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Friday, August 14, 2020

The US Postal Service plans to remove hundreds of high-volume mail-processing machines from facilities across the country, leading some postal workers to fear they may have less capacity to process mail during election season.

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With Trump's defunding of the postal office and now this revelation, I truly fear this will turn out to be the lowest voter turnout we've seen in a long time. Which would harm Biden immensely.

This is really where Uber, Grubhub, Lyft etc. can come in to help. Setup a ballot pickup/delivery option among their drivers' bonus system. Don't rely on the mail, rely on humanity.

California would benefit from this, but we clearly shot ourselves in the foot with the likes of Uber.

Just imagine the publicity, though: "Uber saves the election!"

#1 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-08-13 04:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The United States Postal Service is removing mail sorting machines from facilities around the country without any official explanation or reason given"

Trump is staging a form of coup, as predicted four years ago.

IF the man is re-elected, he will not be legitimate.

#2 | Posted by Zed at 2020-08-13 04:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

That being said, this would only be a problem for voters who waited until the last minute to send back their ballots. If mail-in ballots are sent and returned over a period of weeks instead of days, it is unlikely, the postal workers said, to stress the machines even if some are taken away. "We would have the capacity to run the volume of ballots that are expected if we have it in a longer period of time." He likened it to flattening the curve of coronavirus. Now, he said, Americans have to flatten a different curve.

To the extent possible, mail in your votes early or let Trump/GOP steal your vote. This kakistocracy isn't going to decommission itself.

#3 | Posted by censored at 2020-08-13 06:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#3 | POSTED BY CENSORED

A drop off system should be considered. If the 'mail' part is the Repubs concern, let remove the mail part entirely and rely on a pickup/drop off service. No processing necessary, save for the ballot itself at the voting precinct.

#4 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-08-13 06:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#4 I would support that. Long before the Internet the USPS did that On April 15th each year. Staffed drop off areas in their parking lots for people to drive up and drop off their tax returns.

#5 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2020-08-13 06:19 PM | Reply

#4 I would support that.
#5 | POSTED BY GRACIEAMAZED

Yaaay!

:)

#6 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-08-13 06:21 PM | Reply

"If you can't see what's happening here, I don't know what to tell you," CNN legal analyst Elie Honig, a former federal and state prosecutor, told Law&Crime. "Trump has made clear that he will pull every lever of power available to him " legal, borderline, or illegal " to prevent mail-in balloting this fall."
lawandcrime.com

#7 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-08-13 06:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Republicans have yet to even raise an eyebrow over any of this.

#8 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-08-13 06:34 PM | Reply

Republicans have yet to even raise an eyebrow over any of this.

They will though, just as soon as their constituents figure out that Trump's perverse machinations are behind their slowed mail and package deliveries from Amazon and everywhere else.

I receive quite a bit of products now through the mail especially with covid. Since my job keeps me on my laptop most of the time during business hours, I have tabs for all the delivery tracking services. I began noticing that packages whose end delivery was thru the post office suddenly were sitting in distribution centers for days when they used to be processed within hours of their arrivals. I started seeing longer delivery dates for mail coming from companies I always use but I never gave much thought to the reason why. Just today I received a package that actually arrived in my city 3 days ago but only was delivered to my carrier this morning.

This might be a tipping point issue for many red state Republicans who're still planning on holding their noses and voting for Trump again. If their packages, letters, and medicines start arriving significantly later than normal and Trump's electoral fingerprints are all over these unnecessary delays, on top of his covid disaster, this may really drive his popularity below his former floor.

I just can't see GOP reps and Senators ignoring their constituents' complaints should they come in in droves. This is very personal and Trump may have finally screwed with his base in a way that is going to cost him. Though they may not vote for Biden, I can see more than a few not voting for Trump because of this.

#9 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-08-13 06:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

let remove the mail part entirely and rely on a pickup/drop off service. No processing necessary, save for the ballot itself at the voting precinct. #4 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11

So I'll have to drive 15 hours to drop off my ballot within my voting precinct?

#10 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2020-08-13 07:05 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Republicans are worse than scum

#11 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-08-13 07:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

So I'll have to drive 15 hours to drop off my ballot within my voting precinct?
#10 | POSTED BY GONOLES92

You're getting what you voted for.
Normally, people are happy when they get what they wanted.
Work on that.

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-08-13 07:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

So I'll have to drive 15 hours to drop off my ballot within my voting precinct?
#10 | POSTED BY GONOLES92

What's the alternative? Vote by mail?

Pffft. Ha!

/s

#13 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-08-13 08:02 PM | Reply | Funny: 5

It's almost like there is some kind of conspiracy...but that's not possible. There are no conspiracies.

Right?

/S

#14 | Posted by billy_boy at 2020-08-13 08:06 PM | Reply

Rsty already has this at drudge.com
Somehow I missed it when I checked the back page.

#15 | Posted by YAV at 2020-08-13 08:13 PM | Reply

Maybe the postal service can have a job action just around election time, go on strike and have a lockout.

#16 | Posted by Charliecharles at 2020-08-13 08:48 PM | Reply

The mail is slow. Purposefully. Items we're expecting are taking WAY longer than a couple of weeks ago.

What Trump has his lackey, DeJoy, doing is criminal. A felony, as a matter of fact.

#17 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-08-14 09:01 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Well, they're certainly not making the USPS more efficient, which is the usual justification for privatization.

#18 | Posted by jpw at 2020-08-14 09:36 AM | Reply

#9 | Posted by tonyroma

Exactly. I personally thought nothing of it at first. I had a package sit in a Metro Detroit sorting facility for 2 weeks. I was beginning to think it was lost. Then I started hearing similar stories from everyone. Then you start to read. Zero overtime, cut, cut, cut everywhere and now simply removing machines? Without a valid reason? W the actual F. This is what you get when you put an anti-Postal Service person in charge (even though he has a vested interest via his subcontracted shipping company)

#19 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2020-08-14 09:47 AM | Reply

He's not just anti-USPS. He's making sure voting is suppressed, that ballots don't get sent out, don't arrive back and can't be counted. This is an attempted wholesale takeover of our Republic by a tyrant/autocrat and his myrmidons.

We can't turn into Belarus.

