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Friday, June 26, 2020

In late April, as new coronavirus cases in Florida were steadily decreasing, Gov. Ron DeSantis began crowing how his state had tamed the pandemic. He credited his decision to impose a state-specific quarantine on New York, then the epicenter of the nation's outbreak. The move earned him praise in the White House and the ire of Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo of New York. Months later, Cuomo has clearly not forgotten. "You played politics with this virus and you lost," Cuomo said on Thursday when asked in an interview about DeSantis's earlier boasts.

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"You played politics with this virus and you lost," Cuomo said on Thursday when asked in an interview about DeSantis's earlier boasts."

Absolutely true. DeSantis is more interested in killing Trump's ass than the health of Florida residents. Remember when he refused to close the beaches during Spring Break? Pure political calculation when realistic scientific evidence was there that he ignored.

I will give him some credit though on another, totally unrelated issue. He and the Legislature have significantly raised teacher salaries and for that I do applaud him.

#1 | Posted by danni at 2020-06-26 09:08 AM | Reply

killing = kissing?

#2 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2020-06-26 09:14 AM | Reply

... "You played politics with this virus and you lost," Cuomo said ...

I'd phrase that along the lines of...

Gov DeSantis played politics with this virus, and the people of Florida lost. And are losing.

#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-06-26 09:19 AM | Reply

Ironic considering almost as many New Yorkers as Canadians live there.

#4 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2020-06-26 09:24 AM | Reply

Every New Yorker knows the meaning of the word schadenfreude, and they are all feelin' it right about now...

#5 | Posted by catdog at 2020-06-26 09:35 AM | Reply

@#5 ... they are all feelin' it right about now... ...

I doubt if all the people of New York are happy about what Florida is currently going through.

#6 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-06-26 09:45 AM | Reply

Not every Floridian smirked about the horrible death toll in NY and we aren't smirking about the horrible death toll here in Florida.

#7 | Posted by danni at 2020-06-26 10:24 AM | Reply

I will give him some credit though on another, totally unrelated issue. He and the Legislature have significantly raised teacher salaries and for that I do applaud him.

#1 | POSTED BY DANNI

They didn't have a choice.

They couldn't get teachers in Florida to fill positions. They were accepting teachers fired from other states for issues like drinking on the job because they were that desperate.

#8 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-06-26 01:01 PM | Reply

Birx is trying to baffle with bulls**t in the COVID-19 briefing, but one thing stood out regarding Florida (among other things) - the rate of testing in Florida is in the toilet. It has DROPPED. In contrast to the drop the rate of infection has taken off. Both were graphed on the same chart, so it really stood out, even though the scale made the infection rate look compressed.

So when DeSantis says "oh, the number is high because we're testing so much!" it is a complete lie.

#9 | Posted by YAV at 2020-06-26 01:18 PM | Reply

@#9 ... So when DeSantis says "oh, the number is high because we're testing so much!" it is a complete lie. ...

Florida reports massive single-day increase of 9,000 coronavirus cases
www.axios.com

...Florida on Friday reported nearly 9,000 new coronavirus cases in 24 hours, bumping the total to 122,960 cases. ...


#10 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-06-26 02:35 PM | Reply

Florida is what 1/4 retirees who spend most of the day indoors with the AC on?

Expect to lose 1/8 of the states population.

#11 | Posted by Tor at 2020-06-26 02:50 PM | Reply

Florida is what 1/4 retirees who spend most of the day indoors with the AC on?

Expect to lose 1/8 of the states population.

#11 | POSTED BY TOR

Gov Cuomo's fault.

Obviously.

#12 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-06-26 03:22 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Where's Gracie to tell us how wonderful her life is?

#13 | Posted by moder8 at 2020-06-26 04:05 PM | Reply

On the nooner doing just that.

#14 | Posted by YAV at 2020-06-26 05:45 PM | Reply

The Ron DeSantis who couldn't figure out how to put on a mask is the real DeSantis. He's the Florida Man of governors. Anyone but him could've seen these staggering daily case counts coming after everything the U.S. went through in March through May.

