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Tuesday, September 01, 2020

Joe Biden flipped the script on Trump yesterday during a campaign speech in Pittsburgh: "He keeps telling us if he were president you would feel safe. Well he is president, whether he knows it or not," Biden said. "Does anyone think there will be less violence in America if Donald Trump is reelected?"

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#1 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-09-01 01:21 PM | Reply

Good question as it brings up a good point. My answer is no. I don't feel safe when the appointed leader of our country lacks leadership skills, during a time that desperately calls for leadership.

#2 | Posted by hamburglar at 2020-09-01 01:27 PM | Reply

I feel less safe today than I have at any other time in my life.

#3 | Posted by danni at 2020-09-01 01:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The president of this country can only keep us safe from foreign governments. It's the local city/county/state resources that can keep you safe in your neighborhood. Did Trump or anyone in his administration hire the cops that killed George Floyd? Freddy Grey? Michael Brown? Tamir Rice? Breonna Taylor? Nope. Local municipalities. I hope you're not thinking that you're less safe in your home because of Trump. That would be misguided. Maybe you should focus your attention/fear on your local governments.

#4 | Posted by Rocky_b at 2020-09-01 02:00 PM | Reply

The president of this country can only keep us safe from foreign governments.

He is, however, unable to keep America safe from his administration and his ineptitude.

Also. He ignored the threat of COVID-19.

So. Looks like you're completely wrong. As, it seems, is usual for you.

#5 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-09-01 02:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

He. Has. No. Leadership. Skills. We need a leader.

#6 | Posted by hamburglar at 2020-09-01 02:03 PM | Reply

The president of this country can only keep us safe from foreign governments. It's the local city/county/state resources that can keep you safe in your neighborhood. Did Trump or anyone in his administration hire the cops that killed George Floyd? Freddy Grey? Michael Brown? Tamir Rice? Breonna Taylor? Nope. Local municipalities. I hope you're not thinking that you're less safe in your home because of Trump. That would be misguided. Maybe you should focus your attention/fear on your local governments.

#4 | POSTED BY ROCKY_B

You may want to educate yourself. I know you won't, but....

www.theguardian.com

#7 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-09-01 02:08 PM | Reply

Leadership skills: www.psychologytoday.com

#8 | Posted by hamburglar at 2020-09-01 02:16 PM | Reply

Please don't assume that I'm myopic in my views. I went to the Guardian web site and read the article. What I find interesting is that by removing the federal consent decree, there was nothing in the article about individual municipalities affecting change in their locals. If I am to understand your issue, you seem to be saying that the removal of the federal consent decree has stopped a local law enforcement or the local leaders from cleaning their own house. Some might say that what Trump was removing the federal government from this oversight process and allowing the locals to make the changes without having the government mandating the changes. There's a particular line in this article that I find most interesting "It's appalling that today's justice department is saying that police are now immune from any consequences of their bad conduct " that is terribly dangerous and corrosive," Two things seem to be clear to me: 1. Most of the racist policing issues are coming from democratically controlled cities. Why aren't the local leaders cleaning their own house. Why do they need the feds to step in. and 2. Most on this site think Trump is a tyrant and wants to control everything. The time when Trump gives the control back to the local government, you complain that he's relinquishing his authority. You cannot have it both ways. Give me something else to read.

#9 | Posted by Rocky_b at 2020-09-01 02:45 PM | Reply

Clownshack, I'm making this request honestly. Back the clock up to Mid-January. What should Trump have done? I await your response. I am sick and tired of this line from the left that Trump didn't do enough. OK. tell me what he should have done. Be specific please.

#10 | Posted by Rocky_b at 2020-09-01 02:48 PM | Reply

"The president of this country can only keep us safe from foreign governments."

Like the foreign government that sent us the China Virus?

#11 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-09-01 02:50 PM | Reply

"Back the clock up to Mid-January. What should Trump have done?"

This has already been answered.
Here it is again:
What South Korea did.
What Germany did.

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-09-01 02:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#10 The Trump administration,gutted Obama's pandemic readiness system. They felt it was expensive and unnecessary. Trump refused to take the outbreak seriously even after we had cases here. He said it would just "disappear". He said 15 cases would drop to none. He undermined a Unified national response by pitting the states against one another based on his personal whims.

