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Friday, June 26, 2020

In a filing with the Supreme Court, the Trump administration has reaffirmed its position that the Affordable Care Act in its entirety is illegal because Congress eliminated the individual tax penalty for failing to purchase medical insurance.

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Orange Hitler is so jealous of Obama's continued popularity while he is reviled by most Americans that he feel some bizarre need to destroy all of Obama's achievements. It's what insecure sociopaths do.

#1 | Posted by danni at 2020-06-26 08:27 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

This is Orange Hitler trying to burn Paris before the Allies get there.

#2 | Posted by Zed at 2020-06-26 08:34 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

The court is likely to hear the case in the fall.
This is the operative reality: As long as Biden wins the election and the Democrats win control of all three branches of government the case is already moot. The SCOTUS ruling wouldn't come until well after the new Congress is seated and replacement legislation can be passed - regardless of this case's outcome.

So let's just win and move forward from ACA's weaknesses and vulnerabilities towards something even better to serve the American public.

#3 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-06-26 09:07 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Only a monster would attempt to deprive millions of health insurance in the middle of a pandemic.

#4 | Posted by qcp at 2020-06-26 09:09 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"This is Orange Hitler trying to burn Paris before the Allies get there."

I do agree but at least the German Generals refused to carry out Hitler's orders on that, hope our Generals today will do the same thing if Trump goes too far.

#5 | Posted by danni at 2020-06-26 09:43 AM | Reply

" The SCOTUS ruling wouldn't come until well after the new Congress is seated and replacement legislation can be passed - regardless of this case's outcome."

And wouldn't it be great if the impetus to pass MforAll came as a result of Trump's overturning ACA!

#6 | Posted by danni at 2020-06-26 09:45 AM | Reply

It's not A monster.

It's 35% of our voting population are monsters.

#7 | Posted by jpw at 2020-06-26 09:46 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

"It's 35% of our voting population are monsters.
#7 | POSTED BY JPW"

Which leaves 65% voting for the other guy.
Wake up little Suzie.

#8 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2020-06-26 10:15 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

It's 35% of our voting population are monsters.

#7 | POSTED BY JPW

Absolutely. They are drunk on hate and not likely to repent for their sins.

Like the reprobate children they are, they are gonna have to be forced into moral compliance.

#9 | Posted by kudzu at 2020-06-26 10:25 AM | Reply


Candidate Trump on healthcare:

Sept 25, 2015
Everybody's got to be covered.

Feb 17, 2016
We're going to have great plans. They're going to be much less expensive and they're going to be much better.

Oct 25, 2016
You're going to have such great healthcare at a tiny fraction of the cost, and it is going to be so easy.

Nov 13, 2016
It will be better healthcare, much better for less money. Not a bad combination.

"We will immediately repeal and replace ObamaCare - and nobody can do that like me. We will save $'s and have much better healthcare!"
-- Trump tweet in February 2016

Pres-elect Trump on healthcare:

"We're going to have insurance for everybody ... There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can't pay for it, you don't get it. That's not going to happen with us."
-- Pres-elect Trump to the Washington Post in January 2017

Pres Trump on healthcare:

"Our healthcare plan will lower premiums & deductibles " and be great healthcare!"
-- Trump tweet in May 2017


#10 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-06-26 10:31 AM | Reply

no....TRUMP MUST GO!
that's the ticket!

#11 | Posted by earthmuse at 2020-06-26 10:51 AM | Reply

Where is the replacement that would "cover ALL Americans", as Trump promised four years ago?

#12 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2020-06-26 11:21 AM | Reply

Almost like Dotard wants to pull down the monument to Obama..

#13 | Posted by HeeHaw at 2020-06-26 11:31 AM | Reply

"Now, I have to tell you, it's an unbelievably complex subject," he added. "Nobody knew health care could be so complicated."
--Trump after meeting with governors in February 2017

OCU

#14 | Posted by OCUser at 2020-06-26 11:37 AM | Reply

I have always suspected the a good part of the opposition to Obamacare is really just because the black guy did it. When lilly white Mitt Romney passed a similar bill in Massachussetts no one lost their mind. I also think that one of the biggest weaknesses in Obamacare was created by the Supreme Court in cooperation with Red State Governors; i.e. they could opt out of Medicaid expansion, lose billions of dollars for their own states and deprive the working poor of healthcare. That's not even a rational decision unless you view it through the lens of racism, that's the only explanation I can actually understand.

#15 | Posted by danni at 2020-06-26 11:42 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 7

Trump should resign.

#16 | Posted by kudzu at 2020-06-26 11:43 AM | Reply

"Trump should resign."
P
I think he will resign if he loses the election before inauguration Day so that President Mike Pence can pardon him for all his federal crimes.

#17 | Posted by danni at 2020-06-26 11:56 AM | Reply

@#12 ... Where is the replacement that would "cover ALL Americans", as Trump promised four years ago? ...

