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Saturday, August 15, 2020

Anticipating an avalanche of absentee ballots, the U.S. Postal Service recently sent detailed letters to 46 states and D.C. warning that it cannot guarantee all ballots cast by mail for the November election will arrive in time to be counted -- adding another layer of uncertainty ahead of the high-stakes presidential contest.

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The rigging of an election Trump style.

#1 | Posted by Corky at 2020-08-15 08:35 AM | Reply

The USPS hates us for our freedoms

Snoofy, thanks,lol. Still laughing from the Lebanon thread

#2 | Posted by bruceaz at 2020-08-15 08:54 AM | Reply

GAWD! I never ever ever eveaahhhhhhh thought a president could fuhuk things up worse than Bushturd2 did Katrina.

Pig brained slap happy republicl0wnery at its best.

Ohhhh BTW homicides by gunshots are up... ever think we will get an accurate count on how many were "killed" by gun owners versus how many were "saved" by gun owners?

I'm just bored and in the mood for some irony.

#3 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2020-08-15 09:19 AM | Reply

The post office for years has been the poster child for incompetence. Mine is so bad I get perhaps 85 to 90 per cent of my mail. Apparently. Somebody in my local post office really likes what periodicals I read, because it seems every 2 to 3 months I have to contact the senders to send me another issue.
Vote by mail needs to be stopped and stopped now. Think about it, 3% of the fake ballots CBS sent never made it to their destination. Many elections are decided by less than 3%, so the USPS finds a bag of ballots 6 weeks after the election. Are the voters disenfranchised? What if it changes a few of the results? Do we remove the person that ultimately did not have a majority of votes? Unravel and do over the legislation they passed?
Vote by mail is a bad idea for both parties, it will end up being a contest of who can cheat more.

#4 | Posted by Gtjr at 2020-08-15 09:24 AM | Reply | Funny: 3

Why not have voting online?,I mean we do everything else that way. It could be made faster and safer than the physical mail.

#5 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-08-15 09:29 AM | Reply

Your post reads like something an idiot without any actual understanding of anything and needs excuses for wacky beliefs to be validated, would write. Detached, weird, semi-ranting, strange.

I think it's also pretty damn funny. Remember when in-person voting was so fraudulent and mail-in/absentee (our Military) was the gold standard?

You change with the political winds of your party. You have no principles. You have no facts. You have nothing but fear and whining.

You are increasingly being marginalized by your own actions and words.

#6 | Posted by YAV at 2020-08-15 09:35 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#6 for #4.

#7 | Posted by YAV at 2020-08-15 09:35 AM | Reply

Mine (mail) is so bad I get perhaps 85 to 90 per cent of my mail.

#4 | Posted by Gtjr

Never happened to me or anyone I have ever known.

Like any fascist, you are a liar.

#8 | Posted by Zed at 2020-08-15 09:42 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#4 in my opinion you are an untruthful sack of ----. I've paid my bills through the mail at the last minute all my life and never had a problem. Problems lately, wonder where that comes from? Honest to god, if everything ran as efficiently as the post office this world would be wonderful.

Piss off

#9 | Posted by bruceaz at 2020-08-15 09:44 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

You are a fascist, GTJR, a bad man and an enemy. An enemy of the Republic; an anti-democratic and authoritarian bastard.

What do you expect to get from the Trump dictatorship? Employment as Party Block Supervisor?

#10 | Posted by Zed at 2020-08-15 09:52 AM | Reply

Like Ronald Reagan said, facts are stubborn things. The fact remains the USPS is not capable of effectively getting the mail to whom it is addressed 99% of the time. Would you allow th republicans to remove 3% of the votes from voting machines nationwide? Vote by mail would effectively do that.

Like I said it would turn into "who can cheat more" and would not serve either party well, no matter what party you are connected to. It is just common sense, but then I guess that is not too common.

#11 | Posted by gtjr at 2020-08-15 10:04 AM | Reply

Military mail is a much much smaller sample, and handled by the military rather than the USPS. It is considerably easier to get it to its destination. The USPS has an unblemished record for being incompetent, it would not be good for either party.

#12 | Posted by gtjr at 2020-08-15 10:08 AM | Reply

As Ronald Reagan says:

Well there you go again.