#15 | Posted by rcade at 2020-06-26 08:25 PM | Reply

Corona virus deaths in NY today: 50
Corona virus death in FL today: 39

#16 | Posted by STC_916 at 2020-06-26 09:28 PM | Reply

#16 - you're smirking.
9,000 new cases in Florida Thursday.
~23 day lag before deaths start getting reported.
Let's hope the skew towards younger people being hospitalized means a better end result than the previous mortality rate would indicate.

#17 | Posted by YAV at 2020-06-26 09:30 PM | Reply

"#16 - you're smirking.
#17 | POSTED BY YAV"

Just giving the raw data. I suspect we will see a 10-20% decrease in deaths next week and the same for the next 3-4 weeks. You are expecting a spike that never comes. So, I suspect you will switch your rhetoric to a 'fall resurgence' soon.

#18 | Posted by STC_916 at 2020-06-26 09:38 PM | Reply

New York Governor Andrew Cuomo shared some good news in the state's coronavirus fight on Thursday morning. "Today NY reached a new milestone," Cuomo tweeted. "Total hospitalizations fell to 996 " dropping below 1K for the first time since March 18th." JUNE 25, 2020
www.cbsnews.com

As new COVID-19 cases in the state hit record highs daily, hospitalizations climb and intensive care beds fill, leaders are becoming increasingly anxious about whether the infection will overtax the local hospital system. But Florida's Agency for Health Care Administration isn't showing Floridians all they know about how the virus is playing out in its hospitals. JUN 25, 2020
https://www.sun-sentinel.com/coronavirus/fl-ne-coronavirus-hidden-health-data-20200625- fxaqlfnlrbgm3ouzrcm55yhaxe-story.html

#19 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-06-26 09:41 PM | Reply

"New York Governor Andrew Cuomo shared some good news in the state's coronavirus fight on Thursday morning. "Today NY reached a new milestone," Cuomo tweeted. "Total hospitalizations fell to 996 " dropping below 1K for the first time since March 18th." JUNE 25, 2020
www.cbsnews.com"

That is only because he executed all the old people by using nursing homes as extermination camps. Cuomo's response to the pandemic have been a failure at every turn. This is the same guy that couldn't even get his own brother to self quarantine.

#20 | Posted by STC_916 at 2020-06-26 09:44 PM | Reply

"Let's hope the skew towards younger people being hospitalized means a better end result than the previous mortality rate would indicate."

Yes, we can hope:

The FIU data shows clear and concerning hospitalization trends are emerging in South Florida:

South Florida hospitalizations for COVID-19 are now eclipsing the peaks reached in mid-April. Miami-Dade on Wednesday had 981 people hospitalized with the virus, surpassing an April 17 peak of 787. Broward County had 391 COVID patients in hospitals, nearing its peak of 413 on April 7. Palm Beach County, with 394 people hospitalized with the virus, has far exceeded a peak of 245 cases on April 20.

Wael Barsoum, former CEO of Cleveland Clinic Florida, said hospitalizations in his Weston location are up this week. "We still need another week or two or three to get a better sense of what the demographics and hospitalization trends are going to show us," he said.

Barsoum said he is optimistic that the increase in hospitalizations will not result in a proportionate increase in deaths from the virus.

Indeed, deaths in Florida are not rising in lockstep with positive cases. But that may be just a matter of time. Anthony S. Fauci, the nation's top infectious-disease specialist, told Congress at a hearing Tuesday that in the coming weeks the death toll is likely to rise commensurately with rising infection rates.


www.sun-sentinel.com

#21 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-06-26 09:46 PM | Reply

Vietnam - coronavirus deaths - 0
Bunker ---- body count - 127,640
ncov2019.live

#22 | Posted by Reinheitsgebot at 2020-06-26 09:49 PM | Reply

"That is only because he executed all the old people by using nursing homes as extermination camps."

FYI: It may surprise you to learn that NY doesn't have the highest Resident Average Deaths per 1,000 Residents, according to CMS:

data.cms.gov

#23 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-06-26 09:58 PM | Reply

"That is only because he executed all the old people by using nursing homes as extermination camps."

Sounds like... Death Panels.
Trump didn't stop the Death Panels?
Why would Trump allow nursing homes to be used as extermination camps?

#24 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-26 10:07 PM | Reply

"Why would Trump allow nursing homes to be used as extermination camps?
#24 | POSTED BY SNOOFY"

It was a state and local issue. The real question, why aren't you calling out Cuomo for this?

