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Thursday, July 30, 2020

US gross domestic product fell at a record 33% annualized rate in the first quarter, according to Commerce Department figures released Thursday.

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Naw, no need to worry about all these lazy Americans unwilling to go back to work to get paid less than their unemployment benefits. Nothing to see here, move along everybody. Just pump a few more trillions into the markets and everything will get back to normal. Let's take money more money out of the economy, how much worse can it get? We just can't afford to support all these lazy goldbrickers.

On a related note, another 1.43 million freeloaders filed for unemployment benefits this week.

Let 'em eat olives.

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-07-30 08:43 AM | Reply

I couldn't believe anything could be worse than watching the Bushturd2 meltdown. This is worse. To cap it off republicl0wn attitude is worse now than it was then.

#2 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2020-07-30 01:45 PM | Reply

Bunker Bitch's handling of the economy is every bit as putrid as his response to the TrumpVirus.

#3 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2020-07-30 02:21 PM | Reply

How's that "V" shaped recovery coming along?

#4 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2020-07-30 02:25 PM | Reply

If you wanted to know why, in the face of this pandemic, we would re-open our economy.

This is why.

I'm not justifying the re-opening of the economy. Rather, pointing out where the pressure is really coming from.

Consecutive quarters with this performance is catastrophic.

#5 | Posted by eberly at 2020-07-30 02:29 PM | Reply

#5 | POSTED BY EBERLY

I'm pretty sure the harm to the economy was what was on everyone's minds when we initially shut down. What else were people worried about? Clearly, it wasn't getting sick.

#6 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-07-30 02:33 PM | Reply

As we've been saying all along, had EVERYBODY shut down and stayed home everywhere in the country for six weeks, then reopened slowly while stressing mask wearing, hand washing and social distancing, things would be MUCH better with the economy and there wouldn't be 150k dead Americans, but then Drumpf could never see past his reelection bid, and isn't smart enough to understand that the country's public health, the good of the country would have been good for his reelection. Had he been more concerned for the general public, he'd be at least close to winning reelection, but if that were the case, he'd be a Democrat.

#7 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2020-07-30 02:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

6

You're saying "everyone" understood we were protecting the economy when we choose to temporarily kill it?

No, I don't think very many people understood that to be what we were doing.

They believed it was to keep too many people getting sick at once and overwhelming our health care system.


#8 | Posted by eberly at 2020-07-30 02:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#5

Shutting down the economy was only one part of slowing the CV and we did not do any of the other things necessary which allowed most other nations to reopen.

And closing the economy again will only offer a temporary respite unless we take all the other steps widely publicized.

As had been said repeatedly, the pandemic is a health crisis that threatens the economy, not an economic crisis seeking an independent remedy. Take care of the virus and doing so will take care of the economy.

#9 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-07-30 02:41 PM | Reply

Consecutive quarters with this performance is catastrophic.

#5 | Posted by eberly

So why isn't your party trying to stop the pandemic?

#10 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-07-30 02:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If you wanted to know why, in the face of this pandemic, we would re-open our economy.
This is why.
I'm not justifying the re-opening of the economy. Rather, pointing out where the pressure is really coming from.
Consecutive quarters with this performance is catastrophic.
#5 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Meanwhile, in a country not run by a Republican:
Germany's economy posts its largest decline since 1970 with GDP shrinking 10% in Q2
markets.businessinsider.com

#11 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-07-30 02:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Tony, just so we are clear....the other steps?

#12 | Posted by eberly at 2020-07-30 02:46 PM | Reply

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I don't know.

#13 | Posted by eberly at 2020-07-30 02:47 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

-Not sure where you are getting that, the article says nothing about a February recession.
I also don't see where they said we contracted 37% either.
They said it's likely we will be down 5% for the year.....
#16 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2020-07-20 04:07 PM
drudge.com

Maybe Eberly sees it now?

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-07-30 02:52 PM | Reply

I'm not justifying the re-opening of the economy. Rather, pointing out where the pressure is really coming from.
Consecutive quarters with this performance is catastrophic.
#5 | POSTED BY EBERLY

So why isn't your party trying to stop the pandemic?
#10 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

10
I don't know.
#13 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Ummm...
You know why.
You just said why.
It's because your party would rather re-open the economy.

#15 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-07-30 02:54 PM | Reply

So why isn't your party trying to stop the pandemic?
#10 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

I don't know.
#13 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Yes, you do. You just don't want to admit it to yourself and everyone else.

#16 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-07-30 02:55 PM | Reply

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Oh, well, then thanks for the diagnosis.

#17 | Posted by eberly at 2020-07-30 02:59 PM | Reply

"This is why."

Absent temporarily nationalizing the payroll and a nation-wide stay at home order, yeah.

#18 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2020-07-30 03:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Thanks Trump and GOnP'ers!

#19 | Posted by a_monson at 2020-07-30 03:03 PM | Reply

10

I don't know.

#13 | Posted by eberly

You DO know - because all your party stands for anymore is opposing dems on everything no matter what it is, even if it's saving the country from a pandemic.

But you'll keep voting for them, despite this horrible demonstration of their true leadership and management skills.

#20 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-07-30 03:05 PM | Reply

Ebs, it's endemic of where we are that you have to ask that question. We needed to do what the South Koreans and other countries that crushed the curve did.

The only way to stop the spread of the virus is to absolutely minimize contact between people, stopping all but essential business and having everyone else shelter at home. And once you do that, you have to have comprehensive testing and monitoring timely enough that when new infections show up you immediately place that person into isolation and identify and quarantine those who came in contact with that person.

Once you get consistent testing results showing numbers below R1, you can slowly begin to reopen non-essential commerce outside of activities which would place large numbers of people into confined spaces sharing a limited or recirculated air supply. Outside of one's home or isolation pod (the group of people that you shelter with) mask wearing would be mandatory if you come in close contact with any other people or always when indoors.

