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Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Sunday, August 09, 2020

President Trump on Saturday attempted to bypass Congress and make dramatic changes to tax and spending policy, signing executive actions that challenge the boundaries of power that separate the White House and Capitol Hill.

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My first thought exactly. If congress has power of the purse, from where will the funds come?

#1 | Posted by LiquidCake at 2020-08-08 08:08 PM | Reply

He sure signs a lot of those Executive Orders, for someone who used to whine about the black guy doing it.

#2 | Posted by REDIAL at 2020-08-08 08:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Trump's goal is for Obama to only have signed 3/5 as many Executive Orders as Trump.

#3 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-08-08 08:49 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I think he's on pace to do that...

#4 | Posted by REDIAL at 2020-08-08 08:56 PM | Reply

He's already way outpaced President Obama on golfing.

#5 | Posted by REDIAL at 2020-08-08 09:01 PM | Reply

Terminating the tax debt incurred from no payroll taxes being collected from those that are working only IF HE gets reelected.Talk about running up the credit card to buy votes.He has gone way past the limit of executive orders and where is he getting all this money from without congress?

#6 | Posted by Scotty at 2020-08-08 10:05 PM | Reply

...and where is he getting all this money from without congress?

My bet is some "National Security" -------- fund.

#7 | Posted by REDIAL at 2020-08-08 10:16 PM | Reply

The Constitutionalists among us are rightly concerned about this power grab.

Pres Trump is probably acting in a reserved manner because he wants to get re-elected.

How will he act if his current behavior is confirmed in November?

Will we live in a Republic or a dictatorship?

#8 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-08-08 11:46 PM | Reply

#3

That's either a bald faced lie or sheer stupidity. Please tell me which.

#9 | Posted by willowby at 2020-08-09 12:02 AM | Reply

"That's either a bald faced lie or sheer stupidity. "

It's a reference to blacks being 3/5th of a person in the Constitution, Einstein.

So it's sheer stupidity...just not on Snoofy's part.

#10 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-08-09 12:27 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#10

I knew what he was referencing, idiot. My statement stands.

#11 | Posted by willowby at 2020-08-09 01:23 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I knew what he was referencing"

No you didn't. You would never have called it a bald-faced lie if you got the joke.

#12 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-08-09 01:32 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Wrong el stupido. With a race baiter like snoofy, that was easy. Not surprising an idiot like you would defend it.

#13 | Posted by willowby at 2020-08-09 01:43 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Wrong"

Of course you'll lie about that, too.

What a fekkin' moron.

#14 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-08-09 01:51 AM | Reply

#14

Weak, snoofy's sock puppet.

#15 | Posted by willowby at 2020-08-09 02:02 AM | Reply

#15

Good god you're dumb. How could Snoofy's sock puppet be here years before he was?

Stupid is as stupid does.

#16 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-08-09 02:09 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Hell's bells.

Snoof joined a week before I did.

My bad.

#17 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-08-09 02:12 AM | Reply

Suck it newb.

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-08-09 07:27 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

#17 & #18

Can't tell anything about old timers from join date. I was here a couple years before my join date. I took a sabbatical for a couple months and when I came back you had to register so now I look like a noob (seniority 44) because of those couple months when a ton registered.

#19 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2020-08-09 07:38 AM | Reply

#19 I was actually wondering about that myself. There's no way I only started posting here two years into the Iraq War. Danforth could well have been here first.

#20 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-08-09 07:41 AM | Reply

For some reason I thought Snoofy had only been here 5 years. I remember being here when you didn't need to register. I am guessing 2004.

#21 | Posted by byrdman at 2020-08-09 07:47 AM | Reply

Byrdman didn't you take a long hiatus or something?

I dunno maybe I took on a new tone five years ago.
I'm certainly not the same person I was in 2005.
Then again, neither is the GOP. Fifteen years ago, they were tickled pink to have John Roberts as Chief Justice. Now he's a libcuck beta to them.

#22 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-08-09 07:49 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Yes I did. The constant stupidity of Trump got me back into it. I got more and more frustrated by him and even more frustrated by his followers.

#23 | Posted by byrdman at 2020-08-09 07:56 AM | Reply

Sorry bro. Feels bad man. Maybe you should have clapped when ol' Jeb said "Please clap."

#24 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-08-09 07:59 AM | Reply

I used to think we were better off as one nation but Now I wonder how that is even possible anymore. It used to be people wanted what was best for America but went out about it different ways. Now they want very different things. I would like it if one day the liberals got half the country and the conservatives got the other. Both sides stated what they were all about and you moved to what side you wanted to support.

#25 | Posted by byrdman at 2020-08-09 08:01 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Seems Piglosi and Schmukie Chucky have been trumped, pun intended. They got greedy and thought they could hold up the republicans and get everything they wanted, instead they painted themselves into a corner.

#26 | Posted by gtjr at 2020-08-09 08:50 AM | Reply

#21

Registration started May 2005, Pretty sure I was here as early as 2001 since I seem to recall protesting the Patriot Act but perhaps it was more of post-passing bitching. I know the job I was at when I started here and I worked there from June 2001-March 2005 so it was somewhere in that window, it is also the reason I stopped posting during the early days of registration.

