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Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Friday, September 04, 2020

More than 410,000 people in the US could die from the coronavirus by January 1, more than doubling the current death toll, a new model often cited by top health officials predicted Friday.

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And Republicans across the country Yawned...

"Well, as long as it's not affecting any Rich White People I know...",
they were heard to mutter...

#1 | Posted by earthmuse at 2020-09-04 10:22 AM | Reply

Being somewhat elderly this prediction actually does frighten me. We need leadership that will actually do something to prevent numbers like that from happening and it is quite obvious that Trump isn't going to do anything.

#2 | Posted by danni at 2020-09-04 10:35 AM | Reply

Donald Trump and the Republican Party are on record supporting 2.3 million American deaths in order to promote herd immunity.

So, from their perspective, a good start.

#3 | Posted by Zed at 2020-09-04 10:37 AM | Reply

USA USA USA

#4 | Posted by SunTzuMeow at 2020-09-04 10:42 AM | Reply

Merry Christmas America!

#5 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-09-04 10:44 AM | Reply

ask any clown..."the best is yet to come."

#6 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2020-09-04 10:50 AM | Reply

SUNY Oneonta just closed, switching to all online classes after they found over 400 students test positive in the first two weeks of classes. Thousands of young people so self absorbed believing that even if they get sick it won't bother them much so they disregard all precautions. It's the nightmare scenario.

#7 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2020-09-04 10:55 AM | Reply

Congrats Trumpers! Keep pushing and you can double that!

#8 | Posted by byrdman at 2020-09-04 11:00 AM | Reply

Greeks houses at Indiana University have been reporting infection rates of 85%.

Who could've guessed that sending young adults back to college campuses would amplify the spread of coronavirus?

If only there was a government agency that could provide guidance on health matters such as these, that Americans could trust to put the health of this nation over the political concerns of elected representatives....

If only....

One can dream, can't they?

#9 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-09-04 11:01 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's all Obama's fault.

They left him a broken test for a virus that didn't exist until 2019.

Sad.

#10 | Posted by Nixon at 2020-09-04 11:16 AM | Reply

This can't be!

Ever since they read some meme last week, my flat-earther friends are all saying there have been less than 10,000 deaths!

#11 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2020-09-04 11:16 AM | Reply

Who could've guessed that sending young adults back to college campuses would amplify the spread of coronavirus?

Frats and sororities are the domain of the wealthy students. They idolize Hair Furhor and his baloney. This is not shocking at all.

#12 | Posted by Nixon at 2020-09-04 11:19 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#12 ... Frats and sororities are the domain of the wealthy students. ...

I don't agree with that.

It is more based upon the individual school and, even more so, the individual frat or sorority within that school.

The problem with college students getting COVID-19 is that they are at the social age in their life, and they have been unable to socialize for months. College campuses are set up for socializing almost as much as they are set up for sports.




#13 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-09-04 11:35 AM | Reply

"Frats and sororities are the domain of the wealthy students. They idolize Hair Furhor and his baloney. This is not shocking at all.
#12 | POSTED BY NIXON"

I was just at SUNY Fredonia to see my great granddau.
If anyone dared wear a MAGA hat on campus they'd be lucky to make it out alive.
Nixon thou art FOS.

#14 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2020-09-04 11:53 AM | Reply

400,000 dead??

That's so Boring!!

-Beverly

#15 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-09-04 11:55 AM | Reply

New Covid-19 Death Forecast Sees Big Cold-Weather Boost in Cases
www.bloomberg.com

...A new long-term forecast predicts a significant increase in Covid-19 deaths in the U.S. by the new year.

Under the latest projections from the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation at the University of Washington's School of Medicine, Covid-19 deaths could rise to 410,451 by the end of 2020. In a worst-case scenario, there could be 620,029 fatalities, according to the estimates.

The difference between the projected and worst-case scenarios comes down to how diligent authorities are in mandating masks and social distancing, according to the report....

[emphasis mine]

#16 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-09-04 12:06 PM | Reply

I'm going to wait for it to be half a million before I insist no one cares, again

It's only 125,000 times more deaths than Benghazi and no one made a big deal out of that

- - Eberly

#17 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2020-09-04 12:25 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

#7 | POSTED BY HAGBARD_CELINE

My parents live in Western NY state and the Erie county public health department just released the locations of COVID flares/hot spots.

As expected, they're all college campuses that reopened for the fall semester.

Goes to show (yet again) that reopening prematurely is dangerous and that even if numbers are officially "low" in an area it will explode quickly once premature opening occurs.

#18 | Posted by jpw at 2020-09-04 12:27 PM | Reply

I was just at SUNY Fredonia to see my great granddau.

How is good old Fredonia NY these days?

#19 | Posted by jpw at 2020-09-04 12:27 PM | Reply

Yep. We haven't seen the worst of this yet.

"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning."

- Winston Churchill

#20 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-09-04 12:34 PM | Reply

I'm sunning by the pool.Later I'm having some hot corned beef sandwiches at the local deli. I'm grateful my family and friends are all healthy.

