolis. A total lack of leadership. Either the very weak Radical Left Mayor, Jacob Frey, get his act together and bring the City under control, or I will send in the National Guard & get the job done right.....

The president if a --------

#177 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-05-29 01:01 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

if=is

#178 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-05-29 01:02 AM | Reply

Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump

....These THUGS are dishonoring the memory of George Floyd, and I won't let that happen. Just spoke to Governor Tim Walz and told him that the Military is with him all the way. Any difficulty and we will assume control but, when the looting starts, the shooting starts. Thank you!

The president is a serious --------

#179 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-05-29 01:03 AM | Reply

"The president is a serious --------"

Agreed.

#180 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-29 01:07 AM | Reply

Remember when President Stupid said

Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump

Apr 17

LIBERATE MINNESOTA!

#181 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-05-29 01:08 AM | Reply

I have wondered who would be the John Brown of my generation.

#182 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-05-29 01:08 AM | Reply

Swilson

@2FistsOfRage

7m

Replying to
@realDonaldTrump
Officer Jacob Pederson. Identified by his wife in a video of him being confronted breaking windows at the Autozone just before the fire broke out and the riots started. These are her gloves and gas mask hes wearing. Also on video looting.

#183 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-05-29 01:10 AM | Reply

Keeping things in perspective.

President Zero is trying to start a civil war in the middle of a pandemic and a depression.

#184 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-05-29 01:12 AM | Reply

#163 You're a total blowhard intolerant sanctimonious ass most of the time. Rarely, you are insightful and interesting.
#166 | POSTED BYEFFETEPOSER

You have deep seated emotional problems, trust issues, and devastatingly lowered expectations of both your fellow man and your government.

All I do is let you stew in your own juices.

Sometimes, it simmers up nicely.

This isn't one of those times for you.

#185 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-29 01:13 AM | Reply

"The rioting and looting at major retailers doesn't hold any appeal."

Loot local!

#186 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-29 01:13 AM | Reply

Cops are out of control everywhere. This isn't going to end the way Trump would like. He thinks it's going to a nice kkk kill fest because someone took a toaster from target.

Here's another anger inducing incident:
Protesters gathered in front of a New York Police Department precinct on Sunday demanding that charges be dropped against an African American journalist who was arrested for writing "Trump=Plague" in pink chalk on the sidewalk. The 67-year-old woman, Jill Nelson, was arrested and now faces a court appearance in August. Nelson is also asking for a formal apology after she was aggressively searched and held for five hours.

#187 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-05-29 01:15 AM | Reply

"Riots are the voice of the unheard" Dr Martin Luther King Jr.

"When the looting starts, the shooting starts." Donald J Trump

#188 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-05-29 01:16 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The looting, apparently was started by cops. Imagine that.

#189 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-05-29 01:17 AM | Reply

No matter what he might have done to get taken to the ground, the extended knee-to-neck hold was heinous, as was the lack of medical care after he was rendered unconscious.
The rioting and looting at major retailers doesn't hold any appeal. I doubt attacking the police station is going to make the neighborhood more business and family friendly as well.
We'll see, won't we?

#176 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

NW.

#190 | Posted by jpw at 2020-05-29 01:17 AM | Reply

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

I can't stand back & watch this happen to a great American City, Minneapolis. A total lack of leadership. Either the very weak Radical Left Mayor, Jacob Frey, get his act together and bring the City under control, or I will send in the National Guard & get the job done right.....

....These THUGS are dishonoring the memory of George Floyd, and I won't let that happen. Just spoke to Governor Tim Walz and told him that the Military is with him all the way. Any difficulty and we will assume control but, when the looting starts, the shooting starts. Thank you!
12:53 AM May 29, 2020

#191 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-05-29 01:19 AM | Reply

More and more buildings being set on fire. Arby's is totally engulfed in flames.

#192 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-29 01:23 AM | Reply

Donnie will finally get his war.

#193 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-05-29 01:23 AM | Reply

They're moving on to other precincts now.

#194 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-29 01:26 AM | Reply

Hearing reports that outside agitators of some kind may be responsible for the fires. We've been assuming they were set by people protesting Floyd's death, but what if opportunists of some type are responsible? Probably no way to find out.

#195 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-05-29 01:28 AM | Reply

I'm watching a live stream on Facebook right now. Looks like a professional saboteur in a gas mask. Definitely a white dude.

#196 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-29 01:30 AM | Reply

There are reports that the looting and fires were started by cops.

#197 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-05-29 01:30 AM | Reply

www.facebook.com

#198 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-29 01:31 AM | Reply

The white dude is a cop, he was outed by his wife apparently

#199 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-05-29 01:31 AM | Reply

"There are reports that the looting and fires were started by cops."

No.

#200 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-29 01:31 AM | Reply

The looting, apparently was started by cops. Imagine that.
#189 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS

Never let a crisis go to waste.
ESPECIALLY a crisis you manufactured!

Who knew Reichstag is German for "Minneapolis?"

#201 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-29 01:32 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I heard anarchists but would believe neo-Nazi, KKK types could be involved. Conveniently plays right into Trump's hands.

#202 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-05-29 01:33 AM | Reply

and told him that the Military is with him all the way. Any difficulty and we will assume control but, when the looting starts, the shooting starts. Thank you!

I wish the "c-c-conservatives" were here to explain to us how this isn't a dictator like comment.

#203 | Posted by jpw at 2020-05-29 01:34 AM | Reply

"There are reports that the looting and fires were started by cops."
No.
#200 | Posted by sentinel a

It was a twitter post, but someone named that white guy in the gas mask as a St Paul police officer.

#205 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-05-29 01:35 AM | Reply

Probably no way to find out.

#195 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

Are the precincts empty?

If so, then it's a good bet this is a set up.

#206 | Posted by jpw at 2020-05-29 01:35 AM | Reply

dix, you realize President Zero reauthorized the Patriot Act, don't you?

#207 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-05-29 01:36 AM | Reply

The city can put an end to protests in a heartbeat: Charge the cops with murder and perp walk them on national TV. After all, if a civilian had done what the cops did - with no justification - a civilian would already be meeting with an attorney in a room of cinder blocks and stainless steel furniture.

There is enough video to merit murder charges. Local businesses have video too I saw. He didn't struggle, talk trash or do anything but cooperate fully. When he was arrested, they calmly walked him handcuffed over to the sidewalk, where he sat on command. He wasn't belligerent at any point between his arrest or then.

I don't condone setting fires, but I understand why the anger is especially deep. What we all saw was the unjustified, slow motion murder of a man who begged to survive while bystanders plead with sadistic cops to let up and stop crushing him with their knees. 3 sadistic cops - who could have just put him in the car - vs one man who was handcuffed behind his back.

#208 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-05-29 01:37 AM | Reply

"I don't see Trumpers burning down buildings, looting and rioting."

No, just murdering a man.
Apparently that's not as bad.

#209 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-29 01:42 AM | Reply

"The FBI, CIA, DOJ and intelligence agencies in general are loaded with bad actors who use illegal surveillance to control lawmakers from both parties."

And the weather?
Do they control the weather too?

#210 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-29 01:42 AM | Reply

Reforming the system to protect the constitutional freedoms of American citizens is the opposite of burning the system down, unless you think the DNC and RNC and their long term, pernicious illegal surveillance are the system that should be protected.

#204 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

It's so cute that you think a man like Trump would have that intention.

#211 | Posted by jpw at 2020-05-29 01:43 AM | Reply

This could be over in five minutes if the politicians made the people feel safe again. Trump is just making it worse.

#212 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-05-29 01:44 AM | Reply

#208 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY

Do you have a link for the videos?

#213 | Posted by jpw at 2020-05-29 01:44 AM | Reply

twitter.com

Video of a white guy breaking the windows of the auto zone place where the looting started.

#215 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-05-29 01:47 AM | Reply

"The FBI, CIA, DOJ and intelligence agencies in general are loaded with bad actors who use illegal surveillance to control lawmakers from both parties."

And the weather?
Do they control the weather too?
#210 | Posted by snoofy

You don't get out much. Read more.

#216 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2020-05-29 01:48 AM | Reply

Dix. You're just trolling. Stop. People are trying to have a discussion.

#217 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-05-29 01:49 AM | Reply

"I don't see Trumpers burning down buildings, looting and rioting."
No, just murdering a man.
Apparently that's not as bad.
#209 | Posted by snoofy

I haven't seen anyone promote murdering the man. I'm sure you're trying to cherry pick right now, but you won't find much.

#218 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2020-05-29 01:51 AM | Reply

Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump
May 1
The Governor of Michigan should give a little, and put out the fire. These are very good people, but they are angry. They want their lives back again, safely! See them, talk to them, make a deal.