Then you slowly work from there until an actual remedy or vaccine becomes available because all it takes is one superspreader to blow up all that's been done and start another explosion of infections. But when embers do flare, you have to immediately respond to them up to localized shut downs. Most of all you let the viral experts call the shots, not the politicians. The role of the politicians is to provide everyone with the means to survive the shutdown by whatever governmental subsidies that are needed, but you don't let the cost of doing these things override that they must be done to limit the economic damage in the first place.

#21 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-07-30 03:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"But you'll keep voting for them"

Yes, but you don't understand why.

#22 | Posted by eberly at 2020-07-30 03:06 PM | Reply

"Ebs, it's endemic of where we are that you have to ask that question. We needed to do what the South Koreans and other countries that crushed the curve did."

That's why I asked.

Unfortunately, it's going to have to happen this way in order to move forward.

Go back to the beginning, re-explain why it's essential to implement these steps, recognize we didn't do this originally, tie that into the results we are experiencing currently, and make it mandatory these steps are followed moving forward.

With actual consequences for those that refuse to comply. Get enough folks to buy into this in order to marginalize the ---- out of the folks who refuse to comply.

#23 | Posted by eberly at 2020-07-30 03:10 PM | Reply

Yes, but you don't understand why.

#22 | Posted by eberly

Sure I do. Because after all the corruption and incompetence you've supported them through, you're in too deep to bail now, because it would show how stubborn and gullible you've been for years. All you can do is keep supporting them no matter how much damage they do to you and the country.

So you hide behind pathetic fake fig leaves like "dems would be worse"

#24 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-07-30 03:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Sure I do."

No, you don't. The rest of that tripe wasn't worth responding to.

You simply don't have the intellectual capacity to process the reason.

#25 | Posted by eberly at 2020-07-30 03:16 PM | Reply

They believed it was to keep too many people getting sick at once and overwhelming our health care system.
#8 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Not that everyone is NOT an idiot, but it was pretty clear to most folks that 'closing down' would have a direct, negative impact on the economy. You really think people were oblivious to this?

#26 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-07-30 03:27 PM | Reply

Unfortunately, it's going to have to happen this way in order to move forward.

It's unlikely to happen until Trump leaves office because his one-track mind is incapable of understanding the role of testing. Testing isn't about "numbers" it's about being able to identify as many cases of infection as possible and then responding accordingly to the other steps above.

That is why we need much more testing - and retesting. Any test is only a snapshot of that moment. A person could encounter and become infected minutes after testing negative if they're exposed to the virus, so that first test then becomes meaningless.

And we need rapid test results that allow for contact tracing. Getting results days or weeks later makes that test irrelevant when asymptomatic or presymptomatic transmission of the virus is likely the reason so many continue to become infected. In all these months, I've never encountered another person in public wildly coughing or sneezing, but I'm fairly sure I've encountered folks shedding the virus silently, though my filtered mask and distancing has protected me so far.

Testing and masks could have saved untold thousands of lives with little sacrifice, but our President could not then, and will not now comprehend that. So more of our fellow citizens will continue to get sick and many more will die.

#27 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-07-30 03:28 PM | Reply

-You really think people were oblivious to this?

I absolutely do. Most people don't view how the Pandemic and the economy are tied together. They view them as mutually exclusive phenomenon.

we had to harm the economy to save it? Most people can't process that.

#28 | Posted by eberly at 2020-07-30 03:33 PM | Reply

No, you don't. The rest of that tripe wasn't worth responding to.

You simply don't have the intellectual capacity to process the reason.

#25 | Posted by eberly

Try me. Tell me the reason you'd keep supporting a party that has become the cult of a sociopathic con man, while their horrible mismanagement gets thousands of people killed, other than a fake "dems would be worse" lie or something about a marxist boogeyman.

Let's see if my tiny brain could handle it.

#29 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-07-30 03:34 PM | Reply

we had to harm the economy to save it? Most people can't process that.

#28 | Posted by eberly

Most people in THE STUPID PARTY can't process that. Just like they can't process that we need to spend more on energy to keep from destroying the planet. It's time to stop voting for the party which is too stupid to comprehend complex problems dont you think?

#30 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-07-30 03:35 PM | Reply

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I've explained it before, and yet here we are where you are asking to have it explained to you.

Are you sure you want to hear this? Did you not understand it when I clearly explained it before?

Do you want to learn? Or just troll me?

#31 | Posted by eberly at 2020-07-30 03:36 PM | Reply

-That is why we need much more testing - and retesting.

I know so many people who have been exposed to a person who tested positive and they can't get tested because they don't currently have symptoms.

My daughter's (college)roommates tested positive.

She lied and made up symptoms to get tested before she came home to self-quarantine. She tested negative but she couldn't have even been tested once to know.

#32 | Posted by eberly at 2020-07-30 03:41 PM | Reply

They view them as mutually exclusive phenomenon.
we had to harm the economy to save it? Most people can't process that.
#28 | POSTED BY EBERLY

What led you to this understanding of the public's perception? Sincerely curious.

#33 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-07-30 03:47 PM | Reply

She lied and made up symptoms to get tested before she came home to self-quarantine. She tested negative but she couldn't have even been tested once to know.
#32 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Had Trump and the Republican party taken a different tact, one more in line with Democrat suggestions, that may not have been an issue.

#34 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-07-30 03:49 PM | Reply

29

I've explained it before, and yet here we are where you are asking to have it explained to you.

Are you sure you want to hear this? Did you not understand it when I clearly explained it before?

Do you want to learn? Or just troll me?

#31 | Posted by eberly

Do you think everyone on this site just sits around and memorizes all your posts or something?

I'm starting to think the reason you're so hesitant to explain your loyalty to the party of trump and stupidity is becasue you know there is no rational defensible reason and you dont want to get embarrassed.

#35 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-07-30 03:54 PM | Reply

"What led you to this understanding of the public's perception? Sincerely curious."

