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Monday, June 01, 2020

New research indicates that extreme protest tactics tend to undermine a movement's popular support in the United States by alienating both neutral observers and supporters. The findings have been published in the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology.

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... New research indicates that extreme protest tactics tend to undermine a movement's popular support ...

They needed to research this?

#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-05-31 07:49 PM | Reply

Of course, that's why the cops work so hard to turn the protests violent. It's like profanity. Once you start the cursing, folks tend to not listen to what you're saying.

#2 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2020-05-31 08:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

That explains why the cops make them violent.

#3 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-05-31 09:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

@#2, #3

I'm not yet convinced I would go as far to say that the police work to make the protests violent.

In some instances, I would agree, but not all, or even most.

What I will say, based upon the video I've seen (in the current and other incidents), is that the police sometimes do not use tactics to de-escalate a volatile situation. Instead they react with a disproportionate level of force that escalates the situation.

The following is the important part in my view... is that disproportionate level of force based upon training or the over-response of the individual.

If it is the latter, then we need to figure out how those types of individuals got onto the police force, and fix that problem.

If it is the former, then the training needs to change.

So far, cases of police over-use of force that have made it through the courts seem to show the problem as training, which is why so few police officers are ever convicted for their acts.

At this point, though, I have to say, my main question is: why are we training our police force to act in this manner?

#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-05-31 09:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

...why are we training our police force to act in this manner?
#4 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

You already answered that...

... New research indicates that extreme protest tactics tend to undermine a movement's popular support ...
#1 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

#5 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2020-06-01 04:45 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Unjustified/indiscriminate murder does not get to define morals or effectiveness.

#6 | Posted by fresno500 at 2020-06-01 08:51 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What we're seeing now is exactly what happened during the consulate attacks in Benghazi. There are two distinctly different things going on simultaneously: 1) Protesters expressing their grievances over a specific issue or set of issues; and 2) Criminal elements taking advantage of the demonstrations to enact their own agendas to either commit vandalism and destruction (anarchy) under the cover of the non-participatory protesters or to intentionally try to bring harm to those trying to keep the peace or protect the property the criminal element threaten.

Protests don't lead to violence in and of themselves unless those projecting violence and chaos choose to for their own ends unrelated to the principled reasons that fueled the need to protest.

#7 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-06-01 08:53 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Yeah, but dumb people that just want to steal don't read studies.

www.kmov.com

#8 | Posted by Brennnn at 2020-06-01 08:54 AM | Reply

"I'm not yet convinced I would go as far to say that the police work to make the protests violent."

Without trying to sound dismissive, it is simply a fact.

#9 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-06-01 08:54 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Little more of a grey area than that. Police technology has marched towards less violent, mass arrest based solutions. Shield wall tactics & vehicles, proliferation of non-lethal pepper balls, water cannons, infiltration tactics of the tiny groups in protests like Black Bloc that deserve no sympathy from peaceful protesters.

We are in the country that once unleashed Douglas McArthur and George Patton with M1917 tank cavalry, supported by an infantry charge with fixed bayonets after an adamsite bombardment, on protesters and burned their camps down. ---- does get way, way worse.

#10 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-06-01 09:07 AM | Reply

Police policy is to start violence as an excuse for more violence. That's been the case for many years.

#11 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-06-01 09:20 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I've had many interactions with police and never had any start violence with me. Time for everybody to take a chill pill and listen to Killer Mike. At this point, Killer Mike for President.

#12 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-06-01 09:30 AM | Reply

#12 I have many family members and friends who are police and they enjoy sharing stories about the culture of violence. Killer Mike is an idiot who needs to stfu and apologize for doing nra propaganda videos.

#13 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-06-01 09:36 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Ahh, condemnation by anecdote, and belligerent to a voice of peace. Nice.

#14 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-06-01 09:46 AM | Reply

#14 you also used anecdote but my reality is such that you must be lying.

Peace? You're suggesting vast swaths of ordinary Americans are primed for violence even as they protest for peace.

Your logic is weak af.

#15 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-06-01 09:48 AM | Reply

Your ignorance is not the same as my knowledge Sitz.

