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Monday, June 01, 2020

Since the beginning of 2015, officers from the Minneapolis Police Department have rendered people unconscious with neck restraints 44 times, according to an NBC News analysis of police records. Minneapolis police used neck restraints at least 237 times during that span, and in 16 percent of the incidents the suspects and other individuals lost consciousness, the department's use-of-force records show.

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Holy ------! No wonder the other police officers either stood around or joined in with their knees pressed against George Floyd's dying body. I fear for how this revelation will add more fuel to the raging inferno already unleashed.

There was a very good reason why the officers at the scene refused to listen to the pleas of Floyd and bystanders who recognized that his life was being extinguished right before their very eyes - to those police officers, what they were doing was simply SOP - standard operational procedure. Now it's ended up in a murder that those unfortunate few will pay for the rest of their lives.

George Floyd's fate is far worse. He no longer has a corporeal life.

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-06-01 07:38 AM | Reply

And the de rigueur treatment like this comes with a nod from the hat from the top.

#2 | Posted by madscientist at 2020-06-01 08:03 AM | Reply

That "cop" would have no power over Mr Floyed had it not been given to him from above. I.e. his boss.

#3 | Posted by madscientist at 2020-06-01 08:04 AM | Reply

Floyd

#4 | Posted by madscientist at 2020-06-01 08:07 AM | Reply

Yang is right. BJJ purple belt should be mandatory for police.

Screw the college degree requirement that creates institutional racism and police not from the areas the enforce the law in. How about just learn to grapple without killing people negligently that are already subdued.

#5 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-06-01 08:29 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Screw the college degree requirement that creates institutional racism and police not from the areas the enforce the law in."

I'm not saying I disagree with this point but can you explain how the education requirement is related to institutional racism? I've never heard anybody make that argument before.

#6 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2020-06-01 08:33 AM | Reply

I've never heard anybody make that argument before.

#6 | POSTED BY HAGBARD_CELINE AT 2020-06-01 08:33 AM | FLAG:

Really? This has been a known issue for a long time now. As we went through the Tough On Crime Era, like Hillary's Super-Predators, there was a continuing drive for better policing which drove college degree requirements. We want our police to be educated, right?

Here comes the institutionally racist side effect.

Low income areas produce fewer college degrees per capita. Hispanics 25 & up only have 15.5% bachelor degree attainment. How are you going to get Hispanic officers to police hispanic neighborhoods they grew up in? For Black people it's only 22.5%, they are a minority population in numbers, and the support to be police doesn't exist in pop culture. Who is going to police their neighborhoods? College educated white people. They're 72% of the population, with 33% bachelor degree attainment.

You think it'll be a black female? That's a unicorn. It's a 77% white, 85.3% male workforce.

#7 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-06-01 09:42 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

My how the world has changed.

In my day "necking" meant something completely different and as I recall was quite enjoyable.

#8 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-06-01 11:46 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

In my day "necking" meant something completely different and as I recall was quite enjoyable.

That was my invention, trying to fit the 60 character title limit. I was hoping that RCade would have used the actual longer title of 'neck restraint' but he let my abbreviation fly.

Should have used 'knecked' instead so as not to draw comparisons like yours, lol.

#9 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-06-01 12:03 PM | Reply

Should have used 'knecked' instead so as not to draw comparisons like yours, lol.

#9 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

It's not your fault Tony. You did not personally change the meaning.

The police in Minnesota did that.

You are just the messenger.

#10 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-06-01 12:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Did you ever think that you'd see police officers all across America taking a knee with protesters of violence against black victims?

Kinda puts a whole nother light on Trump calling Colin Kaepernick a 'son of a -itch' for doing so for the exact same reason, doesn't it?

#11 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-06-01 12:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Where's the anger at lawmakers? Who is the Senators and Representatices, State and Fed?

#12 | Posted by Petrous at 2020-06-01 12:20 PM | Reply

Who is the Senators and Representatices, State and Fed?

#12 | POSTED BY PETROUS

It's a National problem. Trump is the President. He is hiding in a bunker 5 stories below the chaos. Tweeting.

#13 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-06-01 12:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Where's the anger at lawmakers?

