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Tuesday, June 02, 2020

Officers and the National Guard were called to Dino's Food Mart on South 26th Street at around 12 a.m. to help clear a large crowd that had gathered in the parking lot. The officers were met with gunfire, Conrad said, and both the LMPD officers and National Guard troops fired back at the crowd. One man was pronounced dead at the scene.

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Oops. Cops just make everything worse. The riots are less dangerous than the police overreaction. Like an Autoimmune response. This stuff just needs to burn out on its own. People will stop eventually if left alone. Arrest the most obvious ringleaders without malice or fanfare and this will pass.

#1 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-06-02 12:23 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

And there is NO body-cam footage. It seems that all of the officers on scene conveniently 'forgot' to turn them on. Just like when officers from the same Louisville police department made that no-knock raid at the WRONG address and killed an innocent women in her own bed while she slept, again, NOT a single body-cam had been turned on.

OCU

#2 | Posted by OCUser at 2020-06-02 01:14 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

My guess is that they just opened fire for fun.

#3 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-06-02 01:18 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Can only get worse.

#4 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-06-02 01:27 AM | Reply

And there is NO body-cam footage. It seems that all of the officers on scene conveniently 'forgot' to turn them on. Just like when officers from the same Louisville police department made that no-knock raid at the WRONG address and killed an innocent women in her own bed while she slept, again, NOT a single body-cam had been turned on.

OCU

#2 | POSTED BY OCUSER AT 2

That should be evidence of hostile intent

#5 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-06-02 01:32 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Louisville is getting out of control.

Another needless death.

#6 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-06-02 01:32 AM | Reply

And there is NO body-cam footage. It seems that all of the officers on scene conveniently 'forgot' to turn them on. Just like when officers from the same Louisville police department made that no-knock raid at the WRONG address and killed an innocent women in her own bed while she slept, again, NOT a single body-cam had been turned on.

OCU

Posted by OCUser

Ya, isn't it something how they 'forget' to turn on body cams?

BTW, you've probably read the Louisville police chief has been fired.

#7 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-06-02 04:00 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This will get worse before it gets better, sadly.

#8 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-06-02 04:51 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Easy to claim shots were fired. But where's the evidence? Surely a riot shield with a hole in it or cracks from the impact exists.

Oh wait...too bad the cameras were off. Now there's no way to know if it's true or not.

My bet is this was an overreaction from the cops to a noise that they thought was gunfire. Too much tension and adrenaline pumping in this situation.

#9 | Posted by jpw at 2020-06-02 11:41 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Likely one cop started shooting and the rest heard gunfire and started shooting too. They do it all the time.

#10 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-06-02 11:53 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Ok - STUPID to not have body cams on. Frankly they didn't want to get caught by their own cameras using inappropriate force. The Detectives in the previous incident the raid where they were breaking in somewhere they didn't have a warrant for should have had them too - but they probably were not even in uniform. Any no-knock raid should have cameras in abundance. In fact ANY search should have them on. No excuses. The chief needed to go.

That said - on video it sure appears that the guy shot at something/someone... His own security cameras show some of the story. YouTube

Almost halfway through is when it happens on the inside view right around 2:15. Then it shifts to the outside view after he has collapsed. No audio though. Sure looks like he was shooting and ducked inside. Then they shot him when he stepped back out. Let's just say for sure everyone cleared out of there for a reason before he was shot...

#11 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2020-06-02 03:00 PM | Reply

@#6 ... Louisville is getting out of control. ...

In another life, a few decades ago, I lived in Louisville.

Back then it was an excellent city, and the people there were great.

I wonder what happened?

#12 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-06-02 03:41 PM | Reply

Guns keep us safe!

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-02 03:42 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

theintercept.com

The body of David McAtee laid in the streets of Louisville, Kentucky, for over 12 hours on Monday. McAtee had been killed by law enforcement just after midnight on Sunday, May 31, amid days of protests over police violence nationwide. Noon the next day, protesters were gathered at the site. McAtee's body was still there.

#14 | Posted by qcp at 2020-06-02 03:50 PM | Reply

Tree of Liberty ain't gonna water itself!

#15 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-02 03:55 PM | Reply

From #14:

As the owner of YaYa's BBQ, McAtee was known to give police officers free meals. Bystanders and witnesses have said that the crowd was not protesting when the police arrived.

#16 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-06-02 04:14 PM | Reply

@#16 ... Bystanders and witnesses have said that the crowd was not protesting when the police arrived. ...

No wonder the police "forgot" to turn on their body cams.

#17 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-06-02 04:40 PM | Reply

I said it before, and I'll say it again: ---- this false choice between anarchy and police state thuggery. I have at least one Facebook friend from Louisville with a "burn it all to the ground" mentality in support of the violent protesters. If you're supporting the cycle of violence, you've lost your right to bitch about it.