#25 | Posted by STC_916 at 2020-06-26 10:10 PM | Reply

No, the real question is, why didn't Trump stop an extermination camp?

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-26 10:13 PM | Reply

"Vietnam - coronavirus deaths - 0
Bunker bitch body count - 127,640
ncov2019.live

#22 | POSTED BY REINHEITSGEBOT "

If Cuomo was People's Committee chairman of Ho Chi Minh City, VN would have 50,000 dead. Thankfully for them, they don't have such useless local leaders. In Ho Chi Minh, self-quarantine was enforced by a policeman at your door. For Cuomo, he couldn't even get his own idiot brother to listen to him.

#27 | Posted by STC_916 at 2020-06-26 10:13 PM | Reply

"No, the real question is, why didn't Trump stop an extermination camp?
#26 | POSTED BY SNOOFY "

He did, which is why NYC was able to make things a little better.

#28 | Posted by STC_916 at 2020-06-26 10:14 PM | Reply

Unlike Bunker Bitch, the leader of Vietnam didn't ignore every Covid warning and spend February golfing and holding klan rallies.

#29 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2020-06-26 10:16 PM | Reply

Cuomo's big mistake was following the Trump administrations guidelines:

Cuomo says New York followed federal guidelines when sending coronavirus patients to nursing homes

"I just want to reiterate once again that the policy that the Department of Health put out was in line directly with the March 13 directive put out by (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) and (Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services) that read, and I quote, 'Nursing homes should admit any individuals from hospitals where Covid is present,'" said Secretary to the Governor Melissa DeRosa on Saturday during a briefing. "Not could, should ... that is President (Donald) Trump's CMS and CDC.

"There are over a dozen states that did the exact same thing, many of whom were concerned about hospital capacity. ... Obviously any death is an unfortunate death," DeRosa said, listing the totals from other states amongst New York's. "It's been a national and international tragedy that everybody has had to grapple with and it is something that we're trying to learn from every day and move forward."

Cuomo, a Democrat, said later in the briefing that he was trying to depoliticize the issue by saying, "New York followed the President's agency's guidance, so that de-politicizes it. What New York did was follow what the Republican administration said to do.

"So don't criticize this state for following the President's policy."

The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services issued a memorandum on March 13 stating, in part, "Nursing homes should admit any individuals that they would normally admit to their facility, including individuals from hospitals where a case of COVID-19 was/is present."


www.cnn.com

#30 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-06-26 10:17 PM | Reply

"He did"

If Trump stopped the extermination camps, why did you say there were extermination camps?

#31 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-26 10:20 PM | Reply

Jane Fonda spent more time in Vietnam than Donald Trump.
LOL

#32 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-26 10:21 PM | Reply

Bunker bitch has more than doubled the body count from the Vietnam War in just a few months.

#33 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2020-06-26 10:24 PM | Reply

"Cuomo's big mistake was following the Trump administrations guidelines:
Cuomo says New York followed federal guidelines when sending coronavirus patients to nursing homes
"I just want to reiterate once again that the policy that the Department of Health put out was in line directly with the March 13 directive put out by (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) and (Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services)
#30 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY "

Already debunked as the Democrats run from the failure that is Cuomo. Below is the actual response from the Federal government on this. Thank god Trump put an end to the Cuomo killing fields.

Trump's action in this case are akin to the Vietnamese invading Cambodia to remove Pol Pot and ending the genocide.

www.timesunion.com

WASHINGTON " The federal government's top official overseeing nursing homes said Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo's executive order in late March that directed the admittance of coronavirus patients from hospitals to nursing facilities did not follow her agency's guidance.

Cuomo has insisted that his original order regarding nursing homes was aligned with the Trump administration's policy, but Seema Verma, head of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, said Wednesday that's not the case.

"Under no circumstances should a hospital discharge a patient to a nursing home that is not prepared to take care of those patients' needs," Verma said on Fox News Radio. "The federal guidelines are absolutely clear about this."

#34 | Posted by STC_916 at 2020-06-26 11:09 PM | Reply

Cuomo always said exactly that, STC, so again you're lying.
No patient was ever released to a nursing home that did not certify they were able to take care of COVID-19 patients.
He said it repeatedly in press conferences after press conference.