As far as two countries goes that is a terrible idea. The core strength of our system was always the need to compromise the problem recently has been two fold, one we have had way too many instances of single party power where compromise was not required to accomplish things. The second factor being neither side being willing to compromise so nothing gets done except when one party has power to push their thing through. Of course that feeds resentment and reinforces the dig in your heals my way or the highway mindset. However the solution to that is not to simply split the country it's to elect people who won't be whinny infants who's solution to problems is to take their ball and go home. Now the trick is to find those people to elect in the first place (probably the only positive I see in Biden)

Back to the topic:

I see this as a typical Trump move of doing nothing while being able to appear that he did something. When nothing comes of it he will crow about what he tried to do for people and how the liberals are just mean and don't want him to have any successes even if it hurts people. When in reality, the fact is he doesn't have the power to do this and it will be thrown out by the courts. Really the only effect this will have is to add more confusion to the issue.

However if the democrats were smart they would immediately take these orders up as a bill in the house, pass it and send it to the senate. Then if the senate didn't pass it they could steal Trumps thunder about how it's the liberals that are the problem and make it into the conservative senate is the problem. They could also hype how they tried to do the same thing as Trump except doing it legally.

#27 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2020-08-09 09:03 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

As far as two countries goes that is a terrible idea. The core strength of our system was always the need to compromise the problem recently has been two fold, one we have had way too many instances of single party power where compromise was not required to accomplish things. The second factor being neither side being willing to compromise so nothing gets done except when one party has power to push their thing through. Of course that feeds resentment and reinforces the dig in your heals my way or the highway mindset. However the solution to that is not to simply split the country it's to elect people who won't be whinny infants who's solution to problems is to take their ball and go home. Now the trick is to find those people to elect in the first place (probably the only positive I see in Biden)

Read the comment by GTJR. Do you want to live near somebody like that? I don't want to. These people are the anchors of this nation. Once they are expelled we can move forward.

#28 | Posted by byrdman at 2020-08-09 09:12 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Read the comment by GTJR. Do you want to live near somebody like that?"

You probably do already.

I learned a long time ago online personas here are just online.

Many folks who post here would be dead if they acted like their online persona would indicate.

And to the division we are experiencing?

I will always maintain much of it's staged. Even now. Staged by the media.

Trump is temporary.

It will get better.

#29 | Posted by eberly at 2020-08-09 09:30 AM | Reply

#28

I live in NC. Boaz used to work about 7 min from where I work. I think GTJR is also in NC. My direct supervisor is a huge Trump fan, 2 co-workers listen to Beck, Rush, and Hannity on the daily in the office, and there is no point in complaining to management because they agree with the opinions. So yeah I'm fine with living near folks like that. We get along OK mostly.

#30 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2020-08-09 09:41 AM | Reply

#29

I hear people at their most candid. I caption phone conversations for the hard of hearing and interview people about their economic situation. Hundreds of unfiltered conversations a week for one job and unfiltered discussions about the economy at the other.

You are the one in the bubble Ebs. I know better.

Two countries is a great idea.

#31 | Posted by bocaink at 2020-08-09 10:15 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I remember being here when you didn't need to register. I am guessing 2004."

Same here. I used to sign everything DanforthRepublican, since he was the politician I most identified with. When handles became required, I simply shortened it to Danforth.

And for the record, I've never had a sock puppet, nor ever will.

#32 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-08-09 10:38 AM | Reply

14 years and counting.

I don't think I have committed 14 years to anything.

The DR is the biggest commitment I ever had in my life.

Oy vey!

#33 | Posted by bocaink at 2020-08-09 10:48 AM | Reply

Two countries is a great idea. #31 | POSTED BY BOCAINK

It is antithetical to the idea and promise of America. Eberly is right, it will get better, eventually.

#34 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2020-08-09 10:52 AM | Reply

#30 | POSTED BY TAOWARRIOR

I also live in NC, in the Triangle. I have a few friends that I can no longer talk to because they keep spouting known Russian propaganda they got from social media.

#35 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2020-08-09 10:57 AM | Reply

#3

That's either a bald faced lie or sheer stupidity. Please tell me which.

#9 | POSTED BY WILLOWBY

I agree. It's gotta be a lie. No way Trumpy the killer clown can do fractions.

#36 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-08-09 11:02 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

I knew what he was referencing, idiot. My statement stands.

#11 | POSTED BY WILLOWBY

You're supporting the gutting of the Constitution by the most unworthy POTUS imaginable.

You have no grounds to call somebody else an idiot.

You have no grounds to speak, -------.

#37 | Posted by jpw at 2020-08-09 12:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#26 | POSTED BY GTJR

Another ignorant piece of ---- who's cheering the destruction of our country.

GFY.

#38 | Posted by jpw at 2020-08-09 12:06 PM | Reply

We get along OK mostly.

#30 | POSTED BY TAOWARRIOR

Probably because you don't complain.

Historically, people don't get a long so well when one side's views are enforced by a dictator, especially one as shallow and vapid as Trump.

#39 | Posted by jpw at 2020-08-09 12:09 PM | Reply

the dems are playing donald perfect. the president just gave away alot more money and all the dems had to do was say "no" and he gave it away.

#40 | Posted by visiter at 2020-08-09 01:27 PM | Reply

Trump is temporary.
It will get better.
#29 | POSTED BYEBERLY

^
You sound like a convict sentenced to four or maybe eight years. Though I still think Stockholm Syndrome is a better explanation for the defense mechanism you've constructed.

Because you still can't blame your precious GOP for nominating Trump, electing Trump, and failing to impeach Trump. You have to believe it was all Trump. You have to pretend the GOP didn't line up to support Trump every step of the way.

No, Trump is just a thing that happened, like the weather. Eventually this too shall pass, but until then, its it's completely beyond your party's control.

You are one sad, sick puppy, Eberly. The kind Michael Vick used to have. Abused, neglected, desperate, and with nowhere to turn.