Trump has made a lethal epidemic,that has killed hundreds of thousands of Americans all about HIM. His re-election is more important to him than their lives and well being, especially if they happen to be Democrats.

Trump has needlessly divided the nation about lockdowns,masks and other ways of controlling the spread of deadly disease to boost his own political fortunes.

In brief,he is a sociopathic, selfish ------- who only cares about his own microscopically narrow interests,not the public good.

He is an abomination. He's got to go.

Vote Biden 2020.

#13 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-09-01 03:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Snoofy, You're telling me that you would have been OK if the Federal Government would have locked you in your home for say 3 months or until we had a cure? Here's a timeline that most people haven't seen in a while. I collected this timeline in early April and some of the early details have changed.

12/31 First documented Case in China (only recently, there are people who say it might have been there earlier)
1/11 First Death in China (ditto above)
1/21 First Case in US
1/30 First person to person infection occurs in US
1/31 Trump stops travel from China (note that no one in the US had died yet)
2/11 The WHO named the virus (Trump then closed the border before they even named the virus)
2/14 First person dies in France (visitor from China by the way) - (first person in all of Europe)
2/26 First case documented "community spread" in the US
2/29 First death in the US
3/11 Trump closes travel from Europe

We've all been through a lot but I don't think most of us realize how quickly we went from the first announced death in China to thousands. Your comment about Trump not protecting us against a virus is beneath your intellect. Who do you think could have stopped this virus? Obama? Hillary? Biden? Again, you haven't said what Trump should have done differently other than South Korea and Germany. Until we have a cure or a vaccine, there's a limit to what anyone can do. Locking down a our country until there's a cure or vaccine was never an option.

Be more specific please or don't bring up this issue again.

#14 | Posted by Rocky_b at 2020-09-01 03:12 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Rocky, I appreciate your effort to pursue the topic. Look into what Camden NJ did with regards to their police force. A few years ago they completely revamped their police force and have seen a dramatic reduction in violent crime. Basically, went to a community policing model. That makes everyone safer-police and citizens.

Now that wasn't in response to a federal action, granted. However, the federal government has a significant role in local policing. Primarily where it comes to civil rights violations and using their federal policing grant programs to assure better communities. I agree, the local and state governments should not be resolved of responsibility. But you would have to be seriously myopic to ignore the federal role in policing.

Compound that with the messaging coming directly from -------------- for more heavy handed policing, using federal forces to abuse citizen's rights-gassing protesting citizens for a photo op, ignoring completely the police killings and you have clear evidence that ------- is NOT protecting the citizens, which he has a clear responsibility to do.

#15 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-09-01 03:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I, for one, remember January 2020 very clearly. I recall, very clearly, the calls by professionals to implement social distancing measures, to start wearing masks, to implement testing and tracing. I recall, very clearly, -------, minimizing the threat. I recall, very clearly, ------- calling the threat of the virus a democratic hoax. I recall, very clearly, when ------- supposedly prevented people from entering from China that experts were saying there were too many loopholes and that the closure should have been extended to Europe. I remember clearly WHO offering testing kits which were refused. etc. etc. etc

#16 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-09-01 03:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Trump could have kept the pandemic readiness system in place and properly funded.

He didn't.

Trump could have mounted a unified federal response to the virus. Meaning he gave the states funds and help as needed even if they were Democratic majority states.

He didn't.

Trump has held rallies without social distancing that caused the deaths of his own supporters,like Herman Cain. He has shown no remorse about their deaths,no sense of regret or responsibility.

Trump could have worn a mask in public as soon As it became known they were helping to stop the spread. Instead he Politized the whole idea of wearing them until the deaths were in the hundreds of thousands. Even now he takes no responsibility for his words and actions.

Trump has repeatedly undermined scientific understanding of the virus in favor of his "gut" beliefs based on nothing but his uneducated opinions that change almost daily.

Trump has screwed the pooch on this.

Face it,your golden idol is tarnished.

#17 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-09-01 03:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

OK. tell me what he should have done. Be specific please.

#10 | POSTED BY ROCKY_B

The very least he could have done was to tell people to take the virus seriously. Listen to CDC guidelines and local health authorities. That alone would have made a difference. Instead, he tricked millions of Americans into believing the virus was nothing to worry about. Tens of thousands of lives could have been saved.