Who cares if half a million Democrats and their families die. I don't know them and I don't want to.

GRACIE.

#21 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-09-04 12:36 PM | Reply

@#13 ... The problem with college students getting COVID-19 is that they are at the social age in their life, and they have been unable to socialize for months. College campuses are set up for socializing almost as much as they are set up for sports. ...

Raging Campus Outbreaks Send Students Home Across the U.S
www.bloomberg.com

...
Policies to stem Covid-19 are no match for parties and fun

Experts say schools may be incubators, threatening communities
...



#22 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-09-04 12:38 PM | Reply

Almost enough to change my mind! - Mythbomber

#23 | Posted by Corky at 2020-09-04 12:44 PM | Reply

#23

No, it's not.

He's a conservative. The only way for him to change his mind is for it to affect him personally.

That's it. End of story.

#24 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-09-04 12:52 PM | Reply

His wife's death or his children being permanently damaged "might" do it.

#25 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-09-04 01:10 PM | Reply

"Raging Campus Outbreaks Send Students Home Across the U.S"

Dr. Fauci said that is not the right thing for the colleges to be doing. They should be quarantining those students exposed right there on campus in areas where they won't spread the disease to anyone else instead of taking the virus home to infect Mom and Dad, brothers and sisters, etc. I do realize Eberly's daughter is safely quarantining in their basement but I'm just repeating what the doctor said.

#26 | Posted by danni at 2020-09-04 01:16 PM | Reply

If anyone dared wear a MAGA hat on campus they'd be lucky to make it out alive.
Nixon thou art FOS.

#14 | Posted by phesterOBoyle

Whining that you can't walk around in a klan hood and be treated nicely isn't a statement about how mean and intolerant other poeple are, it's a statement about how stupid and hateful YOU are.

#28 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-09-04 01:28 PM | Reply

[...]

Far fewer than are going to die from trump's incompetence. So why don't you care about it?

#29 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-09-04 01:29 PM | Reply

"How is good old Fredonia NY these days?
#19 | POSTED BY JPW"

Its still a very nice clean fairly quiet town.
Fredonia or Westfield are excellent places to raise a family.

#30 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2020-09-04 01:35 PM | Reply

"Whining that you can't walk around in a klan hood and be treated nicely isn't a statement about how mean and intolerant other poeple are, it's a statement about how stupid and hateful YOU are.
#28 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY"

Thanks
You just proved the adage that liberalism is a mental disease.

#31 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2020-09-04 01:37 PM | Reply

So why don't you care about it?

First, they need to actually report on true numbers first, then I might believe them.

#32 | Posted by boaz at 2020-09-04 01:42 PM | Reply

Phester just demonstrated his inability to read and understand English.

How many idiotic talking points like that do you have on your list Phester because that one just doesn't actually relate the the statement you attached it to.

#33 | Posted by danni at 2020-09-04 01:43 PM | Reply

"First, they need to actually report on true numbers first, then I might believe them."

Good Trumper answer, when the numbers a really, really bad just say you don't believe them and it all goes away, at least in your head, not in the rest of our heads.

#34 | Posted by danni at 2020-09-04 01:46 PM | Reply

First, they need to actually report on true numbers first, then I might believe them.
#32 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Look at this liar.

First of all. They are true numbers. I mean. Did you count the dead bodies after 9/11? How did you know the numbers they gave then were "true numbers"? Or any death counts given are "true numbers"?

Normally you'd have a bit more class than to question a death count. But Trump helps garbage people expose who they really are.

Second of all. I doubt you're capable of believing anything other than what Trump tells you to believe.

#35 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-09-04 01:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Is that more than 15?

Asking for a MAGAt.

#36 | Posted by anton at 2020-09-04 01:49 PM | Reply

You just proved the adage that liberalism is a mental disease.
#31 | POSTED BY PHESTEROBOYLE

Phester hates liberals.

Hitler, Mussolini, Trump... Phester loves them all. Their his people!

#37 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-09-04 01:53 PM | Reply

Don't worry! It will disappear like magic!

Just like all those old folks did.

#38 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-09-04 02:02 PM | Reply

First, they need to actually report on true numbers first, then I might believe them.
#32 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Well, then what are the true numbers?

#39 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-09-04 02:04 PM | Reply

I might believe them.
#32 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Hey. Look who emerged from his safe space.

And who do you think you're fooling?

You wouldn't believe the numbers unless Trumpy told you to believe them.

#40 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-09-04 02:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The true numbers:

www.statnews.com

#41 | Posted by bocaink at 2020-09-04 02:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Thanks
You just proved the adage that liberalism is a mental disease.

#31 | Posted by phesterOBoyle

Being liberal doesn't require one to be nice to fascist cults like yours.

#42 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-09-04 02:09 PM | Reply

410,000 is a lot of losers.

#43 | Posted by bored at 2020-09-04 02:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So why don't you care about it?

First, they need to actually report on true numbers first, then I might believe them.