The GOP didn't leave Eberly... and Eberly didn't leave the GOP.

You're the Tammy Wynette of the Drudge Retort, Eberly.

If you've ever wondered why abused women don't just leave their husbands, go look in the mirror.

#41 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-08-09 01:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Now that 'the people' have been told what the president is attempting to do, please dems, do bock his Executive Orders through the courts as I am sure that will be a winning strategy for the dems in the coming election..... ; )

#42 | Posted by MSgt at 2020-08-09 02:00 PM | Reply

Now that 'the people' have been told what the president is attempting to do, please dems, do bock his Executive Orders through the courts as I am sure that will be a winning strategy for the dems in the coming election..... ; )
POSTED BY MSGT

No urgent need to block it in courts. Trump set the precedent with this EO to make a sweeping announcement to forgive federal student loan debt or deploy resources to combat climate change.
Careful what you wish for ;~)

#43 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2020-08-09 02:20 PM | Reply

#42 | POSTED BY MSGT

Hey idiot, that's the point.

He's banking on people only seeing what they're not getting in allowing his unconstitutional actions to go ahead.

You are letting him usurp a Congressional power because you'd rather see him elected than Biden. Afraid he won't win based on his record?

#44 | Posted by jpw at 2020-08-09 02:33 PM | Reply

#39

I don't complain but I do call them out when they are saying particularly stupid trump talking points.

Usually in a fairly brutal verbal smack down that shuts them up for a day. Every once in a while I've even managed to change an opinion but that is rare.

#45 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2020-08-09 02:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

that is what happens when there is no compromise. same thing Obama did, of course nobody wants to talk about that. it is not like the president did not tell the congress what he was going to do, he made it perfectly clear that congress needed to do something to protect those that were having a hard time. Pelosi figured she would not budge causing the republicans' to cave. Trump set her up and she called his bluff now demorats are painted into a corner. Guess he wasn't bluffing.

At the end of the day the president was the one that stepped up and took care of those that are struggling, demorats just used them as pawns to get what they wanted. i wish congress would, as you suggest, take his EO's and pass a bill mirroring them nobody on either side likes this constant bickering, but demorats have to understand they are in the minority and sometime it is better to work for the good of the country rather than try to force your agenda through.

#46 | Posted by gtjr at 2020-08-09 02:58 PM | Reply

No, just somebody cheering that at least one person in DC has the interest of those struggling to pay their bills at heart. that is what it is really about and the demorats have failed, but then they are the party of the rich so it is understandable.

#47 | Posted by gtjr at 2020-08-09 03:04 PM | Reply

Dems want $600 a week, repubs want $200 a week, ------- pretends like he is giving them $400 a week

And ---------- act like it is ------- and the Repubs who want to help the struggling

#48 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-08-09 03:07 PM | Reply

BTW

www.msn.com

He is ordering a payroll tax deferral, not a cut, meaning the taxes won't be collected for a while but they will still be due at a later date.

On housing, he instructs key officials to "consider" whether there should be a ban on evictions.

He also insists that state governments pick up the tab for some of the unemployment aid.

#49 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-08-09 03:09 PM | Reply

Again, details, details, details.

1. He delays payroll tax collection for those making under $104,000
Trump instructs the U.S. Treasury to halt collection of payroll taxes from Sept. 1 through Dec. 31 for workers who earn under less than $4,000 every two weeks (that's people earning under about $104,000 a year).

Think about this for a minute. What ------- is doing is deferring what you pay in taxes. Not eliminating them, deferring them. Meaning, come next April, you will be hit with those taxes. Of what? around 12.4% of your income or around 3.1% of total yearly income will now be due in April 2021.

As someone who isn't tied to a paycheck and who pays quarterly taxes, let me tell and warn you. This will slam people next April. People, who are not used to quarterly payments will not plan appropriately and suddenly get hit with a larger tax bill.

2. Unemployment aid is (sorta) extended at $400

Democrats want to continue at the $600 a week level. Republicans proposed $200. They have yet to agree.

------- calls for only 75% of this to paid by feds, the rest by cash strapped states. ALSO the money he will use comes from $44Billion for disaster relief, you know floods and hurricanes and tornadoes and massive fires. (Not like we are in hurricane season or anything). Which, oh, btw, is pretty much the entire DRF.

OH and $44 billion would cover less than five weeks of payments for 30 million unemployed Americans.

#50 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-08-09 03:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

3. Top officials can consider' halting evictions

This does not prevent evictions or provide any relief, it only instructs TOP OFFICIALS to "consider"

Indy knew what this means.

www.youtube.com

#51 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-08-09 03:24 PM | Reply

The House passed the HEROES Act 3 months ago! Providing enhanced UI, help for local and state governments, funding the USPS, and more.

Republicans had loads of time to negotiate in advance of the bottom falling out from under the unemployed.

Instead, like they did with a 'health insurance replacement,' they had nothing after years of whining about the PPACA, and tried to cobble together some last minute crap.

#52 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-08-09 05:16 PM | Reply

I didn't stutter Gnoles,

Two.Countries.

It will not get better anytime soon.

#53 | Posted by bocaink at 2020-08-09 05:50 PM | Reply

We can build diplomatic relations and maybe seek to reunify. Every long term plan in my life has been intentionally derailed by Republican policies. From the State Department in 2000 to the recession that put me out of business in 2008, to the pandemic that rendered my move to Las Vegas for tourism research consulting.

Every step of the way they have been against me. I never took a dime of public assistance beyond the Earned income credit twice and the last stimulus check. My entire life has been plan B directly because of these cretens.