What he stated was NY's policy from the start aligned completely with the Trump administration guidelines.

If you want to score points on that one, you'll need to find where the NY policy was otherwise. BTW, deaths in nursing homes happened all over because of the age, the health of the people, and the care givers being unaware of being infected. In WA, the same care givers/nurses/etc. worked several facilities and that's why it spread so rapidly there.

Who is Seema Verma? President Trump nominated Seema Verma to be the Administrator for the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) on November 29, 2016.

Oh. Yeah.

#35 | Posted by YAV at 2020-06-26 11:20 PM | Reply

Oh, and for those that didn't read the link STC provided, it quoted Seema Verma's on what she said was going on in NY.
I'm looking for proof.

Plus if we want to put some blame on actions in the past we have one BIG ass target in the WH. Trouble is that orange POS isn still killing Americans.

#36 | Posted by YAV at 2020-06-26 11:23 PM | Reply

From CMS March 13, 2020 guidelines:

Note: Nursing homes should admit any individuals that they would normally admit to their facility, including individuals from hospitals where a case of COVID-19 was/is present. Also, if possible, dedicate a unit/wing exclusively for any residents coming or returning from the hospital. This can serve as a step-down unit where they remain for 14 days with no symptoms (instead of integrating as usual on short-term rehab floor, or returning to long-stay original room).

www.cms.gov

#37 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-06-26 11:27 PM | Reply

From the Times Union article cited in #34:

Secretary to the Governor Melissa DeRosa said May 23 that New York's nursing home policy followed federal guidelines from March 13 that spell out when a nursing home should accept a patient who has or had COVID-19 from the hospital. The guidelines stated that nursing homes should only accept patients who had been diagnosed with coronavirus from the hospital if they can follow Centers for Disease Control and Prevention guidance to prevent transmission of the virus.

#38 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-06-26 11:29 PM | Reply

"Cuomo always said exactly that, STC, so again you're lying.
#35 | POSTED BY YAV "

Left-leaning Fact Checker PolitiFact rates Cuomo's statement as 'Mostly False'

www.politifact.com

Give it a rest. You sound like desperate Neocons trying to defend the invasion of Iraq.

#39 | Posted by STC_916 at 2020-06-26 11:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Thank god Trump put an end to the Cuomo killing fields."

Link?

#40 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-06-26 11:32 PM | Reply

From the Politifact article:

In other communications in March, the state told nursing homes to isolate infected residents in their rooms or to consider grouping them in a dedicated unit, as well as to stay current with CDC guidelines in preventing the spread of the disease.

From CMS March 13, 2020 guidelines:

Note: Nursing homes should admit any individuals that they would normally admit to their facility, including individuals from hospitals where a case of COVID-19 was/is present. Also, if possible, dedicate a unit/wing exclusively for any residents coming or returning from the hospital. This can serve as a step-down unit where they remain for 14 days with no symptoms (instead of integrating as usual on short-term rehab floor, or returning to long-stay original room).

#41 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-06-26 11:42 PM | Reply

""Thank god Trump put an end to the Cuomo killing fields."
Link?
#40 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY"

Cuomo had his death command quietly deleted but still defended his own actions. He did this after pressure from the federal government, the press, and outraged family members of those unfortunate enough to get the one way ticket to the Cuomo Extermination camps.

#42 | Posted by STC_916 at 2020-06-26 11:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"In other communications in March, the state told nursing homes to isolate infected residents in their rooms or to consider grouping them in a dedicated unit, as well as to stay current with CDC guidelines in preventing the spread of the disease.
#41 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY "

The nursing homes stated this was not possible which is why Cuomo forced them to take the patients regardless. Cuomo knew this was the case but he would rather they die at the nursing home to free up beds in the hospitals, despite the hospitals running way below peak capacity and the emergency facilities from US Navy ships and Army Corp of Engineers being almost completely unused. Then again, maybe Cuomo thought the 90% of employees at nursing homes making $10/hour and completely untrained would be better equipped to stop the spread of the virus than actual hospital workers.

Much like his ridiculous fixation on ventilators, which his hospitals were using to basically kill people (90% death rate once a ventilator was used).