#219 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-05-29 01:55 AM | Reply

dix, you realize President Zero reauthorized the Patriot Act, don't you?

#207 | Posted by truthhurts

Of course. You love the Patriot Act now, do you?

Americans simply aren't supposed to be spied on without a warrant.

The DOJ's IG report on the FISA courts found that not a single warrant application brought before the secret courts was done following the protections American citizens are due.

Say no to secret courts. Bad cops, bad judges, bad lawmakers. ---- em all.

#220 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2020-05-29 01:55 AM | Reply

Dix. You're just trolling. Stop. People are trying to have a discussion.
#217 | Posted by BruceBanner

Do try to be civil, chap.

I'm discussing the sentiments Sentinel was voicing regarding the relative efficacy of the rioting and looting versus working within the legal system.

This particular case would be a greater lever for lasting change if it were not associated with looting and burning Arby's.

#221 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2020-05-29 02:05 AM | Reply

Thank you for your reply, 'Notch; and please overlook my naughty use of the words "even you." :>P

#222 | Posted by madscientist at 2020-05-29 02:06 AM | Reply

And for calling you Shirley.

#223 | Posted by madscientist at 2020-05-29 02:07 AM | Reply

State Patrol is protecting Nicollet Mall. Protesters there are much calmer and aren't trying to trash the place.

#224 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-29 02:12 AM | Reply

Anyone notice that it's property damage and looting that brings out the dictator in Trump.
He's ready to send military personnel against civilians. In defiance of the posse comitatus act. He's worse than the people looting,that's for sure.

Money damages, no matter how high,are not worth killing people over. This ------ is getting off the hook.

If white cops are instigating this the whole thing is becoming an excuse for a bloodbath.

Trump will just looove it.

#225 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-05-29 02:13 AM | Reply

I have yet to comment on the murder of George Floyd. I just am unable to articulate the horror of the crime and the indifference and arrogance of the officers who committed it. I do not believe in the death penalty. But these officers need to be prosecuted such that they spend every last day of their lives in a prison. It is hard not to feel hatred towards them.

#226 | Posted by moder8 at 2020-05-29 02:15 AM | Reply

President Zero is trying to start a civil war in the middle of a pandemic and a depression.

#184 | Posted by truthhurts

Like someone above remarked, this is Trump's 'shiny object'

A way to deflect from the 23,000 new COVID cases and 1200+ deaths .. just yesterday.

#227 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-05-29 02:26 AM | Reply

"Mississippi" with snow.

#228 | Posted by fresno500 at 2020-05-29 02:31 AM | Reply

Thank you for your reply, 'Notch; and please overlook my naughty use of the words "even you." :>P
#222 | Posted by madscientist

NO. Thank YOU for thanking me.

This site could use a couple dozen gentlemen or gentlewomen cut from your very same cloth. Blessed be the loins that shot forth such fruit as you!

Tell true -- do you think the long arm of today's executive order will reach into the nether regions of RCade's wretched domain? And if so, what will that arm's probe bring forth?

Do you think treating RCade's pale yellow page not as a platform but as a publisher can yield more balanced discourse, such as we saw here more than a decade ago during the Bush years? One can hope so, can't one? Would that it were so! The likes of Snoofy and DBoy were considered such minor minds back then -- common circle jerks fit merely to tissue each other's bums . Now, they are propped up front on the flagship, lobotomized wreck that it is. O, woe that this octave of scheming censorship hath wrought!

You, Shirley, must concur that simply re-opening the DR Archives pages would be quite the 1st Amendment treat. Affirm here and now that you will fight for it with me!

#229 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2020-05-29 02:38 AM | Reply

What difference does it make if their protest is legitimate?
Please explain yourself.
#49 | Posted by snoofy

If their protest is legitimate they are not subject to contact tracing for breaking quarantine?

#230 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2020-05-29 02:49 AM | Reply

Most of these people are being non-violent. Hostile, sure, that's what a protest is. Rioters are few and have their own reasons. Some people riot over a sporting event.

#231 | Posted by horstngraben at 2020-05-29 02:53 AM | Reply

"In this day and age, you must say what you think plainly because people speak in codes."

And people tend to think the worst of each other. I guess "I wish they wouldn't burn down their city" is seen as rightwing code for blaming the protesters.

#160 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday

Heaven forbid someone from the left wing blame the protesters in plain language for burning down their city.

#232 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2020-05-29 02:54 AM | Reply

The cops over the scanner sound so tired.

#233 | Posted by horstngraben at 2020-05-29 02:54 AM | Reply

Many of the protesters and others hanging around with them are actually from out of town.

#234 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-29 03:06 AM | Reply

I have friends and family who live in Minneapolis. ---- all you ------- ------- excusing the violent behavior. Seriously, kill yourselves.
#140 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

I have friends and family there too. And they universally side with the protesters.

I'm sorry your loved ones care more about an AutoZone than a black man getting murdered by the police. Perhaps they should take your advice instead.

#235 | Posted by JOE at 2020-05-29 05:07 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Al Sharpton, Eric Garner's mother visit George Floyd site, call for national We Can't Breathe' movement

His mother, Gwen Carr, recalled the persistence it took to secure the officer's termination while speaking in Minneapolis on Thursday, saying she was told by several people along the way that the time had come to give up.

"I (said) You may not go forward, but I am,' and that is what you must do because this is not going to be an easy fight," she told the crowd.

While Minneapolis has "everyone with you now," she warned that "a lonely road" is ahead.

"Don't let this (just) be another news story. ... We all have to get out and stand together and we don't have to do it violently. We can do it politically," Carr said. "Don't sit around and say, My vote don't count.' We put these politicians in and we can take them out."


www.twincities.com

#236 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-05-29 07:36 AM | Reply

Floyd's family's lawyer Ben Crump had issued a statement Thursday morning urging protesters to act peacefully and to not 'sink to the level of our oppressors'.

He said: 'I spoke with George Floyd's family this morning and they would like to thank all of the protesters for joining them in standing for JUSTICE. They know we're all hurting. They know that any decent human being who watches the video of the police killing their Gentle Giant by having his knee on his neck while he was handcuffed facedown will also feel a shortness of breath like George.

'They told me they want peace in Minneapolis, but they know that Black people want peace in their souls and that until we get #JusticeForFloyd there will be no peace. We also cannot sink to the level of our oppressors and we cannot endanger each other as we respond to the necessary urge to raise our voices in unison and in outrage.


www.dailymail.co.uk

'Looting and violence distract from the strength of our collective voice. To assuage this death and begin the community's healing, city and police leaders need to look at the culture they've created and ask the hard questions.'

#237 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-05-29 07:46 AM | Reply

Also from above link:

"Videos also showed what was reported to be an apartment building entirely engulfed by flames as rioters stood and watched and the fire department was nowhere to be seen. An AutoZone store was also one of those which was set on fire."

#238 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-05-29 07:47 AM | Reply

Twitter responds to a Trump tweet from last night:

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

This Tweet violated the Twitter Rules about glorifying violence. However, Twitter has determined that it may be in the public's interest for the Tweet to remain accessible. Learn more

....These THUGS are dishonoring the memory of George Floyd, and I won't let that happen. Just spoke to Governor Tim Walz and told him that the Military is with him all the way. Any difficulty and we will assume control but, when the looting starts, the shooting starts. Thank you!

twitter.com

#239 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-05-29 07:54 AM | Reply

I don't see Trumpers burning down buildings, looting and rioting. Trump has taken the worst the system can throw at him so far, and seems to have a chance at turning the tables while working within the system.

What kind of fantasy is this?

Trump isn't cleaning up anything. He isn't turning the tables on anybody. He has no master plan. He promotes a resistance campaign against his own government and his own appointees because he panics and doesn't like to defend his performance in office. He attacks his own government whenever anyone in it holds him accountable for anything.

One week he's out there issuing coronavirus shutdown guidelines with Fauci. The next week he's retweeting gomers who are protesting shutdowns.

#240 | Posted by rcade at 2020-05-29 08:23 AM | Reply

I have friends and family there too. And they universally side with the protesters.
I'm sorry your loved ones care more about an AutoZone than a black man getting murdered by the police. Perhaps they should take your advice instead.

Really? When you burn down the AutoZone, Wendy's, an apartment building and loot Target, Aldi's and Walgreens, you hurt the people who live in the area, who stand to lose their homes, their businesses, their jobs and the places they go for essentials like food, clothing and medication. FWIW, as my previous posts demonstrate, all the protesters don't side with those looting and setting fires. Floyd's family and his girlfriend among them.

#241 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-05-29 08:29 AM | Reply

And they universally side with the protesters.

#235 | POSTED BY JOE AT 2020-05-29 05:07 AM | FLAG:

Most people are siding with the protesters. Only the nuts are siding with the rioters.