I'm over them.

#54 | Posted by bocaink at 2020-08-09 05:56 PM | Reply

It will not get better anytime soon. #53 | POSTED BY BOCAINK

Depends on the timeframe of "soon." Older generations, those who complain about society morphing into something they don't understand, are aging off.

America only has to outlive their jaded political temper tantrums and adverse reactions to technology and society moving on from their pre-1970s mindsets.

#55 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2020-08-09 06:00 PM | Reply

#55. No, because you voted for Trump, proving yourself wrong, GoNoles.

#56 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-08-09 06:02 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Allegedly lol

#57 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2020-08-09 06:04 PM | Reply

You going to lie to yourself for your whole life or just through your thirties and forties?

#58 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-08-09 06:09 PM | Reply

#55

I just chronicled 20 years dude!

I'm not a freaking redwood tree.

#59 | Posted by bocaink at 2020-08-09 06:13 PM | Reply

I'm surprised how many people fall for GoNoles reformed act.

He's still the same goon as he was. He's just sad that he's not winning as much as he wanted to.

I haven't heard a single thing out of his mouth that changes my opinion of his character as a man.

#60 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-08-09 06:21 PM | Reply

changes my opinion of his character as a man.
#60 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Hey look, snoofy thinks his opinion matters, LOL.

#61 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2020-08-09 06:32 PM | Reply

Thanks for demonstrating my point, GoNoles.

Enjoy your Republican zero sum outlook on life, where you can only find pleasure in somebody else's suffering.

#62 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-08-09 06:41 PM | Reply

America isn't splitting apart. Texas isn't seceding, neither is California. DC isn't becoming a state, neither is Puerto Rico.

If Trump wins in November, America will fail.

I have spoken.

#63 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-08-09 06:50 PM | Reply

I have spoken. #63 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

This is the way.

#64 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2020-08-09 06:51 PM | Reply

you can only find pleasure in somebody else's suffering.
#62 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

You have my permission to get off deeze nuts.

#65 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2020-08-09 06:53 PM | Reply

:)

#66 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-08-09 06:54 PM | Reply

The smile was for "this is the way".

#67 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-08-09 06:55 PM | Reply

#26

"Seems Piglosi and Schmukie Chucky have been trumped, pun intended."

Leave the idiotic posts to the donnerboy/snoofy left. They've basically cornered the market on juvenile posts.

It's Pelosi and Schumer to rational adults.

#68 | Posted by willowby at 2020-08-09 07:46 PM | Reply

Leave the idiotic posts to

People who insist Joe Biden has dementia while ignoring the latest incoherent babbling mush that Donnie delivered.

Thankfully you got us covered.

#69 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-08-09 09:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#69

Joe's warp speed descent into dementia has nothing to do with Trumps problems. That's another subject.

#70 | Posted by willowby at 2020-08-09 09:39 PM | Reply

"Joe's warp speed descent into dementia has nothing to do with Trumps problems."

Which you refuse to admit.

"That's another subject."

Which you refuse to address.

Screech on.

#71 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-08-09 10:04 PM | Reply

It's Pelosi and Schumer to rational adults.

#68 | POSTED BY WILLOWBY

I got the whole "childish" nicknames shtick from Humpy Trumpy.

So what you are saying then is that Humpy Trumpy is not a rational adult.

Yeah. Thanks Captain Obvious.

We already knew that.

#72 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-08-09 10:14 PM | Reply

#72

No, he's not a rational adult. Why do channel him posting like an infant?

#73 | Posted by willowby at 2020-08-09 10:58 PM | Reply

"I got the whole "childish" nicknames shtick from Humpy Trumpy."

You sure as Hell didn't get it from the United States Marine Corps. Marines don't need a "shtick", much less a childish one.

#74 | Posted by willowby at 2020-08-09 11:04 PM | Reply

It's Pelosi and Schumer to rational adults.
#68 | POSTED BY WILLOWBY

Where were you during the 0bama/Nobama days broski?

#75 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-08-09 11:17 PM | Reply

#75

Never went there. I'm 63 years old and act like it. Calling people by something other than their name, is infantile stupidity. As Jim Rome would say, have an actual take and don't suck.

#76 | Posted by willowby at 2020-08-09 11:29 PM | Reply

"Calling people by something other than their name, is infantile stupidity."
~Willowby

"Dementia Joe"
~also Willowby

"Wrong el stupido"
~Willowby again

"soccer loving moron"
~more Willowby

""Hymie town" Jackson"
~ditto

At least you got the infantile stupidity part correct.

#77 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-08-09 11:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#76

We need the manual buzzer option.

AAAAAAHHHHH!!!!

#78 | Posted by willowby at 2020-08-09 11:50 PM | Reply

#77

Is Dementia Joe a poster here?

Response to an insult from you. You're always danforth when a name is involved.

Soccer loving moron? Generic term for those idiots.

Jesse Jackson actually said that. Does he post here?

#79 | Posted by willowby at 2020-08-09 11:56 PM | Reply

"Is Dementia Joe a poster here?"

Did you limit your claim to posters here? No? Then you're just moving the goalposts after your hypocrisy has been exposed.

#80 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-08-10 12:03 AM | Reply

I'm officially limiting it to posters, even though dementia Joe is an accurate description. Should have made it clear from the outset for feeble minded people like you.

#81 | Posted by willowby at 2020-08-10 12:10 AM | Reply

#80

You have a point. I'll quit calling him dementia Joe. I'll just mention that Joe Biden is creating a shock wave with the speed he's slipping into dementia. About 1.4 on the old mach meter.

