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Sunday, May 31, 2020

Law enforcement credentials once offered an appealing and protective sheen to a handful of the top prospects in contention to be Joe Biden's potential running mate. But three of those candidates -- Sen. Kamala Harris, Rep. Val Demings and, most notably, Sen. Amy Klobuchar -- now find their records under new scrutiny in a presidential race transformed in the wake of national outrage surrounding George Floyd's death.

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This is unfortunate, since I thought Klobuchar was Biden's best pick to grab votes in the Midwest.

#1 | Posted by leftcoastlawyer at 2020-05-31 05:07 PM | Reply

Klobuchar was Biden's best pick to grab racist white votes in the Midwest.

But now it's clearly going to cost him votes elsewhere.

Why not just stick with Trump, if Klobuchar is where Biden stands on racist pigs?

#2 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-31 05:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

6 months to the election.

This will go away. COVID-19 will not.

#3 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-05-31 05:21 PM | Reply

I don't want to see any more cops or lawyers in charge. They're just weapons of oppression. None of them used their office to do anything but increase unfairness.

#4 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-05-31 05:23 PM | Reply

Possibly knocks Senator Harris down a rung in the VP race as well.

Duckworth ascending?

#5 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2020-05-31 06:23 PM | Reply

Keisha Lance Bottoms

#6 | Posted by rhet at 2020-05-31 08:08 PM | Reply

Val Demings.

#7 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-05-31 08:33 PM | Reply

#7 No more cops who run departments where they have that kind of violence. It wouldn't sit well with me, and I'm sure the left wouldn't like it either.

#8 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-05-31 09:44 PM | Reply

#6 I agree 110%. That lady has earned my respect.

#9 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2020-05-31 10:10 PM | Reply

#1 Hardly anyone in the midwest even knows who she is. The midwest is massive and is not a monoculture.

#10 | Posted by JOE at 2020-05-31 10:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Klob didn't do very well in the MN primary...

#11 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-05-31 10:15 PM | Reply

He should nominate Hillary.

Just get it done with.

#12 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-05-31 10:15 PM | Reply

"Hardly anyone in the midwest even knows who she is."

Really? She did run for POTUS, did you forget that?

#13 | Posted by leftcoastlawyer at 2020-05-31 10:18 PM | Reply

#12 who would you choose?

#14 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-05-31 10:22 PM | Reply

She did run for POTUS, did you forget that?

You're assuming people paid attention?

You forget. Not that many people pay attention to politics.

#15 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-05-31 10:24 PM | Reply

I love how the (R)tards are claiming who would be the best VP pick for Biden.
None of you troglodytes are voting for Biden and whomever he chooses.
You are voting for your racist Orange Fuhrer, end of story. So let's stop pretending that you Trumphumpers know what you are talking about.

#16 | Posted by a_monson at 2020-05-31 10:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I feel like so many here ignore the lessons of history. The leaders who realize the most dramatic change are almost always the same ones who opposed that very change before the times - and hopefully a sense of reality - brought them to change their position.

Example number one - Lyndon Johnson - the former Dixiecrat - became the champion of civil rights legislation enshrined during his tumultuous tenure as President. No one would have predicted that before the people and the times necessitated the change.

Example number two - Richard Nixon - the avowed life long anti-communist - was the one able to approach China and start the process of normalizing our relationship with the world's most populous nation. His now famous cliche was "Only Nixon could go to China" meaning that his anti-communist bonafides gave him the political protection necessary to make the move without a concerted backlash from his own anti-communist factions within the US government.

Now, I believe that Joe Biden's hand has been forced to choose a VP who has a strong background in law enforcement because it's obvious that a major wave of nationally-led, systemic criminal justice reform has to be realized. So to me, I think this reality further solidifies that Kamala Harris will be his likely pick and that she will take the day-to-day point on the needed CJR without being labeled a bleeding heart or someone who is soft on crime. But I also believe that she would be a sincere leader from the Executive Branch who has the credibility to implement the cultural changes needed in law enforcement while still believing in the fair prosecution of crime and criminals while still having a solid history of supporting those who do.

Of course the voices and ideas of outside critics and reformers should carry equal weight, but when a former insider is leading a massive systemic change there is far less bad faith opposition than there would be toward someone who wasn't personally experienced in the systems that they are trying to change.