#242 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-05-29 08:50 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The cops haven't been arrested yet. Doesn't mean they won't be. Peaceful protest everyday until they are. You don't need to burn down your own city, destroying businesses owned by your fellow citizens.

#113 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-05-28 11:38 PM

Dear Gal Tuesday,

The protestors and rioters have in common they are poor and if they're working or formerly working, they frequently get jobs not many people, unless they were desperate, would perform. If you own nothing, you got nothing to lose.

Best,

John47

#243 | Posted by john47 at 2020-05-29 08:55 AM | Reply

Last night I mentioned MLK and Gandhi. Someone this morning mentioned Mandela:

"When a man is denied the right to live the life he believes in, he has no choice but to become an outlaw." Nelson Mandela

"I am fundamentally an optimist. Whether that comes from nature or nurture, I cannot say. Part of being optimistic is keeping one's head pointed toward the sun, one's feet moving forward. There were many dark moments when my faith in humanity was sorely tested, but I would not and could not give myself up to despair. That way lays defeat and death." Nelson Mandela, Long Walk to Freedom: Autobiography of Nelson Mandela

"For to be free is not merely to cast off one's chains, but to live in a way that respects and enhances the freedom of others." Nelson Mandela

www.goodreads.com

#244 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-05-29 09:07 AM | Reply

A little history lessen for y'all. During WWII, we had race riots. White people went out and attacked black people for the crime of getting jobs at war plants in cities like Detroit and Chicago. Twenty years before that white people attacked blacks in Tulsa for getting financially successful. I note the worst race riots have been in California, the north Midwest and the rust belt in the last sixty years. Ever wonder why there is seldom anything approaching anything like this way down south? Maybe when everyone has a gun, cooler heads prevail. I also remember when we had a particularly bad tornado in my home town, the power was off for a couple of days. Gangs of black people looted down town, until citizens walked the streets and occupied businesses with shot guns. Criminality is admired among some communities.

#245 | Posted by docnjo at 2020-05-29 09:09 AM | Reply

"For to be free is not merely to cast off one's chains, but to live in a way that respects and enhances the freedom of others." Nelson Mandela

#244 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY AT 2020-05-29 09:07 AM | FLAG:

Mandela's wife endorsed necklacing. That's where they took perceived collaborators, put a tire around their neck, poured in gasoline and set it alight.

On the scale of burning things, lets hope our rioters don't up the ante.

#246 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-05-29 09:12 AM | Reply

#246 | Posted by sitzkrieg Don't worry about black rioters, worry about white backlash. From what I have read gun sells have peeked in that area. White people are much more dangerous if you know your history. Black people loot, white people kill.

#247 | Posted by docnjo at 2020-05-29 09:21 AM | Reply

"Mandela's wife endorsed necklacing."

Serious question: Did Nelson Mandela himself? I don't know the answer.

#248 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-05-29 09:27 AM | Reply

I haven't seen anyone promote murdering the man. I'm sure you're trying to cherry pick right now, but you won't find much.

#218 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

And we haven't seen anyone arrest the murderer.

The protesters have every right to protest. And everyone knows that once a protest like that starts starts it does need to be managed. It's called crowd control. Without crowd control people can panic and turn into a mob in a split second.

Where were the police? Where was the management of the crowds?

I saw none. It's like the authority's wanted last night to happen. It's like they were taunting the crowd. So the crowd obliged and burnt them down.

The crowd could have been managed but they decided to let the crowd run wild. And they did. Last night was like a free for all.

Last night there was no authority in that area.

Also I don't think the News cameras helped as the crowd likes to ham it up for the cameras. Fox News stayed way back. Probably because they would have gotten mobbed. MSNBC was right downtown in the thick of it. Ali Velshi was being very brave. A little too brave. He very was lucky nothing happened to him or his crew.

#249 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-05-29 09:33 AM | Reply

#248 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday Look at what is happening to South Africa? Do you endorse what is going on? Uganda kicked out all non blacks, and they descended into twenty years of terror and about a quarter of the population died. Zimbabwe kicked out all the non-blacks and it starves now. Wait for the same to happen to South Africa. When they run out of white people to hate, they will start to hate those who belong to the wrong tribes. Nelson Mandela was offered his freedom decades before his release if he condemned political violence. He never did.

#250 | Posted by docnjo at 2020-05-29 09:41 AM | Reply

Oh lordie:

Ingraham: To our African American fellow citizens I say this. Given his own experience with an out of control FBI and unfair investigations.. President Trump knows how poisonous an out of control law enforcement process can be

twitter.com

#251 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-05-29 09:48 AM | Reply

Serious question: Did Nelson Mandela himself? I don't know the answer.

#248 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY AT 2020-05-29 09:27 AM | FLAG:

He was in prison at the time. The ANC political party he wcondemned it, then gave the people that did it political positions. That's not even weird, butchers usually get clemency in reconciliations.

#252 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-05-29 10:01 AM | Reply

Do you think treating RCade's pale yellow page not as a platform but as a publisher can yield more balanced discourse, such as we saw here more than a decade ago during the Bush years?

The executive order is toothless. But if the laws ever change to take site hosts out of safe harbor for hosting user comments, there will likely be no user comments.

#253 | Posted by rcade at 2020-05-29 10:05 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

When you burn down the AutoZone, Wendy's, an apartment building and loot Target, Aldi's and Walgreens, you hurt the people who live in the area, who stand to lose their homes, their businesses, their jobs and the places they go for essentials like food, clothing and medication

You don't think they know that?

Here's a hint: Perhaps they have calculated that trying to force systemic change to fight decades of being treated like second-class citizens is more important than the privilege to flip burgers at Wendy's for a few weeks. Minnesota has welfare and unemployment programs that those displaced can take advantage of.

#254 | Posted by JOE at 2020-05-29 10:07 AM | Reply

Maybe when everyone has a gun, cooler heads prevail

It's always about guns with you ------- freaks, isn't it?

#255 | Posted by JOE at 2020-05-29 10:07 AM | Reply

#255 | Posted by JOE, Yeah, we are freaks like Jefferson, Washington, Adams, Jay and Monroe that made that the Second enumerated right of the people. A man without a gun is a subject, a man with a gun is a citizen. Go ahead and put a sign out in front of you residence announcing you are unarmed, otherwise you are a scab.

#256 | Posted by docnjo at 2020-05-29 10:16 AM | Reply

#256 The Second Amendment was interpreted by virtually every federal judge to consider the question as limited to weapons that had some nexus to a militia until about 15-20 years ago. You are NOTHING like the founders other than the fact that you're probably a racist.

#257 | Posted by JOE at 2020-05-29 10:22 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

until about 15-20 years ago

#257 | POSTED BY JOE AT 2020-05-29 10:22 AM | FLAG:

The National Firearm Act guarantees your and my right to own military weaponry since 1934. It just did so by discriminating against people less well off.

#258 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-05-29 10:31 AM | Reply

You're equating yourself with Jefferson, Washington, Adams, etc.?

Not even close.

#259 | Posted by YAV at 2020-05-29 10:34 AM | Reply

Looters are generally opportunists who exploit unrest. They should not be considered the same as protesters.

#260 | Posted by rcade at 2020-05-29 10:39 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"Some people riot over a sporting event."

Fire hoses should be used on those people too.

#261 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-29 10:40 AM | Reply

The National Firearm Act guarantees your and my right to own military weaponry since 1934. It just did so by discriminating against people less well off.

Not even close, moron. The NFA was enacted to impose a tax on the making and transfer of firearms, and required registration of specified firearms. You can't and won't point to any provision in the NFA that "guarantees your right to own military weaponry."

A prosecution under the NFA was challenged on Second Amendment grounds in US v. Miller. The Supreme Court unanimously held as follows:

In the absence of any evidence tending to show that possession or use of a 'shotgun having a barrel of less than eighteen inches in length' at this time has some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia, we cannot say that the Second Amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear such an instrument. Certainly it is not within judicial notice that this weapon is any part of the ordinary military equipment or that its use could contribute to the common defense.
This was the prevailing interpretation of the second amendment until the federalist society corrupted the legal education process and managed to get enough of its morons into the judiciary to reject all precedent, abandon all reason, and change the meaning of the amendment.

#262 | Posted by JOE at 2020-05-29 10:42 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

A man without a gun is a subject, a man with a gun is a citizen.

Go ahead and put a sign out in front of you residence announcing you are unarmed, otherwise you are a scab.

#256 | POSTED BY DOCNJO

You are wrong. I do not need a gun to be a citizen. I served in the marines. I need no other credentials.

And.

Just because a person does not have a gun does not mean they are unarmed.

#263 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-05-29 10:47 AM | Reply

A man without a gun is a subject, a man with a gun is a citizen.

This is gun bunny foolishness.

Your gun does not protect you from tyranny. Your vote protects you from tyranny.

