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Saturday, May 30, 2020

Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz (D) announced Saturday that he was "fully" mobilizing the National Guard to help control the violent unrest that followed peaceful protests over the death of George Floyd while in police custody.

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"Evidence suggests they are both correct."

Not on this site.

#1 | Posted by HanoverFist at 2020-05-30 05:12 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Antifa?

I love when this boogeyman is brought out by the right wing.

#2 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-05-30 05:21 PM | Reply

Ooh, Antifa!

That's a blast from the past.

Has ACORN been reached for comment?

#3 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-30 05:31 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Governor Walz says outsiders have been agitating violence that is 'no longer in any way about the murder of George Floyd'.

^
Crisis Actors!

#4 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-30 05:32 PM | Reply

Barr and Trump say nothing of the white supremacy groups involved trying to kick off the boogaloo they're dying to start. They put it all on "left" groups, choosing to politicize this as much as possible.

Then Trump follows up with threats of ultimate violence against ALL the protesters, and lies about 80% of them being from out of state.

Trump and Barr are scum.

#5 | Posted by YAV at 2020-05-30 06:16 PM | Reply

2-5

I win.

#6 | Posted by HanoverFist at 2020-05-30 07:23 PM | Reply

Has ACORN been reached for comment?

#3 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

I miss the Caravans Of Doom.

#7 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-05-30 07:33 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Just GO HOME!
youtu.be
If the DNC had half a brain, and they don't, this would be Biden's VP pick, not Stacy Abrams. why does the DNC hate democrats so much?

#8 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2020-05-30 07:37 PM | Reply

I win.
#6 | POSTED BY HANOVERFIST

America loses.

#9 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-05-30 07:39 PM | Reply

Has the [...] orange ----------- followed through on his threat to start shooting yet?

#10 | Posted by Reinheitsgebot at 2020-05-30 07:39 PM | Reply

Has the [...] orange ----------- followed through on his threat to start shooting yet?

Trump doesn't do anything. He's got patsies.

Currently, he's waiting for his mouth breathing supporters to do it.

#11 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-05-30 07:42 PM | Reply

I win.

You win?
You mean the people that spoke truth, which you call a lie, spoke out and called your lie for what it is?
Well that's just a stupid kind of "win."

Let's recap:
Authorities are trying to determine if people arrested have ties to white supremacists, Walz said.
Police haven't yet released information about who was arrested, which is under scrutiny
...President Trump blamed "ANTIFA and the Radical Left"

You:
"Evidence suggests they are both correct."

And where did that appear in the article or from any official's mouth?
That's right - no where.
That came from Sentinel.

So no. Evidence does not yet suggest "both are correct."

#12 | Posted by YAV at 2020-05-30 08:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

looters need to go home.

the Cops has been charged and the protesters aren't around any more.

Soldiers aren't trained to arrest but kill.

#13 | Posted by Tor at 2020-05-30 10:45 PM | Reply

Looters aren't welcome by anyone.

Protesters are around - they're all over, in city after city, and thank goodness for them all.
We need more protesters, not less.

Soldier's aren't allowed to kill us, and they aren't allowed to arrest us. There's something called Posse Comitatus that prevents that.

#14 | Posted by YAV at 2020-05-30 11:05 PM | Reply

The soldiers have been mobilized by the governor. Like it or not yes they can kill.

#15 | Posted by Tor at 2020-05-30 11:30 PM | Reply

#15 how long do you think people can live under the threat of death at any moment? how many of those soldiers signed up to kill people to protect the local target store?

People just want to be heard and assured the police won't kill them any more. If that doesn't happen, this will just get worse. Blaming the protesters is wrong. This was started and amped up by the cops and race war people.

#16 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-05-30 11:55 PM | Reply

"#15 how long do you think people can live under the threat of death at any moment?"

For black people?
Their whole lives.

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-31 12:07 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Soldier's aren't allowed to kill us, and they aren't allowed to arrest us. There's something called Posse Comitatus that prevents that.

