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Thursday, July 30, 2020

In 1983, as Apple was debuting its new Macintosh computer, the company aired one of the most iconic ads in cultural history, "1984." Taking a page out of George Orwell's book, the ad was designed as an anti-conformity message, selling the idea that individual thought can change the world.

Unfortunately, the world of Orwell's "1984," where free thought was replaced with group think, is beginning to feel a lot like the "cancel culture" that now permeates college campuses, social media, major newsrooms and corporate boardrooms, an increasingly alarming environment, driven by a self-defined infallible elite.

In too many venues today, the purpose of political speech isn't to question and debate ideas but rather to ensure ideological conformity dictated by a cancel culture elite that punishes those with "contradictory true thoughts" because those thoughts are seen as incompatible with what amounts to an absolute belief in the infallibility of their own dogma.

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Sound familiar?

Unfortunately, this is happening way too often across platforms and venues.

#1 | Posted by leftcoastlawyer at 2020-07-30 12:25 PM | Reply

"1984" is the means

"Animal Farm" is the goal.

"All animals are equal. Some animals are more equal than others."

#2 | Posted by rhet at 2020-07-30 12:42 PM | Reply

Entering?

Been here for decades.

Qualified Immunity = "All animals are equal. Some animals are more equal than others."

#3 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-07-30 12:44 PM | Reply

"Unfortunately, the world of Orwell's "1984," where free thought was replaced with group think, is beginning to feel a lot like the "cancel culture"

No it's not.

#4 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-07-30 12:47 PM | Reply

Free Thinkin' Herman Cain signed his own death warrant.
Big Brother convinced him the virus was a hoax.

That kind of thing?

#5 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-07-30 12:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#2

Most people don't realize that Orwell was an avowed socialist until the communists tried to kill him in Spain during the Spanish Civil War, and then became a rabid anti-communist. Both 1984 and Animal Farm are a result of his experiences with the communists during that time.

#6 | Posted by leftcoastlawyer at 2020-07-30 12:57 PM | Reply

Orwell was against totalitarianism.

Doesn't matter if it's Communist totalitarianism, Socialist totalitarianism, or Capitalist totalitarianism.

#7 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-07-30 01:00 PM | Reply

#4

just stop ! Of course it does.

It also "smells" a little like a certain "place" I know.

Groupthink is a phenomenon in which a group exerts extensive pressure on an individual to align his or her opinion with other's opinions.

Groupthink is the tendency of highly cohesive groups to assume that their decisions can't be wrong: that all members must support the group's decision and ignore information contrary to it.

#8 | Posted by rhet at 2020-07-30 01:06 PM | Reply

Sorry. Put quotation marks beginning with the first "Groupthink" TTE.

#9 | Posted by rhet at 2020-07-30 01:09 PM | Reply

#7

That's true, but doesn't make my #6 any less accurate.

#10 | Posted by leftcoastlawyer at 2020-07-30 01:14 PM | Reply

Yes it does.

#11 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-07-30 01:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Groupthink is a phenomenon in which a group exerts extensive pressure on an individual to align his or her opinion with other's opinions."

What's your opinion about the double yellow line down the middle of the road?

What's your opinion about red, yellow, and green traffic lights?

Go be a victim somewhere else.

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-07-30 01:31 PM | Reply

"Groupthink is the tendency of highly cohesive groups to assume that their decisions can't be wrong: that all members must support the group's decision and ignore information contrary to it."

Anti-Vaxxers
Birthers
9-11 Truthers
Pizzagate

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-07-30 01:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Go be a victim somewhere else.

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-07-30 01:31 PM

SO ! that means that you are saying !! that your... " decisions can't be wrong: that all members must support the group's decision and ignore information

contrary to it."

And by your request for me to leave you are saying !! that you "exerts extensive pressure on an individual to align his or her opinion with other's opinions."

Are you always this slow witted or is this just a part you play ?

#14 | Posted by rhet at 2020-07-30 01:47 PM | Reply

Go be a victim somewhere else.

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-07-30

And I am no victim other than forcing myself to read certain posters from time to time.

#15 | Posted by rhet at 2020-07-30 01:53 PM | Reply

All opinions are not equal. Some are based on rationality, science, facts with a seasoning of morality.

Other opinions are ---- dressed up in a suit of hypocrisy, wearing a cologne of bias.

#16 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-07-30 01:54 PM | Reply

"Groupthink is a phenomenon in which a group exerts extensive pressure on an individual to align his or her opinion with other's opinions."

What's your opinion about the double yellow line down the middle of the road?

What's your opinion about red, yellow, and green traffic lights?

Go be a victim somewhere else.