This is recent history and shame on you for not remembering or educating yourself. You're part of the problem.

#16 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-06-01 09:50 AM | Reply

A simple wiki will bring up major incidents and there are many many more stories like this. It's simply a fact and not a "discussion"

United States Edit
In the United States, the COINTELPRO program of the Federal Bureau of Investigation included FBI agents posing as political activists to disrupt the activities of political groups in the U.S., such as the Ku Klux Klan, Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee, and the American Indian Movement.

New York City police officers were accused of acting as agents provocateurs during protests against the 2004 Republican National Convention in New York City.[4]

Denver police officers were also alleged to have used undercover detectives to instigate violence against police during the 2008 Democratic National Convention.[5]

Also in New York City, an undercover motorcycle police officer was convicted of and sentenced to two years in prison in 2015 for second-degree assault, coercion, riot and criminal mischief after an incident at a motorcycle rally. In 2013, the officer, Wojciech Braszczok, was investigating motorcyclists by blending in with a crowd during the rally; at some point another motorcyclist was hit by a motorist, Alexian Lien. Braszczok is later seen on video breaking a window to Lien's car and assaulting him with others in the crowd. His actions were immediately investigated by the NYPD and he ended up facing charges along with other members of the rally. Braszczok was eventually convicted on some of the charges laid, and received two years in prison.[6]

-wiki

#17 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-06-01 09:51 AM | Reply

You're part of the problem.

#16 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER AT 2020-06-01 09:50 AM | FLAG:

Pot, meet kettle.

The FBI also talks people into blowing stuff up and gives them the bomb to do it, then arrests them.

#18 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-06-01 09:53 AM | Reply

People are more willing to believe their neighbors, asking for peace, are violent, than they are willing to accept that the police who are on record for killing thousands, are violent.

#19 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-06-01 09:54 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#18 yes. That's my point. It's an institutional mechanism. You know it. Why pretend it doesn't exist?

#20 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-06-01 09:55 AM | Reply

Why pretend it doesn't exist?

#20 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER AT 2020-06-01 09:55 AM | FLAG:

I listed it up above. I was contrasting it against the fact they simply used to use tanks and bayonet charges to displace protesters before burning all their stuff down. Thank would be like Trump unleashing Major Gen. Matlock and 1st Armored to drive people off the Washington Mall.

#21 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-06-01 10:01 AM | Reply

Be happy we are not there, yet. Listen to voices like Killer Mike. Go home, use your real political power. The people going out and burning stuff down are the same demographic that doesn't even show up to vote.

#22 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-06-01 10:02 AM | Reply

I missed that point, thanks. I really agree the emotion needs to be captured and turned into voting.

#23 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-06-01 10:20 AM | Reply

I disagree Sitz. They do vote. Problem is, they expect things to change by voting in the same people on the city councils, the State legislators, and Fed.

Look at their elected officials. They are the same ones for years or replaced by the same. Take another look at these specific neighborhoods where this happens. The party in control still is.
What has that elected person done in their district other than get reelected?

Dont think just Fed, think State and local.

#24 | Posted by Petrous at 2020-06-01 10:21 AM | Reply

They do vote.

#24 | POSTED BY PETROUS AT 2020-06-01 10:21 AM | REPLY | FLAG

I don't disagree at all about the folly of voting for political machines.

However, they do not show up. All voters is 40%. The 18-24 demographic, the ones leading burning and looting, not even 1 in 5 votes.

#25 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-06-01 10:38 AM | Reply

NY police officers prompt cheers as they take the knee with protesters

Officers in the New York borough of Queens were asked to show solidarity before the names were read out of African Americans who have died during encounters with police.

www.msn.com

#26 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-06-01 10:48 AM | Reply

NY police officers prompt cheers as they take the knee with protesters

Officers in the New York borough of Queens were asked to show solidarity before the names were read out of African Americans who have died during encounters with police.

www.msn.com

#27 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-06-01 10:48 AM | Reply

Flint, Michigan, protest: Police put down weapons for parade

www.msn.com

#28 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-06-01 10:50 AM | Reply

I disagree Sitz. They do vote. Problem is, they expect things to change by voting in the same people on the city councils, the State legislators, and Fed.
Look at their elected officials. They are the same ones for years or replaced by the same. Take another look at these specific neighborhoods where this happens. The party in control still is.
What has that elected person done in their district other than get reelected?
Dont think just Fed, think State and local.

