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Friday, July 10, 2020

"Herd immunity" can happen once a large part of a population"say 70-90%"develops immunity to a disease. This generally happens by infection (conferring natural immunity) or vaccination. Herd immunity can help slow or stop a disease's spread, but many people may die before it happens.

It is currently unclear how herd immunity could happen for COVID-19. For example, the data are insufficient to show how much immunity infection confers, or whether it's enough to prevent re-infection. How long any immunity will last is also unknown. Related viruses confer some immunity after infection, but that immunity doesn't seem to last longer than a year.

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Herds are socialist

Ipso facto

Anti mask Trumpers are Socialists

#1 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2020-07-10 01:39 PM | Reply

People keep saying "herd immunity" without seeming to understand that on an individual basis you have to get the disease before you can become immune to the disease, and that herd immunity only kicks in when so many people have had the disease and recovered that there's no one left to transmit it to the few who never had it.

And this is why the death toll for US was estimated at 1.1 to 2.2 million, since it will take ~70% of us having it and either dying or recovering until there's no one contagious to spread it to the 30% who never got it.

#2 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-07-11 01:22 AM | Reply

More death,for nothing. There will be no herd immunity. The virus will keep mutating until it's less virulent or the hosts run out.

Being food and incubators for a tiny enemy is what humanity was created for. Get used to it

We are the ecosphere for the virus. It will win. agggggggggghhh,
the horror,the horror.

#3 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-07-11 02:23 AM | Reply

#3 We're already that for bacteria; your body has 10x more bacteria cells on/in it than your own cells.

#4 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-07-11 07:31 AM | Reply

@#2 ... People keep saying "herd immunity" without seeming to understand that on an individual basis you have to get the disease before you can become immune to the disease, and that herd immunity only kicks in when so many people have had the disease and recovered ...

From the cited article...

...A population can establish herd immunity to an infectious disease once a large enough portion of the population -- typically 70 to 90 percent -- develops immunity. Reaching this "herd immunity threshold" limits the likelihood that a non-immune person will be infected.

In general, immunity develops through either infection (resulting in natural immunity) or vaccination (resulting in vaccine-induced immunity). Herd immunity helps protect people not immune to a disease by reducing their chances of interacting with an infected individual. This process slows or stops the spread of the disease....


What concerns me about the vaccine path to immunity is that the CDC estimates 30 to 40% of the population are anti-vaxxers who will refuse to be vaccinated.

If that estimate is correct, the path to herd immunity will be a long and difficult one, if it is attainable at all.

#5 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-07-11 09:59 AM | Reply

-the CDC estimates 30 to 40% of the population are anti-vaxxers who will refuse to be vaccinated.

That estimate seems high.

#6 | Posted by eberly at 2020-07-11 10:02 AM | Reply

People keep saying "herd immunity" without seeming to understand that on an individual basis you have to get the disease before you can become immune to the disease, and that herd immunity only kicks in when so many people have had the disease and recovered that there's no one left to transmit it to the few who never had it.

Exactly.

It's not a solution, it's the end result.

If that estimate is correct, the path to herd immunity will be a long and difficult one, if it is attainable at all.
#5 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

It will be attainable, just after more people than necessary fall ill and have long term health effects or die.

It'll probably shake a few anti-vaxxers awake, though.

#7 | Posted by jpw at 2020-07-11 10:49 AM | Reply

That estimate seems high.

#6 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Those are the numbers I've read as well.

I don't think that that population contains just your traditional anti-vaxxers, though. There are a lot of people who have been fine with vaccine until this, that are either cautious about it because it's being "rushed" or is "new" or have bought into the ridiculous conspiracy nonsense floating around about it a la Bill Gates is microchipping everybody with the COVID vaccine.

#8 | Posted by jpw at 2020-07-11 10:51 AM | Reply

F it. The military will likely be some of the first folks to receive it, because medical requirements can't be objected to, so I'll let you all know how it feels ;)

#9 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2020-07-11 11:12 AM | Reply

Hopefully the new microchip doesn't interfere with my other household electronics.

#10 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2020-07-11 11:12 AM | Reply

-the CDC estimates 30 to 40% of the population are anti-vaxxers who will refuse to be vaccinated.
That estimate seems high.
#6 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Seems okay to me.

It's all 24% of Americans who voted for Trump, plus another 6% to 16%, drawn from the smattering of liberal elites in places like Marin County outside of San Francisco, and the 50% of Americans that don't vote.

#11 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-07-11 02:32 PM | Reply

From the "Covid Vaccination May Come too Soon" thread

"Some experts predict that a vaccine may be available for emergency use for the general public by the end of the year even before it receives expedited U.S. Food and Drug Administration approval"

There's good reason to be concerned. It doesn't mean people who refuse this coming vaccination are anti-vaxxers. But don't let me get in the way of your labeling people.

#12 | Posted by zetaleph at 2020-07-11 02:47 PM | Reply

Hopefully the new microchip doesn't interfere with my other household electronics.

#10 | POSTED BY GONOLES92

Interfere with? It has to tie in with them for Gates to know where you are at all times!

Just don't be freaked out when you sit down at a random computer and your gmail is already logged in and your porn hub saved list is already there...

#13 | Posted by jpw at 2020-07-11 03:51 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

It doesn't mean people who refuse this coming vaccination are anti-vaxxers. But don't let me get in the way of your labeling people.

#12 | POSTED BY ZETALEPH

I don't think anybody did...

The numbers seem to indicate the "no" column is you standard anti-vaxxers who would refuse anything as well as those who are hesitant about the rapid development of this vaccine.

#14 | Posted by jpw at 2020-07-11 03:56 PM | Reply

It has to tie in with them for Gates to know where you are at all times! - JPW

I was recently upgraded to the whole suite of MSFT Teams/360 offerings, so an all encompassing life managed via Microsoft applications, empowered with algorithms and sprinklings of predictive AI, has me shook right now.

#15 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2020-07-11 04:31 PM | Reply

Imagining the microchip's NFC tag pinging off of nearby devices to alert you on new push notifications:

*is this tinnitus?* Oh no, just a calendar notification of a Teams call in 30 minutes, with pre-meeting notes in Delve."

Fml

#16 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2020-07-11 05:00 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

empowered with algorithms and sprinklings of predictive AI, has me shook right now.

#15 | POSTED BY GONOLES92

I run macs and have the same issues.

My tablet knows what my laptop is doing while both know what my phone has done and my work desktop is doing...

Nice thing, though, is I can access my calendar from any of my devices and receive the alerts from any of them as well.

#17 | Posted by jpw at 2020-07-11 06:52 PM | Reply

The rest of nature is hoping for eventual herd immunity from humans.

#18 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2020-07-13 11:56 AM | Reply

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