#14 | POSTED BY YAV

I was wondering how all the talk of military involvement was going to be legally justified.

Now I realize in the age of Trump they could simply do it and not worry about that.

But I can't imagine officers or even many of the enlisted men being keen on action against citizens.

#18 | Posted by jpw at 2020-05-31 01:09 AM | Reply

@PhilipRucker

Just in from @JoeBiden: "We are a nation in pain, but we must not allow this pain to destroy us. We are a nation enraged, but we cannot allow our rage to consume us. We are a nation exhausted, but we will not allow our exhaustion to defeat us."

John Lewis @repjohnlewis

I know your pain, your rage, your sense of despair and hopelessness. Justice has, indeed, been denied for far too long. Rioting, looting, and burning is not the way. Organize. Demonstrate. Sit-in. Stand-up. Vote. Be constructive, not destructive.

#19 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-05-31 03:25 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"People just want to be heard and assured the police won't kill them any more."

They won't be heard.

White kids from the suburbs dressed in black hoodies have made sure of that.

#20 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-05-31 07:30 AM | Reply

"But I can't imagine officers or even many of the enlisted men being keen on action against citizens."

Not until someone throws a molotov cocktail at them.

Soldiers are trained to defeat an adversary by killing them. I think that the vast majority empathize with the black protesters. I know I do. But I would beat the holy living ---- out of any white kid in a black hoodie. I know that's stereotyping, but these people have completely drown out the message and intent of the protesters. They've burned their neighborhoods, shut down their businesses. How does that help anyone.

Maybe the cops can level the bubble a bit and shoot some white kids in black hoodies. I think most here would agree that, if it were black people doing this in white neighborhoods, they'd be getting shot.

#21 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-05-31 07:36 AM | Reply

Soldiers aren't just trained to kill. In war, prisoners of war have rights under the Geneva Convention.

Yes. This is not a war, but if citizens are looters, arsonists, vandals, etc, if they surrender, they should be taken and imprisoned until the end of hostilities.
That's what soldiers do understand.

This is a civilian uprising. Is military or civil law the correct application.

In civilian, if you dont surrender, you get a arrested.
In military, if you dont surrender, you're either subdued or killed.

Does anyone really want citizens shot? No, of course not. Do they want to get shot? I'm guessing no.

But, escalation is met with escalation. Even the police can increase response on increased action.

Hopefully things de-escalate before an accident or an on purpose happens.

#22 | Posted by Petrous at 2020-05-31 09:03 AM | Reply

But, escalation is met with escalation. Even the police can increase response on increased action.

That works two ways.

All peaceful last night until the police and military showed up. They were determined to enforce the curfew, no matter what. That didn't work out well.

Like Chile when I was there last year. Peaceful protests, then the police showed up, killed and injured people with rubber bullets. One person was killed when the rubber bullet entered through their eye socket, or so it was reported (autopsy) in the press.

After that buildings burned. The police became the enemy - of 90% of all Chileans. The police finally disappeared from the protests.

The burning stopped (except for 55 gallon drums, and trash in the middle of the streets, and small bonfires where no damage would result), and the protests continued, with amazing bands, music, speeches. Businesses opened up.

On my way back, middle of December last year, 10-midnight, you could walk downtown Santiago, hear the protests, watch them march, hear the music, all while sitting outside at a swank cafe enjoying a snack, or ice cream.

My heart is still with the people of Chile.

#23 | Posted by YAV at 2020-05-31 09:30 AM | Reply

sorry Petrous, meant to give your point more emphasis. Just to be clear!

#24 | Posted by YAV at 2020-05-31 09:32 AM | Reply

In all fairness, Yav, I've come to the conclusion that USans might be the dumbest people on the planet.

#25 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-05-31 09:43 AM | Reply

#25 - Understood.
I wish I had softened my response on the Ozark thread to you.