If you polled 100 people you don't know and ask them why we shut things down when we did, 75 of them will say to save lives and/or not overwhelm health care facilities. That's it. They won't mention "to save our economy"

They'll say we made the choice to harm our economy to accomplish that....not to save our economy. I'm including folks who want to fully comply with social distancing rules, masks, hand washing, etc in this group of people. Of course, we have the rednecks who think it's all bunk but none of them process the reality that we are slowing our economy to save it.

Why do you think a lot of people support opening up schools, businesses, rather that keep it shut down tight?

#36 | Posted by eberly at 2020-07-30 03:56 PM | Reply

"Do you think everyone on this site just sits around and memorizes all your posts or something?"

If you're going to address me and chase me on this, then you should remember what I've told you.

I'm beginning to think you're really not smart enough to process it, speakstupid.

I don't care what you think.

You need me to explain this to you....I don't need to explain ---- to you.

just keep trolling and I'll keep having fun with you.

#37 | Posted by eberly at 2020-07-30 03:58 PM | Reply

If you polled 100 people you don't know and ask them why we shut things down when we did, 75 of them will say to save lives and/or not overwhelm health care facilities. That's it. They won't mention "to save our economy"

#36 | Posted by eberly

Quoting imaginary polls is a great way to show you really know what you're talking about.

#38 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-07-30 04:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

If you wanted to know why, in the face of this pandemic, we would re-open our economy.

This is why.

The problem is that this country never really "shut down" its economy in the first place. With zero national guidance and active downplaying and interference in attempts to control the virus, we ended up with a patchwork of measures (at best) and a virus that continues to rage.

I'm done listening to the people screaming about "re-opening," because they never really allowed us to close.

#39 | Posted by JOE at 2020-07-30 04:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

You need me to explain this to you....I don't need to explain ---- to you.

just keep trolling and I'll keep having fun with you.

#37 | Posted by eberly

I'm having a blast watching a trump party supporter refusing to say why they support the trump party. Really makes it look like you've got great reasons for it.

#40 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-07-30 04:21 PM | Reply

Why do you think a lot of people support opening up schools, businesses, rather that keep it shut down tight?
#36 | POSTED BY EBERLY

The results of those actual, non-imaginary polls, show that the results are actually far more mixed than what you're suggesting:
www.google.com

#41 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-07-30 04:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

we had to harm the economy to save it? Most people can't process that.
#28 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Our economy is far from saved, Eberly.
You don't seem to be able to process that.
And it's 100% due to Republican leadership... or lack thereof.

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-07-30 04:29 PM | Reply

"If you polled 100 people you don't know and ask them why we shut things down when we did, 75 of them will say to save lives and/or not overwhelm health care facilities. That's it. They won't mention "to save our economy"

If you ask 100 people, who live in a hundred different places, "when we shut down" will be 100 different times.
And that's because Republicans failed to lead at the national level.
GDP down 32.9% in 2nd Quarter is because Republicans failed to lead.

#43 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-07-30 04:32 PM | Reply

I'm having a blast watching a trump party supporter refusing to say why they support the trump party. Really makes it look like you've got great reasons for it.
#40 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Are you calling Eberly a Trump supporter? He voted for Hilary, and will call out both sides. More people should be like that, party hacks on both sides are the problem.

#44 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2020-07-30 04:52 PM | Reply

Are you calling Eberly a Trump supporter? He voted for Hilary, and will call out both sides. More people should be like that, party hacks on both sides are the problem.

#44 | Posted by justagirl_idaho

No the people who think there is any "both sides" argument in the age of trump are the problem.

#45 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-07-30 04:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"No the people who think there is any "both sides" argument in the age of trump are the problem."

Actually, since nobody is doing that on this thread, including me, because I'm not, the problem here is .........you.

#46 | Posted by eberly at 2020-07-30 05:00 PM | Reply

"Are you calling Eberly a Trump supporter?"

Great question, Idaho. You're completely correct, by the way. And speakstupid wants to chase me around and have me explain myself when he won't answer that basic question You asked.

#47 | Posted by eberly at 2020-07-30 05:03 PM | Reply

Great question, Idaho. You're completely correct, by the way. And speakstupid wants to chase me around and have me explain myself when he won't answer that basic question You asked.

#47 | Posted by eberly

You are a trump supporter you just lack the integrity to call yourself one. You vote for the republican party, which is just the sycophantic cult of trump, therefore you support trump.

You either act to keep trump in power or you act to remove him. Unless you are voting for those who want to remove him, you are by definition acting to keep him in office.

Hide behind whatever semantic fig leaf make you feel better.

#48 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-07-30 05:35 PM | Reply

"Are you calling Eberly a Trump supporter?"

He's a dyed in the wool Republican.

Does he blame Trump for the 32.9% drop in GDP? No.
Does he blame Trump for how the coronavirus is ravaging the country? No.

He supports Trump by pretending Trump is invisible.

#49 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-07-30 05:38 PM | Reply

"Unless you are voting for those who want to remove him, you are by definition acting to keep him in office."

Great example right there of how you lack the intellectual capacity to understand anything.

You don't even know the difference between a primary and a general election

I'm going to vote in a Republican primary because of where I live and because we have closed primaries. This part is way over your head but I need to vote in elections that matter.

I did not vote for Trump nor is there any chance I will this time.

Oh, it's a pretty big fig leaf, and yes I'm quite happy about it

#50 | Posted by eberly at 2020-07-30 05:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I did not vote for Trump nor is there any chance I will this time.

Oh, it's a pretty big fig leaf, and yes I'm quite happy about it

#50 | Posted by eberly

I didn't say you voted for him. I said you support him. You voted for the people that kept him in office after his impeachable crimes were exposed. Voting for his cult members is no different from voting for the cult leader himself. You DONT vote for the people who were fighting to stop his presidency and remove him.