#264 | Posted by rcade at 2020-05-29 10:51 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

Righties tell me day in and day out that if we outlawed guns, killers and mass murderers would find some other way to harm others.

Now Docnjo is telling me I absolutely need a gun and that nothing else will do.

How do we reconcile this?

#265 | Posted by JOE at 2020-05-29 10:52 AM | Reply

"During WWII, we had race riots. White people went out and attacked black people for the crime of getting jobs at war plants in cities like Detroit and Chicago. Twenty years before that white people attacked blacks in Tulsa for getting financially successful."

This is a nice little nugget that I'm tempted to share with friends who are throwing are around the "riots are the language of the unheard" quote from Martin Luther King. We all get the context, and anyone in their right mind thinks these cops should be charged with at least manslaughter. But the people making excuses or trying to garner sympathy for the violence are pissing on MLK's grave, pissing on Rodney King's grave and pissing on George Floyd's grave.

#266 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-29 10:54 AM | Reply

"A man without a gun is a subject, a man with a gun is a citizen."

A white man with a gun is a citizen, a black man with a gun is killed.

#267 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-05-29 10:56 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#266 Does that include Dr. King Jr.'s oldest son, MLK III, who applied his father's quote to what's going on in MPLS?

twitter.com

Is he pissing on his own father's grave?

Or how about Bernice King, his daughter, retweeting the same words?

twitter.com

Pissing on her father's grave too?

#268 | Posted by JOE at 2020-05-29 10:58 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

But the people making excuses or trying to garner sympathy for the violence are pissing on MLK's grave, pissing on Rodney King's grave and pissing on George Floyd's grave.

#266 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

Explaining human behavior (why humans do what they do) and making excuses for what they do are two different things with two different agendas.

#269 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-05-29 10:59 AM | Reply

Frankly I'm a lot more inclined to take the side of King's own children, who have dedicated their own lives to racial justice, when it comes to interpretation and application of Dr. King's words, than some anonymous white guy on the internet.

But that's just me.

#270 | Posted by JOE at 2020-05-29 11:00 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

A man without a gun is a subject, a man with a gun is a citizen.
#256 | POSTED BY DOCNJO

So you're saying that George Floyd should have had a gun and shot the cop? Because nothing says Government tyranny to me like a Jackbooted Thug with his knee on a free citizen's neck.

#271 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2020-05-29 11:01 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

#265 | Posted by JOE The gun is the absolute equalizer. With one a hundred pound woman can overwhelm a two hundred pound attacker. A home invasion becomes a mass causality event, usually for the invaders. The fear of an armed victim is what criminals fear more than arrest or incarceration. In any society 3% will be criminals. Without an individual's right to defense, the strong, violent and ruthless will dominate all others. I have seen a couple of cultures where that is the rule.

#272 | Posted by docnjo at 2020-05-29 11:04 AM | Reply

Ingraham: To our African American fellow citizens I say this. Given his own experience with an out of control FBI and unfair investigations.. President Trump knows how poisonous an out of control law enforcement process can be

Yeah, Trump knows the struggle. Oh lordie, indeed.

#273 | Posted by horstngraben at 2020-05-29 11:06 AM | Reply

#271 | Posted by TFDNihilist I bet you have no ideal why George Floyd was being placed under arrest.

#274 | Posted by docnjo at 2020-05-29 11:07 AM | Reply

#272 Great now respond to #262 or admit you're a liar with no knowledge of this country's history.

#275 | Posted by JOE at 2020-05-29 11:08 AM | Reply

I bet you...
#274 | POSTED BY DOCNJO

That's not an answer to my qiestion.

#276 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2020-05-29 11:10 AM | Reply

The gun is the absolute equalizer.

Did a gun equalize Breonna Taylor and her boyfriend when unidentified home invaders stormed their bedroom in the middle of the night?

#277 | Posted by rcade at 2020-05-29 11:10 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

...question...

#278 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2020-05-29 11:10 AM | Reply

Without an individual's right to defense, the strong, violent and ruthless will dominate all others. I have seen a couple of cultures where that is the rule.

#272 | POSTED BY DOCNJO

Garbage. Wrong again.

I have the right to defend myself and you cannot take it. And I don't need a gun to defend it.

I do not need a gun to defend myself or take on someone a hundred pounds bigger than myself.

A woman can learn those same skills if she needs to be in the presence of someone who might harm her. Some cultures cherish physical fitness and self defense training is standard.

I have seen cultures where that is the rule.

#279 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-05-29 11:13 AM | Reply

The NFA was enacted

#262 | POSTED BY JOE AT 2020-05-29 10:42 AM | FLAG:

As a reaction to crime by trying to use a tax stamp to price those weapons out of the reach of criminal gangs after the St. Valentines Day Massacre. The NFA means you can own machine guns, SBRs, SBSs, and any NFA weapon as long as its registered and you pay the stamp tax. Thanks Feds! BARs are awesome, but you wouldn't want them in the hands of the poor, too dangerous.

#280 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-05-29 11:16 AM | Reply

I'm pretty sure the owners of the establishments in Minneapolis are appreciative of their ability to keep and bear arms. Given that the cops are gone, the only thing between saving your business or losing it to some Antifa -------- might be your gun.

#281 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-05-29 11:30 AM | Reply

You project onto Trump that he wants to burn the system down, when it is you that wants to burn it down.

#214 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

You guys have become so twisted to maintain support for Trump you don't even make sense anymore.

It's libruls now that want to burn everything down? Really?

#282 | Posted by jpw at 2020-05-29 11:35 AM | Reply

The NFA means you can own machine guns, SBRs, SBSs, and any NFA weapon as long as its registered and you pay the stamp tax. Thanks Feds!

It didn't mean that until the federalist society took over our judiciary. Thanks Republicans!

#283 | Posted by JOE at 2020-05-29 11:37 AM | Reply

I'm pretty sure...
#281 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Personally, I prefer a system where Jackbooted Government thugs don't murder free citizens in broad daylight thus driving the masses to riot.
Your way is just more "I need guns to protect me from other guns".

#284 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2020-05-29 11:39 AM | Reply

"Personally, I prefer a system where Jackbooted Government thugs don't murder free citizens in broad daylight thus driving the masses to riot."

I think what you means is you prefer a system where these jackbooted government thugs don't murder these free citizens in broad daylight, but let's not limit our options.

In any case, some of the first responders, and I first responders I mean civilians assisting business in defending their property, showed up with machetes. Guns are a simply more convincing method of defense.

I feel like you should be equally appreciative. The residents of those neighborhoods are.

#285 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-05-29 11:46 AM | Reply

Given that the cops are gone, the only thing between saving your business or losing it to some Antifa -------- might be your gun.

#281 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Nice story bro.

How many guns were used to protect them businesses last night? You know what did save a business? Graffiti. Words on a wall. The words "Minority owned business" were more powerful than any gun last night in protecting a business from being burned.

Violence only leads to more violence.

I can only hope that someday we as a species will learn this.

#286 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-05-29 11:47 AM | Reply

Given that the cops are gone, the only thing between saving your business or losing it to some Antifa -------- might be your gun.

#281 | Posted by madbomber

Or just have a good insurance policy and then we wont have to live a police state where guns kill more people than wars.

#287 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-05-29 11:50 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

A racist murderer wearing a police uniform and a badge precipitated this mess. The fact that he and his accomplices are still free fueled the uprising along with WHITE instigators in the streets. Who shot those protestors in Louisville? Many fine people?

#288 | Posted by getoffmedz at 2020-05-29 11:50 AM | Reply

I think what you means...
#285 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Don't tell me what I mean. You have no idea who I am. I mean what I say.

#289 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2020-05-29 11:51 AM | Reply

"How many guns were used to protect them businesses last night? You know what did save a business? Graffiti. Words on a wall. The words "Minority owned business" were more powerful than any gun last night in protecting a business from being burned."

So everyone runs outside and paints "minority owned business" on their wall?

Baltimore, St. Louis, now Minneapolis...the protests of people trying to make a point are drowned out by a bunch of entitled ----- who want to smash up an ATM or burn down a fast food restaurant.

#290 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-05-29 11:53 AM | Reply

...along with WHITE instigators in the streets.
#288 | POSTED BY GETOFFMEDZ

I was watching some looting videos, the white folks were out in force getting their share.

#291 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2020-05-29 11:54 AM | Reply

"Or just have a good insurance policy and then we wont have to live a police state where guns kill more people than wars."

So...let's pull that thread a little more. Those businesses that burned down...insurance isn't free. Now the cost to consumers is going to go up. Or maybe the businesses just stay closed. Maybe the residents of that area now have to go to the target ten miles down the road.

It's fine with you...you don't live their. And it almost seems to me as if you think the cost to them is worth it.