#26 | Posted by YAV at 2020-05-31 09:55 AM | Reply

"They've burned their neighborhoods"

They're poor. They dont own their houses. The McDonalds down the street is probably owned by some white suburbanite. It isn't their neighborhood, it's some bank or business man's neighborhood. That's part of the problem

#27 | Posted by dibblda at 2020-05-31 10:01 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Yav, thanks. I appreciate your view.

Tell me, why have a curfew that isn't enforced?

Curfews are going up as cities know that people not on the streets means no destruction. I don't like curbing protest, but we know the bad element is coming with it, not within it.

If a curfew is wise, who enforces it and how many enforcers do you use?

If you're peacefully protesting then respect the curfew. By leaving, the only curfew breakers are the bad elements.

#28 | Posted by Petrous at 2020-05-31 10:02 AM | Reply

It's unfortunate that the original embedded tweet, which showed a black protester telling off a white Antifa thug, was removed.

#29 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-31 10:14 AM | Reply

Members of the press are exempt from the curfew in Minneapolis, yet video after video shows them being attacked and shot at by police without provocation and being told to leave.

It's hard not to think that Trump's constant demonization of the press has contributed to this in some way. I've seen many protests and riots in my life and cannot recall the media being treated like we live in a third world country. If this were happening somewhere else the US would be calling for regime change.

#30 | Posted by JOE at 2020-05-31 10:32 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Petrous - Tell me, why have a curfew that isn't enforced?

I don't agree with the curfew, but if you're going to have one it's to get the majority of the folks off the street. You can then judiciously deal with those that are still out. Having said that, the way it's enforced matters. The motivation for why the curfew is implemented matters. The reason communicated to those tasked with enforcing it matters.

Also, the Press is not part of the curfew order, yet the MPD and Nat Guard attacked.

Check this out - from Gal - on another thread. Unmute the volume:

twitter.com

#31 | Posted by YAV at 2020-05-31 10:32 AM | Reply

I agree the media shouldn't be arrested and shot at and etc. I do expect the media to move if asked. I heard the CNN folks saying that they'd move and, if I heard right, asking.

If the media is told to move and dont, then they are creating a hazard. I didnt see them doing that.

#32 | Posted by Petrous at 2020-05-31 01:46 PM | Reply

I didn't see them committing any wrong.

#33 | Posted by Petrous at 2020-05-31 01:47 PM | Reply

I hope you're not talking about the video in #31.
According to all the officials, the curfew said nothing about having to be completely inside your house. In fact, the curfew states 'during that time (curfew) all people "must not travel on any public street or in any public place." That's it.

In fact, the FAQ on the curfew states explicitly:
Can I be outside my house (on my property) after 8 p.m. and before 6 a.m.?
Yes.

dps.mn.gov

So what happened in that video never should have happened. The military/police were way, way out of line.

#34 | Posted by YAV at 2020-05-31 02:01 PM | Reply

"If the media is told to move and dont, then they are creating a hazard."

So, police can just tell you to move? What about freedom?

#35 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-31 05:29 PM | Reply

"So, police can just tell you to move?"

Yes, they can, and if you don't they can arrest you for it. That is what civil disobedience, and accepting the legal consequences of it, is all about.

#36 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-31 06:50 PM | Reply

"Yes, they can, and if you don't they can arrest you for it."

On what grounds?

If it's a protest, we have the right to peaceably assemble.

#37 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-01 02:07 PM | Reply

In a public space? Sorry, you need a permit for that. Not to mention at least 17 states still have stay-at-home orders going.

#38 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-06-01 02:42 PM | Reply

"In a public space? Sorry, you need a permit for that."

Serious question, Sitzkrieg:
Does that sound like a free country to you?

#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-01 04:00 PM | Reply

It sounds free*.

#40 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-06-01 05:00 PM | Reply

It is not peaceable assembly if you are breaking laws to do it, such as blocking traffic, breaking an emergency curfew, trespassing or throwing objects at other people.

#41 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-06-01 09:57 PM | Reply

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