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Friday, July 31, 2020

Trump frequently accuses the far-left of inciting violence, yet right-wing extremists have killed 329 victims in the last 25 years, while antifa members haven't killed any, according to a new study.

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Trump was referring to the protesters in Portland as terrorists yesterday.

He's desperate. The Right is desperate. And they're willing to willfully ignore crucial context when excoriating their perceived enemies.

#1 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-07-31 03:56 PM | Reply

First a definition of fascism:

Fascist societies rhetorically cast their enemies as "at the same time too strong and too weak." On the one hand, fascists play up the power of certain disfavored elites to encourage in their followers a sense of grievance and humiliation. On the other hand, fascist leaders point to the decadence of those elites as proof of their ultimate feebleness in the face of an overwhelming popular will.

Now, one Reddit user's perspective:

Go read any right leaning sub at any time of the day here on reddit. Somehow the "far-left" are simultaneously non working moms basement dwelling anarchist commie soy boys scared to come out in the sun while somehow maintaining an ironfist control over all the media in the world, running every commie corporation, ready to pounce and attack outside the front porch every red blooded fox news viewer, burning entire cities to the ground with no consequences, coordinating our government takeover with our Soros paychecks while drinking demon blood and eating ----- sizzler steaks and trying to give poor people healthcare.

Thats a tiring ideal to keep track of.


Anyone else see the parallels?

#2 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-07-31 03:59 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

Trump is hoping to win in November with a divide and conquer strategy.

He only needs to convince voters in three states to vote for him in order to secure his reelection.

#3 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-07-31 04:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Antifaschistische Aktion (German: [antifast' "aktsion]), commonly known under its abbreviation Antifa (German: [antifa]), was a militant anti-fascist organisation in the Weimar Republic started by members of the Communist Party of Germany (KPD) that existed from 1932 to 1933. It was primarily active as a KPD campaign during the 1932 German federal elections and was described by the KPD as a "red united front under the leadership of the only anti-fascist party, the KPD".[1] Under the leadership of the committed Stalinist Ernst Thlmann, the KPD viewed fascism primarily as the final stage of capitalism rather than as a specific movement or group and therefore applied the term to all other parties. The front focused largely on attacking the KPD's main adversary, the centre-left Social Democratic Party of Germany, whom they referred to as social fascists and regarded as the "main pillar of the dictatorship of Capital".[2]

In the postwar era, the historical organisation inspired new groups and networks, known as the wider Antifa movement, many of which use the aesthetics of the historical Antifaschistische Aktion, especially its abbreviated name Antifa and a modified version of its logo. During the Cold War, the Antifaschistische Aktion had a dual legacy in East Germany and West Germany, respectively. In the east, it was considered part of the history and heritage of the KPD's successor, the Socialist Unity Party of Germany. In the west, its aesthetics and name were embraced by West German Maoists and later autonomists from the 1970s.

en.m.wikipedia.org

I was reading this and realized how Bernie Sanders can be considered both a communist and a fascist (i.e., social fascist, Social Democratic Party, Democratic Socialist) in this country.

#4 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-07-31 04:29 PM | Reply

17 children dead so far in the riots.

Yesterday an Antifa roadblock stopped a man taking his wife in labor to a hopital.

Where do you guys get your news?

#5 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2020-07-31 05:01 PM | Reply

#5 | POSTED BY HELIUMRAT

Clearly not where you get yours.

Which is where? It should be easy to find attribution of 17 murdered children to Antifa, yet:

It looks like there aren't any great matches for your search [when searching for 'antifa seventeen dead children']
www.google.com

#6 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-07-31 05:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

BTW H-RAT -

You're question intimates that you didn't even click the link, let alone read the article or considered the study's methodology.

Why so lazy today?

#7 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-07-31 05:46 PM | Reply

#6 The last story I read it was fifteen. Since then a baby and a 7 y.o. taken off a ventilator.

Now see if you can find the "she's about to give birth" story about the roadblock. Try using duckduckgo.

#8 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2020-07-31 06:04 PM | Reply

Not bad for a four year old terrorist group shielded by the media that's suddenly 25. Also misses out on the deaths it causes in its riots.

#9 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2020-07-31 06:06 PM | Reply

HRat, trying to blame Antifa for those deaths is such complete chicken ----. Shame on you. That is really pathetic.