#82 | Posted by willowby at 2020-08-10 12:15 AM | Reply

"Response to an insult from you. You're always danforth when a name is involved."

What a farkin' riot. Your defense is basically you don't do it, except when you do it, and when you do it, it's "cause Jimmie did it first".

"I'm officially limiting it to posters"

Put those goalposts back where you found them when you're done.

"Should have made it clear from the outset for feeble minded people like you."

Thank God you aren't infantile, and call people names. And BTW, feeble-minded is a hyphenated word.

#83 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-08-10 12:18 AM | Reply

Gave you the goal posts. My fault for nor clarifying them in the first place.

"And BTW, feeble-minded is a hyphenated word."

Lame. Not part of my doctoral thesis

#84 | Posted by willowby at 2020-08-10 12:30 AM | Reply

^Is "troll" part of your doctoral thesis? Apparently, yes it is.

#85 | Posted by e1g1 at 2020-08-10 12:40 AM | Reply

"Not part of my doctoral thesis"

Yet the perfect self-retorting retort.

#86 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-08-10 12:45 AM | Reply

No, just somebody cheering that at least one person in DC has the interest of those struggling to pay their bills at heart. that is what it is really about and the demorats have failed, but then they are the party of the rich so it is understandable.

#47 | POSTED BY GTJR

This is why the US will be a failed state.

It's populated by stupid people who are so stupid they think "reality teevee" is real and, in turn, elect a "reality teevee star" to the real life position of President of the United States and then fall for transparent political ploys like the Republican's fake "we tried but they won't negotiate" theatrics.

SMDH

#87 | Posted by jpw at 2020-08-10 12:51 AM | Reply

Think about this for a minute. What ------- is doing is deferring what you pay in taxes. Not eliminating them, deferring them. Meaning, come next April, you will be hit with those taxes. Of what? around 12.4% of your income or around 3.1% of total yearly income will now be due in April 2021.

Think about it from Trump's point of view.

If it goes unchallenged legally or survives legal challenges, it will be a way for Trump to say "see, I told you I'm looking out for you" when suddenly the Treasury decides you don't owe the taxes.

If it loses legal challenge or he loses the election the it's a final giant f--- you to the populace who will be a year into the pandemic in even more dire economic straights than then are now.

#88 | Posted by jpw at 2020-08-10 12:55 AM | Reply

Joe's warp speed descent into dementia has nothing to do with Trumps problems. That's another subject.

#70 | POSTED BY WILLOWBY

Dementia isn't a rapidly occurring disease.

This from a poster who watched their grandmother die from advanced Alzheimer's that took more than a decade to, shall we say, culminate.

The supposed "warp speed decent" is little more than you being told what label to apply and then, as expected as a good little sycophantic cultist idiot would, applying it.

#89 | Posted by jpw at 2020-08-10 01:50 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

And since you'll probably whine about my "juvenile" post here, here's some real information on the condition you're making light of for political points.

www.dementiacarecentral.com

Piece of ----.

#90 | Posted by jpw at 2020-08-10 01:52 AM | Reply

Remember when Obama was exercising 'tyranny' and a 'dictator' for signing executive orders?

They were certainly nothing compared to some of Trump's, which are actually usurping power from a co-equal branch of govt.

#91 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-08-10 06:06 AM | Reply

Once again the republicl0wns are holding unemployment hostage just like when they did the last tax cut to the rich during the Obama administration.

#92 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2020-08-10 09:40 AM | Reply

Bet willowby did not know that lying is a sign of dementia.

"Lying is a normal symptom of dementia, and it happens for many reasons. Most of the time, lying is merely a symptom of the disease and not intentional deception. Lying, or untruths, may occur at any stage of dementia, but this symptom generally is more common among seniors with mid- to late-stage dementia and can worsen as the disease progresses. "

"Seniors living with dementia are aware their memory is slipping away, and this leads to a great deal of confusion and turmoil. Many times, lying is just an unconscious defense mechanism called confabulation, which means your loved one is unconsciously replacing his or her lost memories with false ones."

Telling these untruths is often a way of preserving their dignity and trying to fit into the situation.

Willowby, Your loved one, Trumpy, has lied over 20,000 times trying to preserve his lost dignity. The dignity he lost long ago. Probably in Moscow. We don't know. But it could have been probably was Moscow. Could have been Ukraine. But probably Moscow. They have tapes. Thats what people are saying.

I don't know. But If my dad hired stormtroopers and beat and gassed fellow Americans just to walk across the street to hold a bible upside down I would definitely have him checked for dementia.

#93 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-08-10 10:31 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Oops. Link for 93.

www.homecareassistancejeffersonco.com

#94 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-08-10 10:32 AM | Reply

-Telling these untruths is often a way of preserving their dignity and trying to fit into the situation.

If Trump had been known for his scruples and morals prior to now, then this dementia thing might have some relevance.

But since we know better, there is no real reason to think his lying has anything to do with his health condition.

From my office, I can point to individuals in their 30s and 40s who lie as a way to "preserve their dignity and fit into the situation".

They don't have dementia

#95 | Posted by eberly at 2020-08-10 10:35 AM | Reply

Commander in Confabulation.
The Confabulator.

Interesting Eberly.

Reading that and thinking about Mary Trump's diagnosis, I think this is a defense mechanism from all the abuse Trump suffered as a child. He has no ability to tell the differnce between truth and lies, and his mind has been trained from childhood to invent scenarios where he is always right. His statement that he's never asked for forgiveness (from God or anyone) now makes sense.