#17 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-05-31 10:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I love how the (R)tards are claiming who would be the best VP pick for Biden.
None of you troglodytes are voting for Biden and whomever he chooses.
You are voting for your racist Orange Fuhrer, end of story. So let's stop pretending that you Trumphumpers know what you are talking about.

#18 | Posted by a_monson at 2020-05-31 10:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#17. Dude! That is exactly the opposite. You don't want Kamala the Narc in there. You need someone who has been fighting for criminal justice reform.

#19 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-05-31 10:56 PM | Reply

Biden today in Wilmington talking to the peeps. Someone says, "Save us." Someone else responds, "Yeah, save us. Please." "You got my vote."

twitter.com

Also Biden today talking to a father and son on the street:

We are a nation in pain right now, but we must not allow this pain to destroy us.

As President, I will help lead this conversation--and more importantly, I will listen, just as I did today visiting the site of last night's protests in Wilmington.

twitter.com

#20 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-05-31 11:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#6 I agree 110%. That lady has earned my respect.
#9 | POSTED BY GRACIEAMAZED

This lady?

"The 2018 United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) Report advises that we have until 2030 to mount a viable and vigorous defense against climate change, or risk catastrophic consequences. These effects are already being felt in Atlanta, where the average temperature has risen by nearly two degrees Fahrenheit between 1980 and 2015. To meet this challenge, the City of Atlanta is committed to a visionary plan for an equitable and resilient future. We call it Clean Energy Atlanta, a mitigation strategy and action-oriented plan unanimously adopted by the Atlanta City Council in March 2019."
~Keisha Lance bottoms

Good to see you on board.

#21 | Posted by REDIAL at 2020-05-31 11:15 PM | Reply

Eric Swalwell @ericswalwell

Protestors are asking to take pictures with @JoeBiden. Because? They know he sees them. He hears them. He respects them. He's not hiding in a bunker. #BlackLivesMatter

twitter.com

#22 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-05-31 11:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

He came out of the bunker and actually strung a sentence together? Dementia patients have good days and bad ones. Must have been a good day.

#23 | Posted by willowby at 2020-05-31 11:18 PM | Reply

Good. They all suck anyways.

Pick Liz Warren Joe, then let her run the country while your nurse feeds you applesauce.

#24 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-05-31 11:50 PM | Reply

Liz the old, white, former Republican? Hard pass. Somebody dust off Beto and get that hispanic-ish vote. Or Yang. Or Gabbard.

#25 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-06-01 09:27 AM | Reply

Yang would be cool.

#26 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-06-01 10:08 AM | Reply

Tony, I missed your first sentence and I see what you're saying now, but my mind recoils at that logic. Let's be honest here, those women never expressed interest in reform. They were among the worst offenders.

#27 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-06-01 10:09 AM | Reply

Biden is the man for the future. Not Trump.

#28 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-06-01 10:10 AM | Reply

Tony, I missed your first sentence and I see what you're saying now, but my mind recoils at that logic.

Then you're recoiling from historical facts. Lincoln was not an abolitionist, but he issued the decree that legislatively freed the slaves. Barack Obama was not in public favor of gay marriage, but he welcomed the SCOTUS ruling as a "victory" when it occurred and made sure the federal government would no longer support cases against the practice.

The logic is that just because you feel strongly about particular injustices there still is a not insignificant amount of the public who support the status quo. When you have someone from that camp who then takes the lead in systemic and meaningful change, they cannot be attacked by those who oppose said change in the way that someone who was never in that camp will be.

And here's the point you're missing: Harris has already spoken out about the need for major CJR, recognizing the very same problems that you and I see even though she was a part of and a participant in the corrupt system before in her past. This gives her more credibility about the need for reform with those most reluctant to change.

And the reformers then can embrace a former law enforcement official as an ally who's crossed over to join their ranks, adding considerable heft and credibility to their already favored stances.

#29 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-06-01 10:30 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Or Gabbard.

#25 | Posted by sitzkrieg

One russian stooge in the white house was enough.

#30 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-06-01 11:49 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Klobuchar was Biden's best pick to grab racist white votes in the Midwest.
But now it's clearly going to cost him votes elsewhere.
Why not just stick with Trump, if Klobuchar is where Biden stands on racist pigs?