#43 | Posted by STC_916 at 2020-06-26 11:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Who is this STC fellow anyways? Some Schhit Talkimg Cretin.

#44 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-06-27 12:19 AM | Reply

"Some Schhit Talkimg Cretin.
#44 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR "

Try using facts and logic next time, not emotions. It makes you look stupid and triggered.

#45 | Posted by STC_916 at 2020-06-27 12:23 AM | Reply

Don't ventilators kill people every day - every time they're used?
I mean 90% death rate those things should be banned!
Reality:
www.npr.org
www.statnews.com

Thankfully we have better treatments now:
Dexamethasone
Remdesivir

Vents are used as a last resort, letting patients reach hypoxemia in a controlled and monitored way. One of the odd things about COVID-19 is low O2 isn't the same as with someone that has pneumonia or sepsis.

Let me guess - you were all about hydroxychloroquine?

#46 | Posted by YAV at 2020-06-27 12:25 AM | Reply

Schhit Talkimg Cretin

Perfect! haha!

#47 | Posted by YAV at 2020-06-27 12:26 AM | Reply

#48 |

When it gets as stale as your posts, we can put it on life support... something you might want to consider.

#49 | Posted by Corky at 2020-06-27 01:00 AM | Reply

Is that why you use a sock puppet now?

And are you sure the other rwing clown isn't also?

#51 | Posted by Corky at 2020-06-27 01:22 AM | Reply

Corona virus deaths in NY today: 50
Corona virus death in FL today: 39

I don't know what point you think you're making, but deaths are a lagging indicator of the pandemic. They reflect what was happening 3-4 weeks ago, not what is happening today.

#54 | Posted by rcade at 2020-06-27 10:21 AM | Reply

Much like his ridiculous fixation on ventilators, which his hospitals were using to basically kill people (90% death rate once a ventilator was used).

#43 | POSTED BY STC_916

Versus a 100% death rate without?

#55 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-06-27 11:30 AM | Reply

#55 - don't buy the 90% premise. The death rate for COVID-19 patients on vents in ICU is roughly the same as people put on vents for pneumonia and sepsis. You don't put someone on a vent unless things are dire.

#56 | Posted by YAV at 2020-06-27 11:37 AM | Reply

"ventilators, which his hospitals were using to basically kill people..."

Oh my.

No limit on stupidity, I see.

#57 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-06-27 11:53 AM | Reply

Who is this STC fellow anyways? Some Schhit Talkimg Cretin.

#44 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

A sock puppet account of FakeLawyer aka JoeDirt aka RightOCenter

#58 | Posted by a_monson at 2020-06-27 05:33 PM | Reply

Much like his ridiculous fixation on ventilators, which his hospitals were using to basically kill people (90% death rate once a ventilator was used).

#43 | POSTED BY FakeLawyer

Versus a 100% death rate without?

#55 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

Feral Trumpers aka (R)tards are not good at math as you can see.

#59 | Posted by a_monson at 2020-06-27 05:35 PM | Reply

Speaking of lying sock puppets

I was in west LA the other day getting my weekly math done and ran into a close VIP friend that said telepathically that this was all fake and totally deep state

Sincerely
Leftcoastoecentrelawyer_916Jeffygina

#60 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2020-06-27 07:28 PM | Reply

"but deaths are a lagging indicator of the pandemic. They reflect what was happening 3-4 weeks ago, not what is happening today.
#54 | POSTED BY RCADE"

Exactly right, but it seems you are memory deficient as every Liberal was screaming that the re-open movement would lead to a huge spike in death. IT DID NOT HAPPEN. We are 6 weeks into the re-open movement and deaths are down 60%.

You will not see me making hypocritical statements about the BLM rioters causing a spike either, because a spike will not occur. The protesters, aside from the odd white burnouts, are mainly under 40. Their chance of dying from COVID is close to zero. And given how they look and act, it is doubtful any have family connections where they would come into contact with vulnerable old people.

The Texas Lt Gov was on Fox the other day stating ICU bed occupancy was 1200 out of 7200. There is no wave of hospitalizations coming either that is likely to overwhelm the system - that did not even occur in NYC which did everything possible to botch the pandemic response. NYC capacity never came close to even needing the temporary facilities and Navy ship provided by Trump.