This is a very broken, damaged man.

#96 | Posted by YAV at 2020-08-10 11:05 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So Trump doesn't have dementia, he's just naturally this stupid? I think that's probably worse.

#97 | Posted by JOE at 2020-08-10 11:10 AM | Reply

They don't have dementia

#95 | POSTED BY EBERLY

We appreciate your unconfirmed anecdote. Have they lied 20,000 times? Even when they don't need to? I doubt it. We have a real example of dementia in our TVs practically every day.

Regardless. It is beyond stupid to claim Biden is spiraling into dementia and then ignore the demented fool sitting in the White House bragging that he can point to the elephant in the picture.

#98 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-08-10 11:13 AM | Reply

"It is beyond stupid to claim Biden is spiraling into dementia and then ignore the demented fool sitting in the White House bragging that he can point to the elephant in the picture."

It's a strategy obviously. It's hypocritical at the least but voters are so stupid this kind of propaganda can work.

#99 | Posted by eberly at 2020-08-10 11:20 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

It's a strategy obviously. It's hypocritical at the least but (TRUMP) voters are so stupid this kind of propaganda can work.

#99 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Oops! You left one word out.

FTFY

Because it's not working for anyone else. In fact, "this kind of propaganda" actually killing Americans.

And this is unforgivable.

#100 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-08-10 11:32 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"Because it's not working for anyone else"

Trump voters, while deserve to be called stupid, are not refusing to vote for Biden over his alleged dementia. They are not voting for Biden because he's not trump, or doesn't have an "R" after his name.

the propaganda I'm referring to is specifically being utilized on independents.

#101 | Posted by eberly at 2020-08-10 11:53 AM | Reply

"And this is unforgivable."

The concept and virtue of "forgiveness" is pointless in national politics.

#102 | Posted by eberly at 2020-08-10 11:53 AM | Reply

"The concept and virtue of "forgiveness" is pointless in national politics."

Except for Democrats.

The same folks who try to shame Biden for smelling a woman's hair are the ones silent when Trump brags about grabbing the short-and-curlies.

#103 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-08-10 01:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"They don't have dementia"

They have Republican values.

#104 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-08-10 01:57 PM | Reply

Remember when Republicans were angry at Obama for deciding to target criminal illegal immigrants rather than law abiding ones because Reagan issued similar orders?

Now we have Trump doing whatever he wants and not a peep.

#105 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-08-10 03:27 PM | Reply

The concept and virtue of "forgiveness" is pointless in national politics.

#102 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Must be real nice on planet denial.

Our whole political system has been turned into a revenge machine. Republicans cannot forgive democrats for obama and democrats will never forgive republicans for trump.

Trumps whole campaign was based on undoing everything Obama did.

Biden's strategy is to be the anti trump.

Instead of building on any progress we have made becoming a more perfect unto on Trumpy has sworn to destroy it and tear it all down. And build a wall around it.

Because Trumpy cannot forgive.

And how do you forgive 300,000 Americans deaths from someone who does not seek forgiveness?

When you know large portion of those deaths could have been avoided by doing simples thing? Things other countries have done and prove that work These deaths appear to be caused by criminal negligence. I don't forgive that. Not without some kind of acknowledgement of the crime.

I tell you what. I will TRY and forgive Trumpy and the Deplorables when they apologize.

But. Honestly. I think it's too late to just apologize.

I guarantee it is for at least 163,000 of us.

#106 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-08-10 04:07 PM | Reply

"Must be real nice on planet denial."

you post the above, then go on to make my exact point for me.

That you, and nobody else really, will ever forgive the other side for anything......ever.

The only example I can think of someone asking for forgiveness was when the RNC apologized for the Southern Strategy.

www.huffpost.com

All that did was generate more division.

Nobody gave a ---- about the apology. It was viewed as pandering to gather votes.

There was no point in apologizing and admitting what you did was wrong.....except to selfishly attain some nefarious goal.

#107 | Posted by eberly at 2020-08-10 04:15 PM | Reply

Republicans cannot forgive democrats for obama and democrats will never forgive republicans for trump.

Most asinine equivalence i've ever seen.

#108 | Posted by JOE at 2020-08-10 04:21 PM | Reply

#108 Agreed. That comparison is an insult to Trump.

#109 | Posted by rjm53 at 2020-08-10 04:31 PM | Reply

0/10 trolling attempt

#110 | Posted by JOE at 2020-08-10 04:51 PM | Reply

It wasn't a troll post. I was being serious.

#111 | Posted by rjm53 at 2020-08-10 05:17 PM | Reply

It wasn't a troll post. I was being serious.

In what way was that comparison an insult to Trump? It was far too GENEROUS to him.

That you, and nobody else really, will ever forgive the other side for anything......ever.
If someone says they voted for Trump and they won't do that again, and that they're voting for Biden, all is forgive with me. Even if they aren't voting for Biden but voting against Trump. If you're a Trump-lover to this day I don't' have any respect for you. None. Zilch.

The only example I can think of someone asking for forgiveness was when the RNC apologized for the Southern Strategy.
I loved Melman's confession and the earnest way he delivered it. Then the Republicans shot him, killed his message, denied it, and went full racist by putting Mr. Golden Escalator up as their candidate for President. The GOP is the party of racists. That's why Republicans that have a soul have left it.

Trump tries to use Lincoln, his aura, the shine of a great man in his time, to obscure his racism, his bigotry. That's why I applaud the Lincoln Project for helping preserve and prevent the tarnishing of Lincoln.

