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Thursday, June 04, 2020

"I have watched this week's unfolding events, angry and appalled," [James] Mattis writes. "The words 'Equal Justice Under Law' are carved in the pediment of the United States Supreme Court. This is precisely what protesters are rightly demanding. It is a wholesome and unifying demand -- one that all of us should be able to get behind. We must not be distracted by a small number of lawbreakers. The protests are defined by tens of thousands of people of conscience who are insisting that we live up to our values -- our values as people and our values as a nation."

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Mattis should have done this what? Two years ago? That he's chiming in now simply underlines how badly the wheels on the Trump car are coming off.

#1 | Posted by Zed at 2020-06-03 07:07 PM | Reply

WOW!

Twitapocalypse incoming.

#2 | Posted by bored at 2020-06-03 07:15 PM | Reply

It seems like Trump has lost the respect of the military leadership.

Coup coup cachoo.

#3 | Posted by bored at 2020-06-03 07:17 PM | Reply

Serious question: Since Trump is obviously not going to be checked by the Attorney General or the DOJ, can the military justice system bring charges against him if he indeed issues illegal orders as the CIC?

#4 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-06-03 07:36 PM | Reply

I remember when Mattis was appointed and nearly all of my Trump supporting friends as well as a fair number of my liberal friends and every single one of my military friends were thrilled with Mattis. I've seen liberal friends, military friends and former trump supporting friends sharing his remarkable statement. I wonder why I haven't seen any of my friends who still support Trump sharing it.

By the way, just any case there is any doubt in the minds of anyone who reads it, Mattis is talking about Trump when he says the following.

"We know that we are better than the abuse of executive authority that we witnessed in Lafayette Square. We must reject and hold accountable those in office who would make a mockery of our Constitution."

#5 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2020-06-03 07:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

When you are a general you can do anything. Just grab em by the pouty.

#6 | Posted by bored at 2020-06-03 07:57 PM | Reply

"It seems like Trump has lost the respect of the military leadership."

And a big chunk of the police too.
Losing the police -- over racism no less -- has to be among his biggest failures to date.
Somehow, though, it might still end up being good for America.

#7 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-03 08:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Didn't see that one coming.

#8 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-06-03 08:34 PM | Reply

It seems that St Johns stunt may be the tipping point for -------.

#9 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-06-03 08:58 PM | Reply

#----------- responds.

Donald J. Trump
""
@realDonaldTrump
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Probably the only thing Barack Obama & I have in common is that we both had the honor of firing Jim Mattis, the world's most overrated General. I asked for his letter of resignation, & felt great about it. His nickname was "Chaos", which I didn't like, & changed to "Mad Dog"...

Donald J. Trump
""
@realDonaldTrump
...His primary strength was not military, but rather personal public relations. I gave him a new life, things to do, and battles to win, but he seldom "brought home the bacon". I didn't like his "leadership" style or much else about him, and many others agree. Glad he is gone!

13.6K
8:02 PM - Jun 3, 2020

#10 | Posted by Reinheitsgebot at 2020-06-03 09:18 PM | Reply

Even mad dog has a true belief in American freedom and justice. He has more "there" to him than I suspected. Trump is alienating everyone. Perhaps the praetorian guard will deal with this. That would be shocking but possibly fitting.

#11 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-06-03 09:34 PM | Reply

Trump in 2018: "General Jim Mattis will be retiring, with distinction, at the end of February, after having served my Administration as Secretary of Defense for the past two years. During Jim's tenure, tremendous progress has been made... I greatly thank Jim for his service!"

twitter.com

#12 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-06-03 09:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

His nickname was "Chaos", which I didn't like, & changed to "Mad Dog"...

Marines' Mad Dog Mattis' Battles for Iraqis' Support

APRIL 16, 2004

www.latimes.com

#13 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-06-03 10:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Instructions given by the military departments to our troops before the Normandy invasion reminded soldiers that 'The Nazi slogan for destroying us ... was "Divide and Conquer." Our American answer is "In Union there is Strength."' We must summon that unity to surmount this crisis--confident that we are better than our politics.