You know what else that ---- said.
Jimmy Carter, stack of hundred dollar bills 60 miles high.

Then whispered "I can do higher than that"

#13 | Posted by bruceaz at 2020-08-15 10:10 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You mean n those demorat run hell holes where guns are illeagal?

#14 | Posted by gtjr at 2020-08-15 10:12 AM | Reply

I dont think the USPS is a bad organization. Before I joined the military, I used to work for the Post office on the very machines they are talking about, the flat sorter and the BCS machines. The USPS is pretty good at getting residential mail where it needs to go.

But I dont like it for voting. Even when I was in the military, I didnt use mail voting, I always made a trip to my home district.

Voting is too important and there too much of a risk for fraud.

I like Effete's idea of online voting. It's a perfect idea for blockchain. Every citizen could be issued a private key and authentication would be easy, no repudiation. And once the votes been put in, the blockchain would verify it so there's no double voting. People could do it from home and the results would be instant.

Someone just has to plan it.

#15 | Posted by boaz at 2020-08-15 10:14 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Where are guns illegal?

As Ronald Reagan said "facts are stubborn" so I choose to ignore them.

As far as military mail, the only ones they hand deliver begin with "we regret to inform you"

Piss off

#16 | Posted by bruceaz at 2020-08-15 10:18 AM | Reply

The post office has been the butt of so many jokes and ridicule.

Characters on popular TV shows helped fuel that.

Newman
Cliff Clavin

Add to it the rash of workplace violence events that occurred for a period of time.

The people I personally know who work there are great people. They certainly aren't the losers people seem to believe work there.

Yes, occasionally we get our neighbors mail. No big deal.

#17 | Posted by eberly at 2020-08-15 10:24 AM | Reply

Mail voting has been going on for years, more than a hundred years, but now it's a problem.

Let me ask you Boaz since you worked for a govt. agency, lot of fragging going on?Yeah Nam was before your time. Never mind i'll ask my hometown quarterback.

#18 | Posted by bruceaz at 2020-08-15 10:27 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

The fact remains the USPS is not capable of effectively getting the mail to whom it is addressed 99% of the time.

Large majorities of Republicans and Democrats have favorable views of the Postal Service, 91% identically for both parties in the latest Pew Research survey done in April 2020.
You're nothing but a bald-faced liar spouting Russian disinformation in order to sow chaos GTJR. You couldn't be more obvious with your lies. We were warned by our own DNI in January of 2017 just what Trump's election accomplished towards Russia's goals:
Assessing Russian Activities and Intentions in Recent US Elections

Key Judgments -

We assess Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the US presidential election. Russia's goals were to undermine public faith in the US democratic process,....

#19 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-08-15 10:47 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#18,

What the hell are you talking about?

#20 | Posted by boaz at 2020-08-15 10:58 AM | Reply

Oregon has done all vote by mail for the last 20 years with no problem. I can't imagine why it is all of sudden a problem. Hmmmmm.

Btw, how are the president and his family casting their ballots?

#21 | Posted by MBlue at 2020-08-15 10:59 AM | Reply

If this were happening in any second of third world country there would be masses of IN election observers to ensure the vote. How low we ha e sunk.

#22 | Posted by MBlue at 2020-08-15 11:02 AM | Reply

UN not IN

#23 | Posted by MBlue at 2020-08-15 11:03 AM | Reply

I can't imagine why it is all of sudden a problem.

Give it a week and there won't be a right-winger in the US who has not had half his USPS delivered mail lost or stolen.

#24 | Posted by REDIAL at 2020-08-15 11:03 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

HeyTrump was right for once!
The election will be rigged!
BY HIM!

#25 | Posted by e1g1 at 2020-08-15 11:07 AM | Reply

I (can't believe...I...am...typing...this) agree with BOAZ. Blockchain voting by internet is the way of the future.

#26 | Posted by e1g1 at 2020-08-15 11:09 AM | Reply

#20 well sorry Boaz, you know I don't regularly post to give you a hard time.

But the USPS works and it works great. Want to go with fedex, 20 bucks.

