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Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Monday, June 29, 2020

A white couple pointed guns at protesters in St. Louis as a group marched toward the mayor's home to demand her resignation after she read the names and addresses of several residents who supported defunding the police department during an online briefing.

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Those idiots should be disbarred.

#1 | Posted by qcp at 2020-06-29 11:36 AM | Reply

They are NOT pointing at anyone.

#2 | Posted by Sniper at 2020-06-29 11:36 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

So when white folk brandish weapons and aim their guns at you that's ok.

That's not against the law in St Louis.

Ok. Good to know.

#3 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-06-29 11:36 AM | Reply

They are NOT pointing at anyone.

#2 | POSTED BY SNIPER

Because they were black maybe you couldn't see them?

#4 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-06-29 11:38 AM | Reply

They are NOT pointing at anyone.

#2 | Posted by Sniper at 2020

I saw aggressive behavior by a heavily armed man in a cute pink shirt.

#5 | Posted by Zed at 2020-06-29 11:44 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

@#2 ... They are NOT pointing at anyone. ...

At one point in the video the assault rifle was pointed towards (not aimed at, but pointed towards) the protesters, and it looked as if the man holding the gun had his finger on or very near the trigger.

#6 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-06-29 11:59 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump is no directly encouraging racist violence.

Twitter needs to ban him fast before he gets people killed and Twitter is found accountable.

#7 | Posted by Tor at 2020-06-29 12:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I don't tweet nor really do much on social media so I'm going to ask a dumb question......if someone shares a video on twitter without a comment to qualify why they are sharing it, it's implied they like or agree with what they shared....correct?

IOW, if Trump shares a video like that and says nothing, he's agreeing with what that couple was doing?

#8 | Posted by eberly at 2020-06-29 12:17 PM | Reply

@#8 ... .if someone shares a video on twitter without a comment to qualify why they are sharing it, it's implied they like or agree with what they shared....correct? ... IOW, if Trump shares a video like that and says nothing, he's agreeing with what that couple was doing?

That's my interpretation.

When I share a post on social media, I do so because I agree with the post and/or I like what the post says, and want to give the post a larger audience.

If I share a post I disagree with, I will put a comment alongside the post saying as much. But I rarely share posts i disagree with, as I prefer to accentuate the positive.

Ella Fitzgerald - Accentuate The Positive
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#9 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-06-29 12:23 PM | Reply

IOW, if Trump shares a video like that and says nothing, he's agreeing with what that couple was doing?

#8 | POSTED BY EBERLY

If he retweeted it because he disagrees, wouldn't it benefit him more to mention his intent?

#10 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2020-06-29 12:24 PM | Reply

9/10

thanks for the clarification to you both.

#11 | Posted by eberly at 2020-06-29 12:29 PM | Reply

Trump has become desperate which makes him even MORE DANGEROUS. He is now openly instigating his base to do violence through his Twitter feed. He needs to RESIGN or many more innocent Americans will DIE.

#12 | Posted by getoffmedz at 2020-06-29 12:32 PM | Reply

I think leaving Trump's tweets like this up is OK, because while it might appear that he's inciting violence, and he may actually believe that he is, to those who are prone to violence, it's not going to do anything for them, they're already violent and dangerous. However, by leaving these tweets up, with an appropriate warning of course, but where people can still see them, this will demonstrate to the world what is running through Trump's sicken mind, perhaps one that's been addled by too much Adderall. It's exposing his latent racism and his hatred for America and the American people. These tweets simply confirm what many have known for a long time, and it's high time that everyone be exposed to what Trump really thinks about the rest of us. If nothing else, it's providing us with a front row seat to the public display of a political suicide.

OCU

#13 | Posted by OCUser at 2020-06-29 12:34 PM | Reply

They are NOT pointing at anyone.

#2 | POSTED BY SNIPER

Yeah, they're just pointing at the air in front of the protesters. Get outta here, air!

#14 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2020-06-29 01:21 PM | Reply | Funny: 4

If this was Florida, they'd be dead.

Frankly, you threaten me with a gun, I'm probably going to shoot you immediately because I don't know if you are going to fire first.

#15 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-06-29 01:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

They are NOT pointing at anyone.
#2 | POSTED BY SNIPER

As usual, you have no idea what you are talking about. I have friends who were there. They were pointing directly at people. The woman, Patricia McClusky, lost her damn mind over a bunch people walking on the sidewalk.

twitter.com
twitter.com

#16 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2020-06-29 01:33 PM | Reply

They are NOT pointing at anyone.

#2 | POSTED BY SNIPER

Yeah, they're just pointing at the air in front of the protesters. Get outta here, air!

#14 | POSTED BY DEREK_WILDSTAR

They were mostly black. So he couldn't see them.

#17 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-06-29 01:37 PM | Reply

Frankly, you threaten me with a gun, I'm probably going to shoot you immediately because I don't know if you are going to fire first.

#15 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

If it's a good policy for the police it's good policy for me!

#18 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-06-29 01:39 PM | Reply

Trump for King of the Boogaloos...
in JAIL...

Then he will get the 'love & attention'
the man deserves...

#19 | Posted by earthmuse at 2020-06-29 01:42 PM | Reply

The woman had her finger on the trigger indicating she is not properly trained in the use of firearms
I wonder why they weren't shot by any cops nearby cause their usual justification for killing is a gun

#20 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-06-29 01:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Developments on social media of late...

Reddit bans The_Donald forum as part of major hate speech purge
www.axios.com

Twitch temporarily bans Trump's channel for hateful content
www.axios.com


#21 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-06-29 02:03 PM | Reply

#21 - you should post that on the Nooner for RCade's benefit!

#22 | Posted by YAV at 2020-06-29 02:05 PM | Reply

I don't know, she sure looks like she's pointing that gun at the guy who might be news cameraman:

pbs.twimg.com

And it's always good to mix a little alcohol with your armed confrontations:

pbs.twimg.com

OCU

#23 | Posted by OCUser at 2020-06-29 02:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

And if you look close at the photos below, she definitely had her finger on the trigger:

pbs.twimg.com

As does he:

pbs.twimg.com

OCU

#24 | Posted by OCUser at 2020-06-29 02:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#24

Look at that idiot with her finger on the trigger.

JFC.

#25 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-06-29 02:27 PM | Reply

This is a gated community. The protesters are on camera breaking through the gate. They were trespassing. They broke the law. Go into neighborhoods and start threatening people in their homes and this is going to happen. This couple had no way of knowing whether or not these protesters were going to get violent, start throwing molotov cocktails, breaking windows or worse, assault people in their homes. People have a right to protect themselves and their homes.

#26 | Posted by zetaleph at 2020-06-29 02:39 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Get off my lawn!"
#26 | POSTED BY ZETALEPH

It's only trespassing if they are told to leave and refuse.