#10 | Posted by moder8 at 2020-07-31 06:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Not bad for a four year old terrorist group shielded by the media that's suddenly 25. Also misses out on the deaths it causes in its riots.

#9 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2020-07-31 06:06 PM | Reply | Flag: As stooopid as his cult leader

We have seen time and time again from police and the FBI that much if not most of the violence happening during the protests has been committed by or egged on by the Reichwing. I give you Minneapolis Hammer Guy as an example, a KKK member trying to create negative media for the BLM movement. There are lots of stories from police about the arrests of violent Reichwingers like the 3%ers for starting the violence, I see none about the left. No actual arrests of "Antifa" for violent acts. How about the FPS officer killed at the federal courthouse in Oakland? The Reich was quick to blame protesters or ---------ers since it was a drive-by but it turns out it was a Boogaloo Boi, a Reichwing anarchist. Likely a member of Cult45 and a Drumpf voter!

#11 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2020-07-31 06:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Likely a member of Cult45 and a Drumpf voter!
#11 | POSTED BY _GUNSLINGER_

Makes me wonder if the police are covering up for the murderous Antifa. Can't imagine why they would, though. Seems to be the only reason why Antifa members have not been arrested for murder.

#12 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-07-31 07:08 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Try using duckduckgo.
#8 | POSTED BY HELIUMRAT

OK. Done. Top result for 'antifa seventeen children killed' was this:

Antifa's Deadly Year Shows the Extremism on the Far Left | Opinion
www.newsweek.com

Which didn't attribute any direct killings to Antifa, just some violent folks who attributed themselves to Antifa. However, the first example of the opinion piece's author involved a man that was killed on a school campus after firing at school security over a disagreement regarding his firearm on campus (I thought conservatives wanted more fire arms on campus? I guess not when they are Antifa; you know, exceptions to the 2nd amendment sort of attitude). Problem is, he didn't kill anybody.

I'll keep looking though since this article was from December 2019. Antifa could have gone on a murder spree since then. I'll check.

#13 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-07-31 07:12 PM | Reply

I did find this further down on DuckDuckGo search of 'antifa seventeen children killed':

Antifa' Flyers Call For the Murder of White Children?
Flyers calling for the murder of white children were not created or distributed by an anti-fascist group.
The anti-fascist group Antifa created and distributed a flyer calling for the murder of white children.
Rated: False
www.snopes.com

Maybe you were mistaken by this? I dunno, H-RAT. Can you just link to where you heard about antifa murdering seventeen children? Google and DuckDuckGo are not helping. Maybe it's me, probably is, I'm already two IPAs deep on this early evening on Friday.

Please, help me out. I'll smoke some pot while I wait.

#14 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-07-31 07:15 PM | Reply

RUssiaRat talking out of his ass again.
He is a liar and a fraud.

#15 | Posted by a_monson at 2020-07-31 07:53 PM | Reply

Thanks for adding the chart, Rogers.

Really adds context.

#16 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-07-31 08:56 PM | Reply

This why the left usually loses civil conflicts no matter where.

#17 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-08-01 08:24 AM | Reply

Please, help me out. I'll smoke some pot while I wait.

#14 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11

You are gonna be smoking a long time before Ratty gives you any evidence of his propaganda.

That's how propaganda works! He can say outrageous things and You can't prove him wrong... by design.

Rumor is Ratty is a Russian troll.

No citation required.

#18 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-08-01 10:13 AM | Reply

This why the left usually loses civil conflicts no matter where.

#17 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

Trumps lies? Yea. They are tough to beat. You guys seem to love them.

#19 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-08-01 10:18 AM | Reply

#14 | Posted by rstybeach11

Try this:

duckduckgo.com

And don't bogart that joint.

#20 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2020-08-01 10:57 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

#20

You do realize Rat that nearly all the sites on the search prove the article's point right? What are you smoking?

Of course, nobody wants to mention the Bowling Green Massacre, so you have a point there.

#21 | Posted by bocaink at 2020-08-01 11:25 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Re 20

I viewed your link. There is no evidence there to to support your propaganda.

And seriously?

Your source is Tucker Carlson?

I am embarrassed for you ratty.

Pooty Poot don't pay for crap so easily debunked.

No Trumpy job for you!

#22 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-08-01 11:41 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

3,306 victims of right-wing extremism.