That causes me to wonder as well.

Pres Trump had two years with a compliant Congress (Republican majority in both Houses of Congress), yet he was unable repair healthcare.

#18 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-06-26 11:57 AM | Reply

@#15 ... I have always suspected the a good part of the opposition to Obamacare is really just because the black guy did it. When lilly white Mitt Romney passed a similar bill in Massachussetts no one lost their mind. ...

A healthcare plan remarkably similar to Obamacare, complete with individual mandate, was put forth by Republicans in Congress in the 1990's.

The individual mandate was initially was put forth by Conservatives.

How the Heritage Foundation, a Conservative Think Tank, Promoted the Individual Mandate
www.forbes.com

...James Taranto, who writes the Wall Street Journal's excellent "Best of the Web" column, put forth a lengthy and informative discussion yesterday on the conservative origins of the individual mandate, whose inclusion in Obamacare is today its most controversial feature on the Right.

This came up at Tuesday's Western Republican Leadership Conference Debate, where Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich tussled on the question:

ROMNEY: Actually, Newt, we got the idea of an individual mandate from you.

GINGRICH: That's not true. You got it from the Heritage Foundation.

ROMNEY: Yes, we got it from you, and you got it from the Heritage Foundation and from you.

GINGRICH: Wait a second. What you just said is not true. You did not get that from me. You got it from the Heritage Foundation.

ROMNEY: And you never supported them?

GINGRICH: I agree with them, but I'm just saying, what you said to this audience just now plain wasn't true.

(CROSSTALK)

ROMNEY: OK. Let me ask, have you supported in the past an individual mandate?

GINGRICH: I absolutely did with the Heritage Foundation against Hillarycare.

ROMNEY: You did support an individual mandate?

ROMNEY: Oh, OK. That's what I'm saying. We got the idea from you and the Heritage Foundation.

GINGRICH: OK. A little broader.

ROMNEY: OK.


(Romney was prepared to go on, but Michele Bachmann, in her usual role as the person who makes the debates less useful, interjected and changed the subject. Here's a YouTube video of the entire debate. The Gingrich-Romney exchange begins at the 27:38 mark.)

#19 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-06-26 12:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

We need Medicare for all and we need it NOW.

#20 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-06-26 12:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Only in America does one political party fight tooth and nail against its citizens having health care

And even worse it's citizens allow this to be a tenable position

#21 | Posted by Truthhurts at 2020-06-26 12:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 7

President Moron did what?

Sure. Let's put our health care system into turmoil during a global pandemic.

We should be strengthening our health care at this time not weakening it.

Criminal Negligence. Once Again.

#22 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-06-26 12:33 PM | Reply

Only in America does one political party fight tooth and nail against its citizens having health care

And even worse it's citizens allow this to be a tenable position

#21 | Posted by Truthhurts at 2020-06-26 12:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

Absolutely nailed it. Bizarre and indefensible.

#23 | Posted by cbob at 2020-06-26 12:38 PM | Reply

"Boris Johnson has praised the NHS as the UK's "greatest national asset" in a video message following his release from hospital."

And he is the leader of the Conservative Party since 2019. But, apparently British politics aren't quite as corrupt as ours are over here. We let corporations and lobbyists control our politicians and our politicians, especially Republicans, are all too happy with the system and we know why.

#24 | Posted by danni at 2020-06-26 12:38 PM | Reply

Remember John Boehner?

Wonder what he's been up to since he resigned from the House?

"October 29, 2015 - Boehner gives his farewell remarks on the floor of the US House of Representatives, as he formally retires from his position as House speaker.
September 15, 2016 - It is announced that Boehner has joined the tobacco company Reynolds American as a director.
September 20, 2016 - Announces he is joining the lobbying firm Squire Patton Boggs as an adviser.
April 11, 2018 - Announces he is joining the board of cannabis company Acreage Holdings."

www.cnn.com

#25 | Posted by danni at 2020-06-26 12:41 PM | Reply

"Remember John Boehner?"

I heard he invested heavily in the cannabis industry.

#26 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-06-26 12:49 PM | Reply

Medicare for all is a good idea but please do not think that the British NHS is this awesome national health program. I have British friends who say that the NHS is not perfect. Their issues are it is hard to get appointments for specialists (sometimes having to wait months and months for an appointment). If you are over 70 they will just let you die. That is just the beginning of their issues which include being a huge bureaucracy that politicians screw around with.

I am not say that the system in the USA is good in any way. But please do not glorify the British NHS.

#27 | Posted by BorisNotRussia at 2020-06-26 01:11 PM | Reply

Hey, it's not like Trump can actually go around shooting people himself. Gotta be creative about it.

"I am going to take care of everybody. I don't care if it costs me votes or not. Everybody's going to be taken care of much better than they're taken care of now ... the government's gonna pay for it."

