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Thursday, July 02, 2020

Kentucky Senator Rand Paul on Tuesday told the directors of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases that the experts responsible for issuing recommendations on the nation's response to the coronavirus pandemic should practice more caution.

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Is there anybody but me who's beginning to think that the neighbor who attacked Rand Paul was actually trying to do the public a service?

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-07-01 06:13 PM | Reply | Funny: 5

But-but-but...

What if they were certified by a board, like the one you invented when you couldn't pass the test?

#2 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-07-01 07:36 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

#1 | Posted by tonyroma

I was thinking more along the lines of brain damage from the blow.

#3 | Posted by Angrydad at 2020-07-01 08:02 PM | Reply

Why have expert witnesses at trials, if experts don't know best?

Ron Paul must be either unabashedly proud or deeply ashamed of his son. There is no grey area here.

#4 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-07-01 08:31 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Leave it to Rand Paul to find a way to insult everybody in the room.

Where does Kentucky find these mental midgets? They must grow on trees.

#5 | Posted by Twinpac at 2020-07-01 08:34 PM | Reply

The problem is not the various experts Pres Trump is listening to.

The problem is why Pres Trump is listening to what subset of the various experts.

Pres Trump is listening to the experts, not to fight the pandemic and save American lives.

Pres Trump is listening to the experts, in order to get re-elected.

For now, Pres Trump has chosen the experts he listens to based upon his apparent belief that a strong economy will get him re-elected. So he's been listening to the "get the economy going again and all will be well" experts.

Unfortunately, the reality seems to be that the economy won't be all that well until we get control of the pandemic.


#6 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-07-01 09:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Sick people cost money. Dead people are often cheaper. Trump's all about the Benjamin's, Baby!

#7 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-07-01 11:01 PM | Reply

@#7 ... Sick people cost money. Dead people are often cheaper. ..

I disagree.

Sick people are an ongoing revenue stream to the profit-focused healthcare industry.

Dead people curtail that revenue stream.


#8 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-07-01 11:17 PM | Reply

@#8

If I may add to the comment...

With a profit-focused healthcare industry, why practice preventive medicine? Such practice only reduces the profits.

In the eyes of the healthcare industry in the United States, it is better for profits to have sick people than it is to have healthy people who do not need healthcare.

Think about that for a while as you ponder to true goal of the healthcare industry here in this Country.....

Let that sink in....

#9 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-07-01 11:47 PM | Reply

"In the eyes of the healthcare industry in the United States, it is better for profits to have sick people than it is to have healthy people who do not need healthcare."

This isn't really true, and it's only economically true in a fee-for-service model.

In a managed care aka capitated payment model, you don't want them getting sick, because that leads to "medical loss." So the economics are reversed.

As Haldeman explained Kaiser's business model to Nixon on the tapes.

#10 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-07-01 11:53 PM | Reply

@#10 ... it's only economically true in a fee-for-service model. ...

Fee-for-service is not consistent across all states.

Here in Connecticut I've seen the so-called "balance billing" where the hospitals bill the patients directly for the costs not covered by their insurance.

The result of that strategy is seen in the foreclosure listings in the local newspapers, which often show the local healthcare entities as the owner of a lien of the house of people going through the foreclosure proceedings.

Based upon that, I have concluded that a goal of the healthcare industry here is to transfer the ownership (i.e., wealth) of patients to the private equity owners of the local healthcare system.

This seems to have been a marked change in the past years since private equity has made an inroad in healthcare locally.

I have looked at why so many private equity firms are buying up local healthcare entities. Nothing of what I've seen seems to be good for the patients.


#11 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-07-02 12:09 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Based upon that, I have concluded that a goal of the healthcare industry here is to transfer the ownership (i.e., wealth) of patients to the private equity owners of the local healthcare system."

Come on. That's the goal of any business, when you pare it back. "Give us your money."

Health care just costs a lot more and is a lot more essential.

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-07-02 12:13 AM | Reply

"I have looked at why so many private equity firms are buying up local healthcare entities. Nothing of what I've seen seems to be good for the patients."

In rural America, the trend is fewer and fewer hospitals, since they're not as profitable as hospitals in urban settings.

