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Saturday, June 27, 2020

A majority of American voters support the demonstrations against police brutality and racial injustice that have roiled the country over the past month, embracing ideas about bias within the criminal justice system and the persistence of systemic racism that are central tenets of the Black Lives Matter movement, according to a new national poll of registered voters by The New York Times and Siena College.

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Fifty-nine percent of voters, including 52 percent of white voters, believe the death of George Floyd at the hands of the police in Minneapolis was "part of a broader pattern of excessive police violence toward African Americans," the poll found. The Black Lives Matter movement and the police had similar favorability ratings, with 44 percent of registered voters viewing the movement as "very favorable," almost identical to the 43 percent rating for the police.

The numbers add to the mounting evidence that recent protests have significantly shifted public opinion on race, creating potential political allies for a movement that was, within the past decade, dismissed as fringe and divisive. It also highlights how President Trump is increasingly out of touch with a country he is seeking to lead for a second term: While he has shown little sympathy for the protesters and their fight for racial justice, and has continued to use racist language that many have denounced, voters feel favorably toward the protests and their cause.

I keep referring to this moment in time as "the Imperfect Storm" where America is facing not one, not two, not three, not four, but at least
FIVE crises happening simultaneously, and these five don't include the mounting foreign policy hornets' nests that Trump has stupidly kicked over.

On a daily basis the American people are watching in real time that this President doesn't have the wisdom, he doesn't have the intellect, he doesn't have the compassion, he doesn't have the competence, and he doesn't have a clue on how to deal with the very issues now dominating every American life in ways no one was prepared for when the calendar turned to 2020 outside of trying to personalize everything that is happening as though reality only exists to either serve him or oppose his desires.

The more the zeitgeist of America changes, the more Trump tries to stick his fingers in the ---- as water freely flows downstream despite his futile efforts. The pandemic exposed his ignorance and hubris. The economic collapse exposed his fecklessness in ways his multiple business bankruptcies should have forewarned. George Floyd's murder and the resultant BLM movement and protests brought his overt racism back out into the open more starkly than it was during Charlottesville. And yesterday's shocking release showing that Putin placed bounties on our US soldiers in Afghanistan while Trump did nothing and even tried to backdoor the other G7 nations into bringing Russia back into its fold is simply the icing on this cake of total chaos.

The emperor has no clothes and a marked majority in this country has come to realize that he has no business being in the White House. The only place he's leading us is into the abyss.

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-06-27 10:49 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"52 percent of white voters, believe the death of George Floyd at the hands of the police in Minneapolis was "part of a broader pattern of excessive police violence toward African Americans,"

^
How do only 52% of white voters believe that?

Seriously, that's pathetic.

It can't just be Deplorables in denial, or it would be more like 73%.

Maybe we should do a DR poll.

#2 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-27 02:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

People should be more careful here. Some of BLM's tactics, like blocking traffic when people are just trying to get some place (home, work, store, hospital) or that have been used by gangs of looters and vandals, are repugnant and likely have been, at least in part, responsible in 2016 for marginal electoral win of The Dotard Trump.

Demands of reparations, or special treatment as euphemism for "equality" or "defunding" police (which already caused spikes in crime rate in certain districts and regions) and defacing and/or dismantling the statues of just about anyone white (or Hispanic like Junipero Serra) from 150 - 250 years ago may just pixx a lot of people off. Now, that alone probably wouldn't save Dotard's 2020 election but it may permanently alienate enough people (including "minorities" which now or soon will count whites, male and female) who are currently not on the "other side" simply with their tactics and unreasonable demands, which would only reinforce stereotypes for generations and slow down or impede genuine progress for color-blind society.

The rise of Nazis in the wake of Trump's election (like some "very fine people" in Charlottesville) show it didn't work well for Trump and supremacists. BLM (and some others) should not be a mirror image.

Pendulum swings - as we saw in 2016 - we don't want it to swing too far, in any direction.

"Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket."

#3 | Posted by CutiePie at 2020-06-27 10:01 PM | Reply



People should be more careful here. Some of BLM's tactics, like blocking traffic when people are just trying to get some place (home, work, store, hospital) or that have been used by gangs of looters and vandals, are repugnant and likely have been, at least in part, responsible in 2016 for marginal electoral win of The Dotard Trump.

Demands of reparations, or special treatment as euphemism for "equality" or "defunding" police (which already caused spikes in crime rate in certain districts and regions) and defacing and/or dismantling the statues of just about anyone white (or Hispanic like Junipero Serra) from 150 - 250 years ago may just pixx a lot of people off. Now, that alone probably wouldn't save Dotard's 2020 election but it may permanently alienate enough people (including "minorities" which now or soon will count whites, male and female) who are currently not on the "other side" simply with their tactics and unreasonable demands, which would only reinforce stereotypes for generations and slow down or impede genuine progress for color-blind society.