Considering they were just walking through, no trespassing can be charged. The idea someone felt it would be prudent to wield an AR-15 in the fear of someone trespassing in a gated community speaks more about that individual than it does the protesters.

Let me ask you, ZETA, have you seen any evidence of homes being attacked, looted, or even broken into during these protests? Just wondering where the couple, and you, find the justification to fear these people as if they were a violent mob.

Me thinks you've been watching too much fictional TV.

#27 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-06-29 02:47 PM | Reply

People have a right to protect themselves and their homes.

#26 | Posted by zetaleph

Sure.

What's your stance on the pink-shirted fellow foregoing the protection of perfectly good stone walls (armed if he likes) to threaten a crowd out in the open and entirely alone?

#28 | Posted by Zed at 2020-06-29 02:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

People have a right to protect themselves and their homes.

#26 | Posted by zetaleph

The most threatening thing in the video is the presence of the gun. Guns change the dynamics of any social encounter radically. I wish that gun-lovers would at least admit this.

#29 | Posted by Zed at 2020-06-29 02:51 PM | Reply

@#26 ... This couple had no way of knowing whether or not these protesters were going to get violent, start throwing molotov cocktails, breaking windows or worse, assault people in their homes. People have a right to protect themselves and their homes. ...

As you imply, the protesters were doing none of the things you mention.

So all the couple really seemed to have to protect against was their own perverse imagination.



#30 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-06-29 02:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Good thing they are not in California.

Under California Penal Code Section 417 PC, it is a crime to publicly brandish a weapon or firearm. While California permits citizens to own firearms and other dangerous weapons, there are specific laws pertaining to how one can use, carry and display these weapons, and violation of these laws can result in criminal penalties.

To prove that the defendant brandished a weapon or firearm, a prosecutor must be able to establish the following elements:

The defendant drew or exhibited a firearm or deadly weapon in the presence of someone else

The defendant did so in a rude, angry or threatening manner

OR the defendant used the firearm or weapon in a fight or quarrel

AND the defendant did not act in self defense

#31 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-06-29 03:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#28 | POSTED BY ZED

To be fair, this took place in a gated community.

#32 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-06-29 03:08 PM | Reply

Trump is sending a message to his base and providing a new shiny distraction from the accusations that he has done nothing to stop Russian bounties on US soldiers in Afghanistan. Mission Accomplished!

#33 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-06-29 03:32 PM | Reply

Yes, that couple looked frantic and hostile.

"The most threatening thing in the video is the presence of the gun."

Of course, because the gun and the person holding it is mostly the only thing you see in the video.

Don't convince yourself you know everything about that event based on that video.

There is always a political agenda at work with these types of stories.

#34 | Posted by eberly at 2020-06-29 03:33 PM | Reply

"To be fair, this took place in a gated community."

That the protesters broke into?

#35 | Posted by eberly at 2020-06-29 03:38 PM | Reply

"... this took place in a gated community."

That the protesters broke into?

#35 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Shows you how effective walls are.

#36 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-06-29 03:41 PM | Reply

36

Oh, they're effective but perhaps you're confused as to why they exist and it's not to keep a mob out. It's a gate/fence. It can be overrun or climbed easily.

Gated communities exist for the purpose of privacy from folks driving around to snoop at the houses, go door to door to sell stuff, bother notable people in their community.

It lets folks know to leave them alone but if a mob wants in....they can get in but with the understanding that the police aren't far behind them.

#37 | Posted by eberly at 2020-06-29 03:49 PM | Reply

#16 love the mustard spots on her shirt. Perfect.

BTW if somebody with an open carry had ---- them they would have been well within their rights. Especially her considering she's pointing it at people with her finger clearly on the trigger.

#38 | Posted by jpw at 2020-06-29 04:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#25 ... Look at that idiot with her finger on the trigger. ...

A friend owns guns, he is a hunter. We talk about guns and ~stuff.~

One time we were talking about gun safety (because I had recently visited another friend who has a lot of guns, he's not a hunter, and his guns were laying around his house, Loaded.).

The hunter friend told me what he considers to be the #1 run of gun safety --- never point a gun at anyone unless you intend to shoot the person.


#39 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-06-29 04:11 PM | Reply

To be fair, this took place in a gated community."

That the protesters broke into?

#35 | POSTED BY EBERLY

There are portions of the central west end ( the neighborhood where this happened) where "gated" is nothing more than restricted car access.

One end of some streets is fully blocked but the other end is open or only blocked by poles in the street. Completely open to pedestrians.

#40 | Posted by jpw at 2020-06-29 04:15 PM | Reply

Missouri Revised Statutes 571.030. 1. A person commits the crime of unlawful use of weapons if he or she knowingly...Exhibits, in the presence of one or more persons, any weapon readily capable of lethal use in an angry or threatening manner.

These two thugs should be placed under arrest.

#41 | Posted by JOE at 2020-06-29 04:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Missouri Revised Statutes 571.030. 1. A person commits the crime of unlawful use of weapons if he or she knowingly...Exhibits, in the presence of one or more persons, any weapon readily capable of lethal use in an angry or threatening manner.
These two thugs should be placed under arrest.
#41 | POSTED BY JOE

I wonder if Willowby agrees...

Yesterday, Willowby said:
I can analyze the motivation all I want. It's criminal behavior, regardless of motivation.
#36 | POSTED BY WILLOWBY
drudge.com

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-29 04:42 PM | Reply

Guy looked like he was about to go Scarface on the protestors.
The pink polo and resting the stock of the rifle on his gut... very tactical.
Seems to fit the bill for a case of brandishing a weapon in a threatening manner. And both of these people are personal injury lawyers ffs.

#43 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2020-06-29 04:42 PM | Reply

The hunter friend told me what he considers to be the #1 run of gun safety --- never point a gun at anyone unless you intend to shoot the person. #39 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

Yep. That, and always assume that there's a round in the chamber. Meanwhile the two brandishing their firearms point their guns at each other and at the protestors who were walking by the house front on their way to the governor's mansion.

#44 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2020-06-29 04:44 PM | Reply

Seems to fit the bill for a case of brandishing a weapon in a threatening manner. And both of these people are personal injury lawyers ffs.
#43 | POSTED BY GONOLES92

Personal injury law gets you a mansion?

#45 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-06-29 04:44 PM | Reply

Personal injury law gets you a mansion?
#45 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11

John Edwards Haircut on Line 2.

#46 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-29 04:49 PM | Reply

#45 In St. Louis it might, but based on the level of entitlement they've displayed i'm guessing at least one of them has daddy's money.

#47 | Posted by JOE at 2020-06-29 04:52 PM | Reply

-Personal injury law gets you a mansion?

Are you kidding? The largest homes in my town are owned by the ambulance chasers.

#48 | Posted by eberly at 2020-06-29 04:56 PM | Reply

Someone needs to tell this woman that horizontal stripes make you look fat.