#292 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-05-29 11:55 AM | Reply

"#266 Does that include Dr. King Jr.'s oldest son, MLK III, who applied his father's quote to what's going on in MPLS?
Is he pissing on his own father's grave?
Or how about Bernice King, his daughter, retweeting the same words?
Pissing on her father's grave too?"

If the were making excuses or trying to garner sympathy for the violence, then yes.

#293 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-29 11:56 AM | Reply

*they

#294 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-29 11:56 AM | Reply

.....the protests of people trying to make a point are drowned out by...
#290 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

That's the whole point of this thread. So stop contributing to the cacophony and focus on the point of this tragedy.

#295 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2020-05-29 11:56 AM | Reply

"A racist murderer wearing a police uniform and a badge precipitated this mess."

Which establishes connective tissue between the burned police station and those who burned it. But as far as I know the arresting officer didn't work at Target. Or Wendy's. Or an auto parts store.

Destroying those establishments simply prevents the residents of those areas to be able to use them. Likely permanently for some of the businesses.

#296 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-05-29 11:57 AM | Reply

The point, just to remind you, is that a racist, murderous cop put these wheels in motion.

#297 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2020-05-29 11:58 AM | Reply

"I was watching some looting videos, the white folks were out in force getting their share."

Yes, people of all races engage in the rioting and looting. Turn the fire hoses on all of them.

#298 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-29 11:58 AM | Reply

"Don't tell me what I mean. You have no idea who I am. I mean what I say."

I feel like your're relatively basic. Which means you're predictable.

#299 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-05-29 11:58 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I was watching some looting videos, the white folks were out in force getting their share."

Black hoodies and everything.

#300 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-05-29 11:59 AM | Reply

Destroying those establishments ...
#296 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Statements like this focus on the acts of opportunistic criminals and not on the cry for justice.

#301 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2020-05-29 12:01 PM | Reply

"The point, just to remind you, is that a racist, murderous cop put these wheels in motion."

No. A murderous racist cop instigated understandable anger against the police force. Wendy's and Target didn't do a goddamn thing. But entitled teenager need to express their anger somehow.

#302 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-05-29 12:02 PM | Reply

I feel like your're relatively...
#299 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Wouldn't be the first time you were wrong about things.

#303 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2020-05-29 12:02 PM | Reply

"Or just have a good insurance policy handled by a competent agent and then we wont have to live a police state where guns kill more people than wars."

Riot and civil commotion is a covered peril on most commercial property policies.

#304 | Posted by eberly at 2020-05-29 12:03 PM | Reply

But entitled teenager need to express their anger somehow.
#302 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

It's hilarious that you find these people "entitled".
Obviously you are missing the point of the whole thing while focusing on the acts of opportunistic criminals. Very convenient.

#305 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2020-05-29 12:05 PM | Reply

"Statements like this focus on the acts of opportunistic criminals and not on the cry for justice."

George Floyd died. Killed by a cop who, barring some pretty crazy exculpatory evidence, he'll go to prison. Awesome. What does that do for those people living in communities that have just been trashed. And BTW, you don't EVER trash your own community-only someone else's. Even the most dedicated antifa soldier is not going to throw a brick through his own window, or set his own car on fire. Even if everyone else is fair game.

#306 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-05-29 12:05 PM | Reply

And destroying a business isn't the act of an opportunistic criminal, it's a malicious act of violence for the sake of violence.

#307 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-05-29 12:06 PM | Reply

Any time you can distract for your own argument, you gotta do it.

#308 | Posted by Donny at 2020-05-29 12:06 PM | Reply

#302 - Your whataboutism has been duly noted.

#309 | Posted by getoffmedz at 2020-05-29 12:06 PM | Reply

Interesting how the guy who probably lives farthest from this commotion than anyone projects an attitude of knowing exactly what's happening on the ground.

#310 | Posted by JOE at 2020-05-29 12:08 PM | Reply

"while focusing on the acts of opportunistic criminals"

Someone needs to reread the summary at the top of this thread.

#311 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-29 12:08 PM | Reply

...and isn't anyone concerned about a system that creates so many opportunistic criminals, of all races, to begin with.
Maybe we should stop letting Government jackbooted thugs kick in doors and murder folks in their homes and see if we produce less opportunistic criminals.

#312 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2020-05-29 12:09 PM | Reply

"Obviously you are missing the point of the whole thing while focusing on the acts of opportunistic criminals. Very convenient."

I'm more concerned about the people who's neighborhoods have been upended. Maybe they don't care. Maybe they view the destruction as a worthwhile cost of a city being able to vent it's anger.

I guess if they don't care, I shouldn't.

#313 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-05-29 12:11 PM | Reply

"less opportunistic criminals"

Fewer.

#314 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-29 12:11 PM | Reply

...destroying a business isn't the act of an opportunistic criminal...
#307 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Vandalism isn't a crime? Committed when the opportunity of the cover of a civil riot presents itself?
Try going a little deeper in your thought if you don't want to be predictable.

#315 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2020-05-29 12:13 PM | Reply

"Interesting how the guy who probably lives farthest from this commotion than anyone projects an attitude of knowing exactly what's happening on the ground."

That wouldn't happen here.

You're not likely to get shot by a cop in Germany, but they will beat the holy living ---- out of you if you don't do what they say.

#316 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-05-29 12:14 PM | Reply

"This is gun bunny foolishness."

That's awesome.

I am stealing that.

#317 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-05-29 12:14 PM | Reply

During the L.A. Riots many fires that occurred became the worst outbreak of insurance fraud in U.S. history. Wendy's, Target and AutoZone are well-covered by standard practice. The only coverage a "minority-owned business" can get is spray-painted on the wall.

#318 | Posted by getoffmedz at 2020-05-29 12:16 PM | Reply

A lot of the anarchists are bragging about how they're attracting actual white supremacists who are now heading towards Minneapolis to join in the chaos. These people don't give a ---- about justice being achieved, it's all about their "just us" mentalities.

#319 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-29 12:16 PM | Reply

Any time you can distract for your own argument, you gotta do it.

#308 | POSTED BY DONNY

Sounds like a great slogan for a Trumptilian.

Sounds just like a typical Trumpy executive order.

#320 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-05-29 12:16 PM | Reply

Fewer.
#314 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

Thanks, I'm one of the few people who don't mind having my grammar corrected. The best thing Whole Foods ever did was get all the stores to change their signs at the express lane.

#321 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2020-05-29 12:17 PM | Reply

"Maybe we should stop letting Government jackbooted thugs kick in doors and murder folks in their homes and see if we produce less opportunistic criminals."

So...what if those jackbooted government thugs are kicking in the door of a white supremacist who may be plotting a terrorist attack? Or a member of ISIS?

Personally, I see little value in the police department. A bit of deterrence, maybe. But in serious cases they just come in and clean up the mess. But I (maybe incorrectly) pegged you as one of those who would argue that a strong police force would be necessary to make the argument that individuals needn't be responsible for their own safety and protection.

#322 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-05-29 12:17 PM | Reply

Any time you can distract for your own argument, you gotta do it.
#308 | POSTED BY DONNY
Sounds like a great slogan for a Trumptilian.
Sounds just like a typical Trumpy executive order.

#320 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY AT 2020-05-29 12:16 PM | REPLY | FLAG

I'm consistently told whataboutism is bad by the left.

#323 | Posted by Donny at 2020-05-29 12:18 PM | Reply

"The only coverage a "minority-owned business" can get is spray-painted on the wall."

And will spray paint prevent a fire from spreading from auto zone to a minority-owned business? Because if it does catch fire, the fire department isn't coming.

#324 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-05-29 12:19 PM | Reply

Given that the cops are gone, the only thing between saving your business or losing it to some Antifa -------- might be your gun.
#281 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Nice story bro.
How many guns were used to protect them businesses last night? You know what did save a business? Graffiti. Words on a wall. The words "Minority owned business" were more powerful than any gun last night in protecting a business from being burned.
Violence only leads to more violence.
I can only hope that someday we as a species will learn this.
#286 | Posted by donnerboy

Nice poetry, Dboy. Simple and clich, but nice poetry. B minus.

#325 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2020-05-29 12:22 PM | Reply

"A lot of the anarchists are bragging about how they're attracting actual white supremacists who are now heading towards Minneapolis to join in the chaos. These people don't give a ---- about justice being achieved, it's all about their "just us" mentalities."

It's been that way since I was a teenager growing up in Portland. We used to call them SHARPs (SkinHeads Against Racial Prejudice) back then. It makes them sound like nice people, but they were nothing but a bunch of degenerate troublemakers out to cause trouble where they could. Nothing has changed.

#326 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-05-29 12:22 PM | Reply

"This is gun bunny foolishness."
That's awesome.
I am stealing that.

#317 | Posted by donnerboy

You'll misuse it, Shirley.