#18 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2020-09-01 03:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"You're telling me that you would have been OK if the Federal Government would have locked you in your home for say 3 months...?

You mean...OK if we had it behind us for two months already? Fine by me.

Show some math: how much of the GDP would've been rescued via that method?

#19 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-09-01 03:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"tell me what he should have done. Be specific please."

Here's the pandemic playbook Obama left behind for his successor:
www.documentcloud.org

Specific enough for you?

#20 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-09-01 03:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Do you think -------- (funny, by the way) response with federal forces was because the local forces weren't doing much or because ------- just wanted to use federal forces because he likes his SS? On a separate note, I saw a great lawn sign today that read ByeDon with the Biden logo. Very clever.

And on your virus clarity: It was the Scientists that at first were saying that masks weren't necessary. You got me on the Democrat Hoax one and downplaying the threat, I thought that was stupid. His actions, however, were different from his stupid statements. Regarding the WHO tests. Look that one up. They weren't accurate and many countries that did get them ended up returning them. With regard to the China "loopholes" that you reference, most of those were US citizens who either lived or were traveling in China. Boy I would have loved to have seen that Sh*tstorm if -------- ban included US citizens. Now that we have 20/20 vision on this virus, people seem to continue to use current wisdom to blame Trump (and the scientists) for not knowing in January what we know now.

#21 | Posted by Rocky_b at 2020-09-01 03:35 PM | Reply

" It was the Scientists that at first were saying that masks weren't necessary. "

If you're referring to Fauci, you're misrepresenting the circumstance: he downplayed mask wearing by the public, since the front line health workers would've had to compete, at a time when they were woefully under-supplied.

"With regard to the China "loopholes" that you reference, most of those were US citizens who either lived or were traveling in China."

Which makes Trump's claim false. It's also misleading; genome researched proved most of the CV was coming from Europe:
www.bloomberg.com

#22 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-09-01 03:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

- 20/20 vision on this virus

Was never required to react responsibly with already established plans and expertise from the previous admin, rather than with denial, quack prescriptions, quack aides, quack tweets, and obvious lies.

If it waddles like a duck and tweets like a duck....

#23 | Posted by Corky at 2020-09-01 03:41 PM | Reply

I am sick and tired of this line from the left that Trump didn't do enough. OK. tell me what he should have done. Be specific please.

#10 | POSTED BY ROCKY_B

You are not sick of winning already are you???

The problem is, being as Trumpy and Trumpism IS the problem, he has already done too much. There is only one thing let he can do.

Resign. For the good of country. America first remember? Then maybe could truly make America great. Or at least it will be a little more perfect once Humpy is gone.

#24 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-09-01 04:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Now that we have 20/20 vision on this virus, people seem to continue to use current wisdom to blame Trump (and the scientists) for not knowing in January what we know now.

#21 | POSTED BY ROCKY_B

We've known for a while now that masks can help a great deal. Trump had to be begged to be shown wearing a mask just once - at a hospital.

Have you seen the convention and recent rallies? Mask wearing and basic social distancing completely ignored. Tens of thousands of more lives are going to be lost because Trump is just hoping the virus away.

#25 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2020-09-01 04:13 PM | Reply

"Snoofy, You're telling me that you would have been OK if the Federal Government would have locked you in your home for say 3 months or until we had a cure?"

That is not what South Korea did.

That is not what Germany did.

However, that would have been an improvement over what the United States did -- at least from the point of view of containing the pandemic.

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-09-01 05:12 PM | Reply

Drudgie Award nominee for Best Gang Thrashing of an Idiot Poster goes to... Everybody but Rocky.

#27 | Posted by bocaink at 2020-09-01 05:34 PM | Reply

Nice

#28 | Posted by Rocky_b at 2020-09-01 05:43 PM | Reply

American COVID19 deaths: 180,000+
South Korean COVID19 deaths: 316

#29 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2020-09-01 06:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I have a Big Government deadbolt lock:
www.youtube.com

#30 | Posted by LesWit at 2020-09-01 09:28 PM | Reply

"Rocky, I appreciate your effort to pursue the topic. Look into what Camden NJ did with regards to their police force."

