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Thursday, July 09, 2020

In a stunning blow to Oklahoma's state government, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled Thursday that much of eastern Oklahoma is located on an Indian reservation. In a 5-4 ruling, the justices declared that Congress never diminished or disestablished the land as a reservation.



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Can the nations erect a fence on their borders and keep people who don't get a CV test out?

#1 | Posted by Tor at 2020-07-09 09:05 PM | Reply

This is excellent news; it made my day.

We as a nation cannot go back and undo the horrible things our governments have done to these people. But we can, at the very least, honor the treaties.

#2 | Posted by horstngraben at 2020-07-09 09:18 PM | Reply

No one is accusing liberals of defending a------------?

Give it a few days.

#3 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-07-09 09:39 PM | Reply

This is gonna really piss off some people in OK.
They don't want to admit wrong,much less give valuable land back and lose sovereignty over that whole area. No more taxes for OK from the whole eastern half of the"state". They may also lose electoral votes as well. OUCH!

#4 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-07-09 11:15 PM | Reply

How would they lose electoral votes? Couldn't they opt to be a district like DC and still have representation in national affairs? I'm all for this but they should be carving out some districts near the great lakes as that is where many were from originally. Ever been near Seneca New York? There's a long standing case there that should be resolved in a similar fashion. ILM

#5 | Posted by mutant at 2020-07-09 11:30 PM | Reply

My law school classmate and friend Justice Gorsuch again proving why of all the possible Trump picks, we could've done much much worse than him.

In fact we did: Kavanaugh.

This Gorsuch opinion is a resounding cry: Indian Lives Matter. Check out the opening:

#6 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-07-09 11:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

let NE ok from western most osage county and as far south as the edge part or all of tulsa have it's own congressional district.

#7 | Posted by Tor at 2020-07-09 11:39 PM | Reply

If they're truly sovereign nation's they are not American citizens. OK would lose the population of those areas. The Nations could apply to be another state theoretically, or possibly even several states.

#8 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-07-09 11:41 PM | Reply

The ruling is limited to the criminal law context, and involves state courts not having jurisdiction over natives who commit crimes against other natives on "Indian Territory." It is not in any way an order telling the State of Oklahoma or the non-natives living in the Creek Nation's boundaries that they have to give something back or that literally anything else will change. It simply says - native on native crime in the region at issue cannot be resolved in state courts.

#9 | Posted by JOE at 2020-07-10 12:11 AM | Reply

Thanks effeteposer for elaborating. OK has what 6 electorals? So they goto 3 and 3 go to the new ILM district. Then other states follow? This is actually a good thing amongst all the bs these daze.

#10 | Posted by mutant at 2020-07-10 12:13 AM | Reply

This could be an autonomous zone most real Americans can understand

#11 | Posted by mutant at 2020-07-10 12:15 AM | Reply

Read Joe's post as many times as you need to understand what the ruling means.
Hopefully real Americans are smarter than you.

#12 | Posted by bored at 2020-07-10 12:20 AM | Reply

So staus quo is still in existence? Why are you so racist against original true Americans?

#13 | Posted by mutant at 2020-07-10 12:30 AM | Reply

You speak with forked tongue bored.

#14 | Posted by mutant at 2020-07-10 12:35 AM | Reply

"My law school classmate and friend Justice Gorsuch"

You're friends with a Supreme Court justice?

I cannot top that, but once upon a time a guy I worked with was in the grocery store checkout line behind Sandra Day O'Connor.
The cashier, not knowing who it was, asked her for ID when she paid by check.
My co-worker leaned in and said "It's Sandra Day O'Connor, I'm pretty sure her check is good."

#15 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-07-10 12:39 AM | Reply

So their "sovereignty", is a sham. Why rule the way they did if the natives are Americans and not nation's in any real sense? Seems contradictory and kind of ---------- to me.

Having it both ways. Either they are Americans or they are not. This special status just gives the usurpers an out.

Real nationhood would be preferable.

#16 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-07-10 12:42 AM | Reply

"Either they are Americans or they are not."

Dual citizenship too much for you to process?

