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Monday, July 13, 2020

According to initial data reported by the NYC Department of Health and Mental Hygiene, no one died from the virus in New York City on July 11. Officials recorded no confirmed deaths the day before as well, but did have two probable deaths.

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Major congratulations to New York City, and actually, the entire New York City region.

But let's not take that victory lap just yet. The battle was won, the war is still being fought.

With the virus raging on around the Country, it is quite possible for it to find a path back to the region. Indeed, there are some signs in the numbers that indicate a possible resurgence. On the local evening news, I've been hearing cautions by local Governors that there may need to be some further closings if the numbers continue to degrade.

#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-07-13 10:18 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Glad to hear that New York is learning how to adapt to the virus.

Seems like a lot of Red States have to make their own mistakes. They probably won't learn from them though since that would require them to use those critical thinking skills that they vilify.

#2 | Posted by censored at 2020-07-13 11:01 AM | Reply

They probably won't learn from them though

Of course not...they know better than those stupid DuMBoCraTs!

Sadly they'll do tons of damage to their communities out of sheer partisanship.

#3 | Posted by jpw at 2020-07-13 11:03 AM | Reply

I think we learned to protect the vulnerable. Too bad the genius' in NY had to decimate nursing homes to learn this obvious fact.

#4 | Posted by visitor_ at 2020-07-13 11:19 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

#4

Sith Lord Herman Cains force ghost disagrees

#5 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2020-07-13 11:26 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I think we learned to protect the vulnerable. Too bad the genius' in NY had to decimate nursing homes to learn this obvious fact.

#4 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

Idiots still throwing this around as if they understand what they're talking about instead of regurgitating what they some rightwing talking head say.

#6 | Posted by jpw at 2020-07-13 11:27 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

@#4 ... Too bad the genius' in NY had to decimate nursing homes to learn this obvious fact. ...

Even if what you say were true...

What does it say about the Governors of the states currently being hit hard by COVID-19? Governors who not only ignored, but even actively worked against the best practices that were found to work by the states hit early by the virus.

The failed attempt of your comment to try to deflect blame actually makes the states being hit hard look worse.


#7 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-07-13 11:33 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Too bad the genius' in NY had to decimate nursing homes to learn this obvious fact.

#4 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

Yup. Too bad

Too bad there is no leadership in the White House that knows what to do and to help the states avoid deadly mistakes like those.

Too bad 200,000 will have to die for Trumpy's economy before Trumptilians realize there is a negligent criminal in the White House.

Yup. Except...

Too bad they will never realize that. Until someone close them dies. Or when they are dying.

But by then, of course, it's too late to apologize.

#8 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-07-13 11:34 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Curve was bent. Time to get back to work. Ridiculous to think the economy could be shut down indefinitely.

#9 | Posted by visitor_ at 2020-07-13 12:37 PM | Reply

I think we learned to protect the vulnerable. Too bad the genius' in NY had to decimate nursing homes to learn this obvious fact.

#4 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

Funny you mention that...

Nursing home deaths as a percentage are higher in Texas and Florida than New York.

Apparently all the precautions they took when transferring patients to nursing homes actually SAVED LIVES.

But hey, when have you let facts get in the way of your idiotic opinion?

#10 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-07-13 12:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

One of the reasons that Cuomo wanted nursing homes to take back Covid-19 that hospitals deemed were well enough to release was so that there would be enough hospitals beds for new patients needing treatment. He was afraid that hospitals would be overwhelmed otherwise. I hope that the states that are recording surges in the virus and are seeing their hospital beds fill up are taking the necessary steps to increase capacity. Otherwise, the problem in those states will be that the elderly who contract the virus will have nowhere to go for treatment and will have to stay put in their own homes or in the nursing homes where they currently live.

#11 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-07-13 12:44 PM | Reply

More nursing home deaths in Texas and Florida than New York? Please provide link.

#12 | Posted by visitor_ at 2020-07-13 12:44 PM | Reply

NYC Sees Uptick Among Young
www.bloomberg.com

...New York City will redouble efforts to educate young people about the importance of wearing masks and keeping socially distant after a rise in cases among those ages 20-29.

While the city is celebrating its first day of no deaths from Covid-19 since the outbreak, and its hospitalization and positivity rates are stable, it sees a troubling pattern as the phased reopening of the most populous U.S. city lures people out of their homes. Cases among those 30-39 also are seeing some increases, but not as much as the younger set, Mayor Bill de Blasio said Monday at a press briefing.