They forgot 9/11.

#23 | Posted by DarkVader at 2020-08-01 12:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

H-RAT-

This fits more to your narrative, than anything I could find:

Marilyn Mayo, senior research fellow for the Anti-Defamation League's Center on Extremism, said that statistics show that radical leftists have been dramatically less likely to kill people than their counterparts on the opposite side of the political spectrum.Over the past decade, extremists of every stripe have killed 372 Americans. 74 percent of those killings were committed by right wing extremists. Only 2 percent of those deaths were at the hands of left wing extremists. Mayo told us:

"I don't want to give moral equivalence to the two sides because one side is fighting against white supremacy. On the Antifa side, they've never murdered anyone but there have been many murders done by white supremacists, so we have to be concerned about that movement."

www.snopes.com

#24 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-08-01 02:26 PM | Reply

Rat,

I'll even give you partial credit on Dayton, although I think it's pretty obvious the guy was a nut who was planning on shooting up places since 2012, before "Antifa" was an embryo.

#25 | Posted by bocaink at 2020-08-01 02:31 PM | Reply

I guess this black man doesn't count as a casualty:

"The retired St. Louis police captain was shot to death early Tuesday during a violent night of protests in which four active St. Louis police officers were also shot. Dorn, who also served as police chief in Moline Acres, was 77, according to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch."

www.kiro7.com

This thread is crap.

#26 | Posted by zetaleph at 2020-08-01 09:19 PM | Reply

"I guess this black man doesn't count as a casualty"

That's what the Second Amendment is for: Killing tyrants.

Guns keep us safe.

#27 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-08-01 09:23 PM | Reply

#26

"I guess this black man doesn't count as a casualty:"

Not in snoofy's world. According to snoofy, he was one of those ebil right wing house slaves.

#28 | Posted by willowby at 2020-08-01 09:35 PM | Reply

Might as well add the 157,000 who perished due to Bunker Bitch's putrid coronavirus response.

#29 | Posted by Reinheitsgebot at 2020-08-01 09:41 PM | Reply

"According to snoofy, he was one of those ebil right wing house slaves."

A slave and a tyrant?
Kinky!

#30 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-08-01 09:46 PM | Reply

This thread is crap.
#26 | POSTED BY ZETALEPH

Take it up with the methodology.

Otherwise, your opinion is crap.

#31 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-08-01 09:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

ZETALEPH -

Further, your assertion that one murder could be attributed to antifa is quite telling when the study points to an original basis of 329 to 0.

As in, your assertion is now the ACTUAL tally is 329 to 1.

And your response is "This thread is crap."

More telling about your sense of proportion than it has to do with the legitimacy of concern regarding the topic of this thread, wouldn't you think?

Hmmmm...apparently not.

One single data point juxtaposed with 329 makes ZETALEPH's point loud and clear: ZETALEPH has no sense of proportion.

Hope you don't bother baking. If you do, must be a nasty, hot mess.

If ZETALEPH had any credible basis to make an argument, it would have been levied at the study's methodology. Instead, he points to a singular data point that, supposedly, undermines the legitimacy of the study and the discussion overall.

You know what, ZETALEPH, go ---- yourself. In this day and age of 'fake news,' you're clearly the problem. You deserve a swift kick in the ----.

#32 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-08-01 09:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"As in, your assertion is now the ACTUAL tally is 329 to 1."

Um, no it isn't. Dorn was just an easy example.

Spare us your faux outrage. I have plenty sense of proportion. That one lacking in any sense of proportion is you peddling a -------- statistic of 329-0. When called out you can't counter and instead lash out like a typical ------- leftist.

#33 | Posted by zetaleph at 2020-08-01 10:13 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

The problem of racism in this country,
is largely a white problem...
So is unhealthy fascination with guns...
So is lack of empathy for the poor...
So are racially motivated hate crimes...

I'm a white middle aged male in this country,
and can say all of this without doubt or
reservation...

White people need to lock up other white
people who just can't get beyond skin color.
Period.

#34 | Posted by earthmuse at 2020-08-01 10:33 PM | Reply

And p.s., I couldn't give a
Flying Goat --- what you think
about that...