The rise of Nazis in the wake of Trump's election (like some "very fine people" in Charlottesville) show it didn't work well for Trump and supremacists. BLM (and some others) should not be a mirror image.

Pendulum swings - as we saw in 2016 - we don't want it to swing too far, in any direction.

"Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket."

#4 | Posted by CutiePie at 2020-06-27 10:01 PM | Reply

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Maybe we should do a DR poll.
#2 | Posted by SNOOFY at 2020-06-27 02:50 PM

If you think that DR is representative, and that all DR people will see your post and respond, and if the sample will be large enough, sure... otherwise, it's a waste of time that will only be misleading, like polls that were conducted by Drudge to push Trump in 2016 - which he seems to be regretting now.
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#5 | Posted by CutiePie at 2020-06-27 10:10 PM | Reply

People should be more careful here. Some of BLM's tactics, like blocking traffic when people are just trying to get some place (home, work, store, hospital)

It's called "civil disobedience" and it is the only thing that has ever produced real change other than violent revolution. Perhaps you would prefer that.

#6 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2020-06-28 03:31 PM | Reply

"dismantling the statues of just about anyone white (or Hispanic like Junipero Serra) from 150 - 250 years ago"

Pretty sure the statues are like from the 1950s and on.

And let's be realistic there is nothing historic about a statue. History is what a statue underlines, it doesn't create anyting.

And let's be realistic back in the Freedom Fries era there were plenty of GOP Deplorables who wanted the USA to give the Statue of Liberty back to France.

It's all selective outrage from the riiiight. Not that selective outrage from the riiiight isn't a powerful force. As you point out, it's how Trump won.

#7 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-28 03:43 PM | Reply

This is why I am confident tell the outrage over statues is really outrage that racism isn't being openly celebrated in America:

legacy.npr.org
APRIL 3, 2003 Josh Wander created giveitback.org, a Web site designed to protest France's position on the war with Iraq. Specifically, Wander wants to give back the Statue of Liberty to the French.
...
We'd like to give it back because there's been a lot of protests out there boycotting France, changing names of french fries. We basically didn't feel that was serious enough and that a stronger response needed to be made.
...
In the first week, over 100,000 people have visited our site and we a have petition which has received over 6,000 signatures. We have different people writing in that are pro the idea, anti the idea. Some ideas that we've gotten were that giving back the Statue of Liberty is not enough, we should actually give back just her head and then they'll really know we're serious.

#8 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-28 04:54 PM | Reply

Giving back the SOL is just as idiotic as the morons tearing down statues now.

#9 | Posted by willowby at 2020-06-28 06:16 PM | Reply

No, it really isn't.

Unless you think of the Statue of Liberty as a deliberate affront to human rights.

You are an expert at keeping those blinders in place, Willowby.

#10 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-28 07:01 PM | Reply

Yes, it really is. There's a right way and a wrong way. Unruly mobs tearing down what they want is anarchy and idiotic.

#11 | Posted by willowby at 2020-06-28 07:31 PM | Reply

So you sided with King George on that whole Boston Tea Party thing.

And when his statue was pulled down in Boston.

Weird flex, Willowby.

Why lie?

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-28 07:33 PM | Reply

It's not anarchy, pearl clutcher.
And be glad that's all that's happening after decades and decades of ignoring the problem.
The only thing that's idiotic is that these monuments to hate have been here as long as they have.
Get with it, get them down, or the people will take care of them for you.

#13 | Posted by YAV at 2020-06-28 07:34 PM | Reply

"There's a right way and a wrong way."

The fact that the statues honoring racism and slavery were erected in the first place, as a protest against the Civil Rights movement, was that the right way or the wrong way?

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-28 07:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#13 - for #11.

#12 - Nice rejoinder.

#15 | Posted by YAV at 2020-06-28 07:35 PM | Reply

People like Willowby are obviously pretty smart but they lack the intellectual fortitude to explain themselves or Justify their positions on anything.

They just spit and curse and hate.

It must be an awful life.

#16 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-28 07:37 PM | Reply

" There's a right way and a wrong way. "

spoken like a true white person.

#17 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2020-06-28 07:40 PM | Reply

You're the king of stupid analogies, snoofy. That's one of your best.

#18 | Posted by willowby at 2020-06-28 07:40 PM | Reply

No really Willowby. Answer the question about the Statue of King George.

You know why you can't?
Because you're a coward.
Good bye.

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-28 07:42 PM | Reply

#16

You'd know. You do it 24/7 365.

#20 | Posted by willowby at 2020-06-28 07:44 PM | Reply

#17

Right and wrong are color neutral.

#21 | Posted by willowby at 2020-06-28 07:45 PM | Reply

You're just one of many cowards who can't talk about the issues so instead they talk about Snoofy.

#22 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-28 07:46 PM | Reply

#22

I knew goodbye was a lie coming from you.

#23 | Posted by willowby at 2020-06-28 07:47 PM | Reply

Right and wrong are color neutral.
#21 | POSTED BY WILLOWBY

Slavery wasn't color neutral.

