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Thursday, July 09, 2020

Public health experts decried the anti-lockdown protests as dangerous gatherings in a pandemic. Health experts seem less comfortable doing so now that the marches are against racism.

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As the pandemic took hold, most epidemiologists have had clear proscriptions in fighting it: No students in classrooms, no in-person religious services, no visits to sick relatives in hospitals, no large public gatherings.

So when conservative anti-lockdown protesters gathered on state capitol steps in places like Columbus, Ohio, and Lansing, Mich., in April and May, epidemiologists scolded them and forecast surging infections. When Gov. Brian Kemp of Georgia relaxed restrictions on businesses in late April as testing lagged and infections rose, the talk in public health circles was of that state's embrace of human sacrifice.

And then the brutal killing of George Floyd by the police in Minneapolis on May 25 changed everything.

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#1 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2020-07-09 03:47 PM | Reply

Well, two things.

One, my recollection is that at least the MI protests were criticized for being inside with nobody wearing masks. BLM protests are outside and a significant proportion of people are wearing masks.

Second, the reopen protests were asking for exactly what has happened and the end results that were warned about are what are happening. Criticism of the reopen protests was far more warranted because they were plain stupid.

#2 | Posted by jpw at 2020-07-09 04:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Criticism of the reopen protests was far more warranted because they were plain stupid."

Fair enough.

So you think that outdoor gatherings should be allowed?

#3 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-07-10 03:50 AM | Reply

I can see where epidemiologists would be skittish. if they criticized the protests, they would almost certainly be branded as racists. Very likely they would be forced to issue an apology...maybe even lose their jobs.

#4 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-07-10 03:52 AM | Reply

And for your world news update, I was in Amsterdam for the last two days. Everything was open and no masks were required in public places. I needed masks on the train, if I wasn't drinking. So I drank beer for much of the way. I also needed a mask on a short ferry ride, which was odd to me because it was an open ferry.

#5 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-07-10 03:55 AM | Reply

So you think that outdoor gatherings should be allowed?

#3 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

It seems outdoor gatherings are OK as there is no evidence showing protests resulted in increased transmission and studies of case sources showed the vast majority were sourced from close contact indoors at home or during mass transit. Very few were from outdoor exposure.

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Which is why, at least in the state that I reside in, the mask policy is that they are required whenever indoors in public spaces but only required in public outdoor spaces when it's not possible to distance properly. Needless to say restaurant patios are packed.

#6 | Posted by jpw at 2020-07-10 10:50 AM | Reply

#6

We had a conversation a few months back about how COVID was likely going to drive some significant changes. I thought I would share some of the few I've seen.

In Amsterdam, you no longer purchase tickets from a vendor. You make a reservation online and purchase the ticket that way. And restaurants operate very differently. At least some do. You would make a reservation online, even if it was for an immediate seating. You would scan a QR code, which would bring up the menu via web. And you would order your food that way. I actually preferred it. You can order what you want when you want, rather than waiting on a server to come by.

#7 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-07-10 11:40 AM | Reply

Interesting. Sounds like that would be a preferable and more easily controlled way to eat out.

By easily controlled I mean you want a beer, you get a beer. No "no thank you, I'm good for now" three times before you say yes.

#8 | Posted by jpw at 2020-07-10 03:22 PM | Reply

I really liked it.

Dining in Europe can be frustrating at times. Some people want to spend three hours on a meal. Most of the time I just want to eat and move on.

Very convenient. I hope it takes hold.

#9 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-07-10 03:25 PM | Reply

www.vanityfair.com

This was another change I was watching for and was, honestly, surprised it took so little time to move forward.

I started a thread on it but it didn't get any traction.

I also haven't looked up whether this has changed since this happened, as it could have been bluster for negotiation's sake.

#10 | Posted by jpw at 2020-07-10 03:44 PM | Reply

Covid outbreak in Houston protesters and the police assigned to it. Exactly as expected for defying a large gathering ban.

#11 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-07-11 09:05 AM | Reply

Do you have a link to support that?

The only one I found was a link describing an increase in police officer infections that was published June 12.

#12 | Posted by jpw at 2020-07-11 10:47 AM | Reply

Depends who your are.

#13 | Posted by fresno500 at 2020-07-11 06:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Are Protests Dangerous? Depends on how you're protesting.

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-07-11 06:43 PM | Reply

"I was in Amsterdam for the last two days."

United States: 3,353,071 total cases. +59,144 new cases today. 137,382 total deaths.
Netherlands: 50,921 total cases. +81 new cases today. 6,137 total deaths.

Netherlands has a population of 17.28 million, so if you scale Netherlands numbers up to match the US population of 328.2 million, you get

United States: 3,353,071 total cases. +59,144 new cases today. 137,382 total deaths.
Netherlands (scaled): 967,145 total cases. +1538 new cases today. 116,560 total deaths.

Note how the number of total deaths scales comparably, but the number or total cases and especially new cases, Amsterdam has practically gone to zero, compared to where Untied States is.

That is because Netherlands flattened the curve, and United States is still ramping up the curve.

Elections matter. Leaders matter.

#15 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-07-11 06:57 PM | Reply

Do you have a link to support that?

#12 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2020-07-11 10:47 AM | FLAG:

Turn on local Houston news. Try newsweek? They interview people that fell sick after protesting, massive uptick in that age demographic 2 weeks later. Covid outbreak in officers assigned to the protest. Most protests in Texas were 100-250 people. Houston is something else. The only person in denial is the Houston mayor who okay'd the protests but cancelled the GOP convention. Now the city is being sued and will have to pay the state GOP party a million or so dollars. Democrat mayor, Democrat judge running the county who enforced shutdowns, now claiming they can't shut down anything and it's all on the Governor. After our wonderful Democrat police chief claimed all the rioters were shipped in from Austin, which was he knew was a lie to begin with.

#16 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-07-12 10:01 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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