It's not a state or federal issue as much as it is a local issue between city government and the police union.

A large part of the story has been the Minneapolis public's inability to get the reforms wanted over the opposition of the police union, it's leadership and the rank and file. The current police chief has been very vocal about this.

#14 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-06-01 12:37 PM | Reply

It's a National problem.

Systemic black injustice by policing is indeed a national problem that was addressed with concrete measures by Obama's Administration which were abandoned by Trump's as Donner noted above.

As it regards neck restraints, that is a local Minneapolis issue in and of itself. The practice is largely against regulations in most large departments.

#15 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-06-01 12:40 PM | Reply

My how the world has changed.

In my day "necking" meant something completely different and as I recall was quite enjoyable.

#8 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-06-01 11:46 AM | Reply | Flag:

It looked like that scum LEO enjoyed it immensely.

#16 | Posted by Nixon at 2020-06-01 12:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What did Obama do about Baltimore? Nothing, it was the mayor's job, then the Governor. It'a a State issue, not Fed.

The Fed can prosecute, but the State has more authority at home.

The Fed can finance, but it's the State and Local that control the outcome.

I dont blame Obama for the actions of cops anymore than Trump.

Same thing with rioters. Obama asked for peace. The rioters didnt listen to him either.

#17 | Posted by Petrous at 2020-06-01 12:48 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

As it regards neck restraints, that is a local Minneapolis issue in and of itself. The practice is largely against regulations in most large departments.

#15 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-06-01 12:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

Regulations didn't stop the scum cop from choking Eric Garner to death

#18 | Posted by Nixon at 2020-06-01 12:48 PM | Reply

If police were trained in how chokes and strangulations really work this would be much less frequent of an occurance.

#19 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-06-01 01:02 PM | Reply

"What did Obama do about Baltimore? Nothing,"

That was Baltimore Burning. This is the entire country burning.

And I don't believe that is true. He spoke very eloquently. And definitely did not hide in the basement.

And under Obama, the Justice Department took on more civil rights investigations of local police departments than his recent predecessors, launching probes into "nearly two dozen police departments, from Baltimore to Ferguson, Missouri to Chicago -- uncovering a wide range of abusive, even racist, police practices."

So what happened? Donald Trump took office, Jeff Sessions became attorney general, and in November 2018, the Republican-led Justice Department went in a dramatically different direction. The New York Times reported at the time that Sessions "drastically limited the ability of federal law enforcement officials to use court-enforced agreements to overhaul local police departments accused of abuses and civil rights violations."

"The Obama administration and the handcuffing and oppression of police was despicable," Kroll said at a Trump rally. "The first thing President Trump did when he took office was turn that around."

President Obama's Task Force on 21st Century Policing released its final, 116-page report after six months of work.

Trump threw it out.

ELECTIONS MATTER

www.msnbc.com

#20 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-06-01 01:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

If police were trained in how chokes and strangulations really work this would be much less frequent of an occurance.

Sure. They'd just disproportionately choke blacks without reason to do so but not knock them out or kill them.

Meathead cop culture will never change until police unions are stripped of the right to bargain over discipline and termination. There are POS cops in every department and everyone knows it and they don't bother to do anything about it because the administrative costs and headaches aren't worth it to them. If departments were able to fire bad cops on the spot and never hear about it again, perhaps even bad cops would think twice before kneeling on someone's carotid artery until they die.

#21 | Posted by JOE at 2020-06-01 01:46 PM | Reply

Meathead cop culture will never change until police unions are stripped of the right to bargain over discipline and termination. There are POS cops in every department and everyone knows it and they don't bother to do anything about it because the administrative costs and headaches aren't worth it to them. If departments were able to fire bad cops on the spot and never hear about it again, perhaps even bad cops would think twice before kneeling on someone's carotid artery until they die.

#21 | POSTED BY JOE

Police Unions are the one Union that Republicans love and protect.

#22 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-06-01 02:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I know. And is it any coincidence that the members of that union are the ones who brutalize blacks more than any other in America?

#23 | Posted by JOE at 2020-06-01 02:03 PM | Reply

"Police Unions are the one Union that Republicans love and protect.

