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Monday, June 29, 2020

K-State is the latest to see its football players attempt to wield their newly-powerful voices and effect change.

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I posted this because I'm personally following this story. I know a couple players and my daughter knows several.

Should the University issue a policy that "that allows a student to be dismissed for displaying openly racist, threatening or disrespectful actions toward a student or groups of students"?

Does any other university have a similar policy the players are calling for?

This ------- who tweeted what he did (it's in the article) deserves an asswhipping and he's an outright open racist without question.

The slippery slope here is the risk of a student being dismissed for something they may have a constitutional right to do.

#1 | Posted by eberly at 2020-06-29 08:54 AM | Reply

I'm sure Liberty "University" would welcome Mr McNeil with open arms.

#2 | Posted by qcp at 2020-06-29 09:17 AM | Reply

The slippery slope here is the risk of a student being dismissed for something they may have a constitutional right to do.
#1 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Bob Jones University doesn't allow interracial dating, so we've already slid down that slope.

Similar rules that forbid Constitutionally protected activity exist at BYU and elsewhere.

Kinda figured you knew that...

#3 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-29 11:02 AM | Reply

At the University of Notre Dame any student caught having premarital/extramarital sex on campus is expelled from school under the doctrine of in loco parentis.

Sounds like the players are calling for a morality clause that forbids discriminatory and threatening actions and speech toward other students. Seeing as how no one has a "right" to admittance even to public colleges (and particularly there is no right to an athletic scholarship funded by state and public resources), I don't see anything untoward about the athletes' request.

#4 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-06-29 11:20 AM | Reply

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To issue a policy that addresses this isn't the problem. It's the enforcement that would be the problem.

This tweet wasn't directed toward anybody, especially another K-State student. It was offensive, yes expelling a student for that, IMO, is a slippery slope.

Notre Dame's policy can't be compared to this.

And the absence of another public university having a similar policy means K-State might be the first.

#5 | Posted by eberly at 2020-06-29 11:33 AM | Reply

"It was offensive, yes expelling a student for that, IMO, is a slippery slope."

I see what you're saying.

My question is, what the scary thing at the bottom of the slope? Students getting expelled for racist outbursts, or is there more?

#6 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-29 11:39 AM | Reply

The slippery slope here is the risk of a student being dismissed for something they may have a constitutional right to do.

My Notre Dame analogy was in response to the above, not specifically what the athlete did.

Pretty sure consensual sex past the state's age of consent is a protected activity.

#7 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-06-29 11:40 AM | Reply

Is there a difference between State and Private Universities, though?

#8 | Posted by YAV at 2020-06-29 11:45 AM | Reply

Fair point, Tony.

#9 | Posted by eberly at 2020-06-29 11:45 AM | Reply

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that's one thing to consider but Tony points out that nobody has a "right" to be at a public university which gives the university some room to expel or refuse admittance for behavior like this.

But Notre Dame's policy refers to specific on-campus acts. K-State would be addressing a tweet that anybody could find offensive.

I'm interested in this because I imagine many other major university sports programs are going to follow with similar demands from their schools.

#10 | Posted by eberly at 2020-06-29 11:49 AM | Reply

that's one thing to consider but Tony points out that nobody has a "right" to be at a public university which gives the university some room to expel or refuse admittance for behavior like this.

Funny that this topic is coming up today because my supervisor just reminded me this morning that our company policy is that propagating anything negative (read: racist, sexist, derogatory of others, etc.) even on personal social media can lead to termination due to the possibility of being blown back on my employer.

I would think that even public universities don't want nor need the negative publicity that this incident is causing. Think - boycotts, protests, loss of sponsors, et_al. KSU could lose millions because of this one guy's open advocacy of white supremacy.

At the end of the day it's more about business and being aligned with out of the mainstream views that fuel attempts to squelch incendiary speech and conduct imo.

#11 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-06-29 12:02 PM | Reply

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exactly

#12 | Posted by eberly at 2020-06-29 12:05 PM | Reply

Let me say I applaud the football players and their coach. They are all awesome.