"We're going to double down and make sure that younger adults really follow precautions," the mayor said. "We need to remind them that they are not impervious."

De Blasio also urged President Donald Trump to invoke the Defense Production Act now to make sure all states get the supplies they need to battle the virus....



#13 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-07-13 12:55 PM | Reply

More nursing home deaths in Texas and Florida than New York? Please provide link.

#12 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

As a percentage of total deaths? Yep! (You can read, right? I didn't say total deaths.)

Google it dummy. The numbers are posted.

Texas: 33%
1,000 Nursing home deaths in Texas with just over 3,000 COVID-19 Deaths. (July, 2020)
www.dshs.texas.gov

Florida: 45%
1,500 nursing home deaths in Florida. (by mid-June)
www.sun-sentinel.com

New York: 20%
About 6,200 nursing home deaths in New York with 32,000 COVID-19 deaths. (July 12, 2020)
www.nytimes.com

Remember, Texas and Florida don't do "Presumed Coroanvirus Deaths" so it could be substantially higher in both states.

The difference? New York had stringent requirements for Nursing Homes taking COVID-19 patients.

#14 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-07-13 02:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I did google it but foolishly only looked as numbers from reliable sources like the CDC. If you take the rate as percentage of the inverse of relative humidity it's even worse. (My way of say your numbers are garbage, cause ya basic)

#15 | Posted by visitor_ at 2020-07-13 02:15 PM | Reply

My way of say your numbers are garbage, cause ya basic)

#15 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

Because they don't say what you want them to say...

Face it, red staters have walked right into the mine field NYC told them was there.

And there's nobody to blame but themselves.

#16 | Posted by jpw at 2020-07-13 02:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Remember, Texas and Florida don't do "Presumed Coroanvirus Deaths" so it could be substantially higher in both states.

Was reading today that Houston FD has already reported significant increases in people dying before EMS can transport to hospital.

Also, in true Trumpian fashion, that they're not testing everybody who dies of a suspected case of COVID so the numbers are probably low balling reality.

#17 | Posted by jpw at 2020-07-13 02:56 PM | Reply

NYC Sees Uptick Among Young

DeVos, Trump and GOP: Open The Schools!

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-07-13 03:23 PM | Reply

Because they don't say what you want them to say...

That and also mostly because it's a meaningless metric, which you would understand if you weren't so basic.

#19 | Posted by visitor_ at 2020-07-13 03:45 PM | Reply

Curve was bent. Time to get back to work. Ridiculous to think the economy could be shut down indefinitely.

#9 | POSTED BY comrade VISITOR_

Curve was flattened, but now due to non-mask wearing morons like yourself it's going straight up, especially in your red -------- states with Trump ------- governors.

#20 | Posted by a_monson at 2020-07-13 04:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Curve was bent. Time to get back to work. Ridiculous to think the economy could be shut down indefinitely.

#9 | POSTED BY comrade VISITOR_

Curve was flattened, but now due to non-mask wearing morons like yourself it's going straight up, especially in your red -------- states with Trump ------- governors.

#21 | Posted by a_monson at 2020-07-13 04:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

That and also mostly because it's a meaningless metric, which you would understand if you weren't so basic.
#19 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

The number of deaths is a meaningless metric?

This conversation was in response to your bringing up deaths in nursing homes.

And now that your statement has been shown to be the usual pile of hot garbage we expect from you, you're whining about poor metrics.

#22 | Posted by jpw at 2020-07-13 04:24 PM | Reply

#5 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses

Any news on Hermie? Hate to see him get wiped out by a hoax.

#23 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2020-07-13 05:15 PM | Reply

Curve was bent. Time to get back to work. Ridiculous to think the economy could be shut down indefinitely.

#9 | POSTED BY comrade VISITOR_

And some morons thought that meant we were good to go... So the curve flattened and we were and not it has reverted to straight up.

I remember other good ones like the heat will kill it.

Understand what they did in Europe and how they are doing, except for a couple pariah states like Sweden... I know the link is a couple weeks old now and of course we are that much worse off... Amazing how they actually had a true wave and we just flattened the curve some....

#24 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2020-07-13 05:21 PM | Reply

Odds of surviving COVID in Texas or Florida in July of 2020 are better than they were in New York, New Jersey in April.

#25 | Posted by visitor_ at 2020-07-13 05:51 PM | Reply

I did google it but foolishly only looked as numbers from reliable sources like the CDC. If you take the rate as percentage of the inverse of relative humidity it's even worse. (My way of say your numbers are garbage, cause ya basic)

#15 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

I get it.