#49 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-29 04:58 PM | Reply

The largest homes in my town are owned by the ambulance chasers.
#48 | POSTED BY EBERLY

I hadn't realized it was so fruitful. Always imagined the ambulance chasers doing so in old beaters with mustard stains on their shirts.

#50 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-06-29 05:05 PM | Reply

"It's a gate/fence. It can be overrun or climbed easily. "

You mean just like Trumpy's beautiful wall/fence ?

Yup.

Exactly.

#51 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-06-29 05:06 PM | Reply

He doesn't seem to get it that miscegenation is the way of the world... and that white majority is fading away... he reminds me of a salted slug... tragic to watch. It's sad for the country to see this.

All anyone had to do is let someone age-appropriate run the country and not some old fart who shot his wad in the 1980's.

#52 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2020-06-29 05:10 PM | Reply

@#51 ... You mean just like Trumpy's beautiful wall/fence ? ...

Private citizen Trump in 2004...

... "If there's a concrete wall in front of you, go through it, go over it, go around it. But get to the other side of that wall."...

#53 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-06-29 05:23 PM | Reply

#50 It's a volume game. The big players have thousands of clients every year that they send a demand letter on behalf of, and then receive a settlement (many times for nuisance value), of which they collect a sizeable chunk. Rinse and repeat, and before you know it you're waving a gun around in front of a gaudy mansion in St. Louis.

#54 | Posted by JOE at 2020-06-29 06:44 PM | Reply

Fat lady needs to be charged with reckless endangerment.

you don't wave a gun at a crowed unless they are coming directly towards you with murder in their eyes.

#55 | Posted by Tor at 2020-06-29 08:13 PM | Reply

Bye bye guns, hello prison.

Dumbasses

#56 | Posted by madscientist at 2020-06-29 08:18 PM | Reply

triggered right-wing snowflakes, with weapons.
yay.

A poster somewhere is missing it's children.

#57 | Posted by YAV at 2020-06-29 08:31 PM | Reply

oh the memes.

Rooftop Korean
Storefront Sikh
Cul-De-Sac Commandos

#58 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-06-30 09:18 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Seems to fit the bill for a case of brandishing a weapon in a threatening manner. And both of these people are personal injury lawyers ffs.

#43 | POSTED BY GONOLES92 AT 2020-06-29 04:42 PM | FLAG:

It would be, had protesters not torn the gate off the private neighborhood and began trespassing. Streets in gated neighborhoods are private not public roads, paid for by HOA dues. The lawyers side of the story is the protesters had people in the crowd saying they were there to burn down homes, businesses, and kill their dogs. Fun times in 'Merica right now.

#59 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-06-30 09:48 AM | Reply

had protesters not torn the gate off the private neighborhood and began trespassing

The gate was intact when they "began trespassing."

mobile.twitter.com

Any other lies?

#60 | Posted by JOE at 2020-06-30 10:32 AM | Reply

Good for the protesters. Only trespassing then and not destruction of property. They won't even be cited, and Ken & Karen won't be either.

#61 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-06-30 10:42 AM | Reply

So you lied then?

#62 | Posted by JOE at 2020-06-30 10:53 AM | Reply

"The St. Louis Personal Injury lawyers, Mark and Patricia McCloskey, who pulled weapons on protesters marching past their home are being investigated for possible criminal charges, the city's lead prosecutor has revealed."

#63 | Posted by YAV at 2020-06-30 11:23 AM | Reply

#62 | POSTED BY JOE AT 2020-06-30 10:53 AM | FLAG:

Changed an opinion on what happened based on further evidence. That's what adults do.

#64 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-06-30 12:01 PM | Reply

oh the memes.

The memes have been great

#65 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2020-06-30 12:03 PM | Reply

Changed an opinion on what happened based on further evidence

Saying protestors broke a gate isn't an opinion. It's a statement of fact, and an incorrect one.

#66 | Posted by JOE at 2020-06-30 12:30 PM | Reply

Saying protestors broke a gate isn't an opinion. It's a statement of fact, and an incorrect one.

#66 | POSTED BY JOE AT 2020-06-30 12:30 PM | FLAG:

You read it how you want to read it. I don't have enough crayon to preface everything I say to you and drop the colloquelism.

#67 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-06-30 12:32 PM | Reply

This guy looks ineffectual even when wearing an assault rifle

White people are pathetic

#68 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2020-06-30 12:34 PM | Reply

#67 Saying something happened when it didn't happen will never be an "opinion" regardless of how many bitchy responses you write to me.

#69 | Posted by JOE at 2020-06-30 12:39 PM | Reply

I eagerly await the sequel to this Karen and Ken film

It's the one where Karen inadvertently shoots Ken while brandishing for a nonexistent threat

It's gonna come out any day now

#70 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2020-06-30 12:49 PM | Reply

Those idiots should be disbarred.

#1 | Posted by qcp

They are defending their property. Throw the damn libs in jail,

#71 | Posted by Sniper at 2020-06-30 12:52 PM | Reply

Even with his rifle, he still looks like he is waiting for the waiter to bring him a drink replete with umbrella and cherries

#72 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2020-06-30 12:53 PM | Reply

In addition to the horizontal stripes thing, someone needs to tell these two that Emotional Support Weapons should be hugged, not brandished.

#73 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-30 01:00 PM | Reply

They are defending their property.
#71 | POSTED BY SNIPER

In the most idiotic way possible.

#74 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-06-30 01:11 PM | Reply

In snipers defense, he does plan to wage civil war via memes, so putting your spouse in your fire line repeatedly while protecting your property from a non existent threat simple makes sense

#75 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2020-06-30 01:29 PM | Reply

Trump's dogwhistles via Twitter have become deafening. We had the "white power" retweet with "BIDEN IS SHOT" and now this. When these folks start shooting they better be wearing 4-ply Depends. Jus' sayin. You'll be able to smell them coming. MAGA

#76 | Posted by getoffmedz at 2020-06-30 01:45 PM | Reply

Does anyone know whether castle doctrine jurisprudence has been tested to include private streets? I realize Missouri has a pretty expansive law in this regard, but it seems to me that someone would have an easier time defending patently illegal use of a firearm if they were defending their house, not the pavement 50 feet away from it, even though they own said pavement.

#77 | Posted by JOE at 2020-06-30 02:31 PM | Reply

had protesters not torn the gate off the private neighborhood and began trespassing. Streets in gated neighborhoods are private not public roads, paid for by HOA dues. The lawyers side of the story is the protesters had people in the crowd saying they were there to burn down homes, businesses, and kill their dogs. Fun times in 'Merica right now.

#59 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

Protesters did not break down the gate to enter the neighborhood. The gate was open. Video shows them walking through the gate and it was intact. The gate was damaged at some point after that. Perhaps when they were running to get away from the armed psychos who confronted them or perhaps by the armed psychos after they realized they messed up.
The particular street and sidewalk in question are public thoroughfares open to pedestrian traffic. I work right by there and have frequently walked through that and other similar neighborhoods.