#22 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT AT 2020-06-01 02:03 PM"

Minneapolis has been run by Democrats for decades. Not sure how you seem to find a way to blame Republicans for the actions of city police under the command of Democrats.

#24 | Posted by rjm53 at 2020-06-01 02:13 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

In the fall, Minneapolis Police Union President Lt. Bob Kroll spoke at a campaign rally for Donald Trump and praised the current president for breaking with the policies of his predecessor. "The Obama administration and the handcuffing and oppression of police was despicable," Kroll said at a Trump rally. "The first thing President Trump did when he took office was turn that around."

The Minneapolis officer didn't go into a lot of detail about what it was, exactly, the Democratic White House did to "oppress" police departments, but we can probably guess what the complaint was about. A Vox report noted a few years ago that during Barack Obama's presidency, the Justice Department "played a key role in exposing abuses from local police departments, exposing everything from unjustified shootings to a broader pattern of racism in a police force."

The report added that under Obama, the Justice Department took on more civil rights investigations of local police departments than his recent predecessors, launching probes into "nearly two dozen police departments, from Baltimore to Ferguson, Missouri to Chicago -- uncovering a wide range of abusive, even racist, police practices."

So what happened? Donald Trump took office, Jeff Sessions became attorney general, and in November 2018, the Republican-led Justice Department went in a dramatically different direction. The New York Times reported at the time that Sessions "drastically limited the ability of federal law enforcement officials to use court-enforced agreements to overhaul local police departments accused of abuses and civil rights violations." The Justice Department had been using court-approved consent decrees to create blueprints for changing law enforcement, but the Alabama Republican decided to make that far more difficult.

So Petrous, THIS is where the federal government's responsibility lies. The Trump Administration removed the reforms put in place by Obama. Progress was both realized and actuated that concretely addressed many problems, but for Trump and Republicans - including law enforcement unions - they decided that this change was unneeded and unnecessary toward THEIR interests.

Now here we are.

#25 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-06-01 02:29 PM | Reply

#24

Are you really that ignorant to not know that police unions are full of hardcore right wing law and order members and leadership?

Read the first paragraph above. Police unions exist in a different sphere than any city's normal political dynamics. Law enforcement is, was, and likely will always be a decidedly conservative-leaning faction.

#26 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-06-01 02:32 PM | Reply

"there was a continuing drive for better policing which drove college degree requirements"

Not really all that widespread.

But what are you saying if an organization is disproportionately white, it's racist?

Look at the GOP Congressional Delegation. It's whiter, and more Male, than the pigs.

Is the GOP racist, Sitzkrieg?

#27 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-01 02:32 PM | Reply

"The Obama administration and the handcuffing and oppression of police was despicable"

Despicable.

This is Deplorable code for Democrats they really don't like. Democrats who get too uppity about the status quo. Democrats who threaten the Good Old Boy's Club

As I recall, that term has become Willowby's calling card of late.

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-01 02:36 PM | Reply

If police were trained in how chokes and strangulations really work this would be much less frequent of an occurance.
#19 |

www.motherjones.com
FTA:

While an investigation is underway over the use of the chokehold in Floyd's death, it's worth taking a look at the "warrior-style" police training that for years had been popular with the city's top police union. For the unfamiliar, the training, as we reported in 2017, generally espouses a "killology" vision of law enforcement that's frequently likened to "fear porn." Experts say the training, which has been linked to high profile police-related killings around the country, including Philando Castille's 2016 shooting death, also in Minnesota, often runs the risk of the use of unnecessary, and sometimes, fatal force:

This approach to policing is outdated and ineffective, says Stoughton, and, "some of it is dangerously wrong." Samuel Walker, a criminal-justice professor and expert on police accountability, says the "Bulletproof Warrior" approach is "okay for Green Berets but unacceptable for domestic policing. The best police chiefs in the country don't want anything to do with this."

Citing the "killology" mentality, Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey ultimately banned the training last year but the move infuriated Minneapolis Police Union President Lt. Bob Kroll. Shortly after the decision was announced, Kroll called the ban illegal and said that the union would continue to make the training available to any interested officers. "It's not about killing, it's about surviving," Kroll said at the time.