I think you're making Rocky's point for him. The city of Camden disbanded their police force, re-hiring some but not others and taking a new approach, which seems to be working out.

But it was the city of Camden that elected to take those measures. The Federal Government didn't order them to disband. Nor did they provide direction on how the city should reform their police force.

#31 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-09-02 07:55 AM | Reply

It almost sounds to me like you're arguing that all polices forces should be federally managed.

Like the ones that were sent to Portland to protect the city from rioters.

#32 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-09-02 07:56 AM | Reply

Maybe the Federal Government could incentivize the kind of policing we want through conditional grants. They could promulgate "best practices" and collect data to measure progress.

But I guess that's communism or socialism or some other -ism that is objectionable to "Right Thinking Americans".

#33 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2020-09-02 09:11 AM | Reply

"Maybe the Federal Government could incentivize the kind of policing we want through conditional grants."

What kind of policing do "we" want?

I didn't realize that there had been any sort of nationwide consensus on that topic.

#34 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-09-02 10:15 AM | Reply

"They could promulgate "best practices" and collect data to measure progress."

That's a good idea. But I think it's a reactionary response.

I have a sneaking suspicion that the knee-to-neck maneuver that killed George Floyd was probably recommended as a best practice, non-lethal solution for dealing with uncooperative suspects.

#35 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-09-02 10:20 AM | Reply

I don't think any of the numbers from any country can be believed. What is a Covid death? Has that been defined internationally?

#36 | Posted by Rocky_b at 2020-09-02 11:43 AM | Reply

"What is a Covid death?"

When someone contracts Covid, and dies.

Any other interpretation is akin to pretending you can't murder someone in hospice.

#37 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-09-02 11:45 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"I don't think any of the numbers from any country can be believed."

Too low, or too high?

#38 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-09-02 11:46 AM | Reply

If we are using "America" as it relates to distance (3.8 million Sq.Miles) I would definitely say NO!

#39 | Posted by robcooper24 at 2020-09-02 12:02 PM | Reply

"When someone contracts Covid, and dies."

What if someone contracts COVID and dies in a car crash?

In some states in the US, that would be recorded as a COVID death, even though they didn't die of COVID.

There is a monetary incentive for hospitals to report a death as being related to COVID, as the reimbursement rate is higher.

#40 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-09-02 12:21 PM | Reply

#40 - "What if someone contracts COVID and dies in a car crash?

In some states in the US, that would be recorded as a COVID death, even though they didn't die of COVID."

How about some proof, comrade?

#41 | Posted by getoffmedz at 2020-09-02 01:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"In some states in the US, that would be recorded as a COVID death, even though they didn't die of COVID."

That sounds like MadBomber and the rest of the Deplorables, who say George Floyd can die from asphyxiation after spending eight minutes and forty-six seconds being choked under a police officer's knee, even though he didn't die due to asphyxiation by the police.

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-09-02 01:08 PM | Reply

I live in the country so yeah I'm safe. I'm not safe though when it comes to getting sick from Corona.

#43 | Posted by byrdman at 2020-09-02 01:11 PM | Reply

I'm not safe though when it comes to getting sick from Corona.
#43 | POSTED BY BYRDMAN

So no, you're not safe in Donald Trump's America.

Nobody is.

#44 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-09-02 01:14 PM | Reply

In some states in the US, that would be recorded as a COVID death, even though they didn't die of COVID.

In NO STATES would an accidental death (car crash) be listed as being caused by covid because covid is a NATURAL cause of death.

Spoken like a true ignoramus who's been told this over and over again. Try looking at an actual death certificate once and stop spewing ignorance from the right wing fever swamps.

#45 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-09-02 01:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

There is a monetary incentive for hospitals...
#40 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Suddenly the profit motive is suspect to Right-wingers?
Even if, how many "car crash" scenarios do you think there are?

#46 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2020-09-02 01:17 PM | Reply

"What if someone contracts COVID and dies in a car crash?"

The same as if you commit murder at a hospice. In the first instance, the cause of death is a car crash. In the second, you've committed a murder.

#47 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-09-02 01:23 PM | Reply

"How about some proof, comrade?"