#14 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-06-04 08:49 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Then-president-elect Donald Trump met with Mattis for a little over one hour in Bedminster, New Jersey, on November 20, 2016.[88] He later wrote on Twitter, "General James 'Mad Dog' Mattis, who is being considered for secretary of defense, was very impressive yesterday. A true General's General!"[89] On December 1, 2016, Trump announced at a rally in Cincinnati that he would nominate Mattis for secretary of defense.

He can't be more transparent of manchild. What a petulant Orange skidmark.

I'm sort of sad the righties all left. I'd love to see how many of them still support Trump through all of this and how many would try to justify Trump's tweets.

#15 | Posted by jpw at 2020-06-04 10:14 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#12 ... I'm sort of sad the righties all left. I'd love to see how many of them still support Trump through all of this ...

Lindsey Graham on Mattis' Trump criticism: "You're missing something here, my friend"
www.axios.com

...Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) said Thursday that former Defense Secretary James Mattis' criticism of President Trump's response to mass protests in the wake of George Floyd's killing was "unfair" during an interview on "Fox & Friends."

What he's saying: "To General Mattis, I think you're missing something here, my friend. You're missing the fact that the liberal media has taken every event in the last three-and-a-half years and laid it at the president's feet."...


So, it seems that Sen Graham is trying to change the discussion about Pres Trump's egregiously abysmal leadership during these two crises by transferring the blame to the media.


#16 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-06-04 10:40 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I'd love to see how many of them still support Trump through all of this and how many would try to justify Trump's tweets.

#12 | Posted by jpw at 2020-06-04 10

They all do, and they all would.

Trumpites have their own particular set of values, which they won't talk about openly.

I think, sincerely so, that they were waiting for Trump's final conquest of American government so they could venture out in public at last wearing those neat black uniforms, shiny black boots, and colorful armbands.

#17 | Posted by Zed at 2020-06-04 10:54 AM | Reply

This guy was IN THE ROOM with trump and watched him work. His conclusion is that trump is a threat to the constitution.

Repub's conclusion is that he's a traitor. Same as anyone else who wont join their cult of hate and delusion.

#18 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-06-04 11:48 AM | Reply

General Mattis Takes a Dump on Trump.

#19 | Posted by madscientist at 2020-06-04 12:02 PM | Reply

#9, 10

Thanks, Gal, for reminding us of the truth, which is anathema to this administration. I wanted to say, they think we don't have the Internet to look up facts, but of course they do know that; they just don't care. And they know their stupid loyalists will believe anything they say, regardless of the facts.

#20 | Posted by cbob at 2020-06-04 12:28 PM | Reply

A second General, Marine General John Allen, has spoken out supporting Mattis in even stronger terms. I just wish SOMEONE would remove this dangerous fool from office. Even Pence is palatable at this point.

#21 | Posted by Yodagirl at 2020-06-04 12:38 PM | Reply

Even Pence is palliative at this point?

#22 | Posted by YAV at 2020-06-04 12:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Hey, Humpty Trumpty! How's the view up there?

#23 | Posted by catdog at 2020-06-04 12:59 PM | Reply

I'm not moved by Mattis' deathbed confession.

He could have used a Second Amendment remedy on Trump at any time during his tenure.

He punked out, like a bitch. I'm not impressed.

He's right about Trump, but I'm not impressed.

Go water the damn tree with your own blood Mattis. You failed the biggest test of your little soldier career.

#24 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-04 01:13 PM | Reply

Snoofy's drunk again.

#25 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-06-04 01:47 PM | Reply

Career soldiers turning out for career soldiers.

Some s--- never changes.

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-04 01:52 PM | Reply

"A second General, Marine General John Allen, has spoken out supporting Mattis in even stronger terms. I just wish SOMEONE would remove this dangerous fool from office. Even Pence is palatable at this point."

Kind of like how Augusto Pinochet removed Chile's dangerous fool from office?

There are constitutional means by which a president is removed. If they aren't constitutional, it's a coup.

Mattis left the administration because Trump, in usual form, didn't know what he was doing. He was "giving orders" without consulting the SECDEF, or the Combatant Commanders who would be obligated to attempt to carry out those orders.

I wouldn't want to work for someone who didn't know what they were doing either.

As a side, most service members could care less who the SECDEF is. Mattis was different. You can still walk into military facilities across the world and see memes and other homage paid to "Saint Mattis."

