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Sunday, August 02, 2020

The coronavirus is spreading at dangerous levels across much of the United States, and public health experts are demanding a dramatic reset in the national response, one that recognizes that the crisis is intensifying and that current piecemeal strategies aren't working.

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Birx: U.S. has entered new phase of coronavirus pandemic
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...White House coronavirus task force coordinator Deborah Birx said Sunday on CNN that the U.S. has shifted into a new phase of the coronavirus pandemic, as infections have spread further into rural areas than in March and April.

Why it matters: Coronavirus infections in rural communities have surpassed the number of cases in big cities " and areas in the U.S. with fewer coronavirus testing sites were predominately rural as of May....



Unfortunately, the medical facilities in the rural areas may not have the capacity that may be needed.

#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-08-02 01:33 PM | Reply

300,000 dead Americans by November 3rd.

#2 | Posted by Zed at 2020-08-02 03:40 PM | Reply

300,000 dead Americans by November 3rd.

And Trumpublicans couldn't care any less.

Just ask the ones who post here daily.

#3 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-08-02 03:44 PM | Reply

And Trumpublicans couldn't care any less.

Just ask the ones who post here daily.

#3 | Posted by ClownShack at

Caring about American dead is disloyal to Trump.

#4 | Posted by Zed at 2020-08-02 03:55 PM | Reply

more undeniable proof:

www.youtube.com

#5 | Posted by AuntieSocial at 2020-08-03 05:03 AM | Reply

I suppose Trump is counting on a big headline in late October about a vaccine being approved by the FDA. It could happen even though the experts say it's more likely, if at all and pending the analysis of the trials turn out squeaky clean, the end of November ~~ with millions of vials not ready until sometime in 2022.

Trump would love to come riding home on a snow white pony before the election but with the public mistrust working against him, who would risk their life on the word of a pathological liar who is wallowing in desperation and self pity.

#6 | Posted by Twinpac at 2020-08-03 07:08 AM | Reply

Even if a vaccine were announced TODAY, the pandemic will still continue for more than a year, if not longer. First, if you think the anti-mask crowd has been loud and vocal, just wait until you see how many Americans will refuse to take any vaccine if/until its safety has been adequately proven over a substantial amount of time.

Trump will likely be threatening people to take it which will in turn cause many observant and intelligent people to pump the brakes since Trump's hunches and proclamations are as accurate as that of a stopped clock.

So no, the emergence of an effective vaccine will not save nor help Trump, it will only bring into focus his abject fatal failure in dealing with the virus up until that point, along with his 20,000+ lies throwing anything he says into immediate question, neither of which will work in his favor imo.

#7 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-08-03 07:52 AM | Reply

Re: #7 - THIS

FDA Officials Worried WH Will Cut Corners With Approving COVID-19 Vaccine Ahead Of Elections

Dr. Paul Offit, a member of the FDA's advisory panel for the vaccine, told the Times that "a lot" of those involved in the government's efforts to find the vaccine are "very nervous" about the White House bypassing standard processes of approving new drugs to churn out the crucial vaccine as soon as possible.

"They are really worried about that," Offit said of his colleagues. "And they should be."

#8 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-08-03 08:22 AM | Reply

So if a vaccine is right around the corner why the rush to send kids back to school? Why not wait until they all have been vaccinated? Americans have to bring vaccine records to register their kids for school but not for COVID19? Does it occur to anyone else that this is crazy?

#9 | Posted by danni at 2020-08-03 09:24 AM | Reply

I love this:

twitter.com

So be it, and be it so. Amen.

#10 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-08-03 09:34 AM | Reply

"a few other locations":

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

With the exception of New York & a few other locations, we've done MUCH better than most other Countries in dealing with the China Virus. Many of these countries are now having a major second wave. The Fake News is working overtime to make the USA (& me) look as bad as as possible!
7:46 AM Aug 3, 2020

Who ya gonna believe? Delusional Donnie or your lyin' eyes:

twitter.com

#11 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-08-03 09:56 AM | Reply

I fear the covid cases in NY could skyrocket again at any time, especially if/when schools reopen, but for now:

Five months since the first confirmed case of coronavirus New York, the state hit a record for most tests ever conducted in one day on Friday: 82,737. Of those, 0.91% were positive. That's 753 new cases statewide.

As of Friday:

Hospitalizations: 581
ICU patients: 147
Intubated patients: 72
Discharged: 73,134
New hospitalizations: 92
New deaths: 4
Death toll: 25,164

www.news10.com

#12 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-08-03 10:22 AM | Reply

First, if you think the anti-mask crowd has been loud and vocal, just wait until you see how many Americans will refuse to take any vaccine if/until its safety has been adequately proven over a substantial amount of time.

Don't underestimate their devotion to Dear Leader.

If "Trump says this is the best vaccine evuh! Big, beautiful vaccine like you've never seen before!" they'll all in line and get it.

My concern is that rushing to distribution could be the death knell for vaccination in our society. Anti-vaxxers are already a problem and if a rushed vaccine turns out to cause more harm than good it'll kill vaccinations as a valuable medical tool for at least a generation.