#78 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2020-06-30 03:12 PM | Reply

"The lawyers side of the story is the protesters had people in the crowd saying they were there to burn down homes, businesses, and kill their dogs."

Simple misunderstanding.

The protesters were simply narrating all the things police have done.

#79 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-30 03:31 PM | Reply

They are defending their property.
#71 | POSTED BY SNIPER

Little Sniper is one of millions of Republicans who thinks it's morally appropriate to use lethal force to defend physical property.

Like if someone steals your garden hose, it's okay to kill them.

Sniper wishes he could afford a gun and a garden hose.

#80 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-06-30 03:35 PM | Reply

They are defending their property.
#71 | POSTED BY SNIPER

From what, exactly?

People walking in that street?

What they were actually doing was displaying how frightened they are of other people.

Couple of rich, scared, angry morons.

#81 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-06-30 03:47 PM | Reply

The particular street and sidewalk in question are public thoroughfares open to pedestrian traffic. I work right by there and have frequently walked through that and other similar neighborhoods.

That's incredible if true. First i've heard of it.

#82 | Posted by JOE at 2020-06-30 03:50 PM | Reply

Johnny, the photo at the top of this article suggests the house is indeed on a private street beyond a gate. I personally don't think this makes a difference in terms of their unjustified brandishing, but curious if this is the street you're talking about.

www.curbed.com

#83 | Posted by JOE at 2020-06-30 03:54 PM | Reply

These people were trespassing on privately owned roads.

But we all know the home owners will be screwed and the trespassers will get nothing.

Wanna bet?

#84 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-06-30 06:40 PM | Reply

I've noticed here and other places including personal experience and social media that leftwingers know more about firearm safety than rightwingers.

Funny, but sad.

#85 | Posted by horstngraben at 2020-06-30 06:50 PM | Reply

Bet what, that the owners won't be able to prosecute?

That's a given. Because it's the law, stupid

Private roads are for anyone use who can access them
You are only trespassing when notified and failed to vacate.

Gates get busted. We lost one. And mailboxes get smashed on occasion throughout neighborhoods all over America week in and week out. Are you saying you would shoot up some kids over $500 bucks, tops?

You are a douche, and plonked

#86 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2020-06-30 06:53 PM | Reply

The problem is today's right wingers do not respect firearms. They don't respect anything because their lives are soft and their education delivered by George C Scott pretending to be Patton It's all TV bang bang to them
They feel entitled to everything regardless of their own personal abilities or time invested in mastering anything. It's easier to just live in their fox newz fantasy

#87 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2020-06-30 07:05 PM | Reply

Brandishing a weapon is a far more egregious charge than trespassing.

Considering the protesters were told to move along and EVERYONE complied, there's no justification for trespassing charges against anyone.

Brandishing weapons, though? Definite justification.

#88 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-06-30 07:09 PM | Reply

Johnny, the photo at the top of this article suggests the house is indeed on a private street beyond a gate. I personally don't think this makes a difference in terms of their unjustified brandishing, but curious if this is the street you're talking about.
www.curbed.com

#83 | POSTED BY JOE

That is correct. It is a privately maintained street. I lived on one for a time when I was growing up. I currently have a public easement on my property that allows the public to access a small pond that is on adjacent public property. Before I bought my house I consulted with an attorney who informed me that I would own the land and would be responsible for maintaining the path but I cannot restrict who accesses it.
There are hundreds of such private thoroughfares in St. Louis. Some have fancy ornate gates and private security like Portland Place where the the McCloskey's live. Others have large ugly concrete flower planters that we call Schoemehl Pots (named after a former mayor) in the middle of the road to restrict vehicular traffic. Some just have signs. Either way, I've never heard of property owners in St. Louis having the right to restrict who travels on the thoroughfares that connect public spaces in St. Louis. I'm not a lawyer but former St. Louis City attorney Eric Banks is and he confirmed my belief when he told our local NPR station "you cannot control the comings and goings of citizens on your private street. I don't care if you have gates there. I don't care if you have off-duty police officers as security. It's just not possible. That is a myth that the private street residents frequently want to put forth."

#89 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2020-06-30 07:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Chief,

Public opinion will screw these people.

They did look sort of silly waving the guns around.

I feel sorry for them.

They will likely be shunned by other home owners and be forced to move.

Public opinion will attack the home owners and be supportive of the trespassers.

#90 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-06-30 07:11 PM | Reply

Johnny,

The owners themselves felt trespassed on whether or not they were.

I wouldn't know. I would never want to be part of a HOA.

I didn't know HOA private roads are meaningless.

Thanks for the info.

#91 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-06-30 07:15 PM | Reply

Public opinion will screw these people.
Good.
They did look sort of silly waving the guns around.
They sure did.
I feel sorry for them.
I don't.
They will likely be shunned by other home owners and be forced to move.
Good.

#92 | Posted by REDIAL at 2020-06-30 07:18 PM | Reply

They don't look silly. They look dangerous

It's clowns like this that are going to ruin it for the rest of us responsible gun owners

I hope someone gets them some help with their fear and shows them how to handle that weaponry

#93 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2020-06-30 07:27 PM | Reply

Chief,

They didn't actually pull the trigger which is a good thing.

On a comical note they did have a sort of Bonnie and Clyde vibe going on.

Her with that hand gun...and him a machine gun.

Now...that does lead to a question.

Why were these people walking up and down these roads in a neighborhood in the first place?

What was their purpose anyway?

#94 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-06-30 07:41 PM | Reply

Chief,

To me it appears like a deliberate attempt to provoke rich people.

#95 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-06-30 07:43 PM | Reply

Chief,

Nevermind. I see why they people where there. Pays to read.

#96 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-06-30 07:48 PM | Reply

I didn't know HOA private roads are meaningless.
Thanks for the info.

#91 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

I'm not saying that the same everywhere. Just telling you how it is here in St Louis

#97 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2020-06-30 07:54 PM | Reply

Why were these people walking up and down these roads in a neighborhood in the first place?
What was their purpose anyway?

#94 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

They were marching to Mayor Lyda Krewson's house who lives about two blocks away from the McCloskey's on another private street. Protestors have targeted the mayor's house and called for her resignation since she publicly named and gave the addresses of people who have wrote to city hall calling for police defunding. Some feel she was putting a target on their backs.
www.ksdk.com

#98 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2020-06-30 08:07 PM | Reply

Chief,

You're right....about the dangerous.

I'm not a gun person so I have to remind myself they likely had bullets in them.

#99 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-06-30 08:13 PM | Reply

The sidewalk to the street on the property I own is mine, and I have to maintain it, etc. however I can't restrict anyone from being on it. There are also restrictions on what I can plant on it. It is classified as an easement - which by the very definition states:

Easement: noun
1 Law a right to cross or otherwise use someone else's land for a specified purpose.