#13 | Posted by YAV at 2020-06-29 12:37 PM | Reply

Just imagine, if JeffJ were still here this thread would be 100+ posts talking about how unfairly racists are treated on college campuses these days.

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-29 04:40 PM | Reply

Screw a bunch of jocks

#15 | Posted by Sniper at 2020-06-29 05:06 PM | Reply

That's over the line Sniper and ChiefTutMoses.

#17 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-06-29 05:39 PM | Reply

A little fact for y'all to consider, 80% of criminal acts at any university is committed by students with athletic scholarships. I will never have anything but contempt for these spoiled myopic jocks. I hope collage football dies.

#18 | Posted by docnjo at 2020-06-29 09:13 PM | Reply

"80% of criminal acts at any university is committed by students with athletic scholarships."

They shouldn't be in regular university.
They should go to sports academies like in the rest of the modern world.

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-29 10:32 PM | Reply

80% of criminal acts at any university is committed by students with athletic scholarships

Yeah...i'm gonna need a source for that --------.

#20 | Posted by JOE at 2020-06-29 10:39 PM | Reply

Great. Let them refuse to play and lose their scholarships. That will free up 100 places for people with actual academic qualifications. This shouls catch on, maybe colleges will get back to actual teaching and learning.

#21 | Posted by e1g1 at 2020-06-30 08:54 AM | Reply

#20 | Posted by JOE criminal-justice.iresearchnet.com 2% of the student population commit 40%+ of reported rapes, over half of assaults. From my experience, victims are usually bribed or intimidated if they attempt to report a crime where an athlete is the accused. You know that. It is the reason that athletes are housed separately and coeds are warned to avoid the area at night.

#22 | Posted by docnjo at 2020-06-30 10:33 AM | Reply

2% of the student population commit 40%+ of reported rapes, over half of assaults

Another lie. Your own link says "athletes account for less than 2% of the total college student population"but that 2% represents 23% of all sexual assault assailants and perpetrates 14% of the attempted sexual assaults on campuses." Why are you lying?

Regardless, your claim was that "80% of criminal acts at any university is committed by students with athletic scholarships." Are you retracting that claim?

#23 | Posted by JOE at 2020-06-30 10:57 AM | Reply

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He originally claimed "criminal acts" but the date he provided was narrowed to sexual assaults.

I agree with you that he hasn't backed that up. The data is alarming but hardly surprising.

#24 | Posted by eberly at 2020-06-30 11:05 AM | Reply

What leverage do the players have here?

If K-State does everything they can up the point where they refuse to draft a formal policy the way the players are demanding, what do the players do?

Forfeit their scholarships and transfer? To where? another school that also doesn't have this formal policy in place?

It could turn out that K-State drafts a policy that meets the players' demands. If that happens, then all other universities will be compelled to do the same because all athletes will demand it from their respective school.

#25 | Posted by eberly at 2020-06-30 11:12 AM | Reply

^exactly. No school should ever give in to blackmail, especially by jocks. Let them transfer, if they can.

#26 | Posted by e1g1 at 2020-06-30 11:38 AM | Reply

My god, I am agreeing with Eberly. The vapors...!

#27 | Posted by e1g1 at 2020-06-30 11:39 AM | Reply

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Breathe easy......it's okay.

#28 | Posted by eberly at 2020-06-30 11:53 AM | Reply

My god, I am agreeing with Eberly. The vapors...!

#27 | POSTED BY E1G

Lol. I hate it when that happens.

#29 | Posted by kudzu at 2020-06-30 12:30 PM | Reply

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the vapors or agreeing with me?

#30 | Posted by eberly at 2020-06-30 01:10 PM | Reply

Why are you lying?

I'll let y'all in on a little secret. It always sounds good, but almost everything DOCNJO types is --------.

#31 | Posted by REDIAL at 2020-06-30 02:04 PM | Reply

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