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Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Thursday, June 25, 2020

The U.S. today is getting closer to the worst-case scenario envisioned in the spring -- a nationwide crisis, made worse by a vacuum of political leadership, threatening to overwhelm hospitals and spread out of control.

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Looks like Alabama is finally starting to move away from its peak. It was bad there for a while, hopefully the trend continues.

#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-06-25 09:07 AM | Reply

Pandemic Rages in U.S., Spurring Quarantines and Mask Orders
www.bloomberg.com

...The resurgence, coming just as the regions first hit by the pandemic start to emerge, reflects the pathogen's inexorable spread in states that were slow to enforce lockdowns or quick to lift them. It also made clear to places where the disease was late to arrive that there are no magical escapes.

Florida and Texas each hit records for cases Wednesday, with health officials in Houston saying their infrastructure was "overwhelmed."

Arizona, meanwhile, reached a peak in hospitalizations.

In California, which also saw an all-time high for new infections, Walt Disney Co. delayed the reopening of its theme parks indefinitely, while Nevada's governor ordered everyone to wear masks in public as some of Las Vegas' biggest casinos made them a condition of entry....


#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-06-25 10:50 AM | Reply

Looks like New York City is on track in its reopening, entering phase 3 on july 6.

Coronavirus Updates: NYC on track for Phase 3 on July 6
abc7ny.com

...Mayor Bill de Blasio said that the city is on track for Phase 3 to begin on July 6. That's when outdoor sports like basketball, tennis, and soccer can resume along with dog runs in the city.

The mayor also announced that H+H locations will now offer free antibody and COVID-19 testing simultaneously.

Hospitalizations, ICU patients and percentage of people testing positive remained below their required thresholds....


Phase 3 also includes reopening of indoor dining and personal care services.

#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-06-25 12:28 PM | Reply

Texas pauses reopening as hospitals inundated with 'explosion' of COVID-19 cases
www.nbcnews.com

...The governor of Texas hit the brakes on reopening his state Thursday as hospitals were inundated with "an explosion" of new COVID-19 cases and officials warned there might not be enough beds available.

"The last thing we want to do as a state is go backwards and close down businesses," Gov. Greg Abbott said in a statement. "This temporary pause will help our state corral the spread until we can safely enter the next phase of opening our state for business."

Abbott urged "all Texans to do their part to slow the spread of COVID-19 by wearing a mask, washing their hands regularly and socially distancing from others."

"The more that we all follow these guidelines, the safer our state will be and the more we can open up Texas for business," he said....


#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-06-25 12:55 PM | Reply

@#4

... "This temporary pause will help our state corral the spread until we can safely enter the next phase of opening our state for business." ...

So Gov Abbott is pausing the reopening of the state at the current level of reopening, the level that has created an "explosion" of COVID-19 cases?


#5 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-06-25 12:58 PM | Reply

U.S. Recovery Looks to Be Ebbing in States With Virus Outbreaks
www.bloomberg.com

...
Restaurant bookings declining more as diners turn cautious.

U.S. playing mediocre Whac-A-Mole' with virus, Summers says.

The U.S. economic recovery is showing incipient signs of weakening in some states where coronavirus cases are mounting....


So the early reopenings that the Republicans wanted to boost the economy (and Pres Trump's re-election odds) now seem to be having the opposite effect due to the increased cases of COVID-19 in the states that reopened early.

Who would have thunk?


#6 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-06-25 02:56 PM | Reply

So maybe President Trump can help us out here. Is this still the first wave or are we on to the second wave yet?

#7 | Posted by moder8 at 2020-06-25 02:57 PM | Reply

Arizona Overwhelmed' With Demand for Tests as U.S. System Shows Strain
www.nytimes.com

...American coronavirus testing remains fragmented, as in the early days of the pandemic, and the bottlenecks are the same ones, too.

People seeking drive-up coronavirus tests in Phoenix faced a three-mile-long car line last weekend. On Friday, Arizona's largest laboratory received twice as many samples as it could process. The phone line for testing appointments at a large site on the state fairgrounds now opens at 7 a.m. with 800 callers already in the queue.

By 7:07 a.m., all 1,000 appointments for the day are typically taken.

"We are literally overwhelmed with the numbers requested," said Dr. Marjorie Bessel, chief clinical officer at Banner Health, the hospital system that runs the fairground site. "The testing is very popular, and very needed, but we don't have enough of it."...



Over four months into this and the United States still does not have testing working properly yet?

#8 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-06-25 03:06 PM | Reply

Here they won't test you without showing symptoms... but alot never show symptoms, they just spread it.
But if we test more, president all about image might look worse so let's just wait and die for Trumps reelection... its the patriotic thing to do

#9 | Posted by 503jc69 at 2020-06-25 03:33 PM | Reply

Lers liberate all 50!

#10 | Posted by fresno500 at 2020-06-25 03:38 PM | Reply

Like we've known since the middle of March:

"A pandemic will last 18 months or longer and could include multiple waves of illness."
US Government COVID-19 Response Plan

#11 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-25 04:01 PM | Reply

It's sad that people still believe COVID 19 is a hoax and the death count is made up.

#12 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-06-25 04:22 PM | Reply

And what a surprise, people who think COVID-19 is a hoax are same people who think the Holocaust was greatly exaggerated.

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-25 04:24 PM | Reply

My daughter has been exposed and got tested today....she finds out tomorrow.

She lives 150 miles away where she goes to college.

#14 | Posted by eberly at 2020-06-25 04:24 PM | Reply

All the best to your daughter, Eb.

How is she doing?

#15 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-06-25 04:43 PM | Reply

"Why Hasn't There Been A COVID Spike From The Protests?"

A much larger percentage of mask-wearers, the fact the protests were outside, and at least an attempt to physically distance when possible.

The first fact alone explains the math.

#17 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-06-25 05:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"The last thing we want to do as a state is go backwards and close down businesses," Gov. Greg Abbott said in a statement. "This temporary pause will help our state corral the spread until we can safely enter the next phase of opening our state for business."

