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Tuesday, July 28, 2020

In regards to the Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon Task Force mentioned in Times, Gough confirms the Department of Defense "is creating a task force to gain knowledge and insight into the nature and origins of UAPs," as well as their "operations, capabilities, performance, and/or signatures." The mission, Gough says, "will be to detect, analyze, catalog, consolidate, and exploit non-traditional aerospace vehicles/UAPs posing an operational threat to U.S. national security and avoid strategic surprise." The Times report, and the anticipated public disclosure of findings from Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon Task Force, are the latest in encouraging recent developments surrounding UFO research.

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Bob Lazar would like all of you to focus on the term "exploit" in that sentence while taking into the probability that the U.S. government already has accomplished this goal.

#1 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-07-28 04:03 AM | Reply

... Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon Task Force ...

The use of the word "phenomenon" reminded me of this old Firesign Theater sketch (runtime 3 minutes)

Top Secret UFO Film - Beware of your Eggs!
www.youtube.com

#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-07-28 07:34 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

UFOs have always ben real. The problem is the definition of reality.

#3 | Posted by Zed at 2020-07-28 08:42 AM | Reply

We admire what the great anthropologist Margaret Mead said when asked long ago whether she believed in U.F.O.s. She called it "a silly question," writing in Redbook in 1974:

"Belief has to do with matters of faith; it has nothing to do with the kind of knowledge that is based on scientific inquiry. ... Do people believe in the sun or the moon, or the changing seasons, or the chairs they're sitting on? When we want to understand something strange, something previously unknown to anyone, we have to begin with an entirely different set of questions. What is it? How does it work?"

#4 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-07-28 12:22 PM | Reply

[O]ur latest article provided a more daunting set of challenges, since we dealt with the possible existence of retrieved materials from U.F.O.s. Going from data on a distant object in the sky to the possession of a retrieved one on the ground makes a leap that many find hard to accept and that clearly demands extraordinary evidence.

Numerous associates of the Pentagon program, with high security clearances and decades of involvement with official U.F.O. investigations, told us they were convinced such crashes have occurred, based on their access to classified information. But the retrieved materials themselves, and any data about them, are completely off-limits to anyone without clearances and a need to know.
www.nytimes.com

#5 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-07-28 12:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#4 ... What is it? How does it work?" ...

Which is why I have been posting here that I prefer to call them Unexplained Flying Objects.

What are they, and how do they do what they do?

#6 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-07-28 04:18 PM | Reply

What are they, and how do they do what they do?
#6 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

Bob Lazar has an answer, has stuck to that answer for more than 30 years without waver, and is being corroborated more and more as time moves on.

Something to consider, even if taking Bob Lazar's story into consideration is considered taboo.

#7 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-07-28 07:52 PM | Reply

The problem is the definition of reality.

#3 | POSTED BY ZED

That's no problem. Just invent an Alternative Reality and jump right in!

Fixed News is doing a pretty good job of it.

#8 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-07-29 01:19 PM | Reply

Also,of course, ufos are "real". Just because you can't identify a flying object (ufo) doesn't mean it is not "real". It means it is not identified. Yet. This has always been the case.

Now if it does turn out they are aliens there is nothing you or I could do about it because to get here from anywhere requires a level of technology that would be powerful enough to crush us like bugs.

To us their tech would be so advanced they would be like gods to us. So I suggest you don't shoot at them or piss them off or you might be assimilated and anally probed. I imagine tho that there are some people who would probably welcome that kind of attention in their boring useless lives.

#9 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-07-29 02:36 PM | Reply

"Now if it does turn out they are aliens there is nothing you or I could do about it because to get here from anywhere requires a level of technology that would be powerful enough to crush us like bugs."

I'm not convinced of that. Aztecs didn't exactly have technology to cross the oceans. Five hundred years later, America is still 1% "bugs."

#10 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-07-29 02:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I don't buy the argument that the public would freak out and not be able to absorb the truth if the government told us that yes, aliens have been in contact with earth. We would deal with the truth no matter what it might be. Maybe slowly, painfully and fearfully, but we would come to terms with it.

Which leads me to believe that if the government is not telling us it is not just because it would be such a freaky thing to learn. It would be because either these aliens are a threat, or there is some other 'twist' to the existence of these aliens that would make it imminently dangerous for all of us to know.