#13 | Posted by jpw at 2020-08-03 11:08 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

How many people die from flu yearly?
While the impact of flu varies, it places a substantial burden on the health of people in the United States each year. CDC estimates that influenza has resulted in between 9 million " 45 million illnesses, between 140,000 " 810,000 hospitalizations and between 12,000 " 61,000 deaths annually since 2010.

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#14 | Posted by AuntieSocial at 2020-08-03 11:33 AM | Reply

How many people die from flu yearly?

Those are estimates.

61,000 is a particularly bad year. Most are much close to 12,000.

We're already at 10x+ that number in CONFIRMED COVID deaths after 5 months.

#15 | Posted by jpw at 2020-08-03 11:38 AM | Reply

The threat hasn't risen. It's been there for months. The peoples' reaction is what changes on a constant basis. And states seriously should start getting better at their response.

"We're already at 10x+ that number in CONFIRMED COVID deaths after 5 months."

The "flu" as we have known it and its variants have been around for many centuries. It got a vaccine about 80-100 years ago. Covid is novel and has been around since, let's say January, which is 8 months. It's a new pandemic. I mean, anyone using such logic fail to equate the two as far as impact goes should be forced to go back to kindergarten. The impact should only be used for near-term risk analysis measuring (for now until we get a vaccine). This is how it's been done for decades now. The only thing that has changed is we live in a country where the loudest voices are the ones who think America is so great and entitled that nothing bad should ever happen to our country, even if it is impacting others.

#16 | Posted by humtake at 2020-08-03 01:13 PM | Reply

"It's a new pandemic."

So was Spanish Flu.

You're as stupid as the Spanish Flu non-believers were.

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-08-03 01:21 PM | Reply

"The threat hasn't risen."

Threat of what?
???

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-08-03 01:22 PM | Reply

Trump will blame Fauci and Birx for his complete failure. Count on it.

#19 | Posted by getoffmedz at 2020-08-03 02:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

if the boog a loo flu don't get you the Africanized Killer Bees will! run for your life!

#20 | Posted by AuntieSocial at 2020-08-03 02:39 PM | Reply

Dumb.

#21 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-08-03 03:00 PM | Reply

Dr. Fauci did admit that thy had to cut through a lot of red tape to get to Stage 3 of the trials so quickly but that no shortcuts would be taken to secure the safety and effectiveness of the vaccine.

I hope he's right because nobody trusts a word Trump and his appointed lackeys say.

It bothers me to know that laboratories are racing against each others. While we think of the vaccine as saving lives, they think of it in terms of $$$$

#22 | Posted by Twinpac at 2020-08-03 05:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Can't wait for the rushed vaccine to give me autism
LOL

#23 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2020-08-03 05:55 PM | Reply

I don't know about autism but it might fix those crossed eyes

#24 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2020-08-03 10:40 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

If and when a effective vaccine does get approved and goes into mass production (by the millions of vials), there's going to be in enormous demand all over the world.

A system of distribution will have to be created to prevent hoarding or, worse yet, prevent weaponizing like Trump did with the PPE's.

If the world is lucky, Trump will be out of business by 2022 when a vaccine, if all goes well, is expected to be ready for market.

#25 | Posted by Twinpac at 2020-08-04 02:34 AM | Reply

Everyone sing along...

"Obama, what we gonna do? Inject him with the Wuhan flu.

Hillary Clinton, what we gonna do? Lock her up like we used to do.

Fauci don't know his head from his ass. He must be smoking grass.

I ain't lying, it ain't no jokes. Corona is a liberal hoax.

Dr. Fauci, what we gonna do? Inject him with the Wuhan flu.

WHO, what we gonna do? Chop 'em up like the Saudis do,"

#26 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-08-04 09:21 AM | Reply

there's going to be in enormous demand all over the world.

#25 | POSTED BY TWINPAC AT 2020-08-04 02:34 AM | FLAG:

The plays to monopolize emerging supplies have already been made. Be happy we're rich (for now).

#27 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-08-04 09:31 AM | Reply

"61,000 deaths annually since 2010"

But COVID19 has killed 155,000 in just 5 months. So, by any reasonable calculation it is 5 times worse than the flu.

#28 | Posted by danni at 2020-08-04 10:05 AM | Reply

We are watching as they rush a vaccine to fool us into believing it will actually be safe and actually work. Russia is doing the same thing only even more irresponsibly and probably with even more tragic results. Sometimes I honestly wish Donald Trump wasn't Putin's bitch.

#29 | Posted by danni at 2020-08-04 10:07 AM | Reply

Democrats lost their credibility when it comes to advice on Covid-19 because they allowed and PARTICIPATED, FUNDED Protests, Rioting and Looting all across the country

#30 | Posted by Maverick at 2020-08-04 01:08 PM | Reply

Dr. David Katz was on Smerconish as I was driving home this evening. His research shows that there are likely around 40 million COVID cases in the US right now, based on antibody testing. Additionally, he believes that up to 50% of the country may be naturally immune to COVID based on any number of issues. That's based on anecdotal evidence from several sources, including the rates of infection and death on both the Diamond Princess and USS Theodore Roosevelt. In both of these cases, only about 20% of those closed populations became infected. He then went on to say that similar numbers were observed with riders on New York Subways.