You don't have any numbers to back you up or dispute what I posted. I was right and you were wrong. The math doesn't lie.

So you whine like a little cry baby Trumper.

Go play in the corner, the adults are talking.

#26 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-07-13 06:10 PM | Reply

Odds of surviving COVID in Texas or Florida in July of 2020 are better than they were in New York, New Jersey in April.

#25 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

Oh gosh gee!

Such a good point!

The odds of survival after months of research, testing, and figuring out what works to save lives is better now than in April!

Who would have thought?!?!?!

Such a genius you are, Visitor_. Have you called Fauci to tell him of your amazing findings? Did they give you an honorary medical degree yet?

All hail the great and wise, Visitor_!

#27 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-07-13 06:13 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

DeSantis just announced a 12,264 spike in the last 24 hours. That's the second highest number on record for Florida.

DeSantis called it a step in the right direction.

#28 | Posted by Twinpac at 2020-07-13 06:22 PM | Reply | Funny: 4

We're so ------.

#29 | Posted by YAV at 2020-07-13 06:43 PM | Reply

By your own numbers six times as many nursing home patients have died in New York than Texas or Florida.

#30 | Posted by visitor_ at 2020-07-13 06:46 PM | Reply

You don't have any numbers to back you up or dispute what I posted. I was right and you were wrong. The math doesn't lie.

Your numbers may be accurate but they're meaningless. Go to the CDC site and compare normalized values and try to spin that New York/New Jersey have better results than Texas/Florida.

#31 | Posted by visitor_ at 2020-07-13 06:49 PM | Reply

The CDC is a government agency

Ergo

It can't be trusted and is part of a child slave trade agreement with the Galaxion deep state run by Deeezle Soros and a Michelle Obama clone

- - Trump/GOP/libertarian/QAnon handbook

#32 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2020-07-13 09:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

New York has nearly 10 times the per capita death count as Florida.

#33 | Posted by zetaleph at 2020-07-13 09:22 PM | Reply

Why are you folks talking about New York and New Jersey in a retrospective way as if applying what we know today to the past justifies the missed opportunities of today?

New York has New York City. Entirely different population than Florida - anywhere in Florida.
New York got hit early on - with no defenses like today's drug therapies.
The differences between what we know now and what we knew then is huge.

Florida knew what was coming and arrogant and stupidly thought it wouldn't hit them. Right-wingers were convinced the heat of summer would cause the virus to "burn out" at the same time denouncing it as not serious, or even "fake news."

This is ridiculous. New York buckled down and they're doing the hard work and it is paying off, after paying a terrible toll early on. What we learned from their experience we should be thanking them for, and celebrating that they've had no deaths due to COVID-19.

#34 | Posted by YAV at 2020-07-13 09:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

*population - - > population density

#35 | Posted by YAV at 2020-07-13 09:36 PM | Reply

10 times the per capita deaths is a huge difference. Pretty difficult to explain away THAT much of a disparity.

#36 | Posted by zetaleph at 2020-07-13 09:49 PM | Reply

New York has nearly 10 times the per capita death count as Florida.
#33 | POSTED BY ZETALEPH

First of all, there's practically no need to make a "per capita" adjustment when New York has 19.45 million people and Florida has 21.48 million; and it's also not really possible to do so, since FL deliberately under-counts deaths for partisan political purposes, e.g.
Florida medical examiners were releasing coronavirus death data. The state made them stop.
When the medical examiners' list was available, it showed more deaths than the state's count.
www.tampabay.com

Second of all, Not for long!
Just eyeballing it, I'd guess Florida will catch up to New York's death toll around Labor Day. The roughly tripling in the number of active cases per day that started mid-June is just now becoming an uptick in the deaths per day.

Total Cases
New York 428,303
Florida 282,435
So, New York has 8x more deaths, but only 1.5 more cases...

Daily New Cases, July 12
New York 665
Florida 12,642
So Florida is getting new cases as 20x the rate of New York.

#37 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-07-13 09:50 PM | Reply

"Pretty difficult to explain away THAT much of a disparity."

Time explains it.
I suppose a highly advanced Tralfamadorian such as yourself has no use for such a concept.

#38 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-07-13 09:54 PM | Reply

Time explains it.

It really does.

New York positive cases took off March 17th.
Florida positive cases took off around June 17th.

Give it three months.