The right's greed and idiotic devotion to "business" is killing people. Even when it's clear their policy is a disaster they refuse to go back to a more sound policy.

Because "business".

#18 | Posted by jpw at 2020-06-25 06:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

but...

So ... Why Hasn't There Been A COVID Spike From The Protests?

#16 | Posted by CallMeBwana at 2020-06-25 04:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

If you actually want to know - wearing masks, even if they are not that effective, can make a huge difference.

I posted these before: There was a study done that simulated a wide variety of variables, including the effectiveness of the masks, how many people wore them, and even if the wearing of a mask putting the individual at more risk by wearing it (such as from increased touching of the face). The results showed that even in the case where an individual wearing a mask had a higher chance of catching the virus, wearing masks still greatly reduced the spread. The study is here: https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rspa.2020.0376 Hopefully the link works. There's also an article on Ars discussing that study as well.

Bottom line, even if the masks aren't particularly effective, if everyone is wearing them, they work to control an outbreak.

#19 | Posted by StatsPlease at 2020-06-25 06:18 PM | Reply

"Why Hasn't There Been A COVID Spike From The Protests?" Um, Because there has and this is it? It just must not be spoken about. Not PC.

#20 | Posted by visitor_ at 2020-06-25 09:00 PM | Reply

Prediction from April 13, 2020:

"Red and blue will dissolve during the course of this pandemic into one color called COVID," says infectious disease expert Dr. Michael Osterholm.

"This virus will not miss one community. It will not miss one county. It won't miss one state."

twitter.com

#21 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-06-25 09:51 PM | Reply

Another idiot chimes in.

Protestors being tested are testing positive at similar rates to the general population.

Sorry, but your failed worldview is chalking up another "win".

#22 | Posted by jpw at 2020-06-25 09:52 PM | Reply

Just the facts on the 'surge'

Deaths today = 649
Death 1 week ago = 752 (-13.7%)
Deaths 3 weeks ago (start of BLM riots) = 1,046 (-38%)
Deaths from 6 weeks ago (start of re-open movement) = 1,636 (-60.3%)
Deaths from peak = 2,399 (-73%)

Remember how were were told to expect the surge from the re-open protests? We just had to wait 3 weeks? Well, 6 weeks later and we are down 60.3%. Same with the BLM riots, down 38% which is also 3 weeks later).

At some point, the fear mongers just need to admit that they don't have a clue about this pandemic as their predictions are just embarrassing.

#23 | Posted by STC_916 at 2020-06-25 10:51 PM | Reply

Interesting that you're focusing only on deaths and not cases.

#24 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2020-06-25 10:53 PM | Reply

At some point, the fear mongers just need to admit that they don't have a clue about this pandemic as their predictions are just embarrassing.

#23 | POSTED BY STC_916

Doesn't help that states are fudging numbers to play politics.

#25 | Posted by jpw at 2020-06-25 10:56 PM | Reply

"Interesting that you're focusing only on deaths and not cases.
#24 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE"

Because cases only matter when it leads to serious complications. Nearly 100% of liberals suffer from TDS, so I don't count cases. I only care about the crazies that shoot up soft ball games or shoot cops.

But I am curious - can you explain why the deaths are falling while cases are 'spiking' - and the "just wait 3 weeks nonsense" ship has sailed as I pointed out above....oh, and try to use actual data.

#26 | Posted by STC_916 at 2020-06-25 10:58 PM | Reply

"Doesn't help that states are fudging numbers to play politics.
#25 | POSTED BY JPW "

No, it doesn't but that is the predicted response when you financial incentivize them to over-report. According to Dr. Birx, that is a 25% over-reporting of cases.

#27 | Posted by STC_916 at 2020-06-25 10:59 PM | Reply

Can i explain?

Repeat after me, it's good for the soul:

"No, I can't."

Let's try another one:

"I don't know."

#28 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2020-06-25 11:00 PM | Reply

"No, I can't."
"I don't know."
#28 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE"

Good that you can admit that. Given that, however, one would assume you would refrain from chastising others and making predictions about the future when you cannot even explain the present or past.

#29 | Posted by STC_916 at 2020-06-25 11:02 PM | Reply

i question your methods given your hyperpartisan post history.

#30 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2020-06-25 11:03 PM | Reply

"i question your methods given your hyperpartisan post history.
#30 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE "

So the data on deaths is hyperpartisan?

#31 | Posted by STC_916 at 2020-06-25 11:05 PM | Reply

North Texas family shaken after 18 relatives test positive for COVID-19 following family gathering

Three are now hospitalized, including two elderly family members and one woman battling breast cancer.

As North Texas watches COVID-19 cases and hospitalizations surge, one family is shouldering a health crisis that they never expected to face.

That crisis, all began on May 30 when just a single relative, unknowingly infected with COVID-19, interacted with seven family members at a surprise birthday party who later tested positive.


www.kvue.com

This case isn't about protesters of any kind, but it does demonstrate that it often takes several weeks for an infected person to die:

Carole has been hospitalized since June 13, and Frank has been in a hospital since June 17.

Frank is in the ICU and is on life support. Barbosa told WFAA that he is inches away from being put on a ventilator.

"My dad's hanging on by a thread," Barbosa said. "They're saying this is one of the last straws for my dad."


Deaths may not be up, but cases and hospitalizations are. If deaths don't also go up in the next few weeks, that will be very welcome news, but I think it is too soon to tell if that will be the case.

#32 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-06-25 11:07 PM | Reply

"Because cases only matter when it leads to serious complications."

That's why I pointed out that hospitalization rates are up:

Record spikes in U.S. coronavirus cases push up hospitalization rates in 16 states

Coronavirus hospitalizations, like new cases and deaths, are an important measure of the outbreak as it helps health officials gauge how severe it may be.

Hospitalizations from Covid-19 are also rising in 16 states as of Wednesday, according to a CNBC analysis of data compiled by the Covid Tracking Project.


www.cnbc.com

#33 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-06-25 11:11 PM | Reply

"...cases only matter when it leads to serious complications."