#327 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2020-05-29 12:24 PM | Reply

You can be very much in opposition to racism without setting things on fire or destroying businesses. And I have no doubt that most of those causing the destruction don't care about the cause. It could have been a protest against war. Or captialsim. Or Trump. Or Oil. Or anything sufficiently left enough for them to infiltrate.

#328 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-05-29 12:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You'll misuse it, Shirley.
#327 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

No worries bro.
I been gubmint trained. Well Regulated even!
A won't shoot my eye out with it.

And leave Shirley out of it.

#329 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-05-29 12:29 PM | Reply

Minneapolis Police have had issues with police brutality for decades. I handled cases there myself. Nothing ever happened to officers. Lawyers defending the department had the mentality of settling suits and moving on with business as usual.

The Minneapolis Police kill someone and get sued.

Nothing changes.

The Minneapolis Police kill someone and get sued. Officers are given letters of discipline in their files.

Nothing changes.

The Minneapolis Police kill someone and get sued. Officers are given letters of discipline in their files. Protests erupt.

Nothing changes.

The Minneapolis Police kill someone and get sued. Officers are given letters of discipline in their files. Protests erupt. The Governor changes the law on police training that the Police Union violates and ignores.

Nothing changes.

Would did you expect was going to happen when nothing ever changes?

#330 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-05-29 12:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I used to have an army FA Officer who worked for me. A "Gun Bunny" was an officer who operated at the location of the firing unit itself. In contrast to the FO, who was somewhere further downrange working targets.

#331 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-05-29 12:36 PM | Reply

THE FACT REMAINS! A whataboutism changes NOTHING! And until this racist murderer and his accomplices are behind bars this will keep happening. White instigators will assure it continues.

#333 | Posted by getoffmedz at 2020-05-29 12:39 PM | Reply

Nice poetry, Dboy. Simple and clich, but nice poetry. B minus.

#325 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

But no comment on how the "word" was mightier than the gun?

Typical.

#334 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-05-29 12:41 PM | Reply

I'm out. Out I tells you.

#332 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

We should be so lucky?

Take that lying moron Trumpy the Killer Klown with you please.

#335 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-05-29 12:44 PM | Reply

Trump's cult has been hiding from view on this site for months because they didn't want to defend drinking bleach.

All it took to bring them out of the woodwork was a chance to attack minorities who are sick of a corrupt system.

#336 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-05-29 12:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"We keep and bear arms in case we ever need to overthrow a tyrannical government..."

"Oh fcck! They're trying to overthrow a tyrannical government! Someone stop them!!!"

-- the same people

#338 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2020-05-29 01:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

I'll stick to the science, thank you.

#337 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

What kind of science is that? Shamanic science?

Magic and wishful thinking may seem like science to you but is not.

Do you also think the science shows that there are only 15 cases soon to be zero? Or that the virus will disappear like magic? Or that it is just the flu?

Just curious as to what type or century of science you are referring to.

#339 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-05-29 01:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I'll stick to the science, thank you.

HCQ and zinc is definitely not science. It's garbage snake-oil that kills people. I don't care if you take it, but promoting something that kills people should get that post deleted.

#340 | Posted by YAV at 2020-05-29 01:17 PM | Reply

I support all conservatives taking the regimen Dixville outlined. They should top it off with some clorox.

#341 | Posted by JOE at 2020-05-29 01:25 PM | Reply

Do you even lift, bro?
#80 | Posted by rstybeach11
I can lift the likes of you with my ------- tied behind my back.
#82 | Posted by DixvilleNotch
We can't write "-------" anymore?
How do you lightweights ever visit a doctor?
This is where I draw the line -- clear as that thin peach line of flesh that separates my ---------. I'm out. Out I tells you.
#332 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

I don't always agree with DIX but...

I love my cuss words like I love my wife. Intensely.
-Boomtown

#342 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-05-29 01:30 PM | Reply

Dix is a Symptomatic, High-Risk Covid-19 Patient?

Weird.

#344 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-29 01:42 PM | Reply

BREAKING: Former MPD Officer Derek Chauvin Has Been Taken Into Custody In George Floyd's Death

MINNEAPOLIS (WCCO) " Fired Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin has been arrested four days after George Floyd's fatal arrest that sparked protests, rioting and outcry across the city and nation.

On Friday, John Harrington, commissioner of the Minnesota Department of Public Safety, announced that Chauvin was taken into custody by the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension.

Chauvin is the former officer in the video seen around the world with his knee on Floyd's neck. He'd been with Minneapolis police for 19 years.

minnesota.cbslocal.com

#345 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-05-29 01:50 PM | Reply

"BREAKING: Former MPD Officer Derek Chauvin Has Been Taken Into Custody In George Floyd's Death"

That's good news but you know he's going to be acquitted, if they can manage to indict him at all, then he'll sue the city and the police department and get reinstated with back pay and compensatory damages.

#346 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2020-05-29 01:54 PM | Reply

#347 | Posted by DixvilleNotch

Dont forget to add bleach and shove a spotlight up your ass

#349 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-05-29 02:03 PM | Reply

Hydroxychloriquine is on the short list of essential medicines required to maintain civilization. HCQ been proven safe for some 65 years. Millions of doses a day are prescribed around the world.

It's funny how people say this as if it's profound.

It being safe in an otherwise healthy person isn't the same as safe in a patient undergoing severe respiratory distress or failure. Or kidney failure. Cardiac damage and symptoms. Hepatitis.

#350 | Posted by jpw at 2020-05-29 02:05 PM | Reply

#337 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

That's what folks taking Hydroxychloriquine often require, to mitigate the heart arrhythmia associated with HCQ side effects.

Yeah, you know, science...and medicine. Try it.

#351 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-05-29 02:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Just a little information for the masses it looks like cops started the damaging of businesses which has led to the fires and looting
See my #215 post

#352 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-05-29 02:09 PM | Reply

Hey MADBOMBER,

Check this out.

Minneapolis Restaurant Owner: 'Let my building burn, justice needs to be served, put those officers in jail.'
www.startribune.com

Interesting perspective that I, and I imagine you as well, had not considered.

#354 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-05-29 02:10 PM | Reply

Early Outpatient Treatment of Symptomatic, High-Risk Covid-19 Patients that Should be Ramped-Up Immediately as Key to the Pandemic Crisis
Published by Oxford University Press on behalf of the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health.
academic.oup.com
I know how you love good news! Remember to always discuss your individual needs with your doctor.

#343 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

You don't understand what it says.

"outpatient trials results are not expected until September" according the synopsis.

That's not a published paper. That's an accepted manuscript.

It hasn't been peered reviewed yet. Nor is it a study.

Here is a recent study not mentioned in the manuscript you cited: www.thelancet.com(20)31180-6/fulltext

It doesn't have good news.

#356 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-05-29 02:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

RSTY

"Minneapolis Restaurant Owner: 'Let my building burn, justice needs to be served, put those officers in jail."

Yeah, sure.

I'll bet he already has the insurance claim papers filled out.

#358 | Posted by Twinpac at 2020-05-29 02:20 PM | Reply

#355 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

But it doesn't address how effective the treatment is and ignores a bunch of contrary studies. That's the issue. See The Lancet article I posted above.

Sorry the Link Failed: "www.thelancet.com

#359 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-05-29 02:21 PM | Reply

#279 | Posted by donnerboy Tell me that when you turn 70, or your job takes you away from your family a year at a time. Despite your obvious delusion that you can protect your self from any threat, you can't. Especially if your opponent is armed with a gun. "One man with a gun can control one hundred men without guns". Stalin

#361 | Posted by docnjo at 2020-05-29 02:22 PM | Reply

#360 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

No. Most are peer reviewed. The Lancet is Peer-Reviewed weekly.

Also, you provide no evidence The Lancet study is flawed. It was an incredibly large study using 15,000 people treated with what you are describing against 81,000 that weren't.

Data was heavily controlled for other pre-existing conditions UNLIKE in the manuscript cited small studies.

I'm not saying the Manuscript is wrong.

I'm saying the evidence right now doesn't suggest its worth the risk without further study.

#363 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-05-29 02:29 PM | Reply

Dix is a Symptomatic, High-Risk Covid-19 Patient?
Weird.
#344 | Posted by snoofy

Could be. What's it to you?

The study only speaks to Symptomatic, High-Risk Covid-19 Patients.

Are you one, or not?

#368 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-29 02:42 PM | Reply

"One man with a gun can control one hundred men without guns". Stalin
#361 | POSTED BY DOCNJO AT 2020-05-29 02:22 PM | REPLY

Like a classroom full of unarmed 6 year olds?

And is Stalin your new favorite authority figure?

#369 | Posted by joe at 2020-05-29 02:43 PM | Reply

Tell me that when you turn 70, or your job takes you away from your family a year at a time.