#29 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2020-06-01 02:43 PM | Reply

Sure. They'd just disproportionately choke blacks without reason to do so but not knock them out or kill them.

Meathead cop culture will never change until police unions are stripped of the right to bargain over discipline and termination.

#21 | POSTED BY JOE AT 2020-06-01 01:46 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Less people will be negligently killed. Don't ask like it's a bad thing because it's not perfect.

Anti-public sector union Democrats? --------. Rage against the Machine all you want. We all keep voting for it.

#30 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-06-01 03:18 PM | Reply

From the owner of a club where Chauvin worked security:

She said Chauvin got along well with the club's Latino regulars, but his tactics toward unruly customers on what she referred to as "African American" nights led her to speak to him about it.

"I told him I thought this is unnecessary to be pepper-sprayed. The knee-jerk reaction of being afraid, it seemed overkill," Santamaria said. "It was a concern and I did voice my opinion, but police officers have a way of justifying what they do."

AND
On Friday, protesters gathered in front of another Chauvin home in Windemere, Fla., which he has owned since 2011 with his wife, Kellie, a Laotian refugee, real estate agent and former Mrs. Minnesota pageant winner.

Both Chauvin and his wife have registered to vote there (FL), rather than in Minnesota, records show. Chauvin last cast a ballot in Florida in November 2018. His wife's registration is listed as inactive. Both are Republicans.

www.mercurynews.com

Chauvin lived and worked in Minnesota. Why was he voting in Florida?

#31 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-06-01 03:42 PM | Reply

BTW, don't states require people vote where their primary residences are? If so, Chauvin committed voter fraud.

#32 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-06-01 03:56 PM | Reply

Republicans commit voter fraud to prove voter fraud is real.

Notice how Voter ID didn't stop his fraud?

Republicans will never acknowledge that voter ID didn't stop his voter fraud.

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-01 04:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Amnesty International has revealed how police forces from a surprisingly wide expanse of the United States have been receiving training from Israeli forces and services, warning that the violence being exercised by the American law enforcement has come to match Israeli brutality.

#34 | Posted by TenMile at 2020-06-01 05:28 PM | Reply

Less people will be negligently killed.

Possibly. Or the training will give more cops confidence in being aggressors and some of them, forgetting their training or applying it incorrectly, will kill people.

#35 | Posted by JOE at 2020-06-01 05:37 PM | Reply

Why not train them to serve the public and not see them as the enemy?

#36 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-06-01 06:10 PM | Reply

Possibly. Or the training will give more cops confidence in being aggressors and some of them, forgetting their training or applying it incorrectly, will kill people.

#35 | POSTED BY JOE AT 2020-06-01 05:37 PM | FLAG:

Right this very moment they are self training and sent to seminars in --------, paid for and protected by their unions. Getting them real training is far more realistic than breaking their political machine and will provide safer outcomes for people in the long run. Cheaper too. Unfortunately rioters just burnt down 10th Planet Jiu Jitsu in Long Beach, so that won't be happening there.

#37 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-06-01 06:29 PM | Reply

will provide safer outcomes for people in the long run

I'd like to see a study that shows training cops in chokes and strangulations (beyond what training they already receive) would actually produce the outcome you claim.

#38 | Posted by JOE at 2020-06-01 07:39 PM | Reply

Laughing at you. Really?

Obama spoke very eloquently. That made those bad people stop, didnt it.

Made all those naughty cops stop.

Ignorant fool.

Words are nothing. How many mayors right now are begging it to stop?

How many governors?

Floyd's family?

Please stop. Pretty please.

Freaking idiots.

We have anarchy. You wanted a Federal response. Holding Trump responsible? Ok, here he comes. Damn, if he invokes the Insurrection Act? Good. Insurrection causes this kind of response.

#39 | Posted by Petrous at 2020-06-01 08:20 PM | Reply

Insurrection is not stopped by these types of responses
It usually takes a lot of dead people

#40 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-06-01 08:24 PM | Reply

If rioters, vandals, and looters fight the US military, what is the consequence of their action?