You just failed Health 101, where they teach about lingering maleffects.

Any other ignorance you'd like to parade?

#34 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-06-25 11:19 PM | Reply

The true number of Americans who've been infected with COVID-19 may top 20 million, according to new estimates from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
"Our best estimate right now is that for every case that's reported, there actually are 10 other infections," Dr. Robert Redfield, director of the CDC, said on a call with reporters Thursday.

It's unbelievable how badly #----------- has botched the response to this pandemic.

#35 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2020-06-25 11:21 PM | Reply

If younger people got sick first at the protests, it could take a week or two for older and more vulnerable people to get sick. Then it might take several weeks for those older, more vulnerable people to die. I don't think 3 weeks is enough time to know what the impact of the BLM protests is. From early indications, it's looking like those protests, which took place outdoors and with many wearing masks may not have much impact on the coronavirus spread. As a NYer who fears a return to peak levels of hospitalization and death, I pray that is the case and will breath a sigh of relief in a few more weeks when that is certain.

#36 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-06-25 11:22 PM | Reply

Then it might take several weeks for those older, more vulnerable people to die.

Basing this on personal experience and on:

"the average length of hospital stay . . in the U.S. . . was 11 days for survivors and 15 days for nonsurvivors."

www.medicalnewstoday.com

However, there is hope:

Colorado's COVID-19 patients fared better in May than at pandemic's start, hospital data shows

Death rate for hospitalized patients dropped from more than 15% in March and April to about 10.5% in May

The death rate for hospitalized COVID-19 patients in Colorado dropped from more than 15% in March and April to about 10.5% in May. The health systems didn't run a statistical analysis to rule out random fluctuations or changes in the patient population, but increasing knowledge likely played a role, said Dr. William Neff, chief medical officer at UCHealth.

The average hospital stay also fell from about 12 days to 7 days over that period. COVID-19 patients who needed ventilators spent more time in the hospital than other patients, but their average stay also was shorter in May than in March, the earliest days of the pandemic.


www.denverpost.com

#37 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-06-25 11:36 PM | Reply

No, it doesn't but that is the predicted response when you financial incentivize them to over-report. According to Dr. Birx, that is a 25% over-reporting of cases.

#27 | POSTED BY STC_916

Predictable conspiracy theory being regurgitated.

And Birx is an idiot. A fantastic example of how we should follow the Europeans and enact mandatory retirement before a scientist becomes stale.

#38 | Posted by jpw at 2020-06-25 11:42 PM | Reply

Also, the level of overall deaths is significantly elevated over the same period in previous years.

#39 | Posted by jpw at 2020-06-25 11:43 PM | Reply

#38; still sarcastic?

Brix might suck but she's enough of the devil that I don't need to know more.

#40 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-25 11:52 PM | Reply

No, I meant it. The euro policy is a good one.

And I've been thoroughly unimpressed with Birx in this matter. She's more concerned with keeping her job than anything else.

#41 | Posted by jpw at 2020-06-25 11:56 PM | Reply

"Also, the level of overall deaths is significantly elevated over the same period in previous years.
#39 | POSTED BY JPW "

I never claimed that people are not dying from it or that a ton of people died from it earlier in the pandemic. Blue state governors running nursing homes as extermination camps ensured that was the case.

However, it is undeniable that deaths are down 70-80% from the peak. Also, it is undeniable that deaths are down significantly from when the re-open protests began.

Because Liberals want to sweep the deaths directly caused by Gov. Cuomo (interesting how his press coverage has dropped to zero), the liberals cannot seem to understand why deaths are down while cases are up. You see this with Yav. No idea how cases can spike but no hospitals require refrigeration trucks for corpses like they did in NYC.

#42 | Posted by STC_916 at 2020-06-26 12:35 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

My daughter has been exposed and got tested today....she finds out tomorrow.
She lives 150 miles away where she goes to college.
#14 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2020-06-25 04:24 PM

It appears to inhabit waterways months prior to infection. It might be spread to those locations as an aeorsol.

Anyhow, I am still planning on nebulizing ionic silver in small periods to prevent respiratory inflammation due to repeated exposure.

My test came back negative and I work around thousands per shift. Testing isn't necessarily making us more aware or possibly even determining infections, imo. We're all on our own, imo.

#43 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2020-06-26 12:39 AM | Reply

SadTrumpClown_911?

One had to wonder what impresses him most about Trump, his deep abiding moral sense or his vast intellectual capacity?

Maybe it's his reality show money.

#44 | Posted by Corky at 2020-06-26 12:42 AM | Reply

"One had to wonder what impresses him most about Trump
#44 | POSTED BY CORKY "

Why are you trying so desperately to insert Trump into this conversation? You sound like an spurned ex girlfriend. Have some dignity.

#45 | Posted by STC_916 at 2020-06-26 12:46 AM | Reply

You sound like an spurned ex girlfriend.

You sound like a bot.

#46 | Posted by REDIAL at 2020-06-26 12:52 AM | Reply

- insert Trump into this conversation?

Thread is about the current pandemic surge, which pandemic your Dear Leader implied is a political hoax and which many of his lemmings consider it so.

But it is wise of you not to attempt to comment on Trump's moral character and intellectual prowess.

I mean, it's not like you want to defend the indefensible, right?

#47 | Posted by Corky at 2020-06-26 01:25 AM | Reply

- like a bot.

www.youtube.com

#48 | Posted by Corky at 2020-06-26 01:35 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"But it is wise of you not to attempt to comment on Trump's moral character and intellectual prowess."

If I were to guess, I would put Trump's IQ around 1 standard deviation or more above your own. For Trump, I would guess his IQ is in the 115 - 120 range. For you, I see your IQ at slightly below average but not to the point where you qualify as developmentally deficient.

