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Tuesday, July 14, 2020

The Trump administration has rescinded its policy that would bar international students who only take online courses from staying in the US, a federal judge announced Tuesday in Boston. The decision comes a little over a week after Immigration and Customs Enforcement announced that students at schools offering only online courses due to the coronavirus pandemic would need to either leave the US or transfer schools.

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Imagine that...

Just red meat for idiot Republicans until it comes face to face with reality and law.

#1 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-07-14 03:45 PM | Reply

One might ask why they need to be in the US if all their classes are online.

#2 | Posted by visitor_ at 2020-07-14 03:59 PM | Reply

Cause they spend their money in the local economies they reside in

Duh!

#3 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2020-07-14 04:04 PM | Reply

One might ask why they need to be in the US if all their classes are online.

#2 | POSTED BY VISITOR_ AT 2020-07-14 03:59 PM | REPLY | FLAG:EYE ROLL

Because the universities are buying time while trying to figure out how to justify the exorbitant tuition under the new normal. Only an idiot would pay Ivy league prices to sit at home. It's bad enough they charge textbook prices for thumb drive books.

#4 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2020-07-14 04:06 PM | Reply

So funny to see such a fat man with his tiny tail between his corpulent cheeks.

#5 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2020-07-14 04:18 PM | Reply

People at the White House admit that part of the rational for the original order was to try and convince universities to fully open with in-person classes. They felt that if the universities we in fear of losing that much revenue that they would reconsider holding only on-line classes. Apparently the White House thinks that every person in America is driven by the desire to maximize their cash flow and to add to their wealth, and that this will always be their final, overriding priority, sort of how their boss sees the world.

OCU

#6 | Posted by OCUser at 2020-07-14 04:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Actually I am wondering if universities will be needed at all.

If you consider that universities are designed to impart information from a particular person to a select group of people. Someone taking an online class can invite 8 people or more to sit in on classes. If you have the information why bother with a degree?

This is why we need younger people to run the country. Universities are old technology.

#7 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2020-07-14 04:23 PM | Reply

-If you have the information why bother with a degree?

Fair question...but...

Do you have at least a bachelor's degree?

#8 | Posted by eberly at 2020-07-14 04:34 PM | Reply

@#2 ... One might ask why they need to be in the US if all their classes are online. ...

www.bloomberg.com

...Harvard is conducting almost all its classes online in the fall semester, while MIT has a hybrid model.

The two said in a lawsuit filed last week that the government had failed to consider the harm to students from the new directive. They also noted the impact on businesses, pointing to the role foreign students play in American innovation, and on the U.S. gross domestic product, citing "the loss of the tens of billions of dollars that international students contribute to U.S. GDP each year."

They acknowledged that some students could, in theory, take part in online classes from their home countries, but not without serious disruption. They cited time zone differences, unreliable or state-managed Internet and armed conflict in some of the students' homelands....

#9 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-07-14 04:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-If you have the information why bother with a degree?

I'll bet your an armchair scientist, aren't ya? Probably an armchair lotta things...

#10 | Posted by horstngraben at 2020-07-14 04:58 PM | Reply

People at the White House admit that part of the rationale for the original order was to try and convince universities to fully open with in-person classes. They felt that if the universities we in fear of losing that much revenue that they would reconsider holding only on-line classes. [...] OCU

Idiot-in-chief must have been so conflicted. On the one hand he wants to hurt foreigners and universities. But on the other he doesn't want to tank the economy even further right before the election.

#11 | Posted by censored at 2020-07-14 05:11 PM | Reply

Good news, but it is my understanding that they are still leaving the rule in place for incoming students.

#12 | Posted by leftcoastlawyer at 2020-07-14 05:24 PM | Reply

#7 | POSTED BY RIGHTISTRITE

Some of the big schools allow non-enrolled students to take many of their offered courses without expectation of receiving college credit leading to a degree.

The information is absolutely being provided for FREE!

#13 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-07-14 06:10 PM | Reply

"Cause they spend their money in the local economies they reside in"

Maybe in bars and restaurants...those are being shut down.

I honestly don't know why an international student would want to stay in the US.

#14 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-07-15 12:15 AM | Reply

"I honestly don't know why an international student would want to stay in the US."

Well, they're halfway through a program, and they'd probably like to finish it, and it's probably not very doable to finish it from India or whatever.
But yes, I completely get what you are saying. I know someone from Spain affected by this; I might just go back to Spain
That being said, if the choices were going back to Saudi Arabia or staying here, I could see any one of us choosing "stay here."

#15 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-07-15 12:21 AM | Reply

"If you have the information why bother with a degree?"

You have, understandably, missed the point of a college education. It is not to teach you facts/information, that is grade school at its worst. College classes are there to teach you how to think critically. Facts are like the pieces of the engine, the tools and instruction set you need to put the engine together are what you should take out of college. Information is a necessary but insufficient side effect.

Attending classes in person and having a dialogue with the professors is entirely different than watching classes online and reading wikipedia.

#16 | Posted by dibblda at 2020-07-15 12:35 AM | Reply

"I honestly don't know why an international student would want to stay in the US."

1. Having to take afternoon classes at 2am
2. Possibly: poorer internet
3. Possibly: repressive government
4. Possibly: their life and friends are in the US
5. Personal contact with teachers and fellow students

"Maybe(they spend money) in bars and restaurants"

And live rent-free while walking around everywhere naked? Or do they pay rent, buy clothes and groceries, and use local transportation?

#17 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-07-15 01:01 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"College classes are there to teach you how to think critically."

There are two types college classes.
One where all the desks are a circle, and one where they're in straight lines.
None of the classes in my required classes for a science major were in a circle.
The circles were things like the Freshman Honors Seminar called "Constitutional Faith" and Women's Studies, Music History, and Film. Which I only took to fulfill my Alma Mater's arts and humanities requirement.

But here's the thing. The circle, that's the workplace equivalent of this thing everyone hates, called "meetings."
As you go up the career ladder, you'll spend more time in circles.
Funny how that works out.

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-07-15 01:34 AM | Reply

"Because the universities are buying time while trying to figure out how to justify the exorbitant tuition under the new normal.

There is some truth to what you say. No one wants to pay a $50,000 tuition to watch a Netflix documentary.

But have you ever taken a University level class?

They are not the same as 2year college classes. Or online classes.

Some professors are worth the money.

Being in a university lab is not the same as a 2 year college class. Or an online class.

And then there is the networking. It's really tough to network and have a cup a coffee after class and meet new people and open new possibilities.

Classes will need to be hybrid for a while. Precautions need to be taken. The schools should be used as training grounds to teach us how to combat the virus.

I will not be able to take my oceanography class all online. Some of it yes. But the labs are on a research vessel called the Coral Sea. And it's in the ocean. Where we do research.

www.hsumarinelab.org

#19 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-07-15 01:04 PM | Reply

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