#51 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-07-30 05:49 PM | Reply

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This place is chock full with nothing but left-wing trolls dying for a conversation with someone like me.

It's so cute. You've nobody else to attack so you pretend I represent the evil you're so worked up over.

I love this place.

#52 | Posted by eberly at 2020-07-30 05:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Geeze guys, but in this case you really should give Eberly a break. He responded to me on a thread over the last couple of days about his party affiliation and it's quite easy to understand. I live in Indiana, a state where currently the GOP has held supermajorities in both houses and the governership.

On that point Ebs is saying that to be involved in meaningful politics where he lives he has to register as a Republican. Ebs has consistently shown that he indeed has more conservative underpinnings than any liberal, but once facts and evidence are presented, most of the time he doesn't stick to disproven dogma and falsities just for the sake of party, though he does enjoy tweaking progressive noses as is his want. Yes, he's trolling - he tells you so.

But to my observations Ebs has been consistent in his opposition to Trump, I just think he wants those of us who have been vehemently against him to justify the specific point of any discussion - which is maddening to those of us who see the abject malevolence of Trump and can't countenance those trying to give him any benefit of the doubt, which Ebs does more than he might realize.

Where Ebs lives is a place where the Democrats don't garner enough votes to win any significant local elections, and Ebs needs to be a power-broker, so he plays on the winning team. But he doesn't necessarily agree with everything the rest of the team often does.

#53 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-07-30 06:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Lol. I can't believe you spent that much time defending a rightwing troll. Your life, i guess.

#54 | Posted by JOE at 2020-07-30 06:06 PM | Reply

I could never imagine the left would go as far as crashing the economy to get Trump out of office.

#55 | Posted by Ray at 2020-07-30 06:17 PM | Reply

Thank you for that Tony. I will freely admit I don't as loudly and proudly trash Trump on this place but it isn't because I don't agree with the bashing. It's because it would just be redundant to pile on

Thanks again.

#56 | Posted by eberly at 2020-07-30 06:20 PM | Reply

This place is chock full with nothing but left-wing trolls dying for a conversation with someone like me.

It's so cute. You've nobody else to attack so you pretend I represent the evil you're so worked up over.

I love this place.

#52 | Posted by eberly

YOu should take a hint from the rest of the trump cult and hide or stick to breitbart. When you show your self outside the klan rally, you're going to be confronted.

#57 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-07-30 06:33 PM | Reply

I could never imagine the left would go as far as crashing the economy to get Trump out of office.

#55 | Posted by Ray

Yeah that pesky left somehow tied trump's hands and made our country's response to the pandemic into the worst in the world. How did they do that exactly?

#58 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-07-30 06:34 PM | Reply

How did they do that exactly?

The pandemic is a fake. Shutting down the economy will only make matters worse.

#59 | Posted by Ray at 2020-07-30 06:39 PM | Reply

"YOu should take a hint from the rest of the trump cult and hide or stick to breitbart. When you show your self outside the klan rally, you're going to be confronted."

This is just pure desperation.

I saw someone reference snoofy earlier so I know that ---- is following me around.

Speak should join the club.

How does anybody converse with this?

He's a complete--------.

#60 | Posted by eberly at 2020-07-30 06:40 PM | Reply

"He's a complete--------."

Something Eberly will never say about Trump.

#61 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-07-30 06:42 PM | Reply

The pandemic is a fake. Shutting down the economy will only make matters worse.
#59 | POSTED BY RAY

Germany managed only 10% drop in GDP thanks to the hoax.

Why did America drop 32.9%?

Whatever your answer is, just like Eberly, it won't be "Trump."

#62 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-07-30 06:45 PM | Reply

The pandemic is a fake.

There's really no point in discussing anything with someone who believes this.

#63 | Posted by horstngraben at 2020-07-30 07:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#63 Not only is there no point in discussing it, simply letting that propaganda spread is literally killing people.

Herman Cain spread that propaganda, and now Herman Cain is dead from believing his own propaganda.

#64 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-07-30 07:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Germany managed only 10% drop in GDP thanks to the hoax.
Why did America drop 32.9%?

If the statistics are to believed, they imply Germany wasn't as extreme in shutting down the economy.
The differences in decline are secondary to the fact that the world economy is in decline.
There won't be a recovery for a long time.

#65 | Posted by Ray at 2020-07-30 07:03 PM | Reply

"Germany managed only 10% drop in GDP thanks to the hoax.
Why did America drop 32.9%?

If the statistics are to believed, they imply Germany wasn't as extreme in shutting down the economy."

So then. Why is Germany not getting ravaged by the pandemic like we are, if they didn't shut down as much as we did?

#66 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-07-30 07:05 PM | Reply

There's really no point in discussing anything with someone who believes this.

You're right. No matter how much politicians lie, gullible people will always believe them.
These people are sociopaths. Fear is their weapon of choice because it always works.

#67 | Posted by Ray at 2020-07-30 07:08 PM | Reply

"You are a trump supporter you just lack the integrity to call yourself one."

Eberly lives in a state of cognitive dissonance where he can support the GOP and the city, county, State, and Federal Congressional level, but that doesn't in any way support the GOP President.

#68 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-07-30 07:12 PM | Reply

You know it's a bad news day for Republicans when Ray shows up!

#69 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-07-30 07:13 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Why is Germany not getting ravaged by the pandemic like we are, if they didn't shut down as much as we did?

Why does that puzzle you? It makes sense to me. The less the political class does, the more positive the outcome.

The masks cut off oxygen. The fear mongering and the high rates of unemployment increase stress levels.

At the rate they're going, the economy and the rates of all diseases can only get worse. And that's before the vaccines kick in.

#70 | Posted by Ray at 2020-07-30 07:19 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"The masks cut off oxygen."

You lie.

Coincidentally, you also lie that a knee on George Floyd's neck doesn't cut off oxygen.