I am 65 and retired. I also do not need a gun. I do study and train in "self defense" because Akido & tai chi keeps me healthy in body and mind.

An Akido master can disarm you with a smile. Also it helps if you are not actually afraid to die.

"One man with a gun can control one hundred men without guns". Stalin

#361 | POSTED BY DOCNJO

Stalin was a murderer. You quote a murderer of millions to support your right to a carry a gun?

That there is some weak sauce brother.

I prefer the proverb that the pen is mightier than the sword.

Napoleon is another who is said to have compared word and weapon.

"Four hostile newspapers are more to be feared than 1,000 bayonets".

You may be able kill me with a gun but you cannot shoot down an idea with one.

#370 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-05-29 02:45 PM | Reply

There's that B- poetry again. Maybe C this time.

Right to keep and bear arms is right to keep and bear arms.

Not required. You use your balls of brass. Don't make no nevermind to me.

#371 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2020-05-29 02:50 PM | Reply

#353 | Posted by DixvilleNotch

No but I'm smart enough to listen to doctors instead of fake billionaire reality tv show actors.

#372 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-05-29 02:52 PM | Reply

Sadly, the deadly Corona virus recently killed another service member, bringing the number to 3 out of 2.1 million dead.

#373 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-05-29 02:52 PM | Reply

#367 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

The manuscript is not a study. It's an article citing certain small studies and ignoring other larger studies.

There isn't sufficient evidence right now to say its helping with COVID-19. So it's increasing the chances of a fatal heart attack minimally without clear evidence its providing any benefit.

The manuscript you cited lists some small non-clinical studies with a host of issues that show positive evidence in treating COVID-19.

But it does not mention a slew of negative studies showing no evidence of treating COVID-19.

The bigger studies right now are not showing evidence that Hydroxychloroquine works to treat COVID-19.

As I said previously, we need further evidence before we start large scale use of the drugs.

You are cherry picking an opinion based on a few small studies and ignoring other larger studies and the opinion of the broader medical community. That's NOT science.

#374 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-05-29 02:54 PM | Reply

"One man with a gun can control one hundred men without guns". Stalin
#361 | POSTED BY DOCNJO

That's the reason for the Second Amendment.

So the Free States couldn't put an end to slavery by taking away the slaver's means of control.

#375 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-29 02:54 PM | Reply

Go crazy on it.
#367 | POSTED BY DIX

How about you take some chloroquine and get back to us.

#377 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-05-29 03:01 PM | Reply

#376 You're dispensing medical advice based on a study that's only applicable toSymptomatic, High-Risk Covid-19 Patients.

Without saying it's only applicable toSymptomatic, High-Risk Covid-19 Patients.

Thats's called lying.

#378 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-29 03:02 PM | Reply

I'm preparing to venture forth on a photo safari in eastern Africa.
#376 | POSTED BY DIX

Eastern Africa?

Is that what you're calling your bathroom these days?

Trust me. No one wants to see the pics.

Especially not the children you send them to.

#380 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-05-29 03:03 PM | Reply

So the Free States couldn't put an end to slavery by taking away the slaver's means of control.

#375 | Posted by snoofy

Well, we ended slavery by shooting the slavers anyways.

#382 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2020-05-29 03:04 PM | Reply

Thats's called lying.
#378 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

It's Dix. What more would you expect.

#383 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-05-29 03:05 PM | Reply

Well, we ended slavery by shooting the slavers anyways.
#382 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

Fake News.

#384 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-29 03:05 PM | Reply

we ended slavery by shooting the slavers anyways.
#382 | POSTED BY DIX

What a dummy.

Slavery was ended by the signing of a law prohibiting slavery.

Shooting the slavers was to prevent the Union from splitting.

But. Looking back on it. Probably one of America's biggest mistakes.

They should have let the south go. None of those states are worth a damn and all they do is put the grandkids of confederates into our federal government.

#386 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-05-29 03:09 PM | Reply

#385 | POSTED BY DIX

Your "doctor"?

Thanks for that anecdote!

It was quite hilarious.

#388 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-05-29 03:11 PM | Reply

Target Is Shutting Down More Than a Dozen Minneapolis Stores Until Further Notice' After Looting. Good for Target. The saying you don't s--t where you eat comes to mind.

#390 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2020-05-29 03:12 PM | Reply

Right to keep and bear arms is right to keep and bear arms.

Not required. You use your balls of brass. Don't make no nevermind to me.

#371 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

Absolutely! Makes no never mind to me either.

Just don't try and "pick my pockets or break my bones".

As Founding Father Tommy used to say.

Also thanks for the good grades and all but who died and left you in charge of grading my work?

Are you my personal Jiminy Cricket? Garsh! Where have you been all my life?

#392 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-05-29 03:16 PM | Reply

Target Is Shutting Down More Than a Dozen Minneapolis Stores... Good for Target.
#390 | POSTED BY GRACIEAMAZED

GracieAmazed is here to cheer businesses in black communities closing.

Why would GracieAmazed cheer for that?
Because GracieAmazed thinks it will hurt black communities.

Meanwhile, GracieAmazed is outraged that stores have closed all over due to COVID-19.
Why would GracieAmazed be outraged by that?
Because GracieAmazed thinks it will hurt white communities.

And that's how racism works.

#394 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-29 03:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Where have you been all my life?
#392 | Posted by donnerboy

We just don't seem to run in the same circles often DBoy. Maybe we'll bump into each other some time at Apple Jack's? First couple of whatevers are on me.

Cheers!

www.bing.com

#395 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2020-05-29 03:21 PM | Reply

The saying you don't s--t where you eat comes to mind.
#390 | POSTED BY GRACIEAMAZED

Yet you eagerly eat Trump's shht.

Like you're at a Golden Corral buffet.

#396 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-05-29 03:22 PM | Reply

Give a little whistle. Works for me.

#397 | Posted by Petrous at 2020-05-29 03:24 PM | Reply

From DIX-NOTCH's linked study:

"But the urgency demands that we at least start to take that risk and evaluate what happens, and if our situation does not improve we can stop it, but we will know that we did everything that we could instead of sitting by and letting hundreds of thousands die because we did not have the courage to act according to our rational calculations."

That's exactly what we're doing, through clinical study (you know, controlled, randomized trials -- not willy nilly "Take it! What do you have to lose?!") and the results are only relatively positive:

Studies find further lack of COVID benefit from hydroxychloroquine
www.cidrap.umn.edu

Even in the face of recent scrutiny by prominent researchers, study showing higher mortality rates among COVID-19 patients prescribed hydroxychloroquine further show no benefit.
www.vox.com

Despite our small number of cases, the potential of HCQ in the treatment of COVID-19 has been partially confirmed. Considering that there is no better option at present, it is a promising practice to apply HCQ to COVID-19 under reasonable management. However, Large-scale clinial and basic research is still needed to clarify its specific mechanism and to continuously optimize the treatment plan.
www.medrxiv.org


In other words, the risks do not outweigh the rewards YET, irregardless of the DIX-NOTCH study author's feelings on the matter. A confluence of researchers suggest HCW needs further study with far higher data points than 100-400 patients.

But without the risk for arryhthmic issues, it's got to be considered the best treatment available. There simply needs to be more research, which DIX-NOTCH's author suggests, but clearly wants that to be done in a public setting, not a controlled, clinical setting. That would more than likely be a mistake:

We strongly encourage enrollment of patients in clinical research protocols, whenever available. All clinical use that occurs outside of a research setting should incorporate anticipated benefits balanced against risks. Currently, there is hope for benefit from hydroxychloroquine, yet there is little evidence. That is likely to rapidly change, given many pending clinical studies."
www.acc.org

With my family's history of heart issues, however, you won't find me taking that ----.

#399 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-05-29 03:29 PM | Reply

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#401 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-05-29 03:37 PM | Reply

I haven't been around much, and I'm heading out now that this thread has burned its course. Do you guys rage on about folks injecting little kids with transitioning drugs and mutitilitating their --------? Cuz that ---- seems risky. Says my doctor.

I wish I could say its been nice seeing you all!

If you can't be at Apple Jacks when it opens up, you fellas can feel free to come around my back door in the meantime. I'll push in your stool for you.

Ciao!

#402 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2020-05-29 03:39 PM | Reply

"and if our situation does not improve we can stop it"

Who's going to stop it? The same folks who are going to enforce face masks? Or social distancing? People are going to do what they want to do. Los Angeles, San Diego, and Miami beaches prove that.

Minneapolis, MN is proving that.

Trump is proving that by refusing to wear a mask while telling everyone else they should be wearing masks.

How in the hell is anyone going to stop the HCQ train once it's started? We can't get people to stop taking homeopathy therapies even though they've been proven ineffective (other than placebo effect).