#20 | Posted by YAV at 2020-08-14 10:06 AM | Reply

Smarter voters will hand deliver their ballots to their local City Hall or County Courthouse. My wife and I live two blocks and a large parking lot away from BOTH. Our City Hall has a locked drop box on the outside of the building next to the main door. Isn't your right to vote worth a bit of effort?

#21 | Posted by john47 at 2020-08-14 10:32 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#21 - that's good for you, and I've already offered to take my sibling's in and drop it off along with mine.
We don't have drop-boxes, you can dtop it at the County Election office (30 minutes by car for me).
Otherwise you have to mail it or drop it off at an early voting location. You can NOT drop it off the same day voting is happening. Early voting locations close before election day. There are also fewer early voting locations than voting precincts, so plan ahead.

Also postmarks don't count. If the ballot isn't in hand, it's disqualified.

PLEASE check out the restrictions and rules for your State and County prior to the election and make sure you understand the requirements to ensure your vote counts!

(I'm going to post this on the nooner, too, becuase after responding and doing the research it's something everyone should know).

#22 | Posted by YAV at 2020-08-14 11:15 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

There are no conspiracies.

Right?

/S

#14 | POSTED BY BILLY_BOY

Of course there are conspiracies.

Trumpy conspired with the Russians and is probably still conspiring with them. ( but no collusion!)

But we have figured Trumpy out. If he accuses you of a conspiracy you can bet he is doing whatever he is accusing others of. So if he accuses democrats of election fraud you can bet that is exactly what he is planning.

But in this case Trumpy is coming right out and telling you what the stable genius is doing. He is undermining the election process in order to suppress the vote. Right in front of you. And he is daring you to do anything about it.

#23 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-08-14 11:29 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

As it solely regards the USPS, I sit here perplexed as to why intelligent people allow the Republicans to insist that the Post Office must be run as a profitable entity. Just where in the U.S. Constitution does it say that? The USPS is what its name says a postal SERVICE not a postal business.

There is no business genius in the universe that can create a mail delivery service that by mandate has to deliver to each and every address within this nation 6 days a week. There is no human way that this can be done at an affordable cost AND with the frequency demanded. Our founders knew this, and the service was never designed to be a profit-making venture.

Why do you think that all the private delivery carriers use the USPS for end delivery outside of their predetermined routes? Because they'd lose money if they did it like the USPS!

Our Post Office is national service, a national treasure, and a national asset of unquestioned value towards all of our economic ends and goals. What it isn't is a traditional business and it never should have been considered one in the first place. The value our nation receives from the Postal Service far outweighs whatever support it receives beyond the revenue that it brings in.

#24 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-08-14 12:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

They better hope it works.

It is a federal crime to delay the mail.

Whoever knowingly and willfully obstructs or ------- the passage of the mail, or any carrier or conveyance carrying the mail, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 778; Pub. L. 103"322, title XXXIII, 330016(1)(B), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2146.)

Anyone who participates is delaying the mail in order to undermine the election process for Trumpy will be held accountable if Biden wins.

I guaranGawdDamnTee it.

#25 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-08-14 12:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Regardless of who you intend to vote for how can you support anyone that intentionally wants to make it harder for you to vote?
A question Trump supporters need to ask themselves but won't because they are ideological masochists. They would rather suffer, economically, emotionally, etc. rather than vote against the drama queen who is presently pretending to be a President while, due to his arogance 160,000 people are already dead. By Election day it will be well over 200,000. Sorry, I do feel the pressure, I am very afraid I might be one of them.

#26 | Posted by danni at 2020-08-14 12:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Our Post Office is national service, a national treasure, and a national asset of unquestioned value towards all of our economic ends and goals. What it isn't is a traditional business and it never should have been considered one in the first place. The value our nation receives from the Postal Service far outweighs whatever support it receives beyond the revenue that it brings in."

Totally true but we should not forget the Postal Service receives no funds from the general revenue, it is entirely self supporting. That is why the Republican put the poison pill in legislation requiring the Service to fund retirement pensions out 75 years which costs the Postal Service 5 billion dollars a year though they are funding pensions for people who haven't even yet been born. They knew what they were doing at the time, they were simply trying to make it easier to convince America to privatize our Postal Service. A stamp will rise in price to $5.00 instead of $0.50 cents and Trumpies are too stupid to even object.

Disagree with me all you want Trumpies but your choice to pay triple or quadruple of even more for postage, as is the intent of banrupting and then privatizing the post office, will be the result of your support for greedy Libertarians like TRump. I can honestly say Benjamin Franklin wouold be ashamed of you.

#27 | Posted by danni at 2020-08-14 12:52 PM | Reply

"Anyone who participates is delaying the mail in order to undermine the election process for Trumpy will be held accountable if Biden wins."

While I might agree with your sentiment the reality is that a Biden administration will not seek retribution on those opposed to him. That's what Trumpies do, not what good Democrats do. Perhaps we should but we just don't, and I am proud of that.

#28 | Posted by danni at 2020-08-14 12:54 PM | Reply

Probably has nothing to do with the volume of mail dropping every year since 2000 and gains in productivity due to automation. Online bill pay much?

#29 | Posted by visitor_ at 2020-08-14 01:10 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

29

I've been waiting for someone to point that out.

Even during several highly contested republican primary races where I live, my mail was very small loads.

#30 | Posted by eberly at 2020-08-14 01:12 PM | Reply

I don't know when the changes to pension system were made, but it was long enough ago only that only someone with TDS would blame Trump. Why didn't Joe make postal pension reform a priority, he's only been in government 40 years?

#31 | Posted by visitor_ at 2020-08-14 01:13 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I don't know when the changes to pension system were made, but it was long enough ago only that only someone with TDS would blame Trump. Why didn't Joe make postal pension reform a priority, he's only been in government 40 years?

#31 | Posted by visitor_

You could google it but I'll save you the trouble - the changes were made during the last corrupt incompetant republican administration, who also wanted to destroy the postal service but for different reasons.

#32 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-08-14 01:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

29

I've been waiting for someone to point that out.

Even during several highly contested republican primary races where I live, my mail was very small loads.

#30 | Posted by eberly

Tell us honestly, do you REALLY BELIEVE that this crippling of the mail service has nothing to do with the election?

#33 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-08-14 01:21 PM | Reply

So add this to the list of nothing that Joe did in his 40 years of "service".