#47 | POSTED BY CORKY '

#49 | Posted by STC_916 at 2020-06-26 02:02 AM | Reply

"But I am curious - can you explain why the deaths are falling while cases are 'spiking' "

Younger, healthier people are being infected at higher rates than in the past:

Florida Coronavirus Cases Surge Among Young People, Median Age Now At 35
www.ibtimes.com

More Young People Are Testing Positive for COVID-19 in the U.S. Here's What That Could Mean for the Outbreak
time.com

As Virus Surges, Younger People Account for Disturbing' Number of Cases
People in their 20s, 30s and 40s account for a growing proportion of the cases in many places, raising fears that asymptomatic young people are helping to fuel the virus's spread.
www.nytimes.com

#50 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-06-26 07:03 AM | Reply

"I never claimed that people are not dying from it or that a ton of people died from it earlier in the pandemic. Blue state governors running nursing homes as extermination camps ensured that was the case."

It's not a red state vs blue state problem:

71% of coronavirus deaths in Ohio, 24% of cases linked to long-term care facilities

Although new coronavirus infections and deaths have decreased in nursing homes, assisted-living and other skilled nursing facilities, they still account for seven of every 10 deaths and almost a quarter of all cases, according to Ohio Department of Health data.

www.the-review.com

#51 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-06-26 07:11 AM | Reply

Two articles on Drudge with two very different conclusions (one saying there is a spike and another saying there isn't) but use the same Leftist spin. Lib hypocrisy has gotten so bad that you can't even hide it effectively anymore.

#52 | Posted by humtake at 2020-06-26 08:27 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

However, it is undeniable that deaths are down 70-80% from the peak. Also, it is undeniable that deaths are down significantly from when the re-open protests began.

We'll see if that remains the case in 1-2 weeks. Deaths lag behind cases as you're tested positive when you start showing symptoms.

Also, you're not acknowledging the stifling of stats by many red state governors. Ironic, since you make the false claim that "liberals" want to sweep NY's deaths under the rug...

No idea how cases can spike but no hospitals require refrigeration trucks for corpses like they did in NYC.

Along with the above simple case loads can explain that. You guys consistently are unable to grasp basics of this, including how population density plays and plaid a role in why NYC went the way it did and why NYC is a very different animal.

#53 | Posted by jpw at 2020-06-26 09:30 AM | Reply

If I were to guess, I would put Trump's IQ around 1 standard deviation or more above your own. For Trump, I would guess his IQ is in the 115 - 120 range.
#49 | POSTED BY STC_916

LOL there's no way he has an IQ of 120.

If he does, then he must be on some serious stuff (and has been for a long time) for his rambling stream of consciousness "speech" to be how his brain functions.

#54 | Posted by jpw at 2020-06-26 09:34 AM | Reply

Two articles on Drudge with two very different conclusions (one saying there is a spike and another saying there isn't) but use the same Leftist spin. Lib hypocrisy has gotten so bad that you can't even hide it effectively anymore.

#52 | POSTED BY HUMTAKE

I'm betting you're completely wrong on this.

#55 | Posted by jpw at 2020-06-26 09:35 AM | Reply

How is she doing?

#15 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

totally fine for now. Thanks for asking.

#56 | Posted by eberly at 2020-06-26 09:50 AM | Reply

#29 | POSTED BY STC_916

Wow, you are an idiot.

"Daily deaths are down"
ICU beds are filling up. Infection rates are way up. That deaths are down doesn't matter nor will it likely last long.

"Hospitals are financially incentivized to report everything as COVID-19"
No. They financial benefit from a covid patient to a non-covid patient is so minimal for them that it makes no difference.

#57 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-06-26 01:09 PM | Reply

Because Liberals want to sweep the deaths directly caused by Gov. Cuomo (interesting how his press coverage has dropped to zero), the liberals cannot seem to understand why deaths are down while cases are up. You see this with Yav. No idea how cases can spike but no hospitals require refrigeration trucks for corpses like they did in NYC.

#42 | POSTED BY STC_916

Cases are down in NYC. So Cuomo isn't getting much coverage other than when they talk about the huge drop and the quarantine for out of staters (good job Cuomo).

#58 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-06-26 01:10 PM | Reply

Two articles on Drudge with two very different conclusions (one saying there is a spike and another saying there isn't) but use the same Leftist spin. Lib hypocrisy has gotten so bad that you can't even hide it effectively anymore.

#52 | POSTED BY HUMTAKE

There is no article on the Drudge or anywhere saying there isn't a spike.

What the hell is wrong with you?

#59 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-06-26 01:11 PM | Reply

No idea how cases can spike but no hospitals require refrigeration trucks for corpses like they did in NYC.

#42 | POSTED BY STC_916

Because it is spread out. It's not all in one place. But don't think they are Not going to be needed if Trumpy keeps Not testing and keeps lying. Some hospitals are already reaching capacity. When they go over capacity and all the hospitals in neighboring states are also at or over capacity that's when the real fun begins. I know you can't wait but give a few weeks. You will get your wish.

Trumpy lied and hundreds of thousands will die.

#60 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-06-26 01:26 PM | Reply

- developmentally deficient.

#49 | POSTED BY STC_916

Self-knowledge is an achievement unto itself. Good job!

#61 | Posted by Corky at 2020-06-26 02:11 PM | Reply

Wonderful news, everyone! Mike Pence at a press conference earlier today:

"We have made truly remarkable progress in moving our nation forward."

The number of cases reached a new record yesterday. Not two months ago. Yesterday. In Trump world, up is down.

#62 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2020-06-26 02:23 PM | Reply

During a press briefing held by the White House coronavirus task force, a reporter directly challenged Vice President Mike Pence over the actions of his administration as opposed to the guidelines they're issuing to combat the coronavirus.

"It really does sound though like you're saying, 'Do as we say, not as we do,'" the reporter said. "You're telling people to listen to local officials, but in Tulsa you defied local health officials - to have an event that even though you say didn't result in a spike, dozens of Secret Service agents, dozens of campaign staffers are now quarantined after positive tests. And then in Arizona, one of the hardest-hit states, you packed a church with young people who weren't wearing masks. So how can you say the [Trump campaign] is not part of the problem that Dr. Fauci laid out."