#27 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-06-04 01:54 PM | Reply

I'm just pointing out that you're drunk again. Or maybe you're sober and just stupid.

#28 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-06-04 01:55 PM | Reply

And why would you expect the SECDEF to execute a "Second Amendment Remedy?"

What stopping you from doing it, Champ?

#29 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-06-04 01:56 PM | Reply

A second General, Marine General John Allen, has spoken out supporting Mattis in even stronger terms. I just wish SOMEONE would remove this dangerous fool from office. Even Pence is palatable at this point.

#21 | POSTED BY YODAGIRL

Doesn't matter.

It just means he's part of the deep state.

#30 | Posted by jpw at 2020-06-04 02:16 PM | Reply

John Kelly defends James Mattis against Trump attacks
www.axios.com

...Former White House chief of staff John Kelly defended James Mattis on Thursday after President Trump attacked the former defense secretary as "the world's most overrated general" and claimed on Twitter that he was fired.

What he's saying: "The president did not fire him. He did not ask for his resignation," Kelly told the Washington Post in an interview. "The president has clearly forgotten how it actually happened or is confused."

"The president tweeted a very positive tweet about Jim until he started to see on Fox News their interpretation of his letter," Kelly added. "Then he got nasty. Jim Mattis is a honorable man."...


[emphasis mine]

#31 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-06-04 02:47 PM | Reply

#31 -So not only did Kelly say Trump is wrong but he also called his mental faculties into question.

#32 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2020-06-04 02:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#32

You noticed that also?

#33 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-06-04 02:59 PM | Reply

You can still walk into military facilities across the world and see memes and other homage paid to "Saint Mattis."

#27 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

All true. Mattis is treasured

#34 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2020-06-04 03:07 PM | Reply

There are constitutional means by which a president is removed. If they aren't constitutional, it's a coup.

#27 | Posted by madbomber

Suddenly you care about the constitution after years of silence while trump refused all congressional oversight?

#35 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-06-04 03:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Suddenly you care about the constitution after years of silence while trump refused all congressional oversight?"

I'm not a Supreme Court Justice. My job is not to arbitrate constitutional disputes.

And Trump never exceeded his presidential powers. If anything, I think what we've learned is that we need to gut the powers of the office of the president.

#36 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-06-04 04:09 PM | Reply

If anything, I think what we've learned is that we need to gut the powers of the office of the president.
#36 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Bush and Cheney to be blamed for that. Bit of Clinton too. And round it all up with B. Hussein's refusal to relinquish those powers once in office.

#37 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-06-04 04:13 PM | Reply

And Trump never exceeded his presidential powers. If anything, I think what we've learned is that we need to gut the powers of the office of the president.

#36 | Posted by madbomber

Withholding aid money unless someone helps you lie about your rival isn't exceeding presidential powers?

I'm sure you'd say the same thing of obama had done it.

#38 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-06-04 05:20 PM | Reply

There are constitutional means by which a president is removed. If they aren't constitutional, it's a coup.
#27 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

In that case, there have been four coups in America. Second Amendment remedies for Lincoln, Garfield, McKinley, and Kennedy.

So much winning!
#MAGA

#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-04 06:34 PM | Reply

And why would you expect the SECDEF to execute a "Second Amendment Remedy?"
What stopping you from doing it, Champ?
#29 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Setting aside that I wasn't expecting him to do anything other than carry the GOP water like you do,

1. He was the one under oath. So are you, as it turns out. You ever gonna take it seriously?
2. He had access. You and I don't.
3. He is well-respected and would make a good interim leader until either the election, or no election and Pence or Pelosi steps in, as the Constitution mandates.

#40 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-04 06:41 PM | Reply

My job is not to arbitrate constitutional disputes.
#36 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Then you have no concept of what it means when swore the Oath of Office.

But I don't believe that. I think you were simply lying when you swore the Oath of Office.

#41 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-04 06:43 PM | Reply

My take is that Mattis' statement is in response to a whole lot of stuff happening in the White House that the public is Curren unaware of and would set our hair aflame

#42 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-06-04 06:52 PM | Reply

Curren=currently

#43 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-06-04 06:53 PM | Reply

And Trump never exceeded his presidential powers. If anything, I think what we've learned is that we need to gut the powers of the office of the president.