#71 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-07-30 07:22 PM | Reply

"The less the political class does, the more positive the outcome."

Germany did more testing than us in March and April, not less.

#72 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-07-30 07:23 PM | Reply

You know it's a bad news day for Republicans when Ray shows up!

What's so special about today? According to the MSM, every day is a bad day for Republicans.

IMO, Trump will win easily. It's like the left is trying to lose.

#73 | Posted by Ray at 2020-07-30 07:26 PM | Reply

"What's so special about today?"

Ray asked this on the same day Herman Cain died from Trump's disastrous response to COVID-19 and the Q2 GDP came in at down 32.9% from Trump's disastrous response to COVID-19.

#74 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-07-30 07:32 PM | Reply

"The masks cut off oxygen."
You lie.

You're breathing your own waste gas which includes CO2. Don't believe me. See if I care.

Coincidentally, you also lie that a knee on George Floyd's neck doesn't cut off oxygen.

According to the coroners report, Floyd died of an overdose of fentanyl. Difficulty breathing is one of the symptoms.
If you pay attention, the cop had his knee on the side of Floyd's neck, not the front.

#75 | Posted by Ray at 2020-07-30 07:34 PM | Reply

The pandemic is a fake.

#59 | Posted by Ray

Oh right. I forgot I was talking to the dumbest moron on the retort.

#76 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-07-30 07:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"According to the coroners report, Floyd died of an overdose of fentanyl."

Ray, where are you getting this, uh, let's just call it "information?"

#77 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-07-30 07:48 PM | Reply

"You're breathing your own waste gas which includes CO2."

So how do doctors manage to wear one for thirteen hours of surgery, Ray?

#78 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-07-30 07:49 PM | Reply

IMO, Trump will win easily. It's like the left is trying to lose.

#73 | Posted by Ray a

IYO, the dow was going to drop to 1400. Your predictions are worthless. You believe in fairytale level conspiracies that involve millions doctors worldwide.

The bigger a conspiracy would need to be in order to be executed, the dumber you are for believing it. Thinking the pandemic is a hoax is dumber than thinking the earth is flat.

Congrats, you're dumber than the flat earthers.

#79 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-07-30 07:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I could never imagine the left would go as far as crashing the economy to get Trump out of office.
#55 | POSTED BY RAY

Lie.

Trump brought this upon himself. I label your post a lie because you clearly understand this.

#80 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-07-30 08:19 PM | Reply

The pandemic is a fake. Shutting down the economy will only make matters worse.
#59 | POSTED BY RAY

It's a fake what?

#81 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-07-30 08:20 PM | Reply

- the left would go as far as crashing the economy to get Trump out of office.

The "Conspiracy Theory!" is strong in this one.

"It's a Plandemic! Herman Cain is alive, his crisis actor died!"

#82 | Posted by Corky at 2020-07-30 08:23 PM | Reply

No matter how much politicians lie, gullible people will always believe them.
These people are sociopaths. Fear is their weapon of choice because it always works.
#67 | POSTED BY RAY

You're absolutely right, yet seemingly focused on one sub-group within the larger group of politicians. Only one group is lying through their teeth about the pandemic (of which you've now propagated). My question to you is why focus your discontent against the sub-group who is recognizing reality for what it is and not calling the pandemic 'fake'?

#83 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-07-30 08:23 PM | Reply

The masks cut off oxygen.

Lie.

The fear mongering and the high rates of unemployment increase stress levels.

Truth.

At the rate they're going, the economy and the rates of all diseases can only get worse. And that's before the vaccines kick in.
#70 | POSTED BY RAY

Truth.

See, why do you drop a giant turd right in at the beginning of a rational, truthful post?

#84 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-07-30 08:26 PM | Reply

You're breathing your own waste gas which includes CO2. Don't believe me. See if I care.
#75 | POSTED BY RAY

That's not "cutting off oxygen."

Are you just trolling? You're not making any sense.

#85 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-07-30 08:28 PM | Reply

"There's really no point in discussing anything with someone who believes this."

There is one value in it.

Trolls like snoofy and speakstupid can challenge Ray on his positions and quit wasting my time.

#86 | Posted by eberly at 2020-07-30 09:25 PM | Reply

and quit wasting my time.
#86 | POSTED BY EBERLY

LOL

That sincerely made me smile.

Sorry.

#87 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-07-30 09:36 PM | Reply

GDP down 32.9% in 2nd Quarter is because Republicans failed to lead.

I am shocked that there are 87 posts and no one understands what "annualized rate" means.

GDP fell by about 9.5% this quarter. Still huge, but not 32.9%.

#88 | Posted by leftcoastlawyer at 2020-07-30 10:33 PM | Reply

"GDP fell by about 9.5% this quarter."

Compared to what?

#89 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-07-30 10:46 PM | Reply

#88

Most understood that from the first post LCL because it says so in the freaking introductory sentence!

I'm surprised it's taken 88 posts for someone to self righteously insinuate that no one but themselves understand that quarterly GDP reports are always given in terms of annualizing the percentage of change. Always.

What's next, do you feel the need to tell us that a 300 batting average in baseball is really .300 because no one mentions it but for Captain Obvious?

#90 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-07-30 10:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

LeftCoastLawyer is merely showing us his true colors, TonyRoma.

#91 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-07-30 11:00 PM | Reply

Leftcoast is without rightoe

He played this game on every thread created by either persona

When no one was biting at rightoecentres baiting thread, leftcoastoecentrelawyer would always appear, same with leftcoastoecentrelawyer
Same sources, same preamble, same "righteous insinuation"
Same person

#92 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2020-07-30 11:32 PM | Reply

You're saying "everyone" understood we were protecting the economy when we choose to temporarily kill it?

No, I don't think very many people understood that to be what we were doing.

They believed it was to keep too many people getting sick at once and overwhelming our health care system.

#8 | POSTED BY EBERLY

They're not mutually exclusive.