#34 | Posted by visitor_ at 2020-08-14 01:24 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

So I'll have to drive 15 hours to drop off my ballot within my voting precinct?

You can travel for 15 hours within your voting precinct?

Even Key West to Pensacola doesn't take 15 hours so perhaps you'd like to rephrase.

#35 | Posted by JOE at 2020-08-14 01:29 PM | Reply

33

no. I don't believe anything yet.

Everybody has an agenda here.

Trump? yes....big and obvious agenda.

everyone quoted in this article? postal worker union leaders who are seeing a decline in their membership and the removal of machines means fewer workers in the future. They have an agenda as well. If they can point to potential election fraud as an excuse to draw attention to this and force the machines back and perhaps even employ more people....that's a good move for them, I suppose.

This could be exactly what you want to believe it is...an attempt by Trump to delay/lose the mail-in votes that could make the difference in swing states.

#36 | Posted by eberly at 2020-08-14 01:32 PM | Reply

the removal of machines means fewer workers in the future

Wouldn't removal of machines require more hand-sorting which means more employees?

#37 | Posted by JOE at 2020-08-14 01:41 PM | Reply

37

maybe...but I suspect it means less mail requiring fewer machines and fewer people operating them.

#38 | Posted by eberly at 2020-08-14 01:46 PM | Reply

You think people will send less mail because the USPS got rid of a few machines? Interesting.

#39 | Posted by JOE at 2020-08-14 01:48 PM | Reply

Probably has nothing to do with the volume of mail dropping every year since 2000 and gains in productivity due to automation. Online bill pay much?

#29 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

That's actually mentioned in the article.

Also, how does it make sense that in response to gains made by automation you remove the automation and massively delay delivery or degrade efficiency of delivery?

#40 | Posted by jpw at 2020-08-14 01:49 PM | Reply

since package volume is up and mail volume is down, removing underutilized machines occupying valuable floor space makes sense. Naturally the left objects.

#41 | Posted by visitor_ at 2020-08-14 01:59 PM | Reply

While I might agree with your sentiment the reality is that a Biden administration will not seek retribution on those opposed to him. That's what Trumpies do

#28 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2020-08-14 12:54 PM |

I absolutely agree!! That is why we have strong lineup. Trumpibunkerboi done castrated his party. Then he made them publicly beg to get to play whitehouse with him.

The clown brigade is now the party of elite barrows, capons and geldings... even the mouthy teascrot Ted Cruz was made to publicly eat his own nuggets.
When you ask a liberal the best thing about the Trumpibunkerboi admin it is when he made Cruz eat his own grapes... and I gotta say in some sick
dark dark reality it almost makes it worth it... finding the sunshine in these trying times...

The party of the pathetic

wee wee wee

#42 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2020-08-14 02:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#41 Yeah it's not like they're about to see tens of millions of additional pieces of mail in the next few months. I'm sure the timing of reducing their ability to properly and timely manage that influx is totally a coincidence, bro!

#43 | Posted by JOE at 2020-08-14 02:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-You think people will send less mail because the USPS got rid of a few machines? Interesting.

no. I think people are sending less mail because they are sending less mail. If you are unaware of those underlying reasons...well then...just wow.

Perhaps the USPS is looking a decade long trend, examining where they they think they'll be in a few years and taking proactive steps to position themselves such so they can operate as efficient as possible.

If these moves were happening at any other time, you wouldn't be here pretending to be so dumb.

#44 | Posted by eberly at 2020-08-14 02:06 PM | Reply

"since package volume is up and mail volume is down, removing underutilized machines occupying valuable floor space makes sense. Naturally the left objects."

That is the most ridiculous claim ever made here. You should be afraid to ever make another post because that one was so ridiculously dumb. Floor space? What an idiot. You are a joke. But not a good one. A really, really dumb one.

#45 | Posted by danni at 2020-08-14 02:06 PM | Reply

Danni, what don't you understand about floor space? and that it costs money?

#46 | Posted by eberly at 2020-08-14 02:08 PM | Reply

since package volume is up and mail volume is down, removing underutilized machines occupying valuable floor space makes sense. Naturally the left objects.

#41 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

Then why again is the mail slowing down? Under a Republican administration?

It worked just fine when Democrats were running the country (just four short years ago). So are you trying to claim that conservatives are just incompetent? That it LOOKS like corruption, but in reality it is just that conservatives are incapable of doing anything efficiently and effectively?

#47 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2020-08-14 02:12 PM | Reply

The postal system is used to peaks in volume, they happen every year.

#48 | Posted by visitor_ at 2020-08-14 02:12 PM | Reply

"no. I think people are sending less mail because they are sending less mail. If you are unaware of those underlying reasons...well then...just wow."

Actually Americans aren't sending less mail. Yes we pay our bills online and use email all the time but if you opened my mailbox there are always flyers for stores, and recently hundreds of advertisements for politicians. I actually use the post office for mass mailings, like about 50,000 people, the bill for the postage is $25,000 or so. The post office also serves the company I work for with package delivery with at least ten items shipped per day via USPS. I just renewed m contribution to WLRN (NPR) yesterday by mail. I heard a commentator say yesterday that since Trump won't fund the USPS that the one thing we could all do is just go buy a book of stamps. That would help them immensely and it's an affordable way to negate his efforts to kill a service created by Benjamin Franklin which is in our Constitution.

#49 | Posted by danni at 2020-08-14 02:14 PM | Reply

"tens of millions of additional pieces of mail in the next few months."

Okay, fair enough...but they handle nearly 150 Billion pieces of mail annually......so keep that in mind when you like to think "tens of millions" is a big number.

and perhaps most of you don't know the USPS doesn't own most of the buildings they operate in.

Most are privately owned and leased to the USPS.

The USPS pays rent....so the space does cost money.

#50 | Posted by eberly at 2020-08-14 02:14 PM | Reply

Then why again is the mail slowing down? Because package volume is up.

#51 | Posted by visitor_ at 2020-08-14 02:15 PM | Reply

Perhaps the USPS is looking a decade long trend, examining where they they think they'll be in a few years and taking proactive steps to position themselves such so they can operate as efficient as possible.

Under an administration that deserved the benefit of the doubt, that post wouldn't have made me laugh so hard.