Further, unless there were that type of dangerously compelling reason, I believe some politician or whistle blower would have leaked the info to the public a long time ago.

The far more likely scientific possibility is that no, there are no aliens in contact with earth.

#11 | Posted by moder8 at 2020-07-29 02:57 PM | Reply

Boring. It's time to move on for me. How about aspartame or Building 7?

#12 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2020-07-30 10:58 AM | Reply

Five hundred years later, America is still 1% "bugs."

If you are ok with your ancestors end up being "bugs" for the aliens to study in their zoos that's fine with me. I kind of hope my ancestors do a bit better for themselves.

When they come I am not getting on the ship.

I read the book. It's a cook book.

#13 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-07-30 01:41 PM | Reply

Ha. I think "ancestors" did better. At least for me. I am still free. Sorta.

And like everyone I suppose.

I hope my "descendants" do better than me and do not become pets for them aliens.

#14 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-07-30 02:19 PM | Reply

#12

I suggest Smokestacks on the Moon.

#15 | Posted by leftcoastlawyer at 2020-07-30 02:20 PM | Reply

To us their tech would be so advanced they would be like gods to us. So I suggest you don't shoot at them or piss them off or you might be assimilated and anally probed.

For many religious folks, you're absolutely right.

For those of us who understand physics, we can theorize how an anti-gravitational device would need to operate in order to effectively create it's own gravitational field (which is the most likely method identified) within our current understanding of physics. It's not an impossibility in theory, yet an impossibility in practice since the energy it would take to create such a device would come from a yet to be identified material/element. It's not out of the question to consider an extraterrestrial civilization of having an advantageous circumstance beyond our own (i.e., Goldilocks zone, etc.) that would include having access to such a material/element.

Ultimately, that's what Bob Lazar is contending as speculation. The only evidence he points to is what he was provided at S-4. Eventually, Occam's Razor will catch up and support Lazar's story, IMO. At least, that's the path we seem to be on, currently.

I imagine tho that there are some people who would probably welcome that kind of attention in their boring useless lives.
#9 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

That would be me.

#16 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-07-30 02:44 PM | Reply

It would be because either these aliens are a threat, or there is some other 'twist' to the existence of these aliens that would make it imminently dangerous for all of us to know.

My thinking is that 'they' have been visiting (and potentially have some sort of permanent presence) Earth for a very, very long time. If that is acknowledged as truth, I believe that's when people will really freak out. It's one thing to consider that our current state of affairs will now change because of an acknowledgment that extra terrestrials have finally found us. It's totally different to consider our entire history of understanding is simply surface material and an entire underlying truth about our own existence on this planet is now available. That's the sort of thing that leads to undermining of institutions and religions, some of the largest of which do have considerable influence of government and politics.

Further, unless there were that type of dangerously compelling reason, I believe some politician or whistle blower would have leaked the info to the public a long time ago.

I used to agree with you, until I found out about all of the informal whistle blowers that have stepped forward (governmental, political, and military) not just in our country, but in most of our Allied countries as well. I understand governments of third world countries don't have nearly the credibility as the U.S. or Britain or even Canada, but they too have been very public about their encounters with these craft. I call them informal because there is no whistle blower process for this topic. At least there hadn't been, maybe there is one now considering the U.S. government refused to even acknowledge the existence of craft that could outperform the most expensive of military aircraft. Now that the Navy has acknowledged these craft, maybe there is also a whistle blower system set up. (This explains the current thread's title.)

I'm not sure. What I am sure of is the fact that dozens, maybe hundreds of former military and political personnel have stepped forward. Some media has covered it, most have not. In fact, the biggest media presence for one of these unofficial disclosure events took place just months before 9/11. The topic was trending at that time and then the most significant event in my lifetime took place. And war followed, lending a convenient out to major profits for media.

The stories are amazingly consistent. And these people are generally unimpeachable; I say that more in line with the folks who have not sought to profit off this topic or their knowledge. Some have gone out on the speaking tours and made a career of it, which are the folks I'm skeptical of. The others, they have no reason to risk their future, post-military careers to bring attention to this topic. Yet, here they are:
www.youtube.com
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#17 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-07-30 03:18 PM | Reply

The far more likely scientific possibility is that no, there are no aliens in contact with earth.
#11 | POSTED BY MODER8

Based on our current understanding of physics, you're absolutely correct.