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-07-30 01:31 PM

Kudos on your Joe Biden impression. Of course speaking in incoherent gibberish is not all that difficult.

#17 | Posted by rhet at 2020-07-30 01:56 PM | Reply

"Are you always this slow witted..."

Slow-witted is a hyphenated word, Einstein.

#18 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-07-30 01:58 PM | Reply

Other opinions are ---- dressed up in a suit of hypocrisy, wearing a cologne of bias.

#16 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-07-30 01

screw agreeing.

what a nice turn of phrase. ( you shore talk purdy )

#19 | Posted by rhet at 2020-07-30 02:00 PM | Reply

It's called having an educated opinion or taking an educated guess. It's how the scientific method has always worked.

#20 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-07-30 02:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Of course speaking in incoherent gibberish is not all that difficult.

#17 | POSTED BY RHET AT 2020-07-30 01:56

screw agreeing.
what a nice turn of phrase. ( you shore talk purdy )

#19 | POSTED BY RHET AT 2020-07-30 02:00 PM

you took 4 minutes to post an example.

#21 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-07-30 02:20 PM | Reply

#21

Yawn.

Other opinions are ---- dressed up in a suit of hypocrisy, wearing a cologne of bias.

#16 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-07-

You are either talking about most of your posts or your lack of self awareness is nothing short of astounding. Or both.

#22 | Posted by rhet at 2020-07-30 02:32 PM | Reply

... ensure ideological conformity dictated by a cancel culture elite that punishes those with "contradictory true thoughts" ...

I laughed at the ambiguity of that buzz-word laden phrase.

I did not take the rest of the article seriously because of that.


#23 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-07-30 02:42 PM | Reply

Groupthink is voting for Trump even after he suggested that perhaps the election needs to be delayed until some time when he thinks is right. If you still support him after that moment in time then you don't have the ability to think for yourself and demand a leader who will obey the Constitution he took an oath to defend and obey.

#24 | Posted by danni at 2020-07-30 04:15 PM | Reply

#23

Really? That's all it took?

90% of the links here have buzz-word laden phrases in them. Do you stop reading them too? Or is it just because you don't agree with his premise?

#25 | Posted by leftcoastlawyer at 2020-07-30 04:43 PM | Reply

The biggest Groupthink in America right now led to a 32.9% decline in GDP.

You agree, LeftCoastLawyer?

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-07-30 04:47 PM | Reply

@#25 ... 90% of the links here have buzz-word laden phrases in them. Do you stop reading them too? ...

If they appear as humorous as this one, yes.

That criterion reduces it from the 90% you assert (without substantiation), to a link here and there.

... Or is it just because you don't agree with his premise? ..

It is not whether or not I agree with the premise.

It is the seriousness with which the premise is presented.

This particular article (actually an op-ed) is fodder for winning at buzz-word bingo.


#27 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-07-30 06:53 PM | Reply

"In too many venues today, the purpose of political speech isn't to question and debate ideas but rather to ensure ideological conformity"

Can I get an example of one of these "ideas" that isn't being debated?

An "idea" that isn't Nazism or Eugenics or Male superiority or Homosexual immorality or Muslim inferiority?

Are those ideas that I listed ideas that should be addressed by a debate of their merits, LeftCoastLawyer?

Thanks, LeftCoastLawyer.

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-07-30 07:30 PM | Reply

Nazism or Eugenics or Male superiority or Homosexual immorality or Muslim inferiority?

Thanks for giving us your wish list, go ahead and start threads on each of these.

Have fun.

#29 | Posted by leftcoastlawyer at 2020-07-30 08:37 PM | Reply

America entered Orwellian Territory when Reagan was elected... now it's bordering on Gestapo Territory.

#30 | Posted by Corky at 2020-07-30 08:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#29 No surprise you'd cut and run, just like your sugar daddy.

#31 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-07-30 08:50 PM | Reply

How did I cut and run, Snoofy?

Your Homophobia and racism are once again noted.

#32 | Posted by leftcoastlawyer at 2020-07-30 10:06 PM | Reply

"How did I cut and run, Snoofy?"

It was when you didn't answer the question in #28.

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-07-30 11:57 PM | Reply

#28 Whether or not Elizabeth Warren had Indian blood was one on this site. On twitter you can get banned for a pic of the American flag with the Lords prayer under it. A lot of sites ban pics of guns. Outdoors and survival stuff is banned on Facebook. But tech giants have no problem with anti-Semitic terrorist groups and weird child-abuse videos. Pedophiles are explicitly allowed to roam Twitter and spew their normalization vomit.