If these moves were happening at any other time, you wouldn't be here pretending to be so dumb.

The timing is the entire point, genius. Anyone who wanted a smooth election would err on the side of caution and not get rid of mail sorting machines before a nationwide vote expected to involve millions of mail-8' ballots due to the -19 pandemic. Why not get rid of them in December?

#52 | Posted by JOE at 2020-08-14 02:15 PM | Reply

*mail-in

sheesh

#53 | Posted by JOE at 2020-08-14 02:16 PM | Reply

"Actually Americans aren't sending less mail."

www.npr.org

#54 | Posted by eberly at 2020-08-14 02:19 PM | Reply

"Danni, what don't you understand about floor space? and that it costs money?"

Show me some evidence that eliminating sorting machines is actually reducing floor space and saving money. The argument about the Postal Service is a false argumnet. The Postal Service is and always has been self supporting. Please tell me of any other self-supporting company or agency of the government that will deliver a first class letter from one coast to the other coast for 55 cents. The efficiency and cost consciousness of the USPS is not even in question. No. these Republican/Libertarian a******s are trying to kill a very efficient and well run organization just because they don't want Americans to vote by mail and you know it. These decisions aren't really based on cost savings, they are based on trying to slow down our mail and make us believe voting by mail is unfeasible.
There are states that have gone totally vote by mail who are suing right not and they are going to win because these attempts to disrupt the USPS are UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
Inconvenient fact for Republicans....the USPS is in the Constitution. States can take cases directly to the SC and I honestly can't see even the Conservative members of the court finding that efforts like Trump's to prevent the processing of the mail can succeed.

#55 | Posted by danni at 2020-08-14 02:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The timing is the entire point,"

ya think?

#56 | Posted by eberly at 2020-08-14 02:22 PM | Reply

What is all the hubbub over mail in voting about?
Did walking into a voting booth go away? After all this time?
I plan to walk in and yank on Kanye.

#57 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2020-08-14 02:23 PM | Reply

Well, we polled Danni and she hasn't reduced her mail usage so the postal service must be mistaken about their volume drop.

RR Donnelly must be in on this conspiracy because they've closed many of their direct mail and billing statement printing facilities.

#58 | Posted by visitor_ at 2020-08-14 02:28 PM | Reply

"States can take cases directly to the SC and I honestly can't see even the Conservative members of the court finding that efforts like Trump's to prevent the processing of the mail can succeed."

I agree, which is why I'm not sold entirely this is being done to steal an election.

I believe Trump would do anything to win but this is too obvious.

#59 | Posted by eberly at 2020-08-14 02:30 PM | Reply

And now Danni doesn't understand that if you remove a machine that take up a large amount of floor space, that space becomes available for another purpose.

#60 | Posted by visitor_ at 2020-08-14 02:32 PM | Reply

"The efficiency and cost consciousness of the USPS is not even in question."

Apparently today it's being questioned. By you, in fact.

#61 | Posted by eberly at 2020-08-14 02:38 PM | Reply

STFU Visitor.

Postal Service warns 46 states their voters could be disenfranchised by delayed mail-in ballots

Anticipating an avalanche of absentee ballots, the U.S. Postal Service recently sent detailed letters to 46 states and D.C. warning that it cannot guarantee all ballots cast by mail for the November election will arrive in time to be counted -- adding another layer of uncertainty ahead of the high-stakes presidential contest.

#62 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-08-14 02:43 PM | Reply

You STFU, vote in person or don't wait until the last minute to vote absentee.

#63 | Posted by visitor_ at 2020-08-14 02:49 PM | Reply

We all know people are going to put their ballots in the mail way too late.

We can't be counting ballots days and days after the election, can we?

#64 | Posted by eberly at 2020-08-14 02:50 PM | Reply

They're counting on it to be a cluster so Pelosi can be interim president.

#65 | Posted by visitor_ at 2020-08-14 02:52 PM | Reply

#63

I am. But I'm not the one ignorantly claiming that the intentional removal of the very equipment needed to process ballots is simply one of economics.

The Postal Service is described in the U.S. Constitution. Obsessing about its economics isn't. It exists to serve the entire American public, and lowering its efficiency on purpose does the complete opposite and is actually against the law.

So advocating something both illegal and unconstitutional should have no place in intelligent discourse.

But of course, that is something you are completely unable to partake in anyway because you have none.

#66 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-08-14 02:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

We can't be counting ballots days and days after the election, can we?

We can follow the laws of each state which is exactly what the U.S. Constitution calls for. It isn't up to Washington to make that call as long as each state's electors show up at the time and place they are supposed to.

#67 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-08-14 02:56 PM | Reply

Where I am this is the case:
Also postmarks don't count. If the ballot isn't in hand at the election office by election day, it's disqualified.

#68 | Posted by YAV at 2020-08-14 02:57 PM | Reply

Just as sure as we are having this argument we know that in every swing state the allegations Is going to be made that a lot of ballots are being delayed or outright lost in the mail

How long after election day will the states allow ballots to flow in And be counted?

#69 | Posted by eberly at 2020-08-14 03:00 PM | Reply

How long after election day will the states allow ballots to flow in And be counted?

In my state ZERO days.

You STFU, vote in person or don't wait until the last minute to vote absentee.

See #22 and #68.

Plus you can't wait until the last minute to vote absentee. You have to request in plenty of time to get the ballot. What you can do is wait until the last minute to vote and send your ballot in, and then it will be disqualified (in my State) if it doesn't make it to the County's election office before Nov 3rd. Forget whever it was postmarked.

#70 | Posted by YAV at 2020-08-14 03:01 PM | Reply

BTW Eberly, I'm in a swing state.

#71 | Posted by YAV at 2020-08-14 03:02 PM | Reply

There are efforts all over the nation already in full swing to make sure that ballots are delivered both to voters as early as possible and returned by whatever means as soon as possible in order to eliminate any significant last minute rush.

Again, I've got a post up now about how 83% of American voters agree that who wins this year's election "really matters" in regards to our future, so there will not be a ton of "late deciders."

The cake is baked. Now everyone needs to do whatever they can in order to make sure all the crumbs get picked up early as possible.

#72 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-08-14 03:09 PM | Reply

Yav, so will your state see lawsuits if the count is close enough that the mail-ins not counted might make a difference?