Zeta reminds me of that sockpuppet STC. That poster kept calling me wrong when I told him to expect the deaths in Florida to start rising23 days after my June 19th post. I missed it by a day. Not rocket science, just add the average lag time to the reported positive tests increase. Even laid it out for him.

#39 | Posted by YAV at 2020-07-13 10:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Hey STC - Welcome back!
Weren't you kicked off this site for being a POS?
Can't stay away?
New account already?
Haven't learned a thing?
LMAO!

#42 | Posted by YAV at 2020-07-13 10:51 PM | Reply

I never said they'd be what the early state numbers were. In fact, I told you why they wouldn't be. I reiterated those reasons in #34 on this thread. I've said the same on the nooner. I am consistent.

You're here again, lying, mischaracterizing what I said, all because you can't argue with fact. Your partisanship invalidates your arguments. Worst than adding nothing to this discussion you misinform and do damage.

#44 | Posted by YAV at 2020-07-13 10:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You continue to obfuscate.

Enjoy your short time here.

#45 | Posted by YAV at 2020-07-13 10:57 PM | Reply

hoping and praying for red state deaths

I wish you'd stop projecting the way you view things on me. It's untrue and says so much more about you than me.

#46 | Posted by YAV at 2020-07-13 10:59 PM | Reply

"The goal always was to flatten the curve. That is what FL did"

Did? Like it's over and done, worrying about Coronavirus is no more?

Because now, the curve is going up.

Why y'all ain't tryna flatten that one?

#48 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-07-14 12:27 AM | Reply

A key factor in Covid 19 spread is population density. Therefore, comparing the population of Sweden to NY and pretending the two areas are interchangeable is meaningless:

Population Density and Surface Area in Sweden

Population density is recorded as 57.5 people per square mile (22.2 people per square kilometer) with a higher population density in the south than in the north. This density is spread over an area of 173,860 square miles (450,295 km ) of total surface area and ranks 159th in the world.

Largest Cities in Sweden

85% of the people living in Sweden live in urban areas, but most of these cities are very small (between 10,000 and 100,000 residents). The largest city by far is the capital city of Stockholm, with 2.35 million people in the greater metropolitan area, and around 1 million within the city limits. Stockholm is a very unique city in that it spans 14 islands along the southeast coast of the country.

worldpopulationreview.com

#49 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-07-14 12:36 AM | Reply

New York Area and Population Density

New York State has an overall population density of 421 people per square mile, with an area of 47,126 square miles. When most people think of New York, they immediately think of New York City, the largest city in the US.

New York City is also the most densely populated major city in the country. Nearly 43% of New York state's population live in the 305 square miles that comprise New York City. The next largest city in the state of New York is Buffalo, with just over 250,000 residents. This means New York City is over 33 times larger than the second largest city in New York. New York's state capital Albany is home to just under 100 thousand residents.

The most populated counties in New York are Kings County (2,648,771), Queens County (2,358,582), and New York County (1,664,727).

worldpopulationreview.com

#50 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-07-14 12:38 AM | Reply

I'm at a loss.

Did de Blasio send COVID-19 to STC's mother's nursing home or something?

It seems really personal; trolling the libs notwithstanding.

#51 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-07-14 12:48 AM | Reply

Odds of surviving COVID in Texas or Florida in July of 2020 are better than they were in New York, New Jersey in April.

#25 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

So this is the next stop on the ever shifting train of excuses for why the GOP ---- up that is the surge isn't such a big deal?

First it was "nobody is dying".

No that people are dying and hospitals are full it's "not as many people are dying as there were in NY".

Except the same argument applies-you're not accounting for time.

Check back next week and tell us what the next stop on the ---- Show Train of Excuses is when death rates are comparable to NY.

#52 | Posted by jpw at 2020-07-14 12:51 AM | Reply

New York has New York City. Entirely different population than Florida - anywhere in Florida.
New York got hit early on - with no defenses like today's drug therapies.
The differences between what we know now and what we knew then is huge.
Florida knew what was coming and arrogant and stupidly thought it wouldn't hit them. Right-wingers were convinced the heat of summer would cause the virus to "burn out" at the same time denouncing it as not serious, or even "fake news."
This is ridiculous. New York buckled down and they're doing the hard work and it is paying off, after paying a terrible toll early on. What we learned from their experience we should be thanking them for, and celebrating that they've had no deaths due to COVID-19.

#34 | POSTED BY YAV

That's all the right has left.

"Well, we're not as bad as X" is their only argument because it's even beginning to dawn on them what colossal ------- they are.