None of it is supposed to be good for the patient.

Capitalism isn't supposed to be good for people. It's supposed to be good for Capitalists. Health care just amplifies the reasons why.

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-07-02 01:06 AM | Reply

Isn't Rand Paul a doctor?

So he's saying people shouldn't presume he knows what he's talking about?

WTF?

JFC.

FML.

#14 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-07-02 01:17 AM | Reply

...as opposed to what Paul, Right Wing MO-RONS?
I'll stick with the experts, thank you...

#15 | Posted by earthmuse at 2020-07-02 11:19 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Who needs experts when you have Sean Hannity?"

Donald Trump

#16 | Posted by danni at 2020-07-02 12:08 PM | Reply

Memo to Randy: go cut your grass. When you see them, wave to your neighbors...

#17 | Posted by catdog at 2020-07-02 12:37 PM | Reply

How did so many people in the GOP come to embrace this anti-science mentality? Is it all religious based? Is it just stupid people being stupid?

#18 | Posted by moder8 at 2020-07-02 12:40 PM | Reply

Is it just stupid people being stupid?

#18 | POSTED BY MODER8

Trumpism is a disease.

#19 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-07-02 12:51 PM | Reply

Rand Paul takes himself too seriously.

He's in need of a good ribbing.

#20 | Posted by Tor at 2020-07-02 01:00 PM | Reply

Speaking of Randian Objectivist Rand Paul....

Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes! - Leonardo da Vinci

There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge. - Isaac Asimov

Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity. - Martin Luther King, Jr.

It is certain, in any case, that ignorance, allied with power, is the most ferocious enemy justice can have. - James Baldwin

The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about - Wayne Dyer

#21 | Posted by Corky at 2020-07-02 01:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

In all fairness, Bernie had an economic plan. Anyone who bought that pile of ---- was disregarding the experts...as well as anyone else who had ever taken an econ class.

#22 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-07-02 03:55 PM | Reply

"There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been."

Yeah.

And you're the grand Poobah of that cult.

#23 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-07-02 03:57 PM | Reply

That was mean. You're actually somewhat normal Corky...but sometimes it's fun to pick your favorite boogers:)

#24 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-07-02 03:59 PM | Reply

I love how MadDummber, who pretends to be currently living in Germany, wants to talk about Bernie's economic plan being a pile of shht.

Hey stupid. Why don't you go live in Somalia or Honduras and report back to us in 4 years about how great your life is.

You're clearly a toll.

I've begun to doubt everything you've told us about yourself.

#25 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-07-02 03:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- you're the grand Poobah of that cult.

Asimov had your number with that quote.

I'm sure it must be difficult for you to be even semi-cognizant while watching your rwing cult march off of the lemming cliff after Dear Leader Trump.

But hey, you can always do what you do here; post nonsense as if it were fact on another thread, get called on it, fail to defend said lies, then come over here to another thread and make more idiotic claims. Rinse, repeat.

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#26 | Posted by Corky at 2020-07-02 04:15 PM | Reply

MadBomber only likes solutions that have never been shown to work.
Like his "invade COVID-19" plan.
No country has done that.

If he were a D&D character, he took all his Wisdom points and put them into Intelligence.

That's also why he can never think he's wrong about anything. Look at all those intelligence points!

#27 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-07-02 04:24 PM | Reply

MadBomber only likes solutions that have never been shown to work.

His user page does say he's a Libertarian, so...res ipsa loquitur.

#28 | Posted by JOE at 2020-07-02 04:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

MadBomber only likes solutions that have never been shown to work.

His user page does say he's a Libertarian, so...res ipsa loquitur.

#28 | Posted by JOE

Mexico is a "libertarian" society. No social safety nets, etc. How's that working out?

#29 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-07-02 05:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

In all fairness, Bernie had an economic plan. Anyone who bought that pile of ---- was disregarding the experts...as well as anyone else who had ever taken an econ class.

#22 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Lame.

Economics isn't really a science. It tries. But it's not. Not to mention righties are pretty much always economic disasters you're running thin on reasons to think your opinion is worth two craps.

However, what's happening now with the surges was entirely predicted by public health and medical professionals. ----, I've been saying exactly what's happening for months. Because it's based on actual science.