#73 | Posted by eberly at 2020-08-14 03:10 PM | Reply

Maybe it's true that they need more floor space because they do more package delivery and letter delivery is way down, but the fact that they are removing these machines immediately prior to a Presidential election where the USPS will be expected to process millions of ballots is more than just suspicious, it's criminal. I look forward to seeing Mr. DeJoy in handcuffs after the first of the year. Dotard might gum up the postal service, but Dems and independents have shown that if they have to, they will show up in person and crawl over broken glass to vote Der Gropenfuhrer out of office!

#74 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2020-08-14 03:18 PM | Reply

no. I don't believe anything yet.

Everybody has an agenda here.

Trump? yes....big and obvious agenda.

everyone quoted in this article? postal worker union leaders who are seeing a decline in their membership and the removal of machines means fewer workers in the future. They have an agenda as well. If they can point to potential election fraud as an excuse to draw attention to this and force the machines back and perhaps even employ more people....that's a good move for them, I suppose.

This could be exactly what you want to believe it is...an attempt by Trump to delay/lose the mail-in votes that could make the difference in swing states.

#36 | Posted by eberly

So you're BOTH SIDES-ing between a corrupt authoritarian trying to cheat an election and destroy democracy, and postal workers who...what exactly? Are trying to keep their jobs by having MORE machines? You realize machines usually REPLACE humans right?

#75 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-08-14 03:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

There are efforts all over the nation already in full swing to make sure that ballots are delivered both to voters as early as possible and returned by whatever means as soon as possible in order to eliminate any significant last minute rush.

#72 | Posted by tonyroma

In what states though? Of course blue states want people to vote and are making it easier and safer. But that doesn't matter to trump. As long as corrupt govs in SWING STATES aren't trying to help people vote, trump can win.

#76 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-08-14 03:21 PM | Reply

Yav, so will your state see lawsuits if the count is close enough that the mail-ins not counted might make a difference?

No doubt at all that there will be lawsuits if that happens. I expect lawsuits anyway because of the volume of mail-in that's done here.

#77 | Posted by YAV at 2020-08-14 03:22 PM | Reply

#76

EVERY state Speaks. This is what you have trouble understanding. There are activists in every nook and hollow of America who take their precious time and energies in trying to build a better nation. There will be organized efforts in cities and rural areas that will insure voters are acutely aware of all voting timetables in their states - especially now that Trump has so openly threatened the very franchise at the heart of our democratic republic.

My fear right now is that many of the likely programs and drives might now entail actual "ballot harvesting" - in this case meaning completely honest individuals physically picking up absentee ballots and delivering them to drop off locations. Even though each state builds in safeguards to insure that votes are from registered voters submitting legal ballots, just the narrative along is very close to what Trump has already publicly decried as fraudulent.

But if the mail cannot be trusted, it's going to come down to people delivering the ballots themselves or through the help of others be they voters unable to physically go to polling locations. Guess we'll see shortly.

#78 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-08-14 03:36 PM | Reply

#54 | Posted by eberly

Let me point out the article is from the beginning of April. It is 100% correct - at that time there was pretty much ZERO mail marketing going on because - drum roll please - everything was closed for the COVID shutdown. If you look now I am willing to bet there has been a considerable bounce back due to reopening. My mail volume has returned to about normal now. I am not getting quite as sale flyers but I was getting a lot more packages. I probably wasn't the only one getting a lot of mail packages during the lock down but for sure not everyone was ordering more online. It is amazing how many companies use UPS / FedEx services that employ the USPS for the last mile.

Here is a question - Is package volume measured as a part of mail volume? Honest question because I don't know. I am sure mail volume is going to continue to drop. So in my mind to remain viable it is important that the USPS transform because of that. At the moment package shipment seems to be the arena. Perhaps there is a better "email" system to be created. The USPS shouldn't be hindered from competing in the market place like it is by congress. Ideally it should breakeven or create a return for the American people but the USPS is Constitutional mandate it should be funded properly. Period.

#79 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2020-08-14 03:37 PM | Reply

Danni, what don't you understand about floor space? and that it costs money?

#46 | Posted by eberly

Not meaning to pick on you but they are removing machinery. They are not moving facilities. It makes no sense to remove machinery that functions and is usable especially for your peak volume times. Clean out the machinery when you actually move to a smaller facility. I don't know how many are owned vs leased - around here, the post office got rid of the only leased PO years ago. A good way to save money for the PO would be to close all the little po dunk town offices and centralize like UPS. You can buy stamps and ship packages at a lot of places now.

#80 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2020-08-14 03:43 PM | Reply

The bride and I requested mail-in ballots for the August 4th primary; one (D) and one (R).

The (R) arrived with several days to spare. The (D) has yet to be delivered.

#81 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-08-14 03:44 PM | Reply

Ideally it should breakeven or create a return for the American people

Please stop saying this, you're only mouthing Republican ignorance. There is no profitable business model for maintaining and infrastructure and pipeline that delivers to every single address in America 6 days a week at reasonable prices.

That is why no other carrier in America does what the Postal Service does - there is no way to make a profit from it. The Post Office is a SERVICE, not a business. It was created to do a job, not turn a profit. The latter part of your quote above is exactly correct.

The Post Office is a public trust, and provides a greater benefit to every American than it costs the government to fund. There should be no question about these facts. That's why it's mandated in the Constitution - it is a national service, period.

#82 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-08-14 03:51 PM | Reply

The number of removals is 671 high volume processing machines all across the nation according to NBC News.

#83 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-08-14 03:58 PM | Reply

The USPS has announced (with a straight face) they are removing 671 more sorting machines as part of a "normal" process.
The USPS has not said a word about them being reallocated.
You think it's bad now, just wait.
I'm sure it's all a coincidence. /s

#84 | Posted by YAV at 2020-08-14 03:58 PM | Reply

HA!

#85 | Posted by YAV at 2020-08-14 03:59 PM | Reply

"According to internal documents obtained by VICE and CNN, the United States Postal Service is removing hundreds of high-volume mail-processing machines from facilities across the country ahead of election season. The Washington Post reports that the USPS recently sent detailed letters to 46 states and DC warning that it cannot guarantee all ballots cast by mail for the November election will arrive in time to be counted."