The reality is that the US has smartened up to protect the vulnerable, the increase in cases is typically in younger people with more mild symptoms (because testing has increased), and standard of care has improved where hospitals are no longer killing people through overuse/misuse of ventilators.

Care to make a guess as to COVID deaths next week? My guess is a decrease of 10%. What say you?

#61 | Posted by STC_916 at 2020-06-27 08:14 PM | Reply

Care to make a guess as to COVID deaths by the end of the pandemic?

I'm going with 1.1 to 2.2 million. Not really a guess, just the original Imperial College estimate from the middle of March. Heck they might even have a revised estimate by now; hopefully it's lower

#62 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-27 08:20 PM | Reply

"Liberal was screaming that the re-open movement would lead to a huge spike in death."

I doubt you can name anybody who screamed that. And what is a huge spike, as opposed to just a spike?

#63 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-27 08:22 PM | Reply

"The protesters, aside from the odd white burnouts, are mainly under 40. Their chance of dying from COVID is close to zero. And given how they look and act, it is doubtful any have family connections where they would come into contact with vulnerable old people."

Interesting.

What "look" and "act," specifically, tells you they don't have parents or grandparents or people over 50 in their lives?

#64 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-27 08:27 PM | Reply

We are 6 weeks into the re-open movement and deaths are down 60%.

You don't seem to be able to learn. That's sad.

#65 | Posted by YAV at 2020-06-27 09:10 PM | Reply

The Texas Lt Gov was on Fox the other day stating ICU bed occupancy was 1200 out of 7200.

Your mistake, believing Dan Patrick.

If what he said "the other day" was true then it has gone downhill real d**n fast. As of today there are 1,333 ICU beds available in the state. apps.texastribune.org

#66 | Posted by et_al at 2020-06-27 10:18 PM | Reply

Et_Al, I see you've met STC.
Good luck.

Nice link, by the way. Lots of good data there.
I'm sure you've seen the "official" Texas dashboard:
txdshs.maps.arcgis.com
The "Hospitals - Statewide" and "Hospitals - Regional" might be worth a view.

Stay safe, Et_Al.

#67 | Posted by YAV at 2020-06-27 10:30 PM | Reply

We are 6 weeks into the re-open movement and deaths are down 60%.

I don't know if you have any skills with photoshop, but if you'd like a nice graphic that illustrates what's going on take the 'positive tests' curve and copy it to another layer. Remove the background of the 2nd layer leaving only the graph information (or select the graph's line) and superimpose it on the original. Slide it over about 4 weeks, and drop it down on top of the original curve. You can move it down vertically, too, so the scale is more appropriate. If you're clever you can "normalize" the fatality projection curve (the 2nd curve) by scaling it vertically, squishing it so it matches the known fatality numbers.

That'll give you your drops, when they would happen, and if the same demographics are involved, when fatalities will start going back up again. This can be handy later when we compare against the actual data. That will show us what role age plays in all of this.

If I wasn't anonymous I'd publish the work I've done on this already. It's not a complicated concept and it's fairly elegant in result.

#68 | Posted by YAV at 2020-06-27 10:58 PM | Reply

(or you can use tracing paper)

#69 | Posted by YAV at 2020-06-27 11:35 PM | Reply

The idea that some demographics of young people are never in contact with vulnerable old people is foolish.

People live in multigenerational homes. Millions of old people who have caregivers are taken care of by young people, whether in a nursing home or at their own homes. My grandmother suffered from dementia for 10 years. When she was being cared for at home there was a series of young workers attending to her. If a lot of coronavirus is spread among young people, it will bring the virus to old people. There is no magic virus-blocking wall between the young and the old.

#70 | Posted by rcade at 2020-06-28 11:04 AM | Reply

All this focus on younger people being able to weather the illness better does is make things worse. They grow convinced they will recover just fine. They become vectors carrying it to others, those that are at risk. All that happens is the fatality curve slides out a little further because there's another period of time added before other vulnerable people are infected.

If we all wore masks, socially distanced, we could still open the economy up safely to a certain extent, and we could drive the R0 to less than 1 as has been done in lots of other countries, and then we'd be much better off.

#71 | Posted by YAV at 2020-06-28 03:43 PM | Reply

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