So kudos for Johnny_Hotsauce for setting the record straight on the private roads in St. Louis.

I did some research and the story behind them, why there are so many, and how they came to be is interesting. It also explains why they are all easements.

#100 | Posted by YAV at 2020-06-30 08:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Hm. "The sidewalk to the street" should be "The land from and including the sidewalk to the street"

#101 | Posted by YAV at 2020-06-30 08:24 PM | Reply

Now the putz is whimpering on Sucker Carlson's show.

#102 | Posted by REDIAL at 2020-06-30 09:40 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

These leftist idiots should have their weapons confiscated. They should have just planted a few of these facing the mob.

www.ima-usa.com

#103 | Posted by willowby at 2020-06-30 10:40 PM | Reply

Willow just shared her porn

What a queen

#104 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2020-06-30 11:42 PM | Reply

#104

If you consider that porn, chief, you're the one with a problem.

#105 | Posted by willowby at 2020-06-30 11:58 PM | Reply

"Frankly, you threaten me with a gun, I'm probably going to shoot you immediately because I don't know if you are going to fire first.
#15 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT"

If I showed up at your house and broke your gate down wearing body armor and armed...I wouldn't blame you.

#106 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2020-07-01 07:27 AM | Reply

It just reminds me of how victimized cl0wns must feel... always having to guard things ... keep people from stealing or hurting them in any way... no sireee bob. They seem to live in a very dangerous world with a self-image of manifest destiny... but alas... the best they came up with are self-fulfilling prophecies.sad

Damn it!! They did just like Jayzus ordered them to do... they think.

Here's the ------ prize... there is no weapon made that will grant you a single day you aren't meant to have.

besiiiides...rumor has it she has a mustard stain on her shirt... (heavy sigh) typical media always tearing at a woman's looks.

#107 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2020-07-01 07:42 AM | Reply

I see Bill has taken up the mantle of advancing the "lets all pretend we're really really stupid" argument in every thread. Pathetic.

#108 | Posted by JOE at 2020-07-01 08:32 AM | Reply

WTF?

They were on their own property with guns. They didn't kill anyone, even though the people had entered the neighborhood without having been invited.

Who gives a ---- if a bunch of snowflakes were offended by the sight of guns. No one made them break into the neighborhood. And if you choose to do so, don't expect that everyone in St. Louis is going to defer to your overgrown sense of moral superiority.

#109 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-07-01 08:46 AM | Reply

When the blowback comes, and it will, it'll happen due to the left's unwavering support for ---- like this. The mob can do whatever it likes, provided it continues to spout left-wing platitudes.

#110 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-07-01 08:51 AM | Reply

They are NOT pointing at anyone.

#2 | POSTED BY SNIPER AT

He lasered her at least 5 times and she had that pistol pointed directly at the back of his head when she crossed behind.

#111 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2020-07-01 08:56 AM | Reply

"Her finger was buried in past the 2nd knuckle and they pointed them at each other at least a dozen times, never at anyone else though..."

#112 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2020-07-01 09:02 AM | Reply

Has it been verified the safeties were off?

They didn't exactly look like they knew what were doing?

#113 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-07-01 10:13 AM | Reply

"They should have just planted a few of these facing the mob."

I am thinking a 50 cal with auto tracking and a little sand bag bunker on the roof stocked with ammo, flash bangs and smoke grenades.

#114 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-07-01 11:03 AM | Reply

Has it been verified the safeties were off?

#113 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Who buys a handgun with a safety?

#115 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2020-07-01 11:28 AM | Reply

I mean, I know they exist.

I own one, it was my dad's.

I wouldn't buy one though.

#116 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2020-07-01 11:30 AM | Reply

Who buys a handgun with a safety?

My 1911 has 2 of them.

#117 | Posted by REDIAL at 2020-07-01 11:30 AM | Reply

1911

#117 | POSTED BY REDIAL

The one I have is a 1911.

Was my grandpa's.

He got it from being OG ANTIFA.

I wouldn't buy one.

#118 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2020-07-01 11:43 AM | Reply

Re #114

I forgot to put up barbed wire. So

Add barbed wire all around the property.

That should do it! That will definitely keep those Antifa thugs off your lawn!

#119 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-07-01 11:55 AM | Reply

I wouldn't buy one.

I like mine. Don't see the safeties being a bother.

#120 | Posted by REDIAL at 2020-07-01 12:04 PM | Reply

I love my Colt Government Model Mark IV. It has a slide lock safety and a grip safety, probably the same as Redial's.

Anyway, whether the safety is engaged or not should have zero influence on how a firearm is handled. You don't point a firearm at something unless you intend to destroy it, safety engaged or not, loaded or not.

#121 | Posted by horstngraben at 2020-07-01 12:14 PM | Reply

I like mine.

#120 | POSTED BY REDIAL

Good on ya.

I still wouldn't buy a handgun with a safety.

Oh, and what difference does it make if there was a safety on the pistol this crazy fcck was pointing at the back of her husband's head?

Don't point it at anything that you don't want to destroy.

#122 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2020-07-01 12:26 PM | Reply

He lasered her at least 5 times and she had that pistol pointed directly at the back of his head when she crossed behind.
#111 | POSTED BY MRSILENCEDOGOOD

They had some strong Bonnie and Clyde vibes from them, but I think B&C had better gun handling than these fools.

#123 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2020-07-01 12:27 PM | Reply

Wouldn't want to be at a range with how she is handling that handgun, she would probably get thrown out in the first 5 minutes if she acted how she did in the video.

Anyone have an ID on that firearm?

#124 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2020-07-01 12:28 PM | Reply

They were on their own property with guns.

If your neighbor was "on his property with guns" and pointing them at your face, you'd be a fool not to call the police.

#125 | Posted by JOE at 2020-07-01 12:34 PM | Reply

you'd be a fool not to call the police.

#125 | POSTED BY JOE AT

Got this game I've been playing my whole life called "don't call the police."

How you, and everyone else, win is by not calling the police.

Then you keep winning by not calling them over and over and over.

#126 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2020-07-01 12:40 PM | Reply

Got this game I've been playing my whole life called "don't call the police."

I have guns. And access to more guns. ( being a well regulated Marine)

But. I prefer to have the police shoot my crazy neighbor if a shooting needs to be done.

Less paperwork and hassle for me.

#127 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-07-01 12:56 PM | Reply

"being a well regulated Marine"

What does well regulated mean?

#128 | Posted by eberly at 2020-07-01 01:00 PM | Reply

"They didn't exactly look like they knew what were doing?"

The way the guy was holding his gun reminded me of how I used to pose my G.I. Joe figures as a kid.

#129 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-07-01 01:16 PM | Reply

"If your neighbor was "on his property with guns" and pointing them at your face, you'd be a fool not to call the police."

Police???

Do we still have those?