Guess it was neither right nor wrong then!

You're not this dumb, barring a recent stroke or something. Stop acting like it.

#24 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-28 07:48 PM | Reply

You kept talkng to me after I said goodbye. It would be kind of rude to not respond.

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-28 07:49 PM | Reply

You're not that dense, snoofy. Any rational person could see I was saying there's a right way and wrong way to take these things down.

#26 | Posted by willowby at 2020-06-28 07:51 PM | Reply

In other words, Willowby, you're pointedly ignoring that it was wrong to put them up in the first place.

We're just supposed to accept their existence as being right.

Their existence is wrong. Full stop.

#27 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-28 07:53 PM | Reply

You're never going to say whether it was right or wrong to pull down the statue of King George, are you?

Come on. Grow a pair. [...]

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-28 07:57 PM | Reply

#17

Not ignoring it at all. Wasn't even part of the discussion or the point I was making.

#29 | Posted by willowby at 2020-06-28 07:57 PM | Reply

#27 that was

#30 | Posted by willowby at 2020-06-28 07:58 PM | Reply

Giving back the SOL is just as idiotic as the morons tearing down statues now.
#9 | POSTED BY WILLOWBY

^
Your words.

All I'm asking you do is apply them to the statue of King George.

You can't do it.
Because you are weak.

#31 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-28 08:04 PM | Reply

Which pair are we talking about? Nobody is borrowing my perky pair. At least not without buying me dinner first.

#32 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-06-28 08:05 PM | Reply

I'm against anybody randomly tearing down/defacing public/private property, regardless of what I think about said property. Is that clear enough?
You were for Washington's statue being wrapped in a flag, set on fire, then pulled down. I wasn't.

#33 | Posted by willowby at 2020-06-28 08:21 PM | Reply

"I'm against anybody randomly tearing down/defacing public/private property, regardless of what I think about said property. Is that clear enough?"

Randomly.

You think they picked King George at random, then?

Just to be crystal clear.

#34 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-28 08:44 PM | Reply

"You were for Washington's statue being wrapped in a flag, set on fire, then pulled down."

Not really. Actually this is the first I've heard of it. I don't much care either way about the act. What interests me is the motivation.

It is the polar opposite of you. You only see the act, and don't care about the motivation, or the history of why the statue is there in the first place.

Like I said, you keep the blinders firmly in place at all times.

#35 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-28 08:47 PM | Reply

#35

I can analyze the motivation all I want. It's criminal behavior, regardless of motivation.

#36 | Posted by willowby at 2020-06-28 09:28 PM | Reply

It's something as American as apple pie, hotdogs, and Baseball.

#37 | Posted by YAV at 2020-06-28 09:45 PM | Reply

Rosa Parks was criminal behavior, regardless of motivation.

Or was that different, Willowby?

You tell us.

#38 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-28 09:45 PM | Reply

Rosa Parks was the wrong way to end segregation, just like tearing down the statue of King George was the wrong way to end tyranny.

That about the long and short of it, Willowby?

#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-28 09:51 PM | Reply

snoofys going to prison for necrophelia on whats left of willowby, lol.

#40 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2020-06-28 09:54 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

" It's criminal behavior"

jews hiding in an attic?

#41 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2020-06-28 09:55 PM | Reply

#40 - that got a loud chortle from me!

#42 | Posted by YAV at 2020-06-28 11:02 PM | Reply

All of the confederate general statues should be removed. All of the bases named for confederate generals should be changed. They never should have been put up in the first place. Why erect statues to seditious traitors who LOST? Teach about them in history class, but glorifying them in bronze and permanency through base/street names is ridiculous.

It'sa sad state of affairs for our education system that many of these mindless morons can't tell the difference between Grant and Lee. They are going too far now and that will have repercussions. Starting petitions to change the way Jesus is represented is just stupid and alienating.

That said, if those statues had never been put up in the first place, no one would have been looking to tear anything down. But some jerk offs wanted to give an eff you to some "uppity" slave descendants and here we are.

If they can calm down and stop where it needs to stop, it will have the desired effect. If they keep being indiscriminate, it could backfire.

#43 | Posted by ABH at 2020-06-29 08:01 AM | Reply

I love being able to say this:
I agree with ABH.

#44 | Posted by YAV at 2020-06-29 09:11 AM | Reply

"All of the confederate general statues should be removed."

Thanks, ABH.

Seeing as you can figure it out, any thoughts on why others can't?

Because my thoughts are not very forgiving.

#45 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-29 10:19 AM | Reply

I was saying there's a right way and wrong way to take these things down.

#26 | POSTED BY WILLOWBY

There is a wrong way of putting them up too.

But, I agree two wrongs don't make a right. (They make a left?)

That never stopped us Americans before. Why should it stop us now?

#46 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-06-29 05:36 PM | Reply

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