Cost overruns, yeah ask Lockheed

#27 | Posted by bruceaz at 2020-08-15 11:11 AM | Reply

The USPS is fine for taxes, bills, stimulus checks, and can handle the billion cards sent at the holidays. They are great for everything EXCEPT mail in ballots that may favor the democrats. Is this the American Exceptionalism the right always talks about?

#28 | Posted by MBlue at 2020-08-15 11:12 AM | Reply

I (can't believe...I...am...typing...this) agree with BOAZ. Blockchain voting by internet is the way of the future.

Maybe once the USA has publicly available internet for all and a device for everyone.

#29 | Posted by MBlue at 2020-08-15 11:16 AM | Reply

@#21 ... Oregon has done all vote by mail ...

Mail-in voting in Oregon has worked for decades, says Republican
thehill.com

...Voting by mail has worked for decades in Oregon, said both the state's current and former secretary of state, suggesting it would likely work nationally as a way of ensuring the vote goes forward safely during the coronavirus pandemic.

"I think after 20 years, we've proven that our system is very secure and voters love it. The voters voted it in, they've never made an attempt to vote it out. I think they're happy with it and I think it's a 20-year history of success," said Secretary of State Bev Clarno (R).

Phil Keisling, a Democrat who served as secretary of state from 1991 to 1999, said the state's vote-by-mail system began in the mid-1980s, when numerous local elections included ballots mailed to voters....


#30 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-08-15 11:25 AM | Reply

Chicken little. Where have I heard this before. Ventilators. Maybe we can convert all the ventilators we didn't need into mail sorting equipment.

#31 | Posted by visitor_ at 2020-08-15 11:45 AM | Reply

If Trump fails to cheat his way to a second term it won't be for lack of effort.

#32 | Posted by moder8 at 2020-08-15 11:53 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Military mail is a much much smaller sample, and handled by the military rather than the USPS.

Such a liar and so easily debunked. Even saying it is stupid and makes no sense. It just isn't possible.

www.militarytimes.com

Like Ronald Reagan said, facts are stubborn things. The fact remains the USPS is not capable of effectively getting the mail to whom it is addressed 99% of the time.

You don't use facts. At all. You flat out lie. 99% isn't even believable. It's ridiculous on its face just like the above "fact" which isn't a FACT at all. Using Reagan as a thin veneer to hide your lies doens't work, either. Reagan's pretty low in my book.

So this is what you do every thread. You make up ----, people have to call it out so others don't believe your lies.

You are a WOB.

#33 | Posted by YAV at 2020-08-15 11:54 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@31 ... Maybe we can convert all the ventilators we didn't need into mail sorting equipment. ...

A big problem nowadays is not a lack of mail sorting equipment.

A big problem nowadays is the Trump administration actively removing mail sorting equipment from service.

#34 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-08-15 12:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

All this talk about delays. Like it's gonna stop the inevitable.

Trump is going. He deserves jail. But it will be up to the people.

I have waited years. I can wait a few extra days to get this negligent criminal out of the White House and into the courts to answer for his crimes.

No man is above the law.

#35 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-08-15 12:07 PM | Reply

I mail 100s of checks monthly paying bills and maybe 1 per 300 gets lost.

But that's been the case for years.

I will say it's take the postal service a few days longer than in the past but it's not getting lost.

I think the biggest threat to mail in voting is out and out fraud, not the postal service.

#36 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-08-15 12:55 PM | Reply

Re: #36

low-rates-of-fraud-in-vote-by-mail-states-show-the-benefits-outweigh-the-risks

#37 | Posted by hamburglar at 2020-08-15 01:36 PM | Reply

Ham,

I have a number of objections to mail in voting that are subjective and open to debate.

For one, I believe voting should be anonymous and mail in voting empowers the authorities to collect data on voting habits of families and individuals.

Of course that won't be an issue until it is and then it's too late.

I have noticed liberals seem to be unconcerned with points such as this and trust the government to manage their lives more than conservatives believe the government should be trusted and given that sort of potential power for abuse.

I'm not seeing the posts of some of the more obnoxious posters on this site so don't waste your time responding to me if you're one of those...

#38 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-08-15 02:37 PM | Reply

There you go again... with FACTS. They don't listen to those.

#39 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2020-08-15 02:38 PM | Reply

#39--> #37

#40 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2020-08-15 02:39 PM | Reply

It's very possible fraud is minimal.