#130 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-07-01 01:18 PM | Reply

And I think they did call the police...no one came.

#131 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-07-01 01:20 PM | Reply

"Was my grandpa's. He got it from being OG ANTIFA."

OG Antifa?

Dude, you've gotta tell that story.

#132 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-07-01 01:21 PM | Reply

If I lived in a gated community (which I don't) and I saw a large crowd of people break open the gate and start marching down the street toward my house, and I heard them chanting, and I saw that a few of them appeared to be armed... I don't know. I'm not a gun owner, but if I were that might be one of the very few scenarios I can imagine when I might be out in front of my house holding my gun. Also, obviously, I would be on the phone with the 9-1-1 operator. Hell, it might be one of the few scenarios when I can imagine arguing in favor of my 2nd Amendment right to own a Tommy Gun.

#133 | Posted by moder8 at 2020-07-01 01:23 PM | Reply

OG Antifa?

#132 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

If history channel still shows anything other than white people who concede that there is no way they could do it so they blame it on aliens try to catch a documentary on WW2.

OG ANTIFA.

#134 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2020-07-01 01:29 PM | Reply

Me: My grandpa fought Nazis in France.

Liberal as5ed Chad: He's a hero!

Me: I'm going to go fight some now. Wanna come with?

LAC: You're just as bad as they are!

#135 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2020-07-01 01:38 PM | Reply

I think most of our grandpas (or great granpas) fought the Nazis in France. Or Italy. Or North Africa. Or all of the above if they were in an airplane.

#136 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-07-01 01:45 PM | Reply

Well, anyway...good hunting.

#137 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-07-01 01:46 PM | Reply

Yes.

ANTIFA was very popular.

Even got a president elected.

Now a decent portion of the population has decided that Nazis are ok.

#138 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2020-07-01 01:51 PM | Reply

"It just reminds me of how victimized cl0wns must feel... always having to guard things ... keep people from stealing or hurting them in any way..."

Even worse, people think the best way to grow the American economy is to lower taxes on people like these two, allowing them to deploy more capital towards creating jobs.

When it's pretty clear their capital was deployed to a mansion, some emotional support weapons, with MAGA Pants for him and mustard for her.

#139 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-07-01 02:12 PM | Reply

I think most of our grandpas (or great granpas) fought the Nazis in France. Or Italy. Or North Africa. Or all of the above if they were in an airplane.
#136 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Ironic, then, that your grandkids are going to have a grandfather that stood up for Nazis in America.

It's just like you've been saying all along, MadBomber: It only takes three generations to squander a fortune.

Congratulations, you built that!

#140 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-07-01 02:15 PM | Reply

If I lived in a gated community (which I don't) and I saw a large crowd of people break open the gate

Since they didn't break open the gate your post is irrelevant.

#141 | Posted by JOE at 2020-07-01 02:18 PM | Reply

If I lived in a gated community (which I don't) and I saw a large crowd of people break open the gate and start marching down the street toward my house, and I heard them chanting, and I saw that a few of them appeared to be armed... I don't know.
#133 | POSTED BY MODER8

They didn't break open the gate, they didn't march towards anyone's house and I've seen no evidence that any of them were armed but even if they were, open carry is legal in St Louis.

#142 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2020-07-01 02:50 PM | Reply

Johnny H: I read that in fact a gate had been ripped open. And according to the same news reporter (I think CNN) who was marching with the group, there were a few among them who were armed with guns. Also, having a large group walking in the direction of my house, even though they may simply march on by, is the same thing as having them walk "toward" my house for purposes of a large group of people coming up the street.
If the white couple is to be condemned for coming out front with their guns, then out of fairness it is important to give a balanced view of what all was transpiring. I think many liberals in their haste to castigate that white couple are willfully overlooking some important details.

#143 | Posted by moder8 at 2020-07-01 03:55 PM | Reply

-Also, obviously, I would be on the phone with the 9-1-1 operator.

Did the couple call 911?

#144 | Posted by eberly at 2020-07-01 03:59 PM | Reply

"Johnny H: I read that in fact a gate had been ripped open."

Presuming the gate was blocking a public right of way, are you gonna tell us there's a right way and a wrong way to take it down?

#145 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-07-01 04:01 PM | Reply

A gate into a private residential community is not a public right of way. Sorry. You either need to know the code or be buzzed in. General members of the public have no right to enter.

#146 | Posted by moder8 at 2020-07-01 04:06 PM | Reply

"General members of the public have no right to enter."

Doubt it.
Just to be clear, you're saying #89 is wrong?

#147 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-07-01 04:11 PM | Reply

"If the white couple is to be condemned for coming out front with their guns"

But that's not it.

They're being condemned for pointing their guns at people.

You must lawyer for people like them, Moder8, since you routinely take the side of wealth and privilege.

#148 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-07-01 04:13 PM | Reply

"If your neighbor was "on his property with guns" and pointing them at your face, you'd be a fool not to call the police.
#125 | POSTED BY JOE"

The only police left are the smart ones that sit in their cars...radio off.
Be damn careful what you wish for.

#149 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2020-07-01 04:26 PM | Reply

Johnny H: I read that in fact a gate had been ripped open. And according to the same news reporter (I think CNN) who was marching with the group, there were a few among them who were armed with guns. Also, having a large group walking in the direction of my house, even though they may simply march on by, is the same thing as having them walk "toward" my house for purposes of a large group of people coming up the street.
If the white couple is to be condemned for coming out front with their guns, then out of fairness it is important to give a balanced view of what all was transpiring. I think many liberals in their haste to castigate that white couple are willfully overlooking some important details.

#143 | POSTED BY MODER8

There is no evidence that anyone busted through the gate to enter the neighborhood as the McCloskeys claim. The gate was at some point damaged but not when the group entered. Perhaps it occured when people were trying to exit area after they were confronted by two armed crazy looking people. Perhaps it was damaged by the McCloskeys to create a cover story. No one knows at this point. What is for certain though is that video from the march clearly shows the gate was open and intact when the group entered through it.
As for guns, again the only claim I've heard that anyone among the protestors were armed was from the McCloskeys who are already on record making a false statement about the group busting down the gate in order to enter. I have heard someone inaccurately claim that video from the scene appears to show a protestors with a gun. What the person claimed was a gun was actually part of a video camera.
I believe I am giving them a balanced view out of fairness. They legit may have been fearful. They legit may have believed they can dictate who can walk on the street and sidewalk in the neighborhood. That still does not give them justification for pointing deadly weapons at people who are lawfully assembled. They appear to have broken the law and the St. Louis DA should be and is examining the situation to determine if charges should be pressed against them or any of the protestors.
I believe that everything I have claimed so far is based on the facts and that their story doesn't fit the facts.

Now I could speculate based on additional facts, such as this protest and it's route was planned in advance and publicized via local social media. And that in the same video that shows the group walking through the unlocked, undamaged gate that it appears the McCloskey's may have already been outside with their guns on the ready at the moment the protestors arrived.