Trump is a despicable POS. Scum. The world will be a better place when he's run out of the WH.

#112 | Posted by YAV at 2020-08-10 06:03 PM | Reply

"They don't have dementia"
They have Republican values.

#104 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2020-08-10 01:57 PM

Often indistinguishable!

#113 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-08-10 06:06 PM | Reply

"If someone says they voted for Trump and they won't do that again, and that they're voting for Biden, all is forgive with me"

Well then you're bigger than 10 men, Yav. But even the voter you're describing doesn't care for redemption.

They voted for him in the first place, right? What info were they missing at the time they did that? I'm describing friends of mine who voted for him, defend him now, and will vote next time for him as well as folks who won't vote for him next time.

Despite what's in your heart, on the whole....forgiveness means little.

#114 | Posted by eberly at 2020-08-10 06:12 PM | Reply

It wasn't a troll post. I was being serious.

#111 | POSTED BY RJM53

More's the pity that you are an irredeemable deplorable.

#115 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-08-10 06:18 PM | Reply

Eberly, forgiveness (for me) is a gift I give myself. It's not for someone else. That person doesn't even need to know I forgive them. What matters is being able to engage with them, talk to them, even befriend them. That's easiest when I've acknowleged in my heart we're all imperfect and they have learned like I have so many times before.

If someone's changed, sees a mistake, understands that their "message vote" didn't work, that Trump's not good for America, why would I hold a grudge? Seems silly and counter productive to me.

#116 | Posted by YAV at 2020-08-10 07:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Forgiveness is all about removing the poison from one's own heart before it toxifies the soul.

#117 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-08-10 07:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

That is an insight that I find way too rare, Laura. Nice.

#118 | Posted by YAV at 2020-08-10 07:48 PM | Reply

Forgiveness is all about removing the poison from one's own heart before it toxifies the soul.
#117 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

This.
Forgiveness is for the forgiver, not the person being forgiven.
Like when Eberly forgives the GOP for anointing Trump. That helps Eberly. The GOP doesn't care.

#119 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-08-10 08:05 PM | Reply

"forgiveness (for me) is a gift I give myself. It's not for someone else. That person doesn't even need to know I forgive them"

True wisdom right there, Yav.

#120 | Posted by eberly at 2020-08-10 08:25 PM | Reply

"It wasn't a troll post. I was being serious."

A serious troll.

When Obama made unconstitutional moves, you complained Obama was acting unconstitutionally.

When Trump made unconstitutional moves, you complained Obama acted unconstitutionally in the past.

Now...tell us again how you're not a partisan hack.

#121 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-08-10 08:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#121 - THIS.

#122 | Posted by YAV at 2020-08-10 08:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Eberly.
It took a lot to get to the point I could understand that.
I still fail too often at it.
Thank you.

#123 | Posted by YAV at 2020-08-10 09:00 PM | Reply

#111 Upgraded to 1/10.

#124 | Posted by JOE at 2020-08-10 09:11 PM | Reply

Keep upgrading it because I was dead serious. Obama was a debacle who inherently despises the country he was elected to lead.

#125 | Posted by rjm53 at 2020-08-10 09:13 PM | Reply

Jeff is a cancer on the body politic. No doubt about that.

#126 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-08-10 09:19 PM | Reply

"Obama was a debacle who inherently despises the country he was elected to lead."

If Republican morons didn't have projection, they'd be left with nothing.

Once again, Jeff has expended more paragraphs on Obama, than keystrokes on Trump's unconstitutional behavior. It's become obvious the partisan shill is not really bothered by unconstitutional behavior, as much as he's bothered by Democrats and blacks.

He's the hack's hack.

#127 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-08-10 09:24 PM | Reply

#125 - The fact that you actually believe that, Jeff, is really sad.
It indicates a genuine sickness in you. A sickness you've chosen to feed, again and again.
And now it has consumed you.

I didn't believe that about Bush II. I don't believe it about Trump. Trump just doesn't care one whit about America past what he can get out of it financialy and as a legacy.

To say Obama dspised and despises America shows a level of detachment from reality I can't explain.

#128 | Posted by YAV at 2020-08-10 09:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

George W. Bush sat through the 9/11 attacks, lied us into Iraq, twiddled while Katrina slammed New Orleans, and the stock market crashed on his watch.

-------, is, well, -------. He mocks the disabled (and that is his best trait).

Obama tried to give all Americans health insurance.

Executive Orders:

43 George W. Bush Republican 291 13198"13488 8 36.4 January 20, 2001 " January 20, 2009
44 Barack Obama Democrat 276 13489"13764 8 34.6 January 20, 2009 " January 20, 2017
45 Donald Trump Republican 180[1] 13765 and above 3.55 50.7 January 20, 2017 " present

------- is on pace to issue around 400 EOs if he gets a 2nd term.

Republicans are scum.

#129 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-08-10 09:27 PM | Reply

I have zero respect for Gunga Dimwit (JeffJ)

#130 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-08-10 09:30 PM | Reply

I don't care for B. Hussein or much of his policies, but to suggest he 'inherently despises' America is simply foolish and distinctly telling.

Go home, JEFF. You're drunk.

#131 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-08-10 09:31 PM | Reply

Gunga Dimwit is pathetic, he was booted from this website. He then crawls back to play his sorry played out games.

Go away Gunga, you're not wanted here.

#132 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-08-10 09:34 PM | Reply

Keep upgrading it because I was dead serious.

Nah, it's still 1/10 bait. If you're actually not trolling your IQ is below 85.

Your choice.