#41 | Posted by Petrous at 2020-06-01 08:54 PM | Reply

I'd like to see a study that shows training cops in chokes and strangulations (beyond what training they already receive) would actually produce the outcome you claim.

#38 | POSTED BY JOE AT 2020-06-01 07:39 PM | FLAG:

You're not going to get one until a department pilots it. Anecdotally, officers that train in BJJ say they are more confident and less likely to go up the force pyramid. Officer Ari Krazan in Canada and a detective in Austin have been pushing mandatory BJJ for officers for the last 5 years through their organization. Unfortunately only the smart officers go out and get real combat training. As noted early, their unions are shoveling FIGHTING ISIS tactifool -------- at them. As a 20 year member of Bullshido that debunks fraud in martial arts... it's a headache this ---- still goes on.

#42 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-06-02 08:34 AM | Reply

Sick, abusive, authoritarian...
NOT my idea of America...

#43 | Posted by earthmuse at 2020-06-02 11:59 AM | Reply

wow how does this happen? this is a deep Blue City in a Blue State

why were these cops not fired? Unions?

#44 | Posted by Maverick at 2020-06-02 07:47 PM | Reply

"why were these cops not fired? Unions?"

Don't forget Amy Klobuchar (D)!
She was the Hennepin County District Attorney, who declined to prosecute these pigs.

#45 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-02 07:48 PM | Reply

it's crazy how these cops continued to be employed

hopefully someone will drill down on this and find out why

#46 | Posted by Maverick at 2020-06-02 07:49 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Yang is right. BJJ purple belt should be mandatory for police."

Yang is wrong.

Police should be trained to protect. Warriors for peace.

Akido is much more appropriate. In Akido it is our goal to not let an opponent hurt themselves even while we defend ourselves. It teaches you the way of peace and harmony while you learn "self defense".

#47 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-06-02 09:54 PM | Reply

Hmmm. Starting to see a pattern here. I wonder if n=44 is sufficient enough to start a bell curve.

#48 | Posted by madscientist at 2020-06-02 11:02 PM | Reply

#47 Aikido is an epicenter of martial arts fraud. Nobody should train it. Ever. No touch knockout -------- that does zero training with resistance. "Grab my wrist so I can do my move!" LOL. Next up, we hire Ashida Kim for police training lol.

#49 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-06-03 08:08 AM | Reply

omfg you train it lol. Thats so sad. You must be over 50.maybe in your 60s.

#50 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-06-03 08:09 AM | Reply

This ---- has got to end. Does anybody remember this gem of a quote from a Los Angeles Police Chief back in the day?

"We may be finding that in some blacks, when the choke hold is applied, the veins or arteries do not open up like in normal people." Daryl Gates LA Police Cheif 1978-1992

The pure evil is overwhelming.

#51 | Posted by Jasper at 2020-06-03 10:02 AM | Reply

"we Grab my wrist so I can do my move!" LOL. Next up, we hire Ashida Kim for police training lol.

#49 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG"

ha ha. There are frauds everywhere. Sorry you got fell for a fraud bro. Next time maybe check credentials of the teacher.

Learn Akido and tai chi first and then study the combat arts.

Teach the police to be our protectors. Not our "dominators".

Enjoy your arrogance. I am sure it will serve you and Humpy well.

#52 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-06-03 12:26 PM | Reply

It just hit me in how the culture of law enforcement needs to change. First off, police don't enforce laws as much as they apprehend suspected lawbreakers, so let's drop that terminology completely.

Local officers should all be known specifically as Peace Officers and their chief job is to help maintain or restore peace amongst the citizenry, not to project force.

Sheriffs and Constables remain who they are. School and property security officials should be labeled just that, but no longer police. State officers - whose chief jobs are traffic safety and code enforcement - are now State Safety Officers/Troopers.

Entities such as SWAT should be known as Active Crime Response Units. And that should be the only time they are called upon - during ACTIVE criminal activities.

Detectives and investigators should be labeled as such - Criminal Investigators and Regulatory officers.

The term and the ethos of "policing" needs to be retired and evolved into a true public service culture - one where common respect is both given and received by all sides - not the retributive "us vs. them" culture that now has to be excised once and for all.

#53 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-06-03 01:00 PM | Reply

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