"Well, I want to remind you again that freedom of speech and the right to peaceably assemble is enshrined in the Constitution of the United States," Pence replied.

Raw Story

Truly no shame.

#63 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2020-06-26 02:28 PM | Reply

"Well, I want to remind you again that freedom of speech and the right to peaceably assemble is enshrined in the Constitution of the United States," Pence replied.

^
This is the epitome of FreeDumb.

Trump has made America a laughingstock on the world stage.

#64 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-26 02:56 PM | Reply

Vice President Mike Pence hosted the first White House Coronavirus Task Force briefing in nearly two months on Friday, focusing most of his remarks on pre-packaged positive spin, some lies, and few facts.

"I just encourage every American to continue to pray," the Vice President said. "Pray for all the families that have lost loved ones. Pray for our health care workers on the front lines. And just continue to pray that, by God's grace every single day, will each of us do our part to heal our land."

And when asked, "Do you expect the daily rate to go up in the next three or four weeks, just like we're seeing the rates of infection go up now," Pence's reply was just, "Well, our hope and our prayer is that's not the case."

Raw Story

There you have it - the Trump admin's plan for rising cases is literally a hope and a prayer.

#65 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2020-06-26 03:31 PM | Reply

The reality of being an american: There are only enough hospital beds for people that can pay. The whole system is for profit and not for health. I think it should be a human right to have healthcare. If we can afford navy ships and new space forces we can help the sick.

#66 | Posted by Brennnn at 2020-06-26 05:31 PM | Reply

Two articles on Drudge with two very different conclusions (one saying there is a spike and another saying there isn't) but use the same Leftist spin. Lib hypocrisy has gotten so bad that you can't even hide it effectively anymore.
#52 | POSTED BY HUMTAKE
There is no article on the Drudge or anywhere saying there isn't a spike.
What the hell is wrong with you?
#59 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

Still nothing? No second article on the DR saying cases are not spiking? Still lying and running award like a little cry baby (aka Trumper) as usual?

Go crawl back in your hole and don't come out.

#67 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-06-26 05:32 PM | Reply

Another record number of new cases today.

"We have made truly remarkable progress in moving our nation forward." - Mike Pence this morning

#68 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2020-06-26 05:42 PM | Reply

"No second article on the DR saying cases are not spiking?"
*****
Right on the front page of the DR:

So, Why Hasn't There Been a Covid Spike from the Protests? (46 comments) .

#69 | Posted by zetaleph at 2020-06-26 05:48 PM | Reply

Are you proudly proclaiming you're as stupid as that idiot?

COVID-19 infection has spiked all over the U.S. - now in 34 states.
Right-wingnuts proclaimed the spikes (when it was only 21 states or less) was due to the protests.
The protests have been proven not to be the cause.
That is the "second article on the DR."

Dummy posts the story on the protests not being the cause of the spike on this thread about the spike implying that their can't be a spike because the protests didn't spread it.

And you come along with #69.

Thinking about this a bit more, you can forget the question I asked.

#70 | Posted by YAV at 2020-06-26 05:56 PM | Reply

"Well, I want to remind you again that freedom of speech and the right to peaceably assemble is enshrined in the Constitution of the United States," Pence replied."

What an ---.

No one said you can't assemble peaceably. When you assemble in a manner that harms others that is not peaceable.

Wear masks and social distance. Figure it out. Quit pretending there is no danger.

You do not have the right to endanger my life and the lives of others with your actions.

And you are personally responsible for your actions.

The President and his team are personally responsible for the unnecessary deaths of hundreds of thousands of Americans.

Simply put. It's Criminal Negligence.

#71 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-06-26 06:24 PM | Reply

"The protests have been proven not to be the cause."

It's asinine to argue they haven't been a contributing factor. Lemme guess - had it not been for the protests the spikes would have been even higher?

#72 | Posted by zetaleph at 2020-06-26 06:25 PM | Reply

#72 - Look at the rate of infection of the protesters and contrast that with the general population. Oh wait, that's in the linked story on that page. Then do some basic math. It's not complicated.

And own up to what I said in #70 and prove the question I asked about you can be answered other than what I assumed, rather than post again trying to prove me right.

#73 | Posted by YAV at 2020-06-26 06:36 PM | Reply

Pretty sure there was a spike in Michigan after the haircut protesters stormed the State House.

So if there's a spike from BLM, we'd see that too.

#74 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-26 06:39 PM | Reply

I'm in DC metro and we've not had a surge. The anarchist have for the most part been masking their pie holes.

#75 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2020-06-26 06:40 PM | Reply

Covid deaths today: 663
Covid deaths 1 week prior: 729

9% decrease from prior week, 74.4% decline from the peak.

#76 | Posted by STC_916 at 2020-06-26 09:24 PM | Reply

There's a ~23 day lag between new case reporting and fatalities. Let's hope the skew towards younger folks mitigates that.

#77 | Posted by YAV at 2020-06-26 09:27 PM | Reply

There's a ~23 day lag between new case reporting and fatalities. Let's hope the skew towards younger folks mitigates that.

#77 | POSTED BY YAV

Deaths 4 weeks prior: 1233 (down 49%)
Deaths 3 weeks prior: 987 (down 36%)
again, current deaths = 663

#78 | Posted by STC_916 at 2020-06-26 09:36 PM | Reply

40,000 new cases today and Bagdad Bob Pence goes on TV and lies his ass off that the US is flattening the curve.

#79 | Posted by Nixon at 2020-06-26 09:51 PM | Reply

Why is this guy is allowed to keep posting his disinformation here?