#34 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2020-07-31 06:26 AM | Reply

#28 Whether or not Elizabeth Warren had Indian blood was one on this site. On twitter you can get banned for a pic of the American flag with the Lords prayer under it. A lot of sites ban pics of guns. Outdoors and survival stuff is banned on Facebook. But tech giants have no problem with anti-Semitic terrorist groups and weird child-abuse videos. Pedophiles are explicitly allowed to roam Twitter and spew their normalization vomit.

#34 | POSTED BY HELIUMRAT

Not a single thing you said was true.
There have been many posts on this site discussing the Warren ancestry topic in fact your own comment references it and it hasn't been deleted. I just searched twitter for #lordsprayer. There are all kinds of posts with it. A lot of sites ban guns? Really? Which sites because facebook, twitter and the other major social media outlets do not. Facebook, twitter, google all have algorithms searching for and taking down accounts from terrors and sexual predator accounts. Point me to the place in Twitter's policies where they "explicitly" authorize pedophiles?

#35 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2020-07-31 11:06 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Corky nails it again!

Thanks to Johnny Hotsauce for handing HELIUMRAT a well deserved kick in the ass! That douche is so full of crap he needs it regularly and you did a very good job of it. Kudos.

#36 | Posted by danni at 2020-07-31 11:26 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

There is no such thing as "cancel culture". There is free speech and there are consequences of such. You want to have your hateful and ignorant opinions then go ahead. No one is stopping you. Just don't be surprised when the rest of society says you have hateful, ignorant opinions and have no interest in hearing your stupid thoughts, giving you money or sharing a workplace with you.

#37 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2020-07-31 11:28 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This is where the party ends.
I can't stand here listening to you and your racist friend
I know politics bore you but I feel like a hypocrite talking to you and your racist friend
It was the loveliest party that I've ever attended. If anything was broken I'm sure it could be mended
My head can't tolerate this bobbing and pretending listen to some bullet-head and the madness that he's saying
This is where the party ends. I'll just sit here wondering how you can stand by your racist friend
I know politics bore you but I feel like a hypocrite talking to you and your racist friend
This is where the party ends. I can't stand here listening to you and your racist friend
I know politics bore you but I feel like a hypocrite talking to you and your racist friend
Out from the kitchen to the bedroom to the hallway, your friend apologizes, he could see it my way
He let the contents of the bottle do the thinking can't shake the devil's hand and say you're only kidding

- They Might Be Giants 1990

#38 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2020-07-31 11:34 AM | Reply

#35 What a total load of crap. RCade said he perma-ban the next person to question whether Warren had Indian blood. Then the truth came out and it's no longer banned. It was treated just like global warming denial here. And yes those things happened. You may have mot heard of it for conservative opinion gets banned and shadow-banned all the time. It happened to the creator of Dilbert. And yes the guns, Lord's Prayer, and pedo thing are happening. Now try to discuss Israel. You can spew all the hate you want - Hezbollah still has a twitter account - and nothing is done.

But cancel culture is more than just that, comrade - it's coming after peoples careers. Look at what just happened in Comicsgate. Look at
Hollywood.

#39 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2020-07-31 01:11 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#33

Oh, you want to debate your wish list? Feel free to do so, I won't stop you, which is the point of the article.

#40 | Posted by leftcoastlawyer at 2020-07-31 01:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Is America entering Orwellian territory?

Yes.

#41 | Posted by Sniper at 2020-08-01 01:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#40 Still can't answer the question...

But from your comment it can be inferred that the "ideas" not being debated are Nazism, Eugenics, Male superiority, Homosexual immorality, Muslim inferiority, that kind of thing.

These aren't ideas.
They're bigotry.
And there's no debate about it.

Only someone who is okay with those things would even suggest they are "ideas worth debating."

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-08-01 02:01 PM | Reply

snoofy, don't be a dweeb. The only way to combat those things is to leave them out in the open for all to mock in daylight.

If you force them into darkness, they just reinforce themselves without debate and grow stronger.

And that, kids, this is why commies hate an open society.

#43 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2020-08-01 05:44 PM | Reply

"The only way to combat those things is to leave them out in the open for all to mock in daylight."

^
Pretending Nazism is debatable is the very opposite of mocking it.

#44 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-08-01 05:58 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

snoofy, why do you hate a free and open society? Could it be... Hitler?

#45 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2020-08-01 06:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You say cancel culture, I say freedom to challenge lies and to withdraw support from liars and haters.

#46 | Posted by bored at 2020-08-01 06:36 PM | Reply

The government isn't stopping liars from lying, or haters from hating as long they aren't breaking laws.

#47 | Posted by bored at 2020-08-01 06:39 PM | Reply

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