I literally just typed this in another thread:
Try pretending you can see nuance, it will help you pass as normal.

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-07-10 12:45 AM | Reply

Dual citizenship is pretty common amongst our ruling class of Congresscritters. What ?

#18 | Posted by mutant at 2020-07-10 01:01 AM | Reply

I meant to say unproportional vs. Our actual demographic spread in this nation*

If you are a racist and actually class us citizens by color , origin etc.

#19 | Posted by mutant at 2020-07-10 01:04 AM | Reply

Are the Nations independent of the US, or not?

Can they create their own government. If they can,it is dual citizenship, if they cannot,it is sham sovereignty, a word game only.

If they can create their own governments it would mean they could create their own currencies. They could tax their own citizens. The could create their own armed forces.
Anything less is not really being another nation at all. It's just BS.

#20 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-07-10 01:43 AM | Reply

Google the Marshall trilogy if you're interested in tribal sovereignty in the US. These were a series of SCOTUS rulings back in the 1800s.

Reservations are not independent of the US federal government. They are "domestic dependent nations, and while they are distinct independent political communities, they remain subject to the paternalistic powers of the United States."

The important thing is that reservations are sovereign from the states. It would be like Texas LEO enforcing law in Oklahoma. This is basically what the SCOTUS affirmed. However, the SCOTUS basically said Oklahoma has no jurisdiction within the reservation boundaries, which is basically half the state.

Apparently later is better than sooner. lol.

#21 | Posted by horstngraben at 2020-07-10 07:52 AM | Reply

#20 In 1871 the US House attached a rider to an appropriations bill ceasing to recognize Native American tribes as independent nations. This both followed and preceded a long history of treaties with Natives being broken by the United States.

One treaty gave a huge swath of land including the Black Hills to a group of tribes. When gold was discovered in thr Black Hills, the US unilaterally redrew the boundaries and stuck the tribes with farmland.

So yeah, if you're getting a sense that Natives are not truly independent nations it's because whenever it suits us the US has been treating them that way for over 150 years.

#22 | Posted by JOE at 2020-07-10 07:56 AM | Reply

the SCOTUS basically said Oklahoma has no jurisdiction within the reservation boundaries, which is basically half the state.

But only as to native on native crime, which is a very important distinction.

#23 | Posted by JOE at 2020-07-10 07:58 AM | Reply

Even native on non-native crime, the state has no jurisdiction if the crime occurred on the reservation. Tribal or federal officers make the arrest, and the case goes to federal court.

#24 | Posted by horstngraben at 2020-07-10 08:19 AM | Reply

One of my co-workers is Native American. His plan was to become a professional soccer player. When that didn't work out, he became a fighter pilot instead. The US government paid for his college via an ROTC scholarship, plus paid him an equal amount because he's NA. in OK, they get a ton of benefits. I don't think they would get the same if they were independent of the US.

#25 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-07-10 08:20 AM | Reply


I should add this can vary between reservations depending on agreements between tribal and non-tribal LEO. For example, on the reservation where I live, the local police can detain a tribal member but must be turned over to tribal police per the agreement between the tribe and local police.

#26 | Posted by horstngraben at 2020-07-10 08:27 AM | Reply

If they can create their own governments it would mean they could create their own currencies. They could tax their own citizens. The could create their own armed forces.

The tribe at issue in this case has ratified a constitution and established three separate branches of government; is led by a democratically elected Principal Chief, Second Chief, and National Council; operates a police force and three hospitals; commands an annual budget of more than $350 million; and employs over 2,000 people.

#27 | Posted by JOE at 2020-07-10 10:17 AM | Reply

Reminds of the time certain know-it-all's we're overlooking trumps abhorrent personal behavior and excusing the exploding deficit, because the supremez!

They sold their soul for nothing in return
Can't say they weren't warned

It's so humiliating they had to run away from what they then were so sure they had right


#28 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2020-07-10 11:03 AM | Reply


Maybe now we can get some of the roads fixed. The Native Americans have been treated so badly in Okiehomie for so long, its time they got some respect...

#29 | Posted by catdog at 2020-07-10 11:17 AM | Reply

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