#53 | Posted by jpw at 2020-07-14 12:53 AM | Reply

10 times the per capita deaths is a huge difference. Pretty difficult to explain away THAT much of a disparity.

#36 | POSTED BY ZETALEPH

At what point in the curve are we comparing?

Because if you're talking peak for NYC but just past the upward inflection point for FL you're being dishonest or stupid.

#54 | Posted by jpw at 2020-07-14 12:54 AM | Reply

Also, talking about NY state as a single entity when it comes to the coronavirus is also misleading. There are areas of NY state where the number of Covid 19 cases is minimal in comparison to NYC and the surrounding areas of Long Island and Westchester county:

covid19tracker.health.ny.gov

This disparity in cases accounts for the rolling re-opening of NY state, with areas upstate reopening earlier than NYC.

#55 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-07-14 12:58 AM | Reply

#40 | POSTED BY STC_918

Yeah, lets compare a city with a density of 27,000 people per square mile with a country with a density of 63 people per square mile.

Their largest city, Stockholm, is still less than half of NYC at 13,000 people per square mile.

Welcome back, --------.

#56 | Posted by jpw at 2020-07-14 12:58 AM | Reply

#41 | POSTED BY STC_918

GFY -------.

Playing the same -------- games with the same retarded math.

#57 | Posted by jpw at 2020-07-14 12:59 AM | Reply

Outside of anecdotal evidence, no drug has really proven effective. What they know now is that you keep people off of ventilators as long as possible.

Remdesivir has undergone multiple trials in multiple countries.

Hardly "anecdotal evidence".

#58 | Posted by jpw at 2020-07-14 01:02 AM | Reply

The goal always was to flatten the curve. That is what FL did successful

Apparently you're unaware of the latest news.

12,000+ new cases a day isn't "flattening the curve".

Because GOP governors are ------- idiots who put partisan politics before science and medicine.

as did everywhere else outside of a couple of moronic blue state governors.

Who also happened to be the first places where community spread was occurring and had to learn on the fly with a complete absence of a competent federal response.

#59 | Posted by jpw at 2020-07-14 01:04 AM | Reply

#60 Areas of lower population density and farther proximity to NYC.

#61 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-07-14 01:23 AM | Reply

#60 Areas of lower population density and farther proximity to NYC.

#61 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

Don't bother.

It's no interested in accuracy, honesty or discussion.

#62 | Posted by jpw at 2020-07-14 01:26 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

San Francisco officials share dire COVID-19 projection for hospitalizations, deaths
Tuesday, July 14, 2020 2:42AM

abc7news.com

#64 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-07-14 08:01 AM | Reply

SF officials aren't bragging about their early successes. I don't think anyone should. Nor do I think anyone should be taking their current successes for granted.

#65 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-07-14 08:16 AM | Reply

The virus hasn't changed.
Relax mitigation efforts and you get bit.
It doesn't care what you believe, only what you do.

#66 | Posted by YAV at 2020-07-14 08:20 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#66 Yes, the virus is impervious to all of Trump's normal PR tricks. It doesn't responded to bullying, name-calling, scapegoating or lying about it.

#67 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-07-14 08:30 AM | Reply

The virus also doesn't care about anyone's gut instincts, wishful thinking, fake news, positive spin or purported hoaxes.

#68 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-07-14 08:36 AM | Reply

San Francisco is locking down again. So is LA. So is San Diego.

San Diego was one of the only SoCal cities that was considered "open" on the Fourth of July. Everyone and their mother from AZ and Los Angeles packed our beaches, no social distancing, few masks.

It was like this whole COVID thing was a hoax.

Whelp, we're closing down again. Thanks --------. We were doing good, model for the rest of the country until we weren't.

Take notice, STC.

#69 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-07-14 12:45 PM | Reply

Take notice, STC.

#69 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11

STC is too busy contemplating his own belly button to notice that New York actually beat back and defeated the virus.

Trumptilians like STC want to sacrifice our elderly our first responders and our teachers and surrender to it.

#70 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-07-14 12:56 PM | Reply

The administration orders hospitals to bypass the C.D.C. with key virus data, alarming health experts.

www.nytimes.com

Hey look, Bunker Bitch is trying to fudge the numbers of #TrumpBodyCount again.

#71 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2020-07-14 04:11 PM | Reply

Re: #72 No. STD can GFH.

#73 | Posted by hamburglar at 2020-07-14 07:03 PM | Reply

Yo Quan - I have no doubt your time is short.

#74 | Posted by YAV at 2020-07-14 07:06 PM | Reply

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