He then went on to say that he believed that some places in the US had already reached the thresholds required to achieve herd immunity, NYC in particular. This would explain why both new infections and resulting deaths are so low in that state.

He finished up by saying that he believes the pandemic will be a different animal eight weeks from now, and that by the time a vaccine is available for public use, it may no longer be the necessity than many now view it as, and only really necessary for those with the collection of comorbidities that suggest they might die or become seriously injured by the virus.

#31 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-08-04 01:08 PM | Reply

"...only really necessary for those with the collection of comorbidities that suggest they might die or become seriously injured by the virus."

Why are you pretending we know about the long-term effects, when we're just starting to learn?

Most Recovered COVID-19 Patients Left With Heart Damage, Study Shows

A new study published Monday in the JAMA Cardiology Journal found that 78 percent of recovered COVID-19 patients had permanent heart damage. The study from the University Hospital Frankfurt examined the cardiovascular MRIs of 100 people who had recovered from the coronavirus. The heart images showed that almost 80 percent of recovered COVID-19 patients had structural changes to their hearts. Sixty percent of patients had ongoing myocardial (heart muscle) inflammation even after recovery. [...][ While the long-term effects of the virus remain unknown, these studies suggest that there are detrimental effects to cardiovascular systems to those infected, even after recovery. [...] Other early studies have indicated other possible long-term effects of the virus may include blood clotting, strokes, lung damage and neurological symptoms, such as loss of smell or taste.
www.newsweek.com

#32 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-08-04 01:47 PM | Reply

"Why are you pretending we know about the long-term effects, when we're just starting to learn?"

I didn't realize I was pretending to know anything. Only parroting what Dr. David L. Katz, an American physician and former director of the Yale-Griffin Prevention Research Center revealed on the Smerconish Show this afternoon.

And one of the points he was making is that a majority of people very likely have some natural form of immunity to the disease, for the reasons I outlined above.

He also cautioned that people should be careful, and not just assume they're likely immune, as that's not something that could ever be revealed through testing.

But the one thing he stressed is that he thinks the epidemic as we know it will transition into something else in about eight weeks, at least for the US. He was unwilling to speculate on what the next phase would look like.

#33 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-08-04 03:06 PM | Reply

31 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

I bet it'll be checkbox in the medical readiness dinq list

#34 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2020-08-04 03:06 PM | Reply

The other thing interesting that he pointed out that I didn't know was that, when it came to a virus, quantity mattered. I would have thought that if you were safe from one viron, you'd be safe from a billion virons. He doesn't think that's the case, and that the reason many healthcare workers dealing with COVID patients are dying is because they're being exposed to mass quantities of the virus regularly.

He also pointed out that obesity was one of the most critical, and controllable comorbidities when it comes to COVID. Fat people are more likely to become injured or die from COVID than those who are less fat. This could also explain why some minorities are harder hit, as Blacks (49.6%) and Hispanics (44.8%) tend to be more obese than whites (42.2%) or Asians (17.4%).

#35 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-08-04 03:17 PM | Reply

I would have thought that if you were safe from one viron, you'd be safe from a billion virons. He doesn't think that's the case, and that the reason many healthcare workers dealing with COVID patients are dying is because they're being exposed to mass quantities of the virus regularly.

Two things are important in that determination.

One, depends on how it's measured. If it's done by nucleic acid (genome) detection (the PCR test you get when they swab your nose) then it'll be way out of whack. Why? Because viruses all have what's called a particle to infectious unit ratio. Virus production is for a variety of reasons pretty inefficient. Some viruses will produce 1,000 non-infectious particles for every infectious virus. For those viruses you need to be exposed to at least 1,001 particles to, statistically, get dosed with an infectious virus.

Two, if it's measured by infectious dose then that too will vary depending on virus stability, route of infection, availability or access to target cells and status of the early (innate) immune response.

Anyways, I'm not sure how much weight to put on the "existing immunity" that's been described as it's only been one part of immunity called CD4 T cells that are present. Haven't seen any mention of CD8 T cells (really important for antiviral immunity) and B cells (produce antibodies). Certainly not enough to claim things will be massively different in 8 weeks...

#36 | Posted by jpw at 2020-08-04 05:15 PM | Reply

"I would have thought that if you were safe from one viron, you'd be safe from a billion virons."

The dose required for infection varies greatly from disease to disease.
With some diseases, a single particle can do it. For others, it's measured in the tens of thousands.

You've surely heard of MRSA, which is methicillin resistant variant of the widely prevalent staphylococcus aureus bacteria. There's a decent chance you have MRSA bacteria in your nose right now. The reason that MRSA in your nose doesn't give you a MRSA infection is because there's no way for it to get into your bloodstream.

Which is also why MRSA is a very serious concern for people getting plastic surgery nose jobs, because making an incision gives the MRSA that's probably already there an easy path into the bloodstream. I believe that's also why they now use clippers instead of shaving the area around a surgical incision, because the microabrasions from the razor provide a pathway for infection.

#37 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-08-04 05:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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