Limit infection rates and protect medical infrastructure reduces concern and panic, which translates to lower impact on economy.

#93 | Posted by jpw at 2020-07-31 01:01 AM | Reply

The masks cut off oxygen.
#70 | POSTED BY RAY

But magically doesn't do a thing to prevent infection, right?

Why do you insist on saying such stupid ----? God damn.

#94 | Posted by jpw at 2020-07-31 01:06 AM | Reply

You're breathing your own waste gas which includes CO2. Don't believe me. See if I care.

Then how do surgeons undergo hours and hours and hours of surgical procedures without suffering effects of asphyxiation or hypoxia?

So no, I don't believe you. Because you're just spouting off inane garbage.

#95 | Posted by jpw at 2020-07-31 01:08 AM | Reply

It's far more straightforward than that.

Limit infection rates and Tyson doesn't have to close the chicken plant, times the entire economy.

Don't limit infection rates, don't ramp up the ability to test, and the virus simply washes over us. With utterly predictable consequences.

#96 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-07-31 01:08 AM | Reply

"Why do you insist on saying such stupid ----?"

Ray has a go-to expert on these matters: Ray.

#97 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-07-31 01:11 AM | Reply

"So then. Why is Germany not getting ravaged by the pandemic like we are, if they didn't shut down as much as we did?"

It should be.

I went to an amusement park in Kln. Wednesday. It was packed to the gills. It's one of the more famous parks in Western Europe, and was full of people from France, Germany, and the Netherlands. There was no social distancing. Masks were required when standing in line and while riding.

Deaths in Germany pretty much leveled out in late May.

I would offer that Germans seem to be a lot healthier. Virtually all Germans spend time hiking or riding their bikes, even if they are going to a Biergarten to spend the day drinking and smoking.

The other thing is that Germany (or any other country) may not count COVID deaths the way the US does. The reporting doesn't appear to be universal across all the states, but some states report a COVID death as the death of any person who had the virus, regardless of how they died.

#98 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-07-31 04:27 AM | Reply

The reporting doesn't appear to be universal across all the states, but some states report a COVID death as the death of any person who had the virus, regardless of how they died.

It's simply staggering that after 6 months of reading and writing thousands of words about Covid that you do not understand no one dies directly from Covid just like no one dies directly from AIDS. People die from the various attacks on their bodies accentuated and facilitated by the coronavirus, which can manifest in a plethora of fatal outcomes due to many, many different pathologies.

Please, just stop. It's embarrassing.

#99 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-07-31 08:27 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I'm curious... with no end in sight, why is this widely called a recession and not a depression?

Are those people in denial, or sugar coating with rose colored glasses? Or, are they correct?

#100 | Posted by LiquidCake at 2020-07-31 11:33 AM | Reply

Depressions are defined by the length of the downturn, not simply the severity. So it won't be a defined depression for a while yet.

#101 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-07-31 11:40 AM | Reply

Trolls like snoofy and speakstupid can challenge Ray on his positions and quit wasting my time.

#86 | Posted by eberly

Yes congrats. Someone dumber than you showed up.

Let me know if you ever find the mental capacity to clearly express why you choose the trump party over the non trump party.

#102 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-07-31 11:43 AM | Reply

Another proposed definition of depression includes two general rules:[3][4]

1. a decline in real GDP exceeding 10%, or
2. a recession lasting 2 or more years.

There are also differences in the duration of depression across definitions. Some economists refer only to the period when economic activity is declining. The more common use, however, also encompasses the time until the economic activity has returned close to normal levels.[1]

en.wikipedia.org(economics)

Our quarterly decline in GDP absolutely fits in the depression category but depressions aren't defined by quarters, they're defined by years.

#103 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-07-31 11:44 AM | Reply

"why is this widely called a recession and not a depression?"

Because that's depressing! Which would make it a self fulfilling Prophecy.

A consumer economy is mostly psychological anyway.

#104 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-07-31 11:46 AM | Reply

@ TONYROMA

Thank you.

1. a decline in real GDP exceeding 10%, or
2. a recession lasting 2 or more years.

Not to pick, but it seems we meet the criteria for depression according to that definition. It's proposing two rules of which only one must apply.

And the following mentions no length of time, although it also seems to imply there isn't a consensus on the definitions.

www.merriam-webster.com

#105 | Posted by LiquidCake at 2020-07-31 12:03 PM | Reply

"Please, just stop. It's embarrassing."

So, you deem it valid if someone who tests positive for COVID after dying in a car accident is recorded as a COVID death?

#106 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-07-31 12:36 PM | Reply

What about someone who was on hospice who contracts COVID? Should that be recorded as a COVID death?

#107 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-07-31 12:37 PM | Reply

I would agree that determining whether someone died from COVID isn't always going to be easy. But if someone with COVID commits suicide, isn't it a bit dishonest to say they died from COVID?

#108 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-07-31 12:38 PM | Reply

I would agree that determining whether someone died from COVID isn't always going to be easy. But if someone with COVID commits suicide, isn't it a bit dishonest to say they died from COVID?
#108 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Was the diagnosis tied to an exacerbation of their underlying condition? I'd say, yes, COVID-related.

#109 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-07-31 12:41 PM | Reply

"What about someone who was on hospice who contracts COVID? Should that be recorded as a COVID death?"

Depends.

If a person in hospice is murdered, is that still murder?

#110 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-07-31 12:51 PM | Reply

"Was the diagnosis tied to an exacerbation of their underlying condition? I'd say, yes, COVID-related."

Really?

So someone commits suicide because they've contracted the virus, that's a COVID death?

#111 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-07-31 12:51 PM | Reply

"If a person in hospice is murdered, is that still murder?"

Of course, but murder refers to a very specific circumstance where one person kills another.

And that would most likely be considered a criminal act. But you can't charge a virus with a crime.

#112 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-07-31 12:54 PM | Reply

"So then. Why is Germany not getting ravaged by the pandemic like we are, if they didn't shut down as much as we did?"