#86 | Posted by YAV at 2020-08-14 04:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The postal service is in the Constitution, along with the provision for roads; it was never meant to be a profit center.

But years of dissing it has been towards the goal of making it a division of FedEx and or UPS.

#87 | Posted by Corky at 2020-08-14 04:01 PM | Reply

Walk in
Show ID
Vote
Go for coffee
EOS

#88 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2020-08-14 04:15 PM | Reply

Everone here is howling about how important this election is..
So go vote like people have been doing for 300+ years.
Stop flimsy excuses.

#89 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2020-08-14 04:18 PM | Reply

We can't be counting ballots days and days after the election, can we?

If they mail it on or before the deadline set by their state, why shouldn't we?

#90 | Posted by JOE at 2020-08-14 04:32 PM | Reply

Walk in
Show ID
Vote
Go for coffee
EOS

#88 | Posted by phesterOBoyle

You forgot GET COVID.

ID isn't needed.

#91 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-08-14 04:53 PM | Reply

"And now Danni doesn't understand that if you remove a machine that take up a large amount of floor space, that space becomes available for another purpose."

All of us don't have to pretend to believe that excuse, only you sir, are weak enough to pretend to believe even when you know it is absolutely b.s.
I guess it earns you points in the conservative world but aren't some of them also questioning the ridiculous lies as to why the TRump administration is trying to shut down USPS? They just can't all be as stupid as Visitor.

#92 | Posted by danni at 2020-08-14 05:00 PM | Reply

"You forgot GET COVID."

see? an extra bonus...like a lollipop at the bank.

#93 | Posted by eberly at 2020-08-14 05:00 PM | Reply

"But years of dissing it has been towards the goal of making it a division of FedEx and or UPS."

So that a letter we mail for 55 cents can cost us 8 bucks. Yay? No.

#94 | Posted by danni at 2020-08-14 05:01 PM | Reply

"Everone here is howling about how important this election is.."

It is to anyone with half a brain. Census year, the winners will determine the Congressional districts and draw them either fairly or gerrymander them. The Republicans want to gerrymander them, the Dems just want to draw them fairly. And why? Are Democrats just saints? NO, we don't need to be. If they are drawn fairly we will control the Congress for the next ten years because there simply are more Democrats than Republicans. Republicans hate that FACT!

#95 | Posted by danni at 2020-08-14 05:05 PM | Reply

We can't be counting ballots days and days after the election, can we?

If they mail it on or before the deadline set by their state, why shouldn't we?

#90 | Posted by JOE

As long as it's postmarked on or by election day it should absolutely be counted.

Anybody rationalizing why it shouldn't be is against the very essence of our country.

#96 | Posted by jpw at 2020-08-14 05:06 PM | Reply

"Ideally it should breakeven or create a return for the American people but the USPS is Constitutional mandate it should be funded properly. Period."

Pete, I decided to post your entire sentence....someone cut it off so they could manufacture an argument out of nothing.
Obviously, there is nothing in your statement that is worth arguing over.

#97 | Posted by eberly at 2020-08-14 05:07 PM | Reply

This is really where Uber, Grubhub, Lyft etc. can come in to help. Setup a ballot pickup/delivery option among their drivers' bonus system. Don't rely on the mail, rely on humanity.

#1 | Posted by rstybeach11

The RNC is already going to court in states with mail-in voting making the argument that if the state insists on calling them 'mail-in ballots', then they MUST be mailed in. They're suing to stop states from setting up drop-off boxes or even accepting mail-in ballots at a polling place on election day. They're basically setting up a 'Catch-22'.

An excerpt from the item below:

The case was filed in the U.S. District Court for the Western District of Pennsylvania. Plaintiffs (ie the RNC) in the lawsuit want to stop voters from depositing absentee ballots in secure drop-off vote boxes instead of mailboxes, a system on which a sizable number of Montgomery County voters relied during the 2020 primaries.

Lawsuit Could Affect County Drop-Off Vote Boxes

sanatogapost.com

OCU

#98 | Posted by OCUser at 2020-08-14 05:07 PM | Reply

98

it just gets more interesting........

#99 | Posted by eberly at 2020-08-14 05:10 PM | Reply

"You forgot GET COVID.
ID isn't needed.
#91 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY"

Wear mask, stay 6'apart, carry hand sanitizer.
No covid.
They want to see ID here and study my autograph.
If they forget to ask for ID, I make noise, cuz I could be a rushin spy.

#100 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2020-08-14 05:16 PM | Reply

98

If the state and the polling place wants to accept drop offs then they should accept them and count them.

I'm having some fun on this thread but understand I support NO effort to suppress any vote.

in person, mail-in, drop-off, etc....no voter id required. I would never want that to happen.

off to happy hour....TooTles. :-)

#101 | Posted by eberly at 2020-08-14 05:17 PM | Reply

I don't think you're spry enough to be a rushin anywhere.

#102 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-08-14 05:19 PM | Reply

it just gets more interesting........

#99 | Posted by eberly

Interesting?

If it's not clear by now that the GOP is doing everything it can to steal this election you're an idiot. Sorry, but you can't view the entirety of the information and reach any other conclusion.

They've done their best to make voting as hard as possible and are now making sure that there is no alternative than in person voting.

How can you describe that as "interesting"?

#103 | Posted by jpw at 2020-08-14 05:26 PM | Reply

#82 | Posted by tonyroma

You are right about the GOP but I am sorry I disagree about some things. As I said that is the IDEAL situation. What's reasonable delivery? They ship packages for rates not dissimilar but usually cheaper than other services. If you need to mail something is $1 unreasonable today? A stamp is not nearly that much. Look at the history of the post office. The absolute fact is traditional mail is vanishing and the USPS needs to transform. We can't pay people to be ready in case we need them for sorting, deliveries, etc. That will not fly with the American People. Imagine in 10 years you get a piece of mail once a week or the routes turn into weekly delivery because of a lack of actual mail - not packages.

Then let's look at the why of nobody delivers to every address - it isn't cost it is because they don't deliver mail. IF UPS had a package for every single address they would find a way to deliver it. USPS on the other hand doesn't even have that as a mandated task but that is the reality. My Postman doesn't stop if he has no mail for me. If Congress would get out of the way and the USPS was allowed to operate without continual political interference then there are ways. The USPS needs to get the ability to compete on its own terms. In other words run it more like an actual business. We deal with the post office and I am sorry but it is a charlie foxtrot. They can't even produce their own shipping software because of the political interference...