I've posted it before, but OK.

"During Gov. JB Pritzker's health briefing on Sunday, Dr. Ngozi Ezike, the Illinois Department of Public Health director, said anyone who had COVID-19 at the time of death, even if the person died of other causes, is counted among the COVID deaths.

www.theherald-news.com"

#48 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-09-02 01:28 PM | Reply

"In NO STATES would an accidental death (car crash) be listed as being caused by covid because covid is a NATURAL cause of death."

"Washington Inflates COVID-19 Numbers, Includes Gunshot Victims Among Deaths"

www.westernjournal.com

#49 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-09-02 01:33 PM | Reply

"Even if, how many "car crash" scenarios do you think there are?"

Bingo.

It would take a massive amount of crash deaths to move the needle. As it is, the number is (Percentage of car crash deaths to total deaths) times (Percentage of population testing positive for COVID). And that number is supposed to be significant?!?

So...how many, MB?

#50 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-09-02 01:35 PM | Reply

"If someone dies with COVID-19, we are counting that as a COVID-19 death."

-Deborah Birx

#51 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-09-02 01:35 PM | Reply

"So...how many, MB?"

It's not easy to tell. When you count anyone who dies after being infected as a COVID death, it would get tricky to separate those who died from COVID and those who died with COVID.

#52 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-09-02 01:38 PM | Reply

"www.westernjournal.com"

Great: an opinion piece from an outlet no one's ever heard of.

Meanwhile, from the website feeding WJ:
From Governor Insley: "We have about five deaths-less than five deaths-that we know of that are related to obvious other causes. In this case, they are from gunshot wounds."

That's out of almost 900 cases...so roughly 1/2 of 1 percent. And that moves the needle how much???

#53 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-09-02 01:40 PM | Reply

"If someone dies with COVID-19, we are counting that as a COVID-19 death."

Probably because COVID has been shown to attack the pulmonary system.

But tell us...all those folks with AIDS who died of pneumonia...did they die of AIDS?

#54 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-09-02 01:43 PM | Reply

"During Gov. JB Pritzker's health briefing on Sunday, Dr. Ngozi Ezike, the Illinois Department of Public Health director, said anyone who had COVID-19 at the time of death, even if the person died of other causes, is counted among the COVID deaths.
#48 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

"Ezike said that the state is being careful to make sure to weed out deaths where the patient had COVID-19, but died in a manner completely detached from the virus, such as gunshot wounds or motor vehicle crashes...So we are at IDPH trying to remove those obvious cases where the COVID diagnosis was not the reason for the death. If there was a gunshot wound, if there was a motor vehicle accident, we know that that was not related to the COVID positive status."
www.nbcchicago.com

So you're a liar if you claim your quote supports the notion that motor vehicle accident deaths are counted as COVID deaths. Nothing new there.

#55 | Posted by JOE at 2020-09-02 01:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So you're a liar if you claim your quote supports the notion that motor vehicle accident deaths are counted as COVID deaths. Nothing new there.

Of course not. It's the intentional misinterpretation of something most intelligent people would have discerned that Mad simply ignores as you noted above.

A homocide by definition means death caused by ANOTHER HUMAN BEING. Covid is NOT a human being.

If governments are misclassifying deaths, then that's what they're doing. But up is not down no matter what a bureaucrat might say.

#56 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-09-02 01:52 PM | Reply

"Washington Inflates COVID-19 Numbers, Includes Gunshot Victims Among Deaths"

Are gunshot deaths accidental? Come back and pick up your goal posts. You left them lying around about 10 posts ago.

#57 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-09-02 01:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Help me out here, conservative readers. Serious question.

Trump claims that America's cities will be looted and burned if Biden is elected.

But what looting and burning that is taking place (not much, but still, I denounce ANY looting and burning FTR) is taking place NOW, on Trump's watch.
So, my question to these readers is:
Is Trump lying, deflecting, ignoring the present, combinations of those, or something else I have missed?