It should be."

Germany should be?
So then why aren't they?
Divine intervention?
Something Merkel did?
Market forces?
What???

#113 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-07-31 01:00 PM | Reply

"I would offer that Germans seem to be a lot healthier."

Well they certainly don't have nearly as many new cases of COVID-19 per day as the Umited States does.

But why? Why don't as healthy Germans have the sniffles for a few days, as Americans are getting diagnosed with COVID-19?

Merkel nipped this thing in the bud and you can't give her, or science, credit for their success.

Sad. Bigly sad!

#114 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-07-31 01:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So, you deem it valid if someone who tests positive for COVID after dying in a car accident is recorded as a COVID death?
#106 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

It's funny because you deem it valid that the cause of death for George Floyd was not asphyxiation by having a knee on his neck for eight minutes and forty-six seconds. Nor was it COVID, even though Mr. Floyd had it.

You're a credit to your race, MadBomber.

#115 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-07-31 01:10 PM | Reply

"Well they certainly don't have nearly as many new cases of COVID-19 per day as the Umited States does."

Are they using the same reporting methodology?

In the US, if you test positive for antibodies, you're reported as a new case. Ditto if you have symptoms, but aren't tested.

On June 14th, the CDC altered their reporting criteria to include probable cases. Go look at what the number of new cases in the US looks like after June 14th.

#116 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-07-31 01:12 PM | Reply

"It's funny because you deem it valid that the cause of death for George Floyd was not asphyxiation by having a knee on his neck for eight minutes and forty-six seconds. Nor was it COVID, even though Mr. Floyd had it."

He was recorded as a COVID death, correct?

#117 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-07-31 01:13 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"He was recorded as a COVID death, correct?"

No.

"Cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restrain, and neck compression"

#118 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-07-31 01:16 PM | Reply

"Ditto if you have symptoms, but aren't tested."

Link, please.

#119 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-07-31 01:17 PM | Reply

It's on the CDC website.

Do you really need the link?

---- it:

wwwn.cdc.gov

#120 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-07-31 01:23 PM | Reply

#118

Huh.

I guess Minnesota must not count all who die COVID positive as COVID deaths.

#121 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-07-31 01:25 PM | Reply

"It's on the CDC website."

Read it more carefully; you're misinterpreting.

#122 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-07-31 01:31 PM | Reply

He was recorded as a COVID death, correct?

#117 | Posted by madbomber

YOu sure are doing a lot of work to pretend that somehow this increase in death isn't covid related.

Play with semantics, re-label the statistics, whatever you want. No one outside your cult is dumb enough to think that trump's reaction to the pandemic isn't causing far more death than needed to happen.

#123 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-07-31 01:31 PM | Reply

So, you deem it valid if someone who tests positive for COVID after dying in a car accident is recorded as a COVID death?

Again, please stop with your insipid non sequiters. I work with death certificates as a matter of my job. Death certificates list both the direct cause of death - which in a car accident is some form of 'blunt force trauma' - and the specific category of death - Natural; Accident; Suicide; Homicide; Pending investigation; Could not be determined.

In the cause section it states - 'Diseases, injuries or complications that directly caused the death - Do not enter terminal events such as cardiac arrest, respiratory arrest or ventricular fibrillation without showing the etiology."

So your question is idiotic. Unless Covid is a contributing factor in the terminal event that caused the death it should not be listed anywhere as a covid death in statistics.

Where covid positivity may not be confirmed until after death, indeed patients who die from respiratory arrest, heart attacks, strokes, blood clotting ailments, organ failures and all the categories of fatalities which have been observed to cause death in covid positive patients rightly are categorized as covid-related deaths because they are.

#124 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-07-31 01:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Cliff Notes - car accidents are accidental deaths. There is no such thing as an "accidental" covid death.

#125 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-07-31 01:37 PM | Reply

In the US, if you test positive for antibodies, you're reported as a new case. Ditto if you have symptoms, but aren't tested.

Depends on the state for the antibodies. No, you're not counted if you have symptoms without a test.

#126 | Posted by YAV at 2020-07-31 01:42 PM | Reply

"So your question is idiotic. Unless Covid is a contributing factor in the terminal event that caused the death it should not be listed anywhere as a covid death in statistics."

I agree, but:

"During Gov. JB Pritzker's health briefing on Sunday, Dr. Ngozi Ezike, the Illinois Department of Public Health director, said anyone who had COVID-19 at the time of death, even if the person died of other causes, is counted among the COVID deaths. In fact, even if a person is in hospice for other reasons but has COVID, too, that death is still counted among the COVID deaths, Ezike said."

www.theherald-news.com

Maybe Illinois is alone in how they report?

You think?

#127 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-07-31 01:43 PM | Reply

"Cliff Notes - car accidents are accidental deaths. There is no such thing as an "accidental" covid death."

Unless they're COVID positive in Illinois and die in a car crash, then you have acknowledge the existence of an accidental COVID death. It was an accident, after all.

#128 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-07-31 01:45 PM | Reply

"No, you're not counted if you have symptoms without a test."

No Karen,

Read the CDC reporting criteria.

#129 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-07-31 01:46 PM | Reply

Unless they're COVID positive in Illinois and die in a car crash, then you have acknowledge the existence of an accidental COVID death. It was an accident, after all.

You are a moron's moron. The link you quoted from is referring to deaths from NATURAL (ie. physiological health issues) causes, not accidents.

You're ignorant of what I posted in the above comments.

#130 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-07-31 01:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Unless they're COVID positive in Illinois and die in a car crash, then you have acknowledge the existence of an accidental COVID death. It was an accident, after all.

#128 | Posted by madbomber

Assuming youre correct, how far do you think people with covid dying in car crashes is skewing the numbers?

Unless it's half or more, you are failing to achieve your goal of pretending your cult leader isn't failing miserably at his job.