The bottom line is while this is definitely a service that we should demand from our country it needs to be better run. That requires a way to step away from the continual political wrangling and interference. It has to become an apolitical entity - I am not sure how that is done because it is anything but today. Just looking at how the GOP is trying to kill it: As already pointed out the demand to 100% fund the pension plan was an absolute effort by the GOP to kill the Postal Service. Forcing Saturday delivery of mail is another. Appointing this current quack is yet another. By Destroying these sorting machines - you can be sure that is what is happening - he is absolutely doing permanent damage and for political reasons.

#104 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2020-08-14 06:22 PM | Reply

If these moves were happening at any other time, you wouldn't be here pretending to be so dumb.
#44 | POSTED BY EBERLY

One of the reasons Trump is against universal mail-in voting is because he doesn't believe the USPS system would be able to handle the influx of volume.

How do you square shutting down sorting machines, the exact ones needed to process ballots, improves the USPS system to handle a probable surge in volume during COVID-19?

Visitor_ is basing his assessment on a lowering of volume since the 2000s, which is valid. But ignoring our current situation and health environment, which will require a boost to the USPS system, only benefits Trump's argument. No matter how correctly Trump points out it will probably be an issue with so many ballots coming in from people who don't want to vote in person because they fear contracting COVID-19, the subsequent actions of people he has appointed brings the logic of policies like these into question. In a hypothetical situation where it would be unhealthy for large groups of the voting population to vote in person, requiring them to utilize the mail in voting alternative, it would be logical to anticipate an massive increase in mail volume. In that hypothetical scenario, it would be beneficial to increase funding and support for the mail system. Yet we have Trump doing the exact opposite.

And you also, apparently, base your perspective on the same context Visitor_ laid out, yet you also acknowledge the variables associated with COVID-19. I just don't get it.

You have officially taken over JEFFJ's role as the DR resident fence sitter.

#105 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-08-14 06:34 PM | Reply

The USPS needs to get the ability to compete on its own terms. In other words run it more like an actual business.

#104 | Posted by GalaxiePete

Article I, Section 8, of the US Constitution is where you'll find the clause that established the Postal Service. In that same section there are also the clauses that allows Congress to raise and support an Army as well as establish the Navy. Why are you expecting that the Post Office has to run a profit? Why not the Navy or the Army? They got the same treatment in terms of being declared the responsibility of Congress to form and operate them. Also note that these clauses are to found in Article I of the Constitution, which starts off:

All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.

So if you think about it, it should be Congress which should be dealing with these issues, NOT the White House. The Post Office is never mention in Article II.

OCU

#106 | Posted by OCUser at 2020-08-14 06:41 PM | Reply

Walk in
Show ID
Vote
Go for coffee
EOS
#88 | POSTED BY PHESTEROBOYLE

Tell that to my 85 year-old uncle, you -----.

#107 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-08-14 06:42 PM | Reply

We all know people are going to put their ballots in the mail way too late.
We can't be counting ballots days and days after the election, can we?
#64 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Why can't we do this, as long as they were postmarked by election day?
???

#108 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-08-14 06:45 PM | Reply

???
#108 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

I'm lost on the notion of why this is perceived as impractical, but the consideration of which group this perception continuously is propped up by does speak volumes. Besides, do you know how many people would have to be involved to accomplish effective voter fraud via mail? The paranoia Trump and his supporters are currently experiencing is truly impressive. If only he had that same level of concern (not paranoia since the accusations against Russia are legitimate) in combating Russian interference.

#109 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-08-14 06:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Dates to keep in mind:
Dec. 8, 2020 - when all election disputes must be resolved.
Dec. 14, 2020 - when the Electors meet.
Dec. 23, 2020 - all Elector's ballots must be received by the president of the Senate.
Jan. 6, 2021 - The Electoral Ballots are counted by Congress.
Jan. 20, 2021 - Inauguration day.

#110 | Posted by YAV at 2020-08-14 06:57 PM | Reply

Wear mask, stay 6'apart, carry hand sanitizer.
No covid.
They want to see ID here and study my autograph.
If they forget to ask for ID, I make noise, cuz I could be a rushin spy.

#100 | Posted by phesterOBoyle

You make noise because you want them to hassle everyone for an ID so that maybe your cult leader can be re elected if enough people can't vote.

Do you think covid virus dies at exactly 6 feet? Like within 6 feet it's a risk, and then at 6'1" youre safe?

#111 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-08-14 07:16 PM | Reply

IF UPS had a package for every single address they would find a way to deliver it.

No they wouldn't because they'd still go broke building the infrastructure and purchasing the necessary equipment to do so. Why do you think the GOP keeps trying to basically sell the USPS to private companies? None of them can afford to duplicate the model and none of them can do it and still make a profit.

And it's not just UPS, its DHL, it's FedEX, and all the other delivery companies in the marketplace. Why do you think they use the post office for end delivery to more places than they actually deliver to?

And the USPS has seen their own package business explode because of e-commerce/Amazon, so mail itself is not the issue, it's still their delivery capability of ANYTHING to every address in America every single day of the week if called to.

My Postman doesn't stop if he has no mail for me.

But he still goes by your house every single day as he delivers to your neighbors. Other carriers don't darken your streets unless they have to, and none of them likely come 6 days a week.

In other words run it more like an actual business. We deal with the post office and I am sorry but it is a charlie foxtrot. They can't even produce their own shipping software because of the political interference...

I'll take your word about the software issues, but as I posted before, the service is not a normal business. I don't know about you, but over these last couple of decades, the USPS is just if not more reliable than the other services as it regards overnight and priority deliveries, and their online tracking systems are on par with everyone else's. I really feel that all the focus on efficiency and productivity has manifested in a much leaner and meaner service than ever before.

That is the reason all of this is so egregious. USPS has been functioning rather well, and now it isn't because of Trump.

#112 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-08-14 07:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Repubs' theory is that government can't do anything right. So when you elect them, they do everything they can break government so they can prove their case.

The one part of government they don't try to break - the military - is the best in the world.