The seven day moving average of new COVID-19 cases in USA has been on the rise since June 9.
And it's up 70%. From 21,282 to 36,148.
www.worldometers.info

#80 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-26 10:18 PM | Reply

E.U. To bar travelers from Dotardian scheisse-hole. MAGA!!

www.nytimes.com

#81 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2020-06-26 10:22 PM | Reply

STC - These charts from Florida shows what I'm talking about and how what I said is proving accurate:
www.clickorlando.com
Go to the second graph.
Below the graph, click on the text for each category to turn on/off.
Turn on just new cases reported for the day and turn everything else off. The trend is unmistakable.
Turn on new hospitalizations reported for the day/turn off new cases reported for the day,
Turn on new deaths reported for the day/turn off new hospitalizations reported for the day

New cases have just started to blow up at an incredible rate.
Hospitalization is accelerating, lagging by about 7-11 days.
Deaths have not yet changed, as is expected.
The trends should be obvious,

There are many sites out there that provide this information in various forms. I always cite my sources. For instance I refer to these two sites a lot:
experience.arcgis.com
experience.arcgis.com

#82 | Posted by YAV at 2020-06-26 10:38 PM | Reply

"The seven day moving average of new COVID-19 cases in USA has been on the rise since June 9.
#80 | POSTED BY SNOOFY "

And the death rate is down 10-20% week over week for the last month+. Your hyperventilation over case counts is meaningless as we have no baseline for how many cases we had 2 months ago simply because we have so many asymptomatic people not get tested where now they are. You do realize the rate of positive test results is shockingly low, correct?

"Why is this guy is allowed to keep posting his disinformation here?"

There is not a single thing I have posted that is false. Hell, we are getting our data from the same source. You want to argue that deaths are up when they are not? That is fake news.

#83 | Posted by STC_916 at 2020-06-26 10:40 PM | Reply

"E.U. To bar travelers from Dotardian scheisse-hole. MAGA!!
#81 | POSTED BY REINHEITSGEBOT "

I am going to go out on a limb and state:

1.) When Trump banned travel from other countries, you wailed incessantly
2.) When Trump called other countries s-holes, you wailed incessantly

Yet, you revel when other countries ENFORCE BORDERS and have no problem calling the US ------ country.

A question for you - what should the EU do if an American sneaks across the border into the US. Should they allow them to stay and given them social benefits?

#84 | Posted by STC_916 at 2020-06-26 10:44 PM | Reply

Are the Europeans going to follow the example of Bunker Bitch and snuff out American toddlers in concentration camps?

#85 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2020-06-26 10:51 PM | Reply

"Are the Europeans going to follow the example of Bunker Bitch and snuff out American toddlers in concentration camps?

#85 | POSTED BY REINHEITSGEBOT "

Well, here are the EU holding refugees in cages.

One will have to debate whether these are higher quality cages and facilities than the "Obama Cages" that Trump inherited.

www.vice.com

I assume you are receiving offline messages from the liberals on this site to stop posting as you are weakening their arguments.

#86 | Posted by STC_916 at 2020-06-26 11:03 PM | Reply

Yay! Greece has adults in pens so we can't be all that bad!

#87 | Posted by YAV at 2020-06-26 11:05 PM | Reply

Bunker Bitch's concentration camp body count.

www.bbc.com

#88 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2020-06-26 11:08 PM | Reply

"Yay! Greece has adults in pens so we can't be all that bad!
#87 | POSTED BY YAV"

Your argument is with the uninformed REINHEITSGEBOT that didn't seem aware that Greece also has Obama Cages.

#89 | Posted by STC_916 at 2020-06-26 11:10 PM | Reply

Exactly Reinheitsgebot!

Besides, WTF does his link about the Greece situation have to do with toddlers being ripped from their parents and kept in pens and cages is beyond me. So dishonest.

Oh, and the "Obama cages" meme died a long time ago when the truth came out.

This is why I said "You've been lying since you arrived in this incarnation" on a different thread, STC.

#90 | Posted by YAV at 2020-06-26 11:10 PM | Reply

"obama cages"

Language always gives liars away.

#91 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2020-06-26 11:12 PM | Reply

And you're applauding reducing America to crap while likely wearing a MAGA hat, right STC?

But hey, it gets you out of the fire you put yourself in by posting crap "analysis" on COVID-19.

#92 | Posted by YAV at 2020-06-26 11:12 PM | Reply

Good to see you posting, Alexandrite!
I'm out for now -

#93 | Posted by YAV at 2020-06-26 11:13 PM | Reply

""obama cages"
Language always gives liars away.

#91 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE"

Obama Cages from 2014

qz.com

Unless you want to argue that Trump forced Obama to make them 2 years before he became president. Just accept the fact, Obama put kids in cages. Trump just followed his example.

#94 | Posted by STC_916 at 2020-06-26 11:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

We've covered this ad nadeem from loony right-wingers when Trump was doing this. You're late to the party You're also stretching the truth so far as to make you look like you're stuck in a fun house mirror.

What you're trying to make equivalent isn't even in the same state.

#95 | Posted by YAV at 2020-06-27 12:28 AM | Reply

"You're also stretching the truth so far as to make you look like you're stuck in a fun house mirror.
#95 | POSTED BY YAV "

So Obama did not convert warehouses into cages and then put kids in them? That is 100% factually accurate and you don't have a leg to stand on if you claim otherwise.

#96 | Posted by STC_916 at 2020-06-27 12:31 AM | Reply

Republican Trump-loving governor in my state which saw record new cases yesterday.

If Trump hadn't made not wearing masks a political statement, America would be a lot better off now.

The America of WW2 bought bonds, donated metal, accepted gas rationing, shortages of most everything but home grown food, signed up to fight, worked in factories ...

We banded together as a nation to fight a common enemy. COVID-19 is a common enemy that's harming people and our economy

#97 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-06-27 03:03 AM | Reply

Why is this guy is allowed to keep posting his disinformation here?

The seven day moving average of new COVID-19 cases in USA has been on the rise since June 9.
And it's up 70%. From 21,282 to 36,148.
www.worldometers.info

#80 | Posted by snoofy

Both of you are using stats to skew toward your own claims. By the data, both of your are right. To say "why is he able to post here" for posting facts just like you are is disingenuous. The exact same case can be made for why are you allowed to post..

#98 | Posted by boaz at 2020-06-27 09:39 AM | Reply

Trump just followed his example.