There in lies the real risk.

Hypothetically, prescribing it to all the infected, THEN studying its effects, only to realize that it indeed has a NEGATIVE impact is actually opening Pandora's box. It's like fitting toothpaste back in the tube - the risk is simply too great to follow that method.

Continued controlled, clinical trials should be relied upon to establish the efficacy of HCQ.

And if the main concern here are deaths, then the best way to stop people from dying is helping mitigate infection. Don't let them get sick in the first place, stay at home and stop acting like it's time to return to the previous status-quo. Vaccincation trials are just getting underway, but we should 'open everything up' now?

And part of that reasoning is that there is a promising treatment for those who are sick?

Terrible risk analysis.

#403 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-05-29 03:43 PM | Reply

"Do you guys rage on about folks injecting little kids with transitioning drugs and mutitilitating their --------?"

Sounds like someone had a rough childhood!

Did they assign you the right gender, do you think?

I can't imagine the anger you must be feeling.

#404 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-29 03:45 PM | Reply

#400 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

I won't hold my breath over you reading my #403.

Would be good if you showed a little humility. Your pompousness is boorish.

#405 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-05-29 03:46 PM | Reply

Your pompousness is boorish.
#405 | Posted by rstybeach11

Why the redundancy, Rusty?

#407 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2020-05-29 03:51 PM | Reply

I won't hold my breath over you reading my #403.

#405 | Posted by rstybeach11

As you see above, I read your #403. I laughed. I cried. Then I laughed again.

Thanks!

#408 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2020-05-29 03:52 PM | Reply

Vaccincation trials are just getting underway, but we should 'open everything up' now?
And part of that reasoning is that there is a promising treatment for those who are sick?
Terrible risk analysis.
#403 | Posted by rstybeach11

Hey Rusty! Speaking of not holding your breath, has there ever been a vaccine for an RNA virus?

I gotta get back to work.

I'm *essential*

#409 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2020-05-29 03:54 PM | Reply

Thanks!
#408 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

Yeha, thanks for nothing.

#410 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-05-29 03:55 PM | Reply

Why the redundancy, Rusty?
#407 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

You've earned it in spades.

#411 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-05-29 03:55 PM | Reply

I'm *essential*
#409 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

Figured as much. Explains a lot.

#412 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-05-29 03:56 PM | Reply

You are hysterical.
#406 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

Your basing your stance on a single study. I'm calling for more research, as are most epidemiologists. I wonder why that is?

#413 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-05-29 03:58 PM | Reply

"The study says HCQ and Azithromycin, not Zinc."

Risch recommends Zinc too:

But for the great majority, I conclude that HCQ+AZ and HCQ+doxycycline, preferably with zinc (47) can be this outpatient treatment, at least until we find or add something better, whether that could be remdesivir or something else. It is our obligation not to stand by, just "carefully watching," as the old and infirm and inner city of us are killed by this disease and our economy is destroyed by it and we have nothing to offer except high-mortality hospital treatment. We have a solution, imperfect, to attempt to deal with the disease. We have to let physicians employing good clinical judgement use it and informed patients choose it. There is a small chance that it may not work. But the urgency demands that we at least start to take that risk and evaluate what happens, and if our situation does not improve we can stop it, but we will know that we did everything that we could instead of sitting by and letting hundreds of thousands die because we did not have the courage to act according to our rational calculations.

watermark.silverchair.com

#414 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-05-29 04:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Plaquenil is the name, and it's rarely prescribed for malaria as a prophylaxis.
Hee'are the CDC's recommendations:

Atovaquone/Proguanil (Malarone)
Chloroquine (not hydroxychloquine, and not Plaquenil)
Doxycycline
Mefloquine
Primaquine
Tafenoquine (ArakodaTM)

www.cdc.gov
www.medscape.com

Not to mention Chloroquine resistant malaria is prevalent in Kenya and Tanzania, and most of Africa, so it's not a wise choice. The choices by country may be found here:

www.cdc.gov

Who's your outfitter for the Safari, Dix? I am familiar with several in including one very nice private provider.

#415 | Posted by YAV at 2020-05-29 04:04 PM | Reply

"has there ever been a vaccine for an RNA virus?"

Ever been to the Salk Institute?
Ever wonder why Salk is famous?

#416 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-29 04:04 PM | Reply

You will see that Risch writes:

"There is a small chance that it may not work."

#417 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-05-29 04:05 PM | Reply

I'm *essential*
#409 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

You are hysterical.
#406 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

It makes its own gravy!

#418 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-29 04:08 PM | Reply

Sounds like Risch is asking, "What have you got to lose?" and is concluding, "For most people, not much":

Until we have quantitative evidence for the utility and safety of other medications for preventing hospitalization and mortality in high-risk Covid-19 outpatients, the urgency of current mass mortality requires an immediate application of the best that we have available, even if knowledge is imperfect and even if yet unproven to the standards of doubleblinded RCTs. This problem will get even worse as states and cities yield to the acute pressure at this moment to begin lifting stay-at-home restrictions and even more people become infected. Some people will have contraindications and will need other agents for treatment or to remain in isolation.

#419 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-05-29 04:09 PM | Reply

Why would anyone argue with a rightwinger about taking HCQ?

I think they should all take as much of it as they can, and add some clorox for added effectiveness.

#420 | Posted by JOE at 2020-05-29 04:13 PM | Reply

Risch is also relying on predictions of continuing high death tolls as a reason for using these drugs without waiting for the outcome of ongoing trials:

"For the earliest trial, between now and September, assuming a flat epidemic curve of 10,000 deaths per week, I estimate that approximately 180,000 more deaths will occur in the US before the trial results are known. The CDC has estimated substantially greater numbers of deaths (22). In this context, we cannot afford the luxury of perfect knowledge and must evaluate, now and on an ongoing basis, the evidence for benefit and risk of these medications (23)."

Very un-Trumpian in this regard.

#421 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-05-29 04:15 PM | Reply

Gal - PDF won't load.
Here's the actual paper he submitted, with his conflict of interest statement:
academic.oup.com

Just click on the PDF icon (middle far-left, or the larger PDF icon in the bottom-middle.

#422 | Posted by YAV at 2020-05-29 04:19 PM | Reply

What a shame we can't do what Japan did. So simple.

#423 | Posted by YAV at 2020-05-29 04:20 PM | Reply

Just remember, police bought Dylan Roof Burger King after be murdered 9 people.

George Floyd was accused of forgery.

#424 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2020-05-29 05:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#424 - So f**ked up. So seriously f**ked up.

#425 | Posted by YAV at 2020-05-29 05:14 PM | Reply

www.facebook.com

#426 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-29 05:31 PM | Reply

Glass bottle + gasoline + rag + flame.

Be the light in the world that you wish to see.

#427 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2020-05-29 05:43 PM | Reply

I'm *essential*
#409 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

Of course you are!

Only *essential* people have enough leisure time to post nonsense here all day.

#428 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-05-29 09:05 PM | Reply

#427 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood Bring it, I will LMAO as you catch a few stray bullets from the police. Simple rule, throw a Malakakoff cocktail expect to get shot. That is the actual law.

#429 | Posted by docnjo at 2020-05-29 09:11 PM | Reply

#385 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

I've met plenty of doctors who are complete idiots.

#430 | Posted by jpw at 2020-05-29 09:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#430 - that's for damn sure. I'm still curious who recommended a chloroquine medication for a Safari trip in Africa.

#431 | Posted by YAV at 2020-05-29 09:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#429 | POSTED BY DOCNJO

You misspelled a lot of words there when you were trying to type "you couldn't drag me anywhere near an event like this because I'm a psss pants bttch so I have fantasize about other people who post here getting killed by the police."

#432 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2020-05-30 05:13 AM | Reply

#432 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood No, those are facts. Throw a Malakakoff cocktail, you have committed a felony, assault with a deadly weapon or arson, and cops have the duty to stop you. Deadly force is authorized to prevent additional assaults or to apprehend the offender. The bad guy is the one throwing a IED. Hell's bells it is a felony to make a Malakakoff cocktail, as some Antifa found out the hard way.

#433 | Posted by docnjo at 2020-05-30 09:52 AM | Reply

those are facts.

#433 | POSTED BY DOCNJO

I'm well aware that you will be home slow jerking it to the thought of the jackboots shooting me.

That's why I posted it.

No need to reaffirm.

#434 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2020-05-30 09:54 AM | Reply

#434 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood, Dream on, you don't even register on my radar. Of course I would not be surprised if you decided to use an IED or a gun on the police.

#435 | Posted by docnjo at 2020-05-30 12:04 PM | Reply

I wonder if the protesters would be placated if the cops or the Army shot a few white people.

I say aim for the ones in the black hoodies.

#436 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-05-30 12:42 PM | Reply

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