What I was talking about in my last post is something totally different.

Oddly enough...decades ago it would have been liberals thinking the government shouldn't be trusted so blindly.

What happened to the liberals?

#41 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-08-15 02:46 PM | Reply

"I believe voting should be anonymous..."

That's why the eligibility is assessed from the outside envelope. Once the ballot is deemed eligible, the envelope is opened, and the ballot added to the countables. It's also why we have poll watchers, and multiple people in the room for the process.

"...mail in voting empowers the authorities to collect data on voting habits of families and individuals."

That ship sailed a long time ago, beginning with your first FB "like".

#42 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-08-15 02:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Re: #38 On privacy, scroll down to the second paragraph of the section "How does mail balloting work?" www.brookings.edu

#43 | Posted by hamburglar at 2020-08-15 02:52 PM | Reply

What Danforth said

#44 | Posted by hamburglar at 2020-08-15 02:53 PM | Reply

I think the biggest threat to mail in voting is out and out fraud, not the postal service.

The biggest threat is Trump. Hands down.

For one, I believe voting should be anonymous and mail in voting empowers the authorities to collect data on voting habits of families and individuals.

Here, when doing in person voting you get a ballot. The ballot has a number on it. That number is associated with your name. The data is all there already. Additionally when you do vote the fact that you voted is recorded and becomes a public record.

I have noticed liberals seem to be unconcerned with points such as this and trust the government to manage their lives more than conservatives believe the government should be trusted and given that sort of potential power for abuse.

That's a generalization based on misinformation that you've chosen to believe. Republicans want government intrusion in to the most private parts of our lives. Democrats generally want the government to manage inspections of food, drugs, and health services to ensure safety and so we can relax a bit when it comes to those things. Republicans want the market to regulate itself counting on people dying, getting injured, getting sick, as a deterrent to harmful products and services.

I'm not seeing the posts of some of the more obnoxious posters on this site so don't waste your time responding to me if you're one of those...

How would he know if you've blocked him? Do you tell everyone "hey, here's my list of people I've blocked" - because if you do, I haven't seen it. I guess I'll find out if you respond to this!

#45 | Posted by YAV at 2020-08-15 04:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Boaz,

I have installed and maintained automated accounting systems over 30 years.

There are processes used to improve efficiency, reduce labor and generally remove people from the equation to hold down costs.

I agree with you voting is too important to apply all these time, labor and cost saving measures.

Things have to work the first time.

Voting by mail could work and in fact could be preferable to methods that are purely digital because it provides physical redundancy in the event you need a recount. Recounts are useless if you can only recount the flawed data.

I'm not convinced the opportunity for cheating has been completely removed with mail in voting. Frankly nothing works flawlessly and there are holes somewhere. They just have to be found. Anyone who blindly trusts the system to be perfect is gullible.

Mail in voting has not been used on such a massive scale as will be this time. Any problems that existed on a smaller scale will be compounded and the possibility of a bottleneck is very real.

Not to mention the fact there are most certainly bad people who will exploit any opportunities they can find to cheat. Anyone who believes otherwise is again being gullible.

#46 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-08-15 09:37 PM | Reply

My point is my cause for alarm is justified.

New processes being used by states on larger scales is risky whether you accept it or not.

#47 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-08-15 09:49 PM | Reply

Bill Johnson making excuses to help Trump. I am not surprised. If someone pay a bill from podunk Rural Kansas tn NYC You can vote by mail easily if Trump doesn't dicker around with the postal service.

#48 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-08-15 09:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

RE: #47

Thank you for your opinion, but I'll err on the side of experts who've studied online voting

#49 | Posted by hamburglar at 2020-08-15 09:55 PM | Reply

Mail voting.

#50 | Posted by hamburglar at 2020-08-15 09:56 PM | Reply

New processes being used by states on larger scales is risky whether you accept it or not.

No it isn't. Like with any problem of scale, you just apply more resources to it, in this case hire more observers.

You obviously don't know how vote counting actually works. First, every state already has security protocols to insure that mailed in ballots are submitted by legal voters. The most popular are security envelopes with signatures of each voter which will be compared to their signatures on file each time that they vote. There are always two observers - one from each party - working together verifying each ballot.