#24 | POSTED BY PETROUS

Part of the issue is that Police Unions are entrenched.

The Governor of Minnesota for instance banned Warrior-Style Police Training that escalated violence and taught cops to approach every situation as a soldier rather than a civil servant.

The Head of the Minneapolis Police Union basically told him to go ---- himself and offered the training anyway.

And when a city council or elected official tries to change things, the Right calls them soft on crime and opposes it for political points.

#29 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-06-01 01:46 PM | Reply

offered the training anyway.

#29 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT AT 2020-06-01 01:46 PM | FLAG:

I had to look this one up. I know of a guy that claims to be something like Greek Special Forces and sells "tactical training". In reality he's an Applebee's server in New Jersey iirc. There's so much bullshido out there. What those police got for that "Warrior Training" was a website convincing them they were going to be fighting ISIS and claimed its knowledge and web based training was worth $55,000 a year. It's a lot to take in...

#30 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-06-01 04:05 PM | Reply

What is your point Sitzkrieg?
Are you saying pigs aren't trained this way?

#31 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-01 04:07 PM | Reply

Musing. Getting the state or city approved training, then getting self-training in bullshido through a national union backed monetization of nonsense, that is supposed to get you written up for taking. They don't get punished and are protected by deeply entrenched political machines. That's going to be a tough one to undo.

#32 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-06-01 04:42 PM | Reply

Getting angry over there Snoofy? Slap on that spray painted hammer & sickle helmet, go out and set something on fire. You're going to miss your chance. These protests will run out of steam soon.

#33 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-06-01 04:46 PM | Reply

What is your point Sitzkrieg?

#34 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-01 06:17 PM | Reply

They don't get punished and are protected by deeply entrenched political machines. That's going to be a tough one to undo.
#32 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

As best I can tell, your point is:
"None dared call it Institutionalized Racism."
Especially you.

#35 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-01 06:30 PM | Reply

You're such a petulant child lol. Of course it's institutionalized racism.

#36 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-06-01 06:48 PM | Reply

Now back to shopping for a trawler to get the hell away from you violent white folk.

#37 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-06-01 06:48 PM | Reply

"While no one condones looting, on the other hand, one can understand the pent-up feelings that may result from decades of repression and people who have had members of their family killed by that regime, for them to be taking their feelings out on that regime," he said. "And I don't think there's anyone in any of those pictures ... (who wouldn't) accept it as part of the price of getting from a repressed regime to freedom."

-Donald Rumsfeld

www.upi.com

#38 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-06-01 06:57 PM | Reply

" It's like profanity. Once you start the cursing, folks tend to not listen to what you're saying."

Really? ----. I mean darn.

#39 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-06-01 09:43 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Getting angry over there Snoofy?
#33 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

You're such a petulant child lol. Of course it's institutionalized racism.
#36 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

So it's institutionalized racism... but it doesn't bother you.

Oookay!

#40 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-02 02:57 PM | Reply

Study: Peaceful Protests More Effective Than Violent Ones

Yes but you need the violent ones to provide perspective i.e. to show what the alternative could be.

It is human nature not to want to give in to threats. It is easier for people in power to admit that they are yielding to a peaceful protest than admit that they are giving in to a violent one. In the first instance, they look altruistic and forward thinking. In the second they come off as being weak.

#41 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2020-06-02 03:16 PM | Reply

Slaves didn't get to be free by peaceful protest.
Women didn't get to vote by peaceful protest.
They tried peaceful protest, it didn't work.

The article ignores history.
It doesn't look at change in policy.
It only says "extreme protest actions reduce popular support."

The headline omits that crucial fact, because it's written by a Deplorable, to cluck his tongue at legitimate protests in response to multiple unnecessary killings and murders by police.

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-02 03:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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