Imagine if they cared about the post office or public education the way they care about the military and made them the best in the world instead of purposely trying to make them fail so they can stop funding them and give tax cuts to rich sociopaths instead.

#113 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-08-14 08:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"You have officially taken over JEFFJ's role as the DR resident fence sitter."

I thought I already was the resident fence sitter.

I'm just having fun. I'm for all votes to be counted.

Period.

#114 | Posted by eberly at 2020-08-14 09:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's just now hitting me how this scandal (and it is a scandal if you haven't figured that out) will be the final stake in Trump's coffin.

Wanna know how to piss off Trump's base? Eff with their constitutionally proscribed mail service. Take away their mailboxes. Make them pay late fees because their bills didn't arrive on time like they have every month before he started messing with the postal service. Let them wait up to 2 weeks instead of 2 days to get their Walmart.com and Amazon purchases. Let the veteran's or the Trumper retiree's medicine not arrive on time and threaten their health and wellbeing. And so on.

Wanna know how to piss off everybody else who already loathes you - who now loathe you even more? Eff with the mail system - and BRAG about what you're doing - 80 days before the election, because you're afraid you'll lose.

EVERYBODY depends upon our postal service. It's a huge piece of the engine of commerce within our economy. And it's being jacked-with to be less productive on purpose?

Trump is intentionally trying to destroy it's proper functioning. He's trying to kill the constitutionally mandated normal functioning of the US Postal Service.

And even his most wild sycophant understands undermining the postal service doesn't serve their interests, it only serves the interests of one man: Donald Trump.

#115 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-08-14 09:54 PM | Reply

2 of the 3 vials of insulin my MIL needs arrived yesterday no good because of the 2 weeks it took for them to arrive in the mail. Formerly 3 days before the Trump/DeJoy/Election meddling slowdown of the mail.

You can't leave sensitive meds sitting around like that. They go bad.

There will be many more people who find themselves in the same situation.

#116 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-08-15 04:32 AM | Reply

I'm having some fun on this thread but understand I support NO effort to suppress any vote.

*regurgitates incredibly stupid rightwing talking point*

"Haha, just having a little fun :) "

Wow what a master troll, truly impressive

#117 | Posted by JOE at 2020-08-15 07:13 AM | Reply

-truly impressive

Thanks. Wasn't even trying.

#118 | Posted by eberly at 2020-08-15 09:31 AM | Reply

"Tell that to my 85 year-old uncle, you -----.
#107 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11"

Take him in a wheelchair you lazy loser.

#119 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2020-08-15 02:14 PM | Reply

Make it harder for people to vote, and when they fail to vote due to the new obstacles put in place, blame them for being personally irresponsible

#120 | Posted by hamburglar at 2020-08-15 02:44 PM | Reply

I'm for all votes to be counted.
Period.
#114 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Your party isn't.

#121 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-08-15 02:53 PM | Reply

"You can't leave sensitive meds sitting around like that. They go bad."

"Haha, just having a little fun :)"

^
This is the state of the Union in 2020.

Congratulations, Republicans.
You built that!

#122 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-08-15 02:56 PM | Reply

Want to piss off one these idiotic Republicans without confronting them or anything. Go buy a book of stamps. That extra income for the USPS if multiplied by millions would defeat their efforts to destroy the USPS. If necessary buy another on next week and the week after that. Then, when we win back the Senate and the Presidency repeal the poison pill the Republicans put there to require the USPS to fund pensions out 75 years which costs the USPS 5 billion dollars per year for no good reason. Then plow the excess pension funds which have been collecting back into the operational accounts of the USPS.

#123 | Posted by danni at 2020-08-15 04:06 PM | Reply

Take him in a wheelchair you lazy loser.
#119 | POSTED BY PHESTEROBOYLE

No, you prissy bitch. If the POTUS can vote by mail, so can my uncle.

Had B. Hussein done anything close to this in 2012, you would have had a coniption. And you ------- know it, you hypocritical hack.

#124 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-08-15 04:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Putin put a bounty on the USPS and the racist orange turd aims to collect.

#125 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2020-08-15 05:22 PM | Reply

"Putin put a bounty on the USPS and the racist orange turd aims to collect.
#125 | POSTED BY REINHEITSGEBOT"

Careful Beavis, people have gotten the bahn for lying.

#126 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2020-08-15 06:49 PM | Reply

Here's the real info on the bill which requires the USPS to prepay their pension that Danni is blaming on Republicans (from Wikipedia):
en.wikipedia.org
The Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act (PAEA) is a United States federal statute enacted by the 109th United States Congress and signed into law by President George W. Bush on December 20, 2006.

The bill was introduced in the United States House of Representatives by Tom Davis, a Republican from Virginia, and cosponsored by Republican John M. McHugh of New York and Democrats Henry Waxman of California and Danny K. Davis of Illinois.

It passed the House by voice vote, so no record of who actually voted for it, but it passed the Senate via unanimous consent.

Some ignorant folks will still pretend it was Republicans and not both parties which pushed this legislation.

#127 | Posted by Avigdore at 2020-08-15 08:09 PM | Reply

"Some ignorant folks will still pretend it was Republicans and not both parties which pushed this legislation."

The poison pill was buried in the bill by the Republicans who wrote the bill you piece of crap.

#128 | Posted by danni at 2020-08-16 12:34 PM | Reply

I even bolded it so you could see your mistake easier. Here it is again:

The bill was introduced in the United States House of Representatives by Tom Davis, a Republican from Virginia, and cosponsored by Republican John M. McHugh of New York ====>>>>and Democrats Henry Waxman of California and Danny K. Davis of Illinois

#129 | Posted by Avigdore at 2020-08-16 12:47 PM | Reply

Surely it isn't your contention that Democrats are too ignorant to know what is in the bills that the sponsor, is it?

#130 | Posted by Avigdore at 2020-08-16 01:09 PM | Reply

I'm just having fun. I'm for all votes to be counted.

Period.

#114 | Posted by eberly

Then maybe you should stop sitting on the fence between the side that wants what you want, and they side that doesn't.

#131 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-08-16 05:05 PM | Reply

"Then maybe you should stop sitting on the fence between the side that wants what you want, and they side that doesn't."

And give up showbusiness?

#132 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-08-16 05:15 PM | Reply

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