#94 | POSTED BY STC_916

Trumpy followed Obama's example?

Unpossible!

Trumpys Mission is undoing and throwing out everything Obama did. It's his promise to his deplorables.

He is explicitly NOT following any of Obama's "examples". (Especially Obama's epidemic playbook.)

#99 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-06-27 12:56 PM | Reply

And 100% caused by mass protests. Period. If you don't believe that, I don't know how to help you.

#100 | Posted by ABH at 2020-06-27 01:34 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

100%, that's a lot.

Was it like 50% haircut protests and 50% BLM protests?

#101 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-27 02:22 PM | Reply

"for posting facts just like you are"

No.
He's painting the picture that COVID-19 is in decline.
He's lying.

#102 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-27 02:24 PM | Reply

"So Obama did not convert warehouses into cages and then put kids in them?"

See what I mean, Boaz?
Obama didn't separate kids from their parents.
Only Trump did that.

#103 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-27 02:25 PM | Reply

1.) When Trump banned travel from other countries, you wailed incessantly
2.) When Trump called other countries s-holes, you wailed incessantly

^
When Trump let coronavirus come to America, you didn't give Trump any credit at all for letting that happen.

#104 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-27 02:28 PM | Reply

Yay! Greece has adults in pens so we can't be all that bad!
#87 | POSTED BY YAV

I was trying to figure out his point as well.

Apparently he's one of those people that looks for how low the bar is set and feel comfortable matching it.

#105 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-06-27 02:28 PM | Reply

"And the death rate is down 10-20% week over week for the last month+."

Case up 70%, death rate down 20%.

Does that mean more death or less death?

#106 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-27 02:29 PM | Reply

1.) When Trump banned travel from other countries, you wailed incessantly

His ban of Muslim countries? How, relevant?


2.) When Trump called other countries s-holes, you wailed incessantly

Have no clue how this connects to anything. Are you here to remind us of all the stupid stuff Trump said?

#107 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-06-27 02:31 PM | Reply

"You want to argue that deaths are up when they are not?"

Anyway:
A pandemic will last 18 months or longer and could include multiple waves of illness.

#108 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-27 02:32 PM | Reply

Both of you are using stats to skew toward your own claims. By the data, both of your are right.

Bit of them? Prove it.

To say "why is he able to post here" for posting facts just like you are is disingenuous.

You have yet to prove they were "both" using skewed numbers. So you can't claim one is being disingenuous.

The exact same case can be made for why are you allowed to post..
#98 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Not necessarily. It's pretty clear you don't know what you're talking about.

#109 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-06-27 02:37 PM | Reply

And 100% caused by mass protests. Period. If you don't believe that, I don't know how to help you.

Interesting. I'm not saying you're dumb. Question, though; do they let you use safety scissors?

#110 | Posted by YAV at 2020-06-27 02:53 PM | Reply

A lot of times, when they teach kids to use scissors in school it has something to do with learning fractions and percentages, which ABH clearly doesn't understand.

#111 | Posted by horstngraben at 2020-06-27 03:17 PM | Reply

#111 - There are some nice youtube videos on just that, Horstngraben. :)

#112 | Posted by YAV at 2020-06-27 03:39 PM | Reply

Case up 70%, death rate down 20%.

Does that mean more death or less death?

#106 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

perhaps that is positive in another sense?

Did you test positively toward the negative? Or negative to the positive ?

If you tested negative. ... that's a way of saying positively toward the negative!

In others words. I have no idea. Whatever you do... don't swap the negative lead with the positive lead!

#113 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-06-27 04:50 PM | Reply

112-crap, hope I didn't take your bait.

#114 | Posted by horstngraben at 2020-06-27 05:10 PM | Reply

#114 - LMAO!
No, that's one of my standard smart-ass come backs!

#115 | Posted by YAV at 2020-06-27 05:12 PM | Reply

That you can't correlate groups of Tens of thousands of people, wearing masks or not to an increase in infections Is eye poppingly stupid.

Masks slow down, not eliminate transmission. So tens of thousands of people not social distancing butWearing masks will make new cases of the virus.... just a smaller percentage than if they weren't wearing masks. The protests caused infections. Lots of them. That is not a condemnation of the protests or saying they weren't for a good reason or cause. But they did result in an increase in people contacting the virus.

It Is breathtakingly Stupid to think otherwise.

The idiotic protests to reopen in places like Michigan were such small scale. their impact on the case curve is small, but absolutely contributed to more people being infected.

#116 | Posted by ABH at 2020-06-27 06:06 PM | Reply

"That you can't correlate groups of Tens of thousands of people, wearing masks or not to an increase in infections Is eye poppingly stupid."

Two questions:
1. Do you think Trump correlated that, when he had his rally in Oklahoma?
2. Are you voting for Trump?

#117 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-27 06:08 PM | Reply

Of course that rally caused an increase in infections and was a turrible idea. But the virus has a roughly two week incubation period. There will be an increase in infections in a week or so from it. But we are right at the peak to see an increase from the protests... and low and behold, there it is. A huge spike. So weird.

Not that it matters, but I'll answer: no I didn't vote for him last election and have no plans to do so in this one.

#118 | Posted by ABH at 2020-06-27 06:15 PM | Reply

Oh, you're one of those Third Party voters, huh?
Figures that you can't even take a stand.

#119 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-27 06:17 PM | Reply

"But we are right at the peak to see an increase from the protests."

Like, where do you get these ideas from?

Seriously, how many people do you think went to protests vs. how many people do you think went to churches?

#120 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-27 06:19 PM | Reply

Third party? Only sometimes. I vote for the candidate, not the party. I have voted for democrat, Republican, and libertarian presidential candidates.

#121 | Posted by ABH at 2020-06-27 06:19 PM | Reply

ABH - you do realize there was an entire thread on that subject, and that testing was done specifically on the protesters and the rate of infection was compared against the rate of infection from the general population? It wasn't just masks and the physical distancing which they did a pretty good job of considering, it was also because the protests were outdoors. The argument you're making has been put to rest..