#58 | Posted by e1g1 at 2020-09-02 02:15 PM | Reply

You're all hitting on the problem. Domestically, let alone internationally, we don't have a specific way of counting COVID deaths which is why I don't necessarily believe in the numbers coming from North Korea or China. It's highly possible that we're being very liberal in our counting. There's a story about a motorcyclist in Florida who died from his injuries and was classified as a COVID death because he did indeed test positive for COVID after death. (www.newsweek.com) This was later reversed after the investigation. And to the poster who used the AIDS example, you are completely right, no one dies OF AIDS, they die from something else caused by AIDS. We all saw the report from earlier in the week that stated that only 6% of people die from COVID. Maybe this is the number that Korea is using to show their low numbers. Until someone internationally defines what constitutes a COVID death and ALL countries follow the definition, comparing one country to another is meaningless.

#59 | Posted by Rocky_b at 2020-09-02 02:22 PM | Reply

Didn't the CDC just put out that 92% of those who have died with Covid had other complicating factors as well?

That statistic muddies the water a bit. To me it says that Covid added to a toxic mix of other complications and the result was death - that had those other health issues not been there some of those individuals wouldn't have died from Covid alone.

Long-short I can comfortably say that the actual numbers of Covid deaths being reported is higher than what is in reality but even with more accurate accounting the actual number of deaths that can primarily be attributed to Covid is still a really big number.

#60 | Posted by zetaleph at 2020-09-02 02:25 PM | Reply

"'Are you Safe in Donald Trump's America?'"

As long as I stay away from cities run by Democrats who allow riots to roll on unabated, yes, I am safe.

#61 | Posted by zetaleph at 2020-09-02 02:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

yes, I am safe.

#61 | Posted by zetaleph at 2020

Why not visit Trump's Texas and die of COVID?

#62 | Posted by Zed at 2020-09-02 02:31 PM | Reply

To me it says that Covid added to a toxic mix of other complications and the result was death - that had those other health issues not been there some of those individuals wouldn't have died from Covid alone.

While we're speculating, couldn't one just as easily say that had the person not contracted Covid they wouldn't have died either?

#63 | Posted by JOE at 2020-09-02 02:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The 200,000 who died of TrumpVirus say "---- no."

#64 | Posted by Reinheitsgebot at 2020-09-02 02:38 PM | Reply

"While we're speculating, couldn't one just as easily say that had the person not contracted Covid they wouldn't have died either?

#63 | POSTED BY JOE AT 2020-09-02 02:35 PM"

Yes. I thought I acknowledged that angle - I certainly intended to.

#65 | Posted by zetaleph at 2020-09-02 02:43 PM | Reply

"...cities run by Democrats..." - Zetaleph

Which is pretty much almost every city in the USA with a population of more than 500,000. Meaning your statement is basically just stupid.

#66 | Posted by moder8 at 2020-09-02 02:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

couldn't one just as easily say that had the person not contracted Covid they wouldn't have died either?

#63 | POSTED BY JOE AT 2020

Everyone dies sooner or later, Jackass. So I guess you mean that no one ever dies of COVID.

#67 | Posted by Zed at 2020-09-02 02:56 PM | Reply

"If governments are misclassifying deaths, then that's what they're doing. But up is not down no matter what a bureaucrat might say."

On June 14th the CDC altered the method by which new COVID cases are reported.

Take a look at this chart. What happens after June 14th?

www.google.com

#68 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-09-02 02:57 PM | Reply

Sorry, JOE. My remark is not directed at you. It's for the fascist.

#69 | Posted by Zed at 2020-09-02 02:58 PM | Reply

"Why not visit Trump's Texas and die of COVID?"

Unless you're an old, obese diabetic with heart problems, you'll probably not even know you had it.

#70 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-09-02 02:59 PM | Reply

Unless you're an old, obese diabetic with heart problems, you'll probably not even know you had it.

#70 | Posted by madbomber at

Now, you must know that's not true.

#71 | Posted by Zed at 2020-09-02 03:00 PM | Reply

I'm off to hang out on a beach in Crete for the next seven days. Maybe I'll catch COVID.

My co-workers who recently went there did.

#72 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-09-02 03:01 PM | Reply

"Now, you must know that's not true."

Shall I post the stats?

#73 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-09-02 03:02 PM | Reply

From one of MB's links...

"We have about five deaths " less than five deaths " that we know of that are related to obvious other causes. In this case, they are from gunshot wounds."
Hutchinson said such deaths will eventually be removed from the state's COVID-19 count.