- Donald Trump, NEARLY FIVE YEARS AGO

Republicans have been whining about Obamacare for over ten years now, yet their "health care plan" doesn't even have a name. How sad is that? Their "plan" is no different than somebody staring at a blank piece of paper for ten years.

#28 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2020-06-26 01:15 PM | Reply

Their "plan" is no different than somebody staring at a blank piece of paper for ten years.

#28 | POSTED BY DEREK_WILDSTAR

Their "plan" is to destroy Obamacare (Which Republicans invented) because it's called ObamaCare.

And then go have ice cream.

#29 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-06-26 01:20 PM | Reply

@#29 ... Their "plan" is to destroy Obamacare (Which Republicans invented) ...

From what I've read over the years, one of the reasons why Conservative think tanks wanted to enact the individual mandate was because of people without health insurance going to emergency rooms and getting free medical care.

The Conservative think tanks of the time did not like the hospitals charging higher prices for paying customers because they gave away free medical care to those who went to emergency rooms and could not afford to pay.

#30 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-06-26 01:29 PM | Reply

Guess he's trying to get back all those senior votes he's been losing.... oh, wait....

Maybe he's just a moron.

Not to in any way denigrate morons.

#31 | Posted by Corky at 2020-06-26 01:34 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Medicare for all is a good idea but please do not think that the British NHS is this awesome national health program."

I have heard criticisms of it but I don't see any movement to abolish it. My point is more like we need healthcare that won't cost so much and won't cause you to go bankrupt if you get sick. The for profit model for healthcare just makes money for the bankers at the top and we don't need them in the healthcare industry.

#32 | Posted by danni at 2020-06-26 02:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Medicare for all is a good idea but please do not think that the British NHS is this awesome national health program.

I bet you it's better than nothing.

Which is what most Americans have.

#33 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-06-26 02:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

35% of our voting population are monsters.

#7 | POSTED BY JPW

mini-monsters

#34 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-06-26 02:26 PM | Reply

-it's better than nothing.

Which is what most Americans have.

"Most" Americans don't have "nothing."

#35 | Posted by eberly at 2020-06-26 02:26 PM | Reply

Obamacare Must 'Fall,' Trump Tells Supreme Court

In the middle of a pandemic where millions may require medical care?

How does this make any kind of sense?

#36 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-06-27 03:05 AM | Reply

Congress eliminated the individual tax penalty for failing to purchase medical insurance.

Posted by danni at 09:37 AM | 36 COMMENTS | permalink | Comment on This Entry |

This may be semantics, but they didn't "eliminate" the tax penalty, they set it to zero. The effect may be the same, but they didn't have the votes to actually remove the penalty from the law. Since a lot of the law seems to turn on semantics, I think this may matter. I could see the Supreme Court, not desiring to yank health care from millions of Americans, simply stating that isn't the same, and that if they wanted to actually remove the tax penalty (or the law), Congress would have to change the actual law.

There will be a weird debate about how high does the penalty have to be before it counts as a tax. Is 1 cent enough? $10? Where do you draw the line that it doesn't count anymore? It wouldn't surprise me to see the Supreme Court declining to be used as a back-door way to repeal a law that Congress didn't have the votes to repeal on its own. I could see an argument that it's unconstitutional to set the tax to zero without the law itself being deemed unconstitutional. Wouldn't that be funny?

Question to the lawyers here: If the modification to a law is unconstitutional, does that really eliminate the law or just the modification?

#37 | Posted by StatsPlease at 2020-06-27 09:54 AM | Reply

How does this make any kind of sense?

#36 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY

Like anything Trumpy does makes sense?

How did deporting 11.5 million undocumented immigrants make sense?

did building a wall and making Mexico pay for it make sense?

did blocking ALL Muslims from entering America make sense?

did "15 soon to be zero" make sense?

Nothing Trumpy does makes sense to us living here in reality land.

#38 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-06-27 12:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Only a monstrous country would try to deprive its citizens of healthcare, at any time. The pandemic is just demonstrating to the world the weakness of endless infinite selfishness, where individual "freedom-loving" pinheads think they are more important than the society they are a part of.

#39 | Posted by Jaspar at 2020-06-27 06:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Let's eliminate Obamacare!
Signed,
GOP

P.S. All Lives Matter

#40 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-27 06:39 PM | Reply

The reason? Trump's a racist
with a huuuuuuuuge inferiority
complex against the black man that
preceeded him. And he generally is
apathetic to the welfare of others.

#41 | Posted by earthmuse at 2020-06-28 12:07 AM | Reply

AU @ 36

"In the middle of a pandemic where millions may require medical care?
How does this make any kind of sense?"

It does to Donald Trump. As I've been saying, he's on a mission to burn the house down on his way out the door.

#42 | Posted by Twinpac at 2020-06-28 03:26 AM | Reply

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