#2 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Klobuchar is awful. She's from my home state and is frankly an elite, awful human being. She represents everything wrong with the Democratic Party. She's elitist and treats her staff like garbage. There are a lot of insanely good Democrats in Minnesota who are frankly genuinely amazing people. Klobuchar is not among them.

Collin Peterson is awfully Conservative for a Democratic but one of the nicest, most caring guys you could EVER imagine. I swear he knows everyone in the district my first name.

But it's Paul Marquart who they should try to replace Klobuchar with in Minnesota. He's from Out State Minnesota but he's smart, campaigns well, and is just genuinely a nice guy who everyone likes. And even Republicans like him.

#31 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-06-01 01:14 PM | Reply

You're good with it. You voted for Jill last time.

#32 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-06-01 01:19 PM | Reply

I am frankly not sure who he should pick. I do know I am not a huge fan of Harris, Klobuchar, or for that matter Whitmer being on the ticket. The first two I just don't like. Whitmer, she seems to enjoy poking back too much - but that might make here a good pick. Honestly though, we don't need more divisiveness in the office.

#33 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2020-06-01 01:46 PM | Reply

Frankly if he wants to win I think he should pick someone who wasn't in the presidential primary. They all damaged each other and those who didn't get many votes came out looking like losers. A non-candidate would be a fresh face that could deliver some energy to the campaign.

I think Gov. Whitmer would fit the bill as a midwestern leader. Stacy Abrams is probably also on his short list, and Tammy Duckworth should be too.

Ideologically I align closest with Elizabeth Warren, but I question her authenticity and commitment to progressive reforms in light of her repeated failures to endorse Sanders, and she has made it clear she's an inept politician by falling for Trump's bait and taking a DNA test, so I'm not sure she'd be a wise pick.

#34 | Posted by JOE at 2020-06-01 02:02 PM | Reply

That wasn't "taking the bait". That was showing leadership on the issue.

She just didn't have any skepticism of her family claims despite native bloodline claims to be a common, persistent racist myth in America. That bit her.

#35 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-06-01 02:11 PM | Reply

Every time she stepped up to show leadership it backfired. It was really painful to watch.

#36 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-06-01 02:11 PM | Reply

Not as painful as watching Trump's leadership.

#37 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-01 02:20 PM | Reply

That wasn't "taking the bait". That was showing leadership on the issue.

There was no need to "show leadership" on racebaiting by a troll.

There was even less need for her to make the results public when they essentially allowed him to disingenuously round her claim of ancestry down to zero.

The entire ordeal betrayed an appalling lack of modern-day political sensibility on the part of Warren.

#38 | Posted by JOE at 2020-06-01 02:25 PM | Reply

She felt their was. Had she not believed her own -------- it would have worked too.

When she really failed was blowing off black moms demanding charter school and lying to their faces.

#39 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-06-01 02:59 PM | Reply

I am now increasingly interested in seeing who Biden will choose. I mean he will get my vote no matter who he chooses, but I can easily see him choosing either a progressive like Warren, or go the opposite direction and choose a law enforcement supporter like Harris. We are about to gain some insight into Biden.

#40 | Posted by moder8 at 2020-06-01 03:13 PM | Reply

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Do you have a question for them? Fill out the form below for a chance to participate! If selected, an MSNBC producer will reach out with detailed instructions.

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#41 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-06-01 04:28 PM | Reply

She felt their was.

And I'm criticizing that judgment, dummy.

#42 | Posted by JOE at 2020-06-01 05:25 PM | Reply

Meh that's hindsight. Had it worked out she wouldn't have sunk herself on the next two flops.

#43 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-06-01 06:05 PM | Reply

Had it worked out

She didn't have to disclose the results once she saw what they said, idiot. Doing so was a terrible political judgment call.

#44 | Posted by JOE at 2020-06-01 07:40 PM | Reply

lol. You believe they could have kept it under wraps? Young man, go home. You've lost your mind.

#45 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-06-02 10:32 AM | Reply

Your politics are also disgusting. Hide the truth. You're a Trump voter pretending to be a Democrat.

#46 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-06-02 10:33 AM | Reply

You don't think a private individual can take a DNA test without releasing the results to the world? You're clueless.

#47 | Posted by JOE at 2020-06-02 11:02 AM | Reply

And i find your accusation in #46 insulting. I would never, ever vote for Trump. He is the most disgusting human being imagineable.