#74 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2020-09-02 03:09 PM | Reply

I'm off to hang out on a beach in Crete for the next seven days.

That's an expensive way to run away from a thread where you're getting ---- on.

Maybe I'll catch COVID.

I'll pray for the doctors and nurses forced to interact with your stupid ass.

#75 | Posted by JOE at 2020-09-02 03:11 PM | Reply

Hey MadBomber,

If a black naval aviator goes into a dive and loses consciousness from the
g forces when he tries to pull up because he has sickle cell disease, did he die because he was a bad pilot or because he had sickle cell disease?

#76 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-09-02 03:13 PM | Reply

"Shall I post the stats?"

The ones which ignore any and all residual damage, and pretend Covid won't lead to pulmonary and vascular problems in the future? Those stats?!?

Sure, post away....

#77 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-09-02 03:14 PM | Reply

Stats:

www.sciencealert.com

Unless you think people are just randomly dying 8-12 percent more this year for some MAGICAL UNEXPLAINED reason, here is your bleeping stat moron.

#78 | Posted by bocaink at 2020-09-02 03:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"That's an expensive way to run away from a thread where you're getting ---- on."

Calm down princess, I'm taking my computer with me. Maybe I'll post a pic or two.

"I'll pray for the doctors and nurses forced to interact with your stupid ass."

Don't bother.

You may be in the at-risk category. Me-not so much.

#79 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-09-02 03:24 PM | Reply

no

#80 | Posted by fresno500 at 2020-09-02 03:24 PM | Reply

"If a black naval aviator goes into a dive and loses consciousness from the
g forces when he tries to pull up because he has sickle cell disease, did he die because he was a bad pilot or because he had sickle cell disease?"

He died from G-LOC dude.

Stop pretending to know about this ----. Stick to pot and social justice. You're out of you're element when it comes to these things.

#81 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-09-02 03:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You may be in the at-risk category.

I'm not.

Me-not so much.

Does that absolve you from responsibility if you willingly put yourself at risk of contraction and then pass it on to a doctor who is unlucky enough to treat you?

You really still don't understand how viruses spread, do you?

#82 | Posted by JOE at 2020-09-02 03:26 PM | Reply

"Sorry, JOE. My remark is not directed at you. It's for the fascist.

#69 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2020-09-02 02:58 PM"

Which makes it every bit as stupid because I agreed with Joe's comment

#83 | Posted by zetaleph at 2020-09-02 03:30 PM | Reply

"He died from G-LOC dude."

But it wouldn't have happened if he didn't have sickle cell, dude.

I'm describing history here. Some people can live just fine with sickle cell, and don't even know they have it... until it kills them in unexpected ways.

That's when the military started testing for it.

Get it?

#84 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-09-02 04:05 PM | Reply

So no, you're not safe in Donald Trump's America.
Nobody is.

#44 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2020-09-02 01:14 PM

From a riot yes but from the pandemic no. We have an incompetent president that doesn't care about 95% of Americans. Too bad some on the right don't realize it.

Sometimes I want to scream at my coworkers. They go on and on how he cares about middle America and all I can think is how Trump would love to see all of them working for 35 cents an hour in some sweat shop.

#85 | Posted by byrdman at 2020-09-02 05:09 PM | Reply

Unless you're an old, obese diabetic with heart problems, you'll probably not even know you had it.

#70 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

More than 900 frontline healthcare workers have died of Covid-19, according to an interactive database unveiled today by the Guardian and KHN. www.theguardian.com

And that doesn't address those who survived infection and have long-term health problems as a result. My cardiologist (a healthy man in his mid-thirties) contracted COVID19 in March and he still hasn't completely recovered.

BTW: so it's ok if "old, obese diabetic with heart problems" die of COVID as long as the economy is humming, right?

Damn useless eaters...

#86 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2020-09-02 08:24 PM | Reply

Rachel Maddow just put to words how incredibly paradoxical Donald Trump's pivot to law and order is based on the reality of the current circumstances:

"This horrible urban hellscape that we're living in now is the future that's in store for the country if Joe Biden is elected President.

See how terrible things are? Keep me in charge so this won't happen."

2020 in a nutshell.

#87 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-09-02 09:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

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