#133 | Posted by JOE at 2020-08-10 09:35 PM | Reply

Obama was a debacle who inherently despises the country he was elected to lead.

#125 | POSTED BY RJM53

The ridiculous attempts to slime Obama just never end.

Maybe Obama was not our best president but he certainly was not the worst. Not even close actually. And it's absurd to claim he hates America. If he hates it so much why does he stay here? It's a big planet. I hear he has relatives in Kenya. And them socialists in Europe love him. Obama was one of our better Presidents. Obama got us here. Obama has staked his place in history and you cannot undo that. Trump stood on his shoulders and took it from there. Right into the ditch.

It took 8 years for Obama and democrats to clean up Republicans messes and pull the ship of state out of the ditch the Republicans had left it in. They even got Obamacare passed. In spite of Republicans.

And now trump has driven us right back into that ditch at warp speed. And he is still trying to muck up what health care improvements democrats managed to achieve.

One thing Impeached Trumpy will always be remembered for is the death toll you see clicking upwards every night on your tv. If you can stand watching it anymore.

#134 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-08-10 09:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"It took 8 years for Obama and democrats to clean up Republicans messes and pull the ship of state out of the ditch the Republicans had left it in."

The most telling aspect was when Mitch Romney gave all kinds of lofty goals for his presidency, and Obama beat all of them. Did any Republicans give him props for that? Of course not. They would've been lining up to lick Mitt Romney's taint, but they're not about to give Obama one single piece of credit.

Tribalism over country, every single damn time.

#135 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-08-10 10:02 PM | Reply

"Mitch Romney gave all kinds of lofty goals for his presidency, and Obama beat all of them"

Maybe Eberly can admit that's true.
None of the other Republicans here can, though.

#136 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-08-10 11:51 PM | Reply

"If you're actually not trolling your IQ is below 85."

An IQ test would reveal a lot about a lot of people here.

#137 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-08-10 11:57 PM | Reply

"#125 - The fact that you actually believe that, Jeff, is really sad.
It indicates a genuine sickness in you. A sickness you've chosen to feed, again and again.
And now it has consumed you."

It's also an addiction.
He was told to quit the DR, but he Just. Can't. Stay. Away.

#138 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-08-11 12:21 AM | Reply

One doesn't seek to "fundamentally transform" something he loves.

#139 | Posted by rjm53 at 2020-08-11 03:42 AM | Reply

#139 - www.politifact.com

Context.

#140 | Posted by YAV at 2020-08-11 06:56 AM | Reply

Bill O'Reilly after challenging Obama on the quote that was taken out of context: "I think -- I -- you know, I know you think maybe we haven't been fair, but I think your heart is in the right place."

Even O'Reilly got it.

#141 | Posted by YAV at 2020-08-11 07:13 AM | Reply

TY, Yav. Very informative in context:

"Now, Mizzou, I just have two words for you tonight: five days. Five days. After decades of broken politics in Washington, and eight years of failed policies from George W. Bush, and 21 months of a campaign that's taken us from the rocky coast of Maine to the sunshine of California, we are five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America.

"In five days, you can turn the page on policies that put greed and irresponsibility on Wall Street before the hard work and sacrifice of folks on Main Street. In five days, you can choose policies that invest in our middle class, and create new jobs, and grow this economy, so that everyone has a chance to succeed, not just the CEO, but the secretary and janitor, not just the factory owner, but the men and women on the factory floor."


#142 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-08-11 07:26 AM | Reply

Thanks Gal.
I don'y know how you read that and come away thinking 'Wow! This is a man "who inherently despises the country he was elected to lead"'

#143 | Posted by YAV at 2020-08-11 07:44 AM | Reply

I don'y know how you read that and come away thinking 'Wow! This is a man "who inherently despises the country he was elected to lead"'

Me neither. And that's why some people end up concluding racism is a factor. I'm not saying JeffJ is a racist, but I can understand why some people would reach that conclusion in the absence of any other obvious reason for his POV.

#144 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-08-11 08:04 AM | Reply

One doesn't seek to "fundamentally transform" something he loves.
#139 | POSTED BY RJM53

This is a great example of how Conssrvatism is really just "resistance to change, for resistance's sake."

And it's also demonstrably false.

Do you love TV?
Did you oppose HDTV, because it fundamentally transformed the way TV is broadcast?

Do you love the Constitution?
Do you oppose all Constitutional Amendments, because they fundamentally transform the Constitution?

Do you love your children?
Did you teach them to speak, read, write, fundamentally transforming their minds?

You have a genuine problem.
You simply can't stop lying to yourself.
You can't even tell when you're lying to yourself.
If you ever murder someone, you have an outside shot at an insanity defense, because you can't tell right from wrong.

#145 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-08-11 12:16 PM | Reply

I don'y know how you read that and come away thinking 'Wow! This is a man "who inherently despises the country he was elected to lead"'
#143 | POSTED BY YAV

A racist reads that and comes away thinking "Wow! This is a black man."

JeffJ's entire concept of America was fundamentally changed with the election of a black President.

Everyone's was.

#146 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-08-11 12:31 PM | Reply

One doesn't seek to "fundamentally transform" something he loves.

Trump's entire political movement is built on a near-constant stream of claims by him of how awful it is in America. Once again - your position is laughably stupid.

#147 | Posted by JOE at 2020-08-11 01:45 PM | Reply

One doesn't seek to "fundamentally transform" something he loves.

I take it you don't love your children as you "fundamentally" change them from children into adults?

Though it's much more likely that you actually don't have any children that you love.

#148 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-08-11 01:53 PM | Reply

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