#150 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2020-07-01 07:43 PM | Reply

Johnny H: I read that in fact a gate had been ripped open.
#143 | POSTED BY MODER8

Here is the video of the group arriving at the open gate and walking through. You can hear and already armed Mr. McCloskey start yelling at them from his porch almost immediately when they enter through the gate. You can also see that the group was traveling up the sidewalk and the street and was not heading towards the house.

twitter.com

Does what you see in this video match the police report which states " The victims stated they were on their property when they heard a loud commotion coming from the street. When the victims went to investigate the commotion, they observed a large group of subjects forcefully break an iron gate... Once through the gate, the victims advised the group that they were on a private street and trespassing and told them to leave. The group began yelling obscenities and threats of harm to both victims. When the victims observed multiple subjects who were armed, they then armed themselves and contacted police."

#151 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2020-07-01 07:56 PM | Reply

The best part of that twitter link is that the video so obviously refutes the claim that couple made and other idiots echoed (some still echoing it), and the horrified pro-the-gun-nut-couple people commenting on the feed are racists, even comparing the protest with terrorism and how America is South Africa now.

That and every armchair twit is saying how they'd show 'em! Oh, and that the protesters are "enemy combatants" now.

The DR seems so tame these days...

#152 | Posted by YAV at 2020-07-01 08:26 PM | Reply

"Ironic, then, that your grandkids are going to have a grandfather that stood up for Nazis in America."

I'm not aware of anyone standing up for National Socialists in the US.

Personally, I can't stand socialists of any stripe.

#153 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-07-02 01:58 AM | Reply

"Since they didn't break open the gate your post is irrelevant."

You mean "they" collectively? No, it wasn't. It was only two who broke the gate, the rest just entered.

#154 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-07-02 01:59 AM | Reply

"Presuming the gate was blocking a public right of way, are you gonna tell us there's a right way and a wrong way to take it down?"

Maybe this community is different, but I have a house in a gated community in Louisiana.

You're not within your rights to pull down that gate just because you might want to enter the neighborhood.

#155 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-07-02 02:01 AM | Reply

"There is no evidence that anyone busted through the gate to enter the neighborhood as the McCloskeys claim."

You seem to be implying that, maybe the gate was left open, and then destroyed by the mob as they passed through?

I haven't seen it posted here, but McKlusky called the protesters on their reason for being there. The protesters had stated they intended to march to the Mayor's house. Apparently it was not reachable via the route they had taken through the McKlusky's neighborhood. Furthermore, the group that organized the event, "Expect US," has indicated that they intend to break laws and make people uncomfortable in their effort to create change.

#156 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-07-02 02:08 AM | Reply

So then how do you get to your house? Zip line? El Chapo tunnel?
...

If something is obstructing a public right of way, as was the case here, I don't see much of a problem removing the obstruction. Obviously if it's a gate it should be opened, not destroyed.

#157 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-07-02 02:10 AM | Reply

"Expect US," has indicated that they intend to break laws and make people uncomfortable in their effort to create change.

Civil disobedience is a hallmark of a free society.

No wonder you hate it.

#158 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-07-02 02:11 AM | Reply

"I'm not aware of anyone standing up for National Socialists in the US."

The police stand up for them every time they march.

And then Trump says there were good people on both sides.

#159 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-07-02 02:13 AM | Reply

"So then how do you get to your house? Zip line? El Chapo tunnel?"

Residents punch in a code. Emergency Service providers have a special key.

"If something is obstructing a public right of way, as was the case here, I don't see much of a problem removing the obstruction. Obviously if it's a gate it should be opened, not destroyed."

It's not a public right of way. It's clearly labelled as a private community at each of the two entrances.

#160 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-07-02 04:46 AM | Reply

You mean "they" collectively? No, it wasn't. It was only two who broke the gate, the rest just entered.

they did NOT break the gate when they entered. There's no indication they broke the gate at all, but there's a claim by the owners they did to get in, That is a known lie.

It's also an easement, even though it's private property. The public has a right to use it just like they do the easement on my private property.

This is all clearly documented in the videos and twitter feeds Johnny Hotsauce has provided and the explanations he's provided, and I provided.

You repeating everything that's been disproven doesn't make it so, MB. You are wrong and ignoring the videos won't change reality.

#161 | Posted by YAV at 2020-07-02 08:16 AM | Reply

"It's also an easement, even though it's private property. The public has a right to use it just like they do the easement on my private property."

So, there is no real legal purpose for having a gated community? You're saying the public has a right to enter a gated community that clearly communicates that the general public is not allowed in? I can drive through, or enter in some way any gated community I want and when confronted by the landowner, private security or even the police, I can just tell them "It's an easement. I have a right to use this property"?

Is that what you're saying?

#162 | Posted by eberly at 2020-07-02 09:41 AM | Reply

"You repeating everything that's been disproven doesn't make it so, MB. You are wrong and ignoring the videos won't change reality."

So...walk me though this so that I understand. Some ruffians came around and destroyed the gate, but they were different people than those who used the broken gate to gain access to the neighborhood. Am I there?

I mean, I've seen pictures of a gate. It had been destroyed. Was the gate shown on the major news networks not the gate in question?

Is this a conspiracy?

#163 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-07-02 10:22 AM | Reply

#162

That's my question. My understanding is that easements are generally to allow people access to something they own that would require them to cross public property. There are public easements, but I don't know if this is one.

And I have a house in a gated community. If any random person can enter the private community at their leisure, can they also use the community pool? The clubhouse, the playground?

Can they just go anywhere they wish, provided they have the mob strength to suppress those who live in the neighborhood?

#164 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-07-02 10:25 AM | Reply

So, there is no real legal purpose for having a gated community? You're saying the public has a right to enter a gated community that clearly communicates that the general public is not allowed in? I can drive through, or enter in some way any gated community I want and when confronted by the landowner, private security or even the police, I can just tell them "It's an easement. I have a right to use this property"?
Is that what you're saying?
#162 | POSTED BY EBERLY

It's not a "gated community". It's a gated street to restrict the flow of vehicular traffic. You walk about half way up that street and you'll find a sidewalk that connects the neighborhood to the next street over. Pedestrian traffic is allowed. There are hundreds of such streets throughout St. Louis. See my previous comments, especially #89.

#166 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2020-07-02 10:26 AM | Reply

165

You're cute.

Now, your teepee (which we all know you don't own) might be located near a stream on the reservation. And you probably piss in that stream. Is that what you think an "easement" refers to?

Can you even pronounce the word "easement" while wasted on Old Charter?

#167 | Posted by eberly at 2020-07-02 10:46 AM | Reply

I have a house in a gated community
POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Of course you do.

#168 | Posted by JOE at 2020-07-02 10:47 AM | Reply

166

Thanks for clearing that up. I didn't realize it wasn't a private gated community.