#131 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-07-31 01:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"If you wanted to know why, in the face of this pandemic, we would re-open our economy. "

If you want to to know why the economy is crashing it's because we haven't controlled the virus. Like many of them S Hole countries already have.

Ignore the virus and crash the economy. Why?

Because the hospitals will get overwhelmed. When the hospitals get overwhelmed people die and people die people will panic and not go out.

And the economy suffers.

It's all related. Cure the virus and you cure the Economy.

Denial is not a policy. Ignoring the science is not a policy.

Pretending it will go away is not a policy.

Blaming everyone else is not a policy.

#132 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-07-31 02:04 PM | Reply

"Data Sources, References & Notes: ...The numbers are confirmed and probable COVID-19 cases as reported by U.S. states, U.S. territories, New York City, and the District of Columbia from the previous day. ... Case numbers reported on other websites may differ from what is posted on CDC's website because CDC's overall case numbers are validated through a confirmation process with each jurisdiction."

www.cdc.gov

"A probable case or death is defined as:

A person meeting clinical criteria AND epidemiologic evidence with no confirmatory laboratory testing performed for COVID-19;
A person meeting presumptive laboratory evidence AND either clinical criteria OR epidemiologic evidence;
A person meeting vital records criteria with no confirmatory laboratory testing performed for COVID-19."
www.cdc.gov

"Clinical Criteria
At least two of the following symptoms: fever (measured or subjective), chills, rigors, myalgia, headache, sore throat, new olfactory and taste disorder(s)
OR
At least one of the following symptoms: cough, shortness of breath, or difficulty breathing
OR
Severe respiratory illness with at least one of the following:
Clinical or radiographic evidence of pneumonia, OR
Acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS).
AND
No alternative more likely diagnosis"
wwwn.cdc.gov
(Laboratory Criteria below on the same page)

So to be clear, you have to be diagnosed, and just having symptoms doesn't cut it, you also have to have evidence of, and exclusion of a diagnosis for anything else, so it's not just "having symptoms." There is validation, testing, and a clinical diagnosis that must occur.

#133 | Posted by YAV at 2020-07-31 02:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Well, congratulations, the only accomplishment of President Obama's presidency the Dotard has not undone is the ACA.

I heard Senator Ed Markey comment yesterday that he thinks we're in an FDR moment. The longer Orange Adolf occupies the WH the closer that moment gets. I hope VP Biden isn't too nice to steamroll through the kind of legislative changes we need to turn this crap show around. We know the GOP will put up as many roadblocks as they can, we need to get out in massive numbers and give the Dems a significant majority in the Senate and then convince our Senators to dispose of the filibuster so that Joe and his administration can flatten the GOP traitors. I hope they take note of history and how ruthless FDR was when he rolled over GOP resistance.

#134 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2020-07-31 02:25 PM | Reply

"I hope they take note of history and how ruthless FDR was when he rolled over GOP resistance."

That sounds like interesting history.

If it's about to repeat, I'd like to learn more. Are there any books on that subject? Anything?

#135 | Posted by eberly at 2020-07-31 02:29 PM | Reply

#90

Tony, you posted the article, including the "Business" Insider link at the top of the page, that was talking about this as if the "US GDP plunged by a record 33% in the 2nd quarter." Snoofy (as if he understands anything to do with economics) repeatedly parroted that point: "Why did America drop 32.9%?" and everyone else ran with it as if it was the quarterly drop.

It's not.

#136 | Posted by leftcoastlawyer at 2020-07-31 07:16 PM | Reply

that's a COVID death?
#111 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Did they kill themselves because they caught COVID? If that's the reasoning, how can you say the death was not attributed to contracting COVID? Sure there's an asterisk, but if more people end up killing themselves because they caught COVID, wouldn't that be a worthwhile consideration to make? COntracting COVID increases the probability of suicide?

I'd say so, but what do I know. This coming from a guy who used to eat breadsticks by dipping them in a chocolate malt. NOT A SHAKE! A malt. So take my opinion with a grain of salt, for all I care.

#137 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-07-31 07:22 PM | Reply

I guess Minnesota must not count all who die COVID positive as COVID deaths.
#121 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Which puts a large whole in your assertion, considering if Minnesota is not, the probability that other states are not as well increases.

How do you square that?

#138 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-07-31 07:25 PM | Reply

*a large hole...

(Stop it, IPA!)

#139 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-07-31 07:31 PM | Reply

Tony, you posted the article, including the "Business" Insider link at the top of the page, that was talking about this as if the "US GDP plunged by a record 33% in the 2nd quarter."

The first and only sentence of the article itself states

US gross domestic product fell at a record 33% annualized rate in the first quarter, according to Commerce Department figures released Thursday.
There is a 60 character limit on titles which you already know. Please tell us how to write the title and impart the important information while including the word "annualized".

And to be redundant the only way quarterly GDP reporting is done is by annualizing the data. When Donald Trump goes before the microphones and speaks of "6% growth this quarter" he speaking about annualized data. When the 2020 1st quarter GDP was publicized as -5% it was annualized, no one EVER stated it as -1.25%.

You're being obtuse.

#140 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-07-31 10:27 PM | Reply

"Ignore the virus and crash the economy."

Trump was too stupid to figure that out.

MadBomber still is!

Even as he lives in Germany, where they didn't ignore the virus, and didn't crash the economy.

MadBomber is a perfect example of how you can show somebody all the facts and evidence in the world, but it just won't change their mind, if their pride won't allow it.

#141 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-08-01 02:14 PM | Reply

"And to be redundantthe only way quarterly GDP reporting is done is by annualizing the data."

Thanks TonyRoma.

Funny how people who know that, and read it in the article summary, are being castigated like we don't know that.

LeftCoastLawyer offers nothing more than weak deflections from the economic cost of Trump's failure to lead.

#142 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-08-01 02:26 PM | Reply

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