Yet, this may be the very reason to believe we are behind the curve as it relates to physics.

My #17 was aimed at your post as well.

#18 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-07-30 03:20 PM | Reply

"For those of us who understand physics, we can theorize how an anti-gravitational device would need to operate in order to effectively create it's own gravitational field (which is the most likely method identified) within our current understanding of physics. "

That's nice. But how is an antigravity machine gonna help you cross the vast distances between solar systems even within our galaxy? Assuming they are from within our galaxy. Or any galaxy in our universe.

If they are smart enough to cross such distances in space and time they will crush us like a bug.

Because once they see how violent a species we are they will be smart enough to know better than to let us live or get anywhere near their homeworld.

#19 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-07-30 03:38 PM | Reply

That's nice. But how is an antigravity machine gonna help you cross the vast distances between solar systems even within our galaxy?

"Ordinary matter atoms fall down due to the pull of gravity, but the same might not be true of antimatter, which has the same mass as matter, but opposite charge and spin. Scientists wondered whether antimatter atoms would instead fall up when pulled by gravity, and whether such a thing as antigravity exists."
www.livescience.com

With that initiated context, please watch this:

Antimatter Propulsion - Ryan Weed, CEO of Positron Dynamics
Positron Dynamics is out to make space travel to distant stars a reality using antimatter. Antimatter is the most energy-dense material known. Positrons are the easiest form of antimatter to produce. With physics that is understood today, any hopes of traveling beyond the edge of the Solar System can only be realized with antimatter. To get there, our first steps lie in Earth's orbit.

www.youtube.com

If they are smart enough to cross such distances in space and time they will crush us like a bug.
#19 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

I posit that they are benevolent, or simply curious about us. They have been here a long time and watched us destroy our selves over and over. Yet, have barely even made themselves apparent to our visual senses. To me, that explains volumes in terms of their intent. I believe they are observing us in the same vein we observe a colony of ants. Yes, we could fly across oceans to find and absolutely obliterate an ant colony. But if we don't have a specific, self-interest based reasoning to do so, why would we? And typically, we don't. Hence, safe to at least imagine a parallel thought process for them, should that be the truth of the matter.

#20 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-07-30 03:59 PM | Reply

There are scientists who make whole careers off of studying ants, modeling their underground nests(?). That is a great comparison.

#21 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2020-07-30 04:01 PM | Reply

"posing an operational threat to U.S. national security"

What threat is he referring to?

#22 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-07-30 04:52 PM | Reply

"I don't buy the argument that the public would freak out and not be able to absorb the truth if the government told us that yes, aliens have been in contact with earth. We would deal with the truth no matter what it might be. Maybe slowly, painfully and fearfully, but we would come to terms with it."

We can't even get people to wear masks ffs.

#23 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2020-07-30 04:52 PM | Reply

#21 Yeah, they pour liquid silver down into the nest, let it set, and then dig it up - a perfect replica of an ant nest, tunnels and all, every chamber in silver.

They look pretty cool, too.

#24 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2020-07-30 08:30 PM | Reply

"I posit that they are benevolent, or simply curious about us. "

If we are lucky. If you want to depend on luck.

As we become more aware of them Close encounters will occur more often as our technology approaches theirs. And accidents will happen. We can already see them with our sensors and even film them. It's only a matter of time (and space).

If there is one alien there are most likely many. Will all of them be benevolent? No bad apples spoiling the bunch?

So it will probably depend on which alien species we encountered first.

Also never discount the stupidity of Man and his ability to screw things up.

As for ants. Go ahead and try to kill them all. I don't think we have the technology to do it. They outnumber us and out weigh us and are probably even more powerful than us. If we tried to kill them all we would end up killing ourselves in the process.

Aliens wouldn't have that problem. And they might want our resources. Maybe not now. But eventually. Our planet is pretty valuable in the scheme of things. Capturing our planet would boost someone's resources tremendously.

The possibility of our destruction or assimilation if we encounter a superior species with superior tech is very high.

I just would say that the odds are not in our favor in that particular hunger game. Should it occur. When it occurs.

#25 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-07-31 10:31 AM | Reply

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