#36 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Nonsense.

What he did was respond to Congressional assertion of their powers of oversight with a middle finger and the statement of "try me".

BTW nice cop out on expressing an opinion. None of us (as far as I know) are SCOTUS justices but expressing opinions and having them gutted or mildly mauled is why we're here, no?

#44 | Posted by jpw at 2020-06-05 12:37 AM | Reply

"Bush and Cheney to be blamed for that. Bit of Clinton too. And round it all up with B. Hussein's refusal to relinquish those powers once in office."

And it's only going to get worse. Candidate Sanders had already stated going in that he was going to use every means at his disposal to accomplish his agenda. And why not? Trump had already set the standard.

#45 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-06-05 01:06 AM | Reply

"Withholding aid money unless someone helps you lie about your rival isn't exceeding presidential powers?"

Apparently not.

"I'm sure you'd say the same thing of obama had done it."

Me?

I would have said the exact same thing. But I don't determine where the limits of presidential powers lie. Nor do I determine legality or constitutionality.

I can say it's morally wrong and an indication of massive corruption, but my best means to fight that is through a vote.

#46 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-06-05 01:09 AM | Reply

"Apparently not."

You mean, because the kangaroo court in the Senate didn't convict their Dear Leader for it?
LOL

#47 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-05 01:12 AM | Reply

"Apparently not. "

Meh. That's just according to the current Republican Senate, the most morally bankrupt group on the planet.

#48 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-06-05 01:12 AM | Reply

"But I don't determine where the limits of presidential powers lie."

Then you think there are no limits.

#49 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-05 01:20 AM | Reply

"BTW nice cop out on expressing an opinion. None of us (as far as I know) are SCOTUS justices but expressing opinions and having them gutted or mildly mauled is why we're here, no?"

Then I'll give mine.

The office of the presidency needs to be gutted. It's worked in the past because every president prior to Trump has generally provided overarching guidance allowing his staff to work with congress to make the sausage. Trump is different. I think that Trump ran for president as kind of a publicity stunt to improve his brand image. The fact that he won has given him a god complex, where his is convinced that he is uniquely positioned to lead this country. The best comparison would be to the Kim family in Korea, who are viewed as near divinity by the Norks. Also like the Kim family, Trump is not head of a politically or ideologically inspired movement, but rather one of people who are devoted to him without respect for his plans or policies. Trump could adopt Bernie's agenda in full, and (I think) the majority of Trump supporters would cheer him doing it.

And the thing about the conservatives who support Trump...they might like this type of behavior in a "conservative" candidate, but what happens when it's Bernie? Are they going to sit back and accept that their president is the one that established their new normal? I don't think that any of them have thought that far out.

So no, I don't think Trump exceeded his presidential powers. I think they've always been there, but no previous president had been so selfish or had need to go that direction. If he had exceeded his presidential powers, it would have been easy for anyone to call him on it and refer it to the Supreme Court. But what probably needs to happen, not sure how, is to find a way to make sure another president doesn't come in and do what Trump has done.

#50 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-06-05 01:25 AM | Reply

"Meh. That's just according to the current Republican Senate, the most morally bankrupt group on the planet."

Does it require Senate approval for a case to go to the Supreme Court?

#51 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-06-05 01:27 AM | Reply

"Then you think there are no limits."

I think there should be limits. Very clearly defined limits.

#52 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-06-05 01:29 AM | Reply

#50 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Thanks!

I agree with most of it. I think the issue of "presidential powers" has become more grey than it should. Probably because we haven't had one who tested the limits so much as Trump but also because we're finding, I think, some plausibly bizarre circular logical and issues with the Constitutional system. Issues that require one respect and follow the spirit of the document and not just the letter.

And I think that that is where Trump squeaks by. Lazy thinkers and morons who rely on the words and not the spirit.

And no, that isn't a slippery slope as I can't imagine how anybody would find a POTUS immune from all criminal charges or actions while in office. That's literally the very type of politician the founding fathers fought.

#53 | Posted by jpw at 2020-06-05 01:41 AM | Reply

"Then you think there are no limits."

I think there should be limits.

^
"Should be."

That answer underscores that you think there currently are no limits.

#54 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-05 01:25 PM | Reply

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