Having exponentially more ballots doesn't make the process any more ripe for mistakes/fraud if you simply have as many people clearing these ballots as you need.

Not to mention any attempt to fraudulently cast a ballot is a felony, and since every mail-in ballot is directly tied to both a registered voter and an address, trying to illegally vote is a fast way to prison.

And perhaps the most common sense reason for not being overly concerned with ballot fraud is this - how is any one vote worth the possible repercussions of jail? Voters really are that invested in politics that they're willing to go to jail in support of their candidates with one illegal vote?

The whole idea of widespread fraud at any point in the process of having an actual illegal vote counted is frankly ridiculous. That is why the percentage of fraud is so small as it is.

#51 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-08-15 10:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Not to mention the fact there are most certainly bad people who will exploit any opportunities they can find to cheat. Anyone who believes otherwise is again being gullible.
#46 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

If Trump isn't at the top of your list of exploiters, you're gullible beyond help.

#52 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-08-15 10:27 PM | Reply

Tony,

"The most popular are security envelopes with signatures of each voter which will be compared to their signatures on file each time that they vote"

What could possibly go wrong in that step?

No opportunity for fraud or bottleneck there.

#53 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-08-15 10:34 PM | Reply

A bottleneck disaster ehhhhhh. Pulling out all the excuses to defend Trump ehhhhhhh Bill?? I may need to wrap my hand around a bottle neck to wash down your willfull stupidity.

#54 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-08-15 10:40 PM | Reply

Laura,

I've made a career out of working on information systems that on paper were fine and even functioned well until they didn't.

People take shortcuts, don't follow instructions and overlook things.

Usually it's not deliberate or even laziness.

It's human error. People may not always be adequately trained or qualified for the duties they've been assigned. And it's a sure bet things will not be setup correctly in some places.

People and systems are not perfect.

The problem is not all states are as far along as other states with mail in voting. This is not an ideal way to implement something as important as a presidental election without more time to plan and prepare.

#55 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-08-15 11:08 PM | Reply

This is not an ideal way to implement something as important as a presidental election without more time to plan and prepare.

Could have started several months ago when most of the world thought Covid was going to be problematic.

#56 | Posted by REDIAL at 2020-08-15 11:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"This is not an ideal way to implement something as important as a presidental election without more time to plan and prepare."

And if you've know this since mid-March, and haven't lifted a finger by mid-August, are you part of the solution or part of the problem?

#57 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-08-15 11:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Laura,

"Defend Trump"

Why would I need to defend Trump?

Defend from what?

Are you saying he has a valid point that democrats will try to cheat?

I'm talking about the potential for fraud and bottlenecking in general.

Fraud by anyone.

My concern is the legitimacy of this election.

I want Trump to win but only fair and square.

#58 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-08-15 11:32 PM | Reply

Redial,

Blah blah blah.

Tunnel vision.

Blocked.

#59 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-08-15 11:35 PM | Reply

Bill is a sensitive little hothouse flower, is he not? LOL.

#60 | Posted by REDIAL at 2020-08-15 11:48 PM | Reply

#59 - if you're offended by Redial you are one f**ked up little right-wing Witch of the West.

"Ohhh! You cursed brat! Look what you've done! YOU ARE BLOCKED!"

Whew! Just in time!

#61 | Posted by YAV at 2020-08-15 11:52 PM | Reply

No Bill. The only one that's cheating is Trump and you're carrying his wee water by making excuses for him. What a bullschhiter you are Bill.

#62 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-08-15 11:59 PM | Reply

"The problem is not all states are as far along as other states with mail in voting."

Thanks, Federalism!

But seriously, literally every state currently has a vote by mail option.

Every state.

#63 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-08-16 10:46 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I'm talking about the potential for fraud and bottlenecking in general."

Removing the mail sorting machines, thing that might cause bottlenecks?

#64 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-08-16 10:48 AM | Reply

I wonder if one of the very few people that isn't blocked by BillJohnson can ask him to post a list of all the people he's got kill filed? That'd be hilarious!

#65 | Posted by YAV at 2020-08-16 12:46 PM | Reply

#65 - Why bother? He'd just lie.