#35 | Posted by earthmuse at 2020-08-01 10:35 PM | Reply

Communists: 80-120 million

making the Crusades look like Mario kart

#36 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2020-08-02 01:18 AM | Reply

#34 in all fairness as someone who was pretty deep into urban culture in the 1990s and early 2000s, gun culture is a multiracial issue, although I would agree that white people see it as less of a problem. I can't listen to Mobb Deep and say it's all Kenny Chesney's fault.

#37 | Posted by bocaink at 2020-08-02 01:24 AM | Reply

"urban culture"

Your odds of having a Thug Life tattoo just went way up. :)

#38 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-08-02 06:10 AM | Reply

Trump owns your brain. So sad. He will be gone in under 6 months. You will be damaged forever though.

My comment was to the topic.

#39 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-08-02 08:50 AM | Reply

"Trump owns your brain. So sad. He will be gone in under 6 months. You will be damaged forever though."

At the rate we are going that will mean 180,000+ more deaths from COVID. That will damage most Americans forever, at least the ones who can actually feel anything for the victims and their families. Folks like Trump and many Republicans can't feel those emotions so they will be unharmed.

#40 | Posted by danni at 2020-08-02 11:04 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"You will be damaged forever though"

We are just individuals. You can damage us and America will be fine. You can kill 200,000 of us and probably will. But democracy will still survive. But If we don't get rid of the cancer In the White House though I am not so sure democracy will survive.

#41 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-08-02 11:46 AM | Reply

"The retired St. Louis police captain was shot to death early Tuesday during a violent night of protests in which four active St. Louis police officers were also shot. Dorn, who also served as police chief in Moline Acres, was 77, according to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch."

www.kiro7.com

This thread is crap.

#26 | Posted by zetaleph at 2020-08-01 09:19 PM | Reply

Read through the entire article. I didn't see where that was attributed to either protesters or Antifa. So, you are making a presumption about who the looters were and what organization they may have belonged to, despite the fact we've already seen that many of the instances of violence at the protests were instigated by right-wing "boogaloo bois" and the like. We also know that, in general, looters are opportunists without any political motivation.

So, you've not yet shown a counter example. What you've shown _may_ be a counter example, but there is no actual evidence at this point, so not a very good data point.

Got any better examples where the perpetrator were actually known to be left-wing, no less Antifa? With actual evidence, not simple assertions. The article did point out that "left wing" violence accounted for 21 domestic deaths since 2010 as opposed to 117 from "right wing" violence, just none attributed to Antifa.

Where's the data to back your assertions?

#42 | Posted by StatsPlease at 2020-08-02 12:10 PM | Reply

Where's the data to back your assertions?

#42 | POSTED BY STATSPLEASE

Them deplorables don't need no stinkin data.

This is America where you can believe what you want to believe.

No citations necessary.

Anyway. It must true because Dear Leader has tweeted. And Dear Leader never tweets lies.

#43 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-08-02 12:18 PM | Reply

When called out you can't counter and instead lash out like a typical ------- leftist.
#33 | POSTED BY ZETALEPH

You are so ------- ignorant and limited in perspective. I'm not a ------- lib.

Take up your -------- with the methodology. Until you do, you're spouting nonsense.

#44 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-08-02 01:58 PM | Reply

#44 If you're not a Trumper you're a lib.

Welcome to the liberal side, Rsty!
Now, about your pronouns...

#45 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-08-02 02:01 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Where's the data to back your assertions?
#42 | POSTED BY STATSPLEASE

He has none. And he refuses to even approach the author's methodology, which to mean explains volumes.

#46 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-08-02 02:01 PM | Reply

I can think of two kids who got shot at CHAZ/CHEV for doing doughnuts in the parking lot, one killed the other critical. A couple in a car got killed pulling into that Wendy's parking lot where Tazer Guy got shot by the cops. Most of the two dozen or so deaths where beatings. . Over a thousand injured and tens of millions in property damage and the riots are "peaceful protests".

CNN used to call Antifa "heroes", and it still covers for them. Most of MSM is that way.

#47 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2020-08-02 06:23 PM | Reply

"CNN used to call Antifa "heroes", and it still covers for them. Most of MSM is that way."

It's gonna be hilarious when HeliumRat finds out the media has been calling cops and troops "heroes" since 9/11!

#48 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-08-02 06:40 PM | Reply

Now, about your pronouns...
#45 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

You GD bastard

hahaha

#49 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-08-03 02:19 AM | Reply

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