Regardless, I'm not defending the homeowners for acting like that.

#169 | Posted by eberly at 2020-07-02 10:48 AM | Reply

168

And that bothers you, of course.

I don't live in a gated community although we've discussed it in the past.

I'm not going to spend money for it.

#170 | Posted by eberly at 2020-07-02 10:49 AM | Reply

It doesn't bother me at all. It just explains a lot about his worldview.

#171 | Posted by JOE at 2020-07-02 10:54 AM | Reply

"The police stand up for them every time they march."

The stand up for socialists of all stripes when they march. Nationalist...Soviet...Democratic...

That is (was) their job.

#172 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-07-02 10:57 AM | Reply

"There is no evidence that anyone busted through the gate to enter the neighborhood as the McCloskeys claim."
You seem to be implying that, maybe the gate was left open, and then destroyed by the mob as they passed through?
I haven't seen it posted here, but McKlusky called the protesters on their reason for being there. The protesters had stated they intended to march to the Mayor's house. Apparently it was not reachable via the route they had taken through the McKlusky's neighborhood. Furthermore, the group that organized the event, "Expect US," has indicated that they intend to break laws and make people uncomfortable in their effort to create change.

#156 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

I'm not implying anything. I clearly stated the pedestrian gate was open as it has been every single time I've ever walked that route over the years. Watch the video at the twitter link I provided.
Any claim that the Mayor's house is not reachable from Portland Pl is false. Lake Ave, the street that Mayor Krewson lives on, intersects with Portland Pl from the south. Then there is a sidewalk that leads 1 block to the north and Lake Ave resumes.

As for Expect US and other groups breaking minor laws and ordinances, yes, that is how protests usually work. Otherwise it's not really a protest now is it? What do you call people not disrupting normal day to day activities and not making people think about injustice? That's just everyday life and complacency. What do you think MLK, Ghandi, Rosa Parks and Mandela were arrested for? What do you think the purpose of was of the Singing Revolution, Tiananmen Square, Montgomery, Selma and Tommie Smith and John Carlos at the 68 olympics? They were breaking the rules and making people feel uncomfortable.

#173 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2020-07-02 10:58 AM | Reply

"It doesn't bother me at all. It just explains a lot about his worldview."

It bothers you.

Be honest.

#174 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-07-02 11:02 AM | Reply

No, i'm aware that people live in gated communities and some anonymous idiot on the internet being one of those people doesn't bother me. It's just very informative as to your unrealistic and idiotic claims with respect to the Coronavirus and other topics. But if you want to pretend that someone who probably makes more money than you do is mad that you live in a place i'd never want to live in the first place, that can be your fun little game. Enjoy!

#175 | Posted by JOE at 2020-07-02 11:06 AM | Reply

"I clearly stated the pedestrian gate was open as it has been every single time I've ever walked that route over the years."

Opened or destroyed?

"As for Expect US and other groups breaking minor laws and ordinances, yes, that is how protests usually work."

Fair enough. So you don't really have much of a problem with the whole Cliven Bundy episodes?

I think there is a difference between protesting on public property, such as the Selma bridge, and private property. In Seattle, there is a statue of Lenin that's been erected on private property. I would be very much against those whose families were devastated by socialism going on to that property and destroying that statue.

#176 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-07-02 11:06 AM | Reply

"It bothers me a ton. It also explains MY worldview."

ft

#177 | Posted by eberly at 2020-07-02 11:08 AM | Reply

"But if you want to pretend that someone who probably makes more money than you do is mad that you live in a place i'd never want to live in the first place, that can be your fun little game."

Please...

If you have money it's because a relative left it to you.

People who earn their money don't tend to go the Berniebro route. Those who are given their money do.

#178 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-07-02 11:09 AM | Reply

"you live in a place i'd never want to live in the first place,"

why so judgmental?

#179 | Posted by eberly at 2020-07-02 11:11 AM | Reply

Jaime Johnson (Johnson & Johnson) devoted his life to fighting income inequality, despite the fact that he was one of the wealthiest people in the country.

Funny thing, he could have given it away at any time.

Rich progressives never doubt that they deserve what their parents have given them...it's everyone else who has lied, cheated, or steal to earn a high income.

#180 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-07-02 11:12 AM | Reply

"you live in a place i'd never want to live in the first place,"

What's wrong with Germany?

#181 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-07-02 11:13 AM | Reply

If you have money it's because a relative left it to you.

Never happened, ever.

People who earn their money don't tend to go the Berniebro route. Those who are given their money do.

This is a common refrain from sociopaths who don't care about their neighbors. I've earned every penny i've ever had and i'm still paying off the debts i incurred to get here. And i'm more than willing to oay more in taxes to improve the quality of life in America, because i'm not a greedy -------.

#182 | Posted by JOE at 2020-07-02 11:14 AM | Reply

-Rich progressives never doubt that they deserve what their parents have given them...it's everyone else who has lied, cheated, or steal to earn a high income.

the Kennedy family is a pretty good example of that.

#183 | Posted by eberly at 2020-07-02 11:14 AM | Reply

"Rich progressives never doubt that they deserve what their parents have given them.."

Only progressives?!?

Is Germany located in Bizarro World?

#184 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-07-02 11:15 AM | Reply

why so judgmental?

Wasn't a judgment at all - was a statement in response to claims that i'm "bothered" that Madbum owns a home in a gated community.

#185 | Posted by JOE at 2020-07-02 11:15 AM | Reply

-And i'm more than willing to oay more in taxes

where does this -------- personal pledge to pay more in taxes come from? We're not even discussing taxes and yet he craps that out.

#186 | Posted by eberly at 2020-07-02 11:16 AM | Reply

Hilarious to see someone who thinks any progressive with money must have had it handed to them. As though it's impossible for someone who earns a good living to want to see American social policy and infrastructure enter the first world. Only a sociopath wouldn't be able to comprehend this. Enter Madbomber.

#187 | Posted by JOE at 2020-07-02 11:16 AM | Reply

-Wasn't a judgment at all -

Really? so, if you bring up you live in a 800 sq ft apartment in Chicago and I respond "you live in a place I'd never want to live in the first place"....that's not being judgmental?

I think it is.

#188 | Posted by eberly at 2020-07-02 11:18 AM | Reply

Ok.

Who cares? ---- off Eberly, you little ----.

#189 | Posted by JOE at 2020-07-02 11:20 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

"It doesn't bother me at all. It just explains a lot about his worldview.

#171 | POSTED BY JOE "

Corky has stated in the past he lives in a gated community, too. I guess since you think gated communities define a person's
worldview, corky and madbomber have the same one. That is quite interesting.

You claim to be a lawyer, don't you? I am guessing you are not a very successful one since law relies very heavily on logic and you fail to demonstrate any, Joe.

#190 | Posted by rjm53 at 2020-07-02 11:29 AM | Reply

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