#66 | Posted by REDIAL at 2020-08-16 12:51 PM | Reply

I can't believe he blocked you, Redial.

I wonder what it looks like when he clicks on a post? What does he think when the comments page comes up and there's only a post like this:

#74 | POSTED BY ...

and that's it.

Does he wonder what all the other posts that are blocked said? At some point, why bother coming here at all?

I think it's rather comical. :)

#67 | Posted by YAV at 2020-08-16 01:33 PM | Reply

Redial,

Lying is not my style.

I'm likely one of the least lying unpretentious people you'll ever know.

I'm honest to a fault but I don't use honesty to be offensive or hurtful.

#68 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-08-16 01:39 PM | Reply

Redial,
Blah blah blah.
Tunnel vision.
Blocked.
#59 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON AT 2020-08-15 11:35 PM | REPLY

Redial,
Lying is not my style.
I'm likely one of the least lying unpretentious people you'll ever know.
I'm honest to a fault but I don't use honesty to be offensive or hurtful.
#68 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON AT 2020-08-16 01:39 PM | FLAG:

#59, #68, seems like a lie or BJ unblocked Redial, not to mention there's a little issue with consistency. Just an observation...

#69 | Posted by YAV at 2020-08-16 01:45 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Lying is not my style."

You're joking, right? You're a gay man who married a woman so he could stay in the closet. Lying is your go-to default.

#70 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-08-16 04:36 PM | Reply

Removing the mail sorting machines, thing that might cause bottlenecks?

#64 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2020-08-16 10:48 AM | FLAG:

And allowing dumbasses to,post rhetoric may increase dumbass rhetoric.

#71 | Posted by rjm53 at 2020-08-16 08:38 PM | Reply

Oh my goodness. We're screwed.

#72 | Posted by rjm53 at 2020-08-16 08:52 PM | Reply

In person voting needs to be the norm.

#73 | Posted by rjm53 at 2020-08-16 08:58 PM | Reply

Rj,

I never said I agree removing sorting machines is a good idea.

Personally I don't know enough about postal processing to have an opinion.

On one hand it could create bottlenecks. On the other hand it may create a situation where mail processing could be more centralized and a more efficient system could be devised.

Too many systems out there are patchwork designs that grew over time just adding more and more of the same poorly functioning processes.

Regarding removing sorting machines. It may just be a first step toward dismantling old out of date systems that have been politically protected.

Or it could be a fiasco.

I don't know.

Do you?

#74 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-08-16 09:21 PM | Reply

Rj,

I see now what you meant.

Yes...i agree anonymous in person voting should be the norm.

With options available for people who meet certain criteria to vote who are incapable of voting in person.

Otherwise we must show up in person to cast our vote.

I have no issues with being required to show ID.

#75 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-08-16 09:27 PM | Reply

www.theusconstitution.org

One of the earliest known instances of absentee voting occurred during the American Revolution. In December 1775, a group of soldiers from the Continental Army sent a letter back to their town asking if their votes could be counted in a local election. And at the town meeting held to discuss the issue, the town agreed to count the votes "as if the men were present themselves."

There were also some limited examples of absentee voting during the War of 1812. For example, during the war, Pennsylvania allowed soldiers to cast absentee ballots if they were stationed more than two miles from their home; however, this law was ultimately declared unconstitutional in 1862 because under Pennsylvania's constitution, soliders could only vote in the election districts where they resided when they entered the military, and the law at issue allowed soliders to vote outside of those districts. New Jersey also had a similar law dating back to 1815, but that law was repealed in 1820.

#76 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-08-16 09:46 PM | Reply

BillJohnson's following that idiot Jeff's lead - which is so stupid it hurts. And BJ's too dumb to know how stupid it is to everyone reading those two's posts. G-d damn it'd be funny if it wasn't so pathetic!

#77 | Posted by YAV at 2020-08-16 09:48 PM | Reply

Democrats want as much potential fraud as possible because they believe it will benefit them.

#78 | Posted by rjm53 at 2020-08-16 10:09 PM | Reply

It's nice to see JeffJ with the hood finally off.

Now, why are you here, exactly, after you got banned?

#79 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-08-17 02:03 AM | Reply

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