So STFU about your stupid econ ----. Unless you want to tell the class again how a retiree with a pension is as economically inert as a dependent child...

#30 | Posted by jpw at 2020-07-03 01:21 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"In all fairness, Bernie had an economic plan. Anyone who bought that pile of ---- was disregarding the experts...as well as anyone else who had ever taken an econ class."

Trump and Moscow Mitch just gave away over 2 trillion dollars and won't even tell us who got the money. Your opinions are just partisan crap not based on any intelligent thought. Recent history. Reagan slashed taxes and created a recession and deep debt. Clinton got elected and managed to pull the economy back together after raising taxes. Bush 2 got elected and totally destroyed the economy even worse than Reagan after slashing taxes again. Obama took over and put things back together again only to be succeeded by Trump who has now destroyed the economy in a level never before seen in our history. MB and economics.....two things which should never be in the same sentence.

#31 | Posted by danni at 2020-07-03 08:41 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

"I'm sure it must be difficult for you to be even semi-cognizant while watching your rwing cult march off of the lemming cliff after Dear Leader Trump."

Me? a Trump supporter?

You must be joking.

Half of the jokers here have no problem with Trump's authoritarian tendencies, they're just pissed that it wasn't their authoritarian who had won the presidency. Had Bernie somehow slithered into office, you can bet they would support whatever he did.

#32 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-07-03 12:18 PM | Reply

"Mexico is a "libertarian" society. No social safety nets, etc. How's that working out?"

Mexico is Libertarian?

try owning a gun there.

#33 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-07-03 12:19 PM | Reply

"So STFU about your stupid econ ----.

My goodness.

What is it you take issue with? Do you think that Mirco/Macro fundamentals are somehow incorrect? Where do you think contemporary economics goes wrong?

You sound like Danni, who similarly claims she don't need nun dat larnin.

#34 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-07-03 12:22 PM | Reply

"MB and economics.....two things which should never be in the same sentence."

It's not me. I didn't invent the study of the economy. I'm just parroting those who.

#35 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-07-03 12:23 PM | Reply

I used to think ole Randy was cool. He thought outside the box!

Now I wish he'd just get in a box. And stay there.

#36 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-07-03 12:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I think government health experts during this pandemic need to show caution in their prognostications. It's important to realize that if society meekly submits to an expert, and that expert is wrong, a great deal of harm may occur,"
- Sen. Rand Paul

Alternatively, we could just follow someone who not only has no expertise but also ignores the advice of the knowledgeable individuals that he has hired.

Honest Question:
How's that working out for ya, GOP?

#37 | Posted by TrueBlue at 2020-07-03 12:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"Where do you think contemporary economics goes wrong?"

When our government adopted trickle down economics.

#38 | Posted by danni at 2020-07-03 01:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

And Rand Paul demonstrates that he is just as idiotic about healthcare as he is about economics.

#39 | Posted by danni at 2020-07-03 01:10 PM | Reply

Says the guy who created his own Board of Ophthalmology to certify him. Couldn't pass the muster with the real one?

#40 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-07-03 02:15 PM | Reply

"When our government adopted trickle down economics."

As opposed to what? A command economy?

#41 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-07-04 07:34 AM | Reply

"And Rand Paul demonstrates that he is just as idiotic about healthcare as he is about economics."

Is that based on your own extensive study of economics?

#42 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-07-04 07:34 AM | Reply

LMAO... what do you want to bet when he leaves this job he becomes a "consultant".

#43 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2020-07-04 07:35 AM | Reply

RIGHT/TRITE

"what do you want to bet when he leaves this job he becomes a "consultant"."

What do you want to bet that be becomes a board member of RUSAL, a Russian owned aluminum rolling plant in Ashville, KY that was ushered past sanctions by Mitch McConnell to set up business in 2018 and whose purpose is to spread Russian influence in the U.S. vis-a-via political "connections."

Mitch might even end up with one of RUSAL's golden parachutes out of the deal when he finds himself unemployed in January. In fact, he might even be looking forward to it.

#44 | Posted by Twinpac at 2020-07-04 08:28 AM | Reply

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