#18 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-06-02 06:04 PM | Reply

They need to do an immediate search of the Chief's email and the emails of every officer in the department. The fact that none of the officers activated their bodycams sounds like an order that came from the top.

#19 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2020-06-02 06:16 PM | Reply

I have at least one Facebook friend from Louisville with a "burn it all to the ground" mentality in support of the violent protesters.
#18 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

Of course you do.
You spend your days singing the virtues of the Swastika.

#20 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-02 06:34 PM | Reply

"You spend your days singing the virtues of the Swastika."

Only in your head, kiddo.

#21 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-06-02 06:54 PM | Reply

I rarely if ever talk about politics or religion with friends outside of here.

#22 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-06-02 06:55 PM | Reply

"Nazi ass"

cdn.drawception.com

#24 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-06-02 07:47 PM | Reply

Thanks for underscoring my point, I guess.

You just can't resist the urge to show your True Colors.

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-02 07:54 PM | Reply

@#19 ... this false choice between anarchy and police state thuggery. ...

What false choice are you speaking of? The only time 've seen such a choice mentioned is in your comments.

Can you be a lot more specific about what you're seeing to prompt your comment?

#27 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-06-02 09:59 PM | Reply

No body cameras? No problem. ----!

#28 | Posted by madscientist at 2020-06-02 11:05 PM | Reply

"Can you be a lot more specific about what you're seeing to prompt your comment?"

I gave one very specific example in the same post you partially quoted. I have seen many other examples where people imply you should not criticize the looters/rioters/arsonists at all, even if you are condemning both the bad cops and the bad protesters.

#29 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-06-02 11:34 PM | Reply

@#6 ... Louisville is getting out of control. ...

In another life, a few decades ago, I lived in Louisville.

Back then it was an excellent city, and the people there were great.

I wonder what happened?

#12 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER AT 2020-06-02 03:41 PM | FLAG:

Louisville is still an excellent city. Probably more excellent now than it was years ago. I grew up here and I know its beauty and its warts.

Louisville is where the Midwest and South come together. We have a Southern Baptist seminary and a Presbyterian seminary here. In fact, the Presbyterian Church USA is based here. There's also an enormous number of Catholics here, including some liberal, activist priests for whom I have great respect. Believe it or not, we also have a large Jewish population and until the current mayor we had a Jewish mayor serve so many terms we called him "Mayor for Life." He consistently scored 90% approval ratings. I know him well. The current mayor is Catholic. I know him too. I went to high school with his brother. He's a decent guy. He doesn't have a lot of charisma but he has good intentions.

The way the current mayor tells it, the police have done some indefensible things. He has tried to walk the line between respecting the rights of the protesters to protest and protecting shop owners and other people from harm. He probably hasn't been as visible or as bold as he should. I'm hoping that improves quickly. We'll see. He did fire the police chief over the officers' failure to have operating body cameras in the shooting death of David McAtee. And he has met with the family of Breonna Taylor and has worked with them to collectively appeal to the public to maintain the peace.

As for the McAtee situation, I was convinced it was either an unprovoked murder or an accidental slaying of a bystander. Watching security cameras yesterday, however, has caused me to step back and reserve judgment. Image resolution isn't perfect, but it does appear that McAtee stepped out the door of his BBQ business and raised an object over his head toward police before being shot himself. It's conceivable that he didn't know who the armed men charging toward his business were. It's conceivable that the object wasn't a gun, but rather tongs, since he was cooking BBQ. He also was known to have a good relationship with the police. So l'll have to see what else comes out.

It's a most unhappy time in Louisville right now, that's for sure. Despite that, the protests last night were smaller and well-behaved. If you could go back to 2019, Louisville had a reputation as a laid-back, left-leaning city, with a diverse economy, superb dining, arts and entertainment choices, a downtown undergoing rebirth, and a higher-than-average tolerance for different lifestyles and opinions. But racism is still an issue here, as I assume it is most anywhere, and I won't sugarcoat it, we've had more than our share of ugly events based in prejudice over the years. The slaying of Breonna Taylor looks like one of those. David McAtee? Just not sure.

#30 | Posted by cbob at 2020-06-03 05:50 PM | Reply

Almost forgot... here's a link to the video from security cameras. It'll be clear as mud after you watch it.
www.whas11.com

#31 | Posted by cbob at 2020-06-03 06:02 PM | Reply

Think how much easier it would be to identify the gunman if weapons were tracked and a ballistic fingerprint from each weapon was filed with the FBI as a requirement for sale.

#32 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-03 06:15 PM | Reply

#32 We put taggants in high explosives for precisely that reason: To track killers who would use them as bombs.
How many people die from bombs each year? A hundred?

Meanwhile, there's 15,000 gun homicides a year and we make no effort to track guns.

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-03 06:17 PM | Reply

There's that kinder, gentler machine gun hand at work.

#34 | Posted by madscientist at 2020-06-04 06:34 AM | Reply

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