#122 | Posted by YAV at 2020-06-27 06:20 PM | Reply

#120. And how many went to church and then carried it to a massive protest and spread it around? Can you honestly say that a group of say 60,000 in a city like Houston two weeks so isn'ta direct factor in them having their highest one day totals so far? To deny that is willfully ignorant.

#123 | Posted by ABH at 2020-06-27 06:21 PM | Reply

"I vote for the candidate, not the party."

Oh great.
You're one of those people who voted for W. because he's the kind of guy you could have a beer with.
Like that's what matters about a candidate. Not the platform he stands for. It's all about being mesmerized by John Edwards haircut for you.

#124 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-27 06:22 PM | Reply

"Can you honestly say that a group of say 60,000 in a city like Houston two weeks so isn'ta direct factor in them having their highest one day totals so far?"

Actually, this is what contact tracing tell us.
There's truly no need to speculate.
Unless of course Texas isn't doing contact tracing, instead opting to just let it wash over them.

#125 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-27 06:23 PM | Reply

"And how many went to church and then carried it to a massive protest and spread it around?"

I'm going with very few, since only hard-right churches opened their doors during all this.

#126 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-27 06:24 PM | Reply

122. I'd have to see the studies methodology. But that many people that close together we'll have an effect, outdoors or not. If outdoors is okay, why all the crying over opening beaches in Florida? I've seen the pictures of several of the protests, and they were certainly not 6 feet apart.

#127 | Posted by ABH at 2020-06-27 06:25 PM | Reply

"it was also because the protests were outdoors."

This is a huge factor.
If Republicans truly believed All Lives Matter, Trump would have cancelled his rally... or at least held it outdoors.

#128 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-27 06:28 PM | Reply

"If outdoors is okay, why all the crying over opening beaches in Florida?"

Because young people go to the beach in Florida to get close to each other, not to stay apart.

#129 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-27 06:29 PM | Reply

And 60,000 gathering in a park have no choice but to get close. It's the same thing. They have the same effect. The protests were held for a valid reason. I am not debating that, but to deny the result is insane. Cause meet effect.

#130 | Posted by ABH at 2020-06-27 06:32 PM | Reply

I'm not denying the result.
Humans spread the virus in plenty of ways besides going to the park.
For example, they can go to work at Tyson and spread the virus, and spread it much better than going to the park.

#131 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-27 06:38 PM | Reply

If outdoors is okay, why all the crying over opening beaches in Florida?

Outdoors with a mask.
That's not what happens at the beach.

To be fair there's a beach near me that's not crowded at all and I'd be comfortable going there and not wearing a mask.
But the beaches most people know like Daytona, Miami Beach, Ft. Lauderdale? Absolutely not for me.

#132 | Posted by YAV at 2020-06-27 06:46 PM | Reply

The US's new surge in coronavirus cases, explained
www.vox.com
The simple answer is states started to relax their restrictions and reopen their economies " giving employers, employees, and patrons a chance to go back out into the world and interact, fueling new cases.

It's possible to lift restrictions slowly and safely, and a few states are meeting the benchmarks that experts recommend to do that. But most never fully controlled their outbreaks, instead forging ahead with reopening.

A mix of carelessness and partisanship is to blame. Under Trump, the federal government and some states appeared to prioritize the economy over public health, voicing discontent with the restrictions. Trump called to "LIBERATE" states from shutdowns. Some Americans took up that messaging, reopening their businesses and going back out. Mask-wearing became a politicized issue, and segments of the population rejected face coverings and other precautions against Covid-19.

#133 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-27 06:47 PM | Reply

few paragraphs down...

The increases in Covid-19 cases coincide with the Black Lives Matter protests, but the research and data so far suggest the protests didn't cause a significant spike in coronavirus spread. Experts argue that may be a result of the demonstrations mostly taking place outside and protesters embracing steps, such as wearing masks, that mitigate the risk of transmission.

In some places, the rise in cases appears to be hitting a younger demographic. Some Texas and Florida counties, for example, reported that people under 30 made up a growing share " and even a majority " of coronavirus cases.

That's likely a result of young people being the most willing to go out and about as social distancing ends, perhaps because they perceive themselves as being at lower risk.

#134 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-27 06:48 PM | Reply

I posted a thread earlier this week about the fact that researchers specifically tracked and tested protest participants in multiple cities and are finding out their infection rates are LOWER than the general population.

The reasons are at least two-fold. First, the protests took place outside where normal airflow patterns makes it much harder for the virus to transmit, and two, the percentages of protesters wearing masks and practicing distancing was over 50% which actually provided evident herd protections.

Research was just released yesterday showing the there is a marked increase of infections directly tied to indoor restaurants and bars - places where people gather and breath the same recirculated air for extended periods of time.

#135 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-06-27 07:13 PM | Reply

In some places, the rise in cases appears to be hitting a younger demographic. Some Texas and Florida counties, for example, reported that people under 30 made up a growing share " and even a majority " of coronavirus cases.

The death's have been falling faster than new cases for some time. While I understand the current increase hasn't really had time to affect the death rate it has been falling faster than the new case rate since late April early May. I have to wonder if more younger folks getting it is a factor in that statistic. If so and their youth does help them then perhaps we will get lucky in another week or so and the deaths will not spike as severely as cases have.

#136 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2020-06-27 07:25 PM | Reply

"If so and their youth does help them then perhaps we will get lucky in another week or so and the deaths will not spike as severely as cases have.
#136 | POSTED BY TAOWARRIOR "

Deaths will not spike at all. There is a host of reasons for this. But I compliment you on your ability to actually reach a graph. I suggest you teach Snoofy this skill, she needs the help.

#137 | Posted by STC_916 at 2020-06-27 08:16 PM | Reply

reach a graph

Was it on the top shelf?

#138 | Posted by YAV at 2020-06-27 10:10 PM | Reply

"Deaths will not spike at all."

So, no estimate of the death toll at pandemic's end, in 18-ish months?

#139 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-28 12:14 PM | Reply

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