#48 | Posted by JOE at 2020-06-02 11:03 AM | Reply

It would definitely be leaked or hacked.

You're advocating hiding the truth because it was politically inconvenient. Trumper.

#49 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-06-02 11:14 AM | Reply

Damn, just found this which was published this morning. Wonder if this author reads the Retort?

Biden's vice presidential choice just got simpler. He needs Kamala Harris or Val Demings.

Published 5AM ET June 2, 2020

... Biden, Harris and Demings all have said in recent years that they own guns. And all three have changed with the country as news coverage, cellphones and social media have exposed and spotlighted tragic inequities in policing and criminal justice.

'Nixon to China' on race and police?

Would a black woman on the Democratic ticket scare white voters? Or would this pair's law-and-order credentials be a reassuring neutralizer? Would those credentials turn off black voters, or would the choice of Harris or Demings turn them out? It's impossible to say.

What's indisputable, however, is that the greatest leaps forward sometimes come from unlikely people. There's a reason "Nixon to China" has become a clich. Richard Nixon was a notoriously anti-communist Cold Warrior " yet in 1972, as president, his historic trip to China put the two nations on the road to normalized relations.

#50 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-06-02 11:19 AM | Reply

#49 No, I don't think she should have bothered taking a DNA test in the first place. But if she did, she definitely should have done so in a way that could not have been leaked because anything less than probably an eighth Native American would have obviously been pounced on by Trump and used against her. This is basic politics, Trumper.

#51 | Posted by JOE at 2020-06-02 11:47 AM | Reply

"Then you're recoiling from historical facts. Lincoln was not an abolitionist, but he issued the decree"

Your logic would mean Lincoln would have to have been a vicious slave owner. (I mean vicious relatively)

#52 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-06-02 01:01 PM | Reply

#51 | POSTED BY JOE AT 2020-06-02 11:47 AM | FLAG:

Do everything but show leadership and accept consequences when it doesn't go your way.

Trump is your man.

#53 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-06-02 02:35 PM | Reply

You really don't want a leader. You want a politician. That's why we have Trump to begin with.

#54 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-06-02 02:36 PM | Reply

#17. Dude! That is exactly the opposite. You don't want Kamala the Narc in there. You need someone who has been fighting for criminal justice reform.

#19 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-05-31 10:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

The "Kamala is a Narc" meme was created by Russians and pushed by Russian bots. They did so in support of Tulsi Gabbard by the way. Early in the primary season the Harris campaign was the top target of Russian bots, which suggests they knew how good of a candidate she would be against Dotard. The fact is that Senator Harris did her job as an ADA, she prosecuted sex offenders, I'm sure you didn't want her to go easy on the scum of earth did you? She was also a reformer while she was a DA and later as California AG. She can point to a pretty impressive record of reform (check her website), at a time when there were not a lot of reformers running for AG or DA. We need her smarts and her ability to make reforms, she is exactly what we need at this time. She has also co-sponsored some progressive bills in response to the pandemic, and was across the street from the WH with the protesters a night or two ago.

Considering Joe's age, he needs to pick somebody who could assume the Presidency at a moment's notice, and considering the challenges ahead of the next POTUS, they need to be ready to hit the ground running. That eliminates Stacy Abrams and Val Demmings. I love these women, both are smart, and very articulate but I don't think either is ready to run the country. I'd love to see Demmings challenge Rubio in 2022. The VP nominee also must be at least a minority, and more likely African American, so no Klobishar or Warren. Joe needs to motivate the black vote in the mid-west and a black VP candidate would do that. I supported Harris as the Dem nominee and I would be ecstatic with her as the VP pick. A brilliant mind, articulate, hard edged when necessary, asks all the right questions. I could see her dicing up Pence in the VP debate, and then eviscerating Don Jr., or Pompeo, or Cotton, or whoever the unlucky GOP nominee is in 2024. I think Joe's next best choice would be Susan Rice.

#55 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2020-06-02 07:05 PM | Reply

You really don't want a leader. You want a politician. That's why we have Trump to begin with.

No, i want to win. And that starts with a competent politician, not someone who plays into Trump's hand like a starving dog.

#56 | Posted by JOE at 2020-06-02 09:55 PM | Reply

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