#32 | Posted by boaz

The true numbers are available. You choose to believe the numbers you hear from the guy who "never paid stormy daniels".

Since when do you care about truth? You're a trump cult member.

#44 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-09-04 02:11 PM | Reply

"First, they need to actually report on true numbers first, "

The "true" numbers are probably much higher. Some say as much as 10%.

Ok. You brought it up. I need a good chuckle. Tell us. How would a Trumptilian who believes in Qanon calculate the "true" numbers?

#45 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-09-04 02:11 PM | Reply

410,000 is a lot of losers.
#43 | POSTED BY BORED

He did refer to himself as a wartime president because he was combating the virus head on.

So, with that said, you're certainly not wrong.

#46 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-09-04 02:11 PM | Reply

Being liberal doesn't require one to be nice to fascist cults like yours.
#42 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Speaks the Strewth!

I am a liberal Marine (like the liberal redneck only I am part of the jarhead clan)

Trumpets really bring out the Marine in me.

#47 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-09-04 02:16 PM | Reply

The true numbers:
www.statnews.com
#41 | POSTED BY BOCAINK

FTA:

"As the global Covid-19 situation continues to evolve and endure, it is of utmost importance that world leaders rely on epidemiological evidence and data to guide the return of open societies, economies, and a new normal for all."
www.statnews.com

So proceed using evidence-based policy, not Trump's opinion-based policy.

Got it.

Next.

#48 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-09-04 02:16 PM | Reply

Well, then what are the true numbers?

#39 | Posted by rstybeach11

The ones where Covid only happened to be there, not the real cause of death.

People have had heart attacks and brain aneurysms, but just happened to have covid and covid was listed as the death cause.

#49 | Posted by boaz at 2020-09-04 02:25 PM | Reply

People have had heart attacks and brain aneurysms, but just happened to have covid and covid was listed as the death cause.
#49 | POSTED BY BOAZ

That didn't answer my question.

What are the real numbers?

IOW, how often did what you just describe take place in proportion to COVID actually having a significant impact on the probability of death?

#50 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-09-04 02:26 PM | Reply

That didn't answer my question.

Actually, it did.

But we are talking about two different things. Maybe you should speak with me instead of at me.

#51 | Posted by boaz at 2020-09-04 02:28 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Actually, it did.
#51 | POSTED BY BOAZ

I'm sorry, did you provide a numerical value somewhere in your post?

If you did, I totally missed it. Please help me, since I can't find it.

(Speaking to you, not at you.)

#52 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-09-04 02:30 PM | Reply

Maybe you should speak with me instead of at me.

#51 | Posted by boaz

And they say liberals are the snowflakes.

Man up and tell us the "real" numbers according to breitbart.

#53 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-09-04 02:35 PM | Reply

Boaz,

Jesus dude! I know you didn't read it so I'll summarize for you 8 to 12 percent more people are dying in 2020 compared to the historical averages of the past years.

Do you think it's because of

A. The rapture

B. Bad luck and sucker/loser people

C. The pandemic that the ENTIRE rest of the world acknowledges as a major cause of death

or D.

Magic unicorn butt stabbings.

Don't panic just because it's a multiple choice question.

#54 | Posted by bocaink at 2020-09-04 02:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Then tell us if your "real numbers" say anything about chronic health conditions that covid leaves in survivors.

#55 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-09-04 02:36 PM | Reply

People have had heart attacks and brain aneurysms, but just happened to have covid and covid was listed as the death cause.
#49 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Dude.

People have had blood loss and organ failure, but just happened to have gunshot wounds and gunshot wound was listed as the cause of death.

But the really funny part comes when Boaz tells us George Floyd didn't die from a knee on his neck for eight minutes and forty-six seconds, it was because he just happened to have COVID-19, or drugs in his bloodstream, or whatever it takes to deny the police asphyxiated him.

#56 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-09-04 02:40 PM | Reply

" People have had heart attacks and brain aneurysms, but just happened to have covid and covid was listed as the death cause."

Using that "logic", no one ever died of AIDS.

#57 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-09-04 02:46 PM | Reply

You people are funny. Nothing but your point of view is going to suffice. No other point of view, even if it makes sense, is going to do.

This is where good debate has gone in this country. People like you destroyed it.

#58 | Posted by boaz at 2020-09-04 02:47 PM | Reply

This is where good debate has gone in this country. People like you destroyed it.
#58 | POSTED BY BOAZ

I've asked a very straight forward question twice now.

I don't understand why you're refusing to answer.

#59 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-09-04 02:48 PM | Reply

So if someone dies of a heart attack out of the blue, but just happens to have a cold, do you really think they are going to list cause of death as a cold?

#60 | Posted by boaz at 2020-09-04 02:49 PM | Reply

Using that "logic", no one ever died of AIDS.

True. But even today, if someone has HIV, and dies of Covid, what did they die of?

#61 | Posted by boaz at 2020-09-04 02:50 PM | Reply

I've asked a very straight forward question twice now.

I don't understand why you're refusing to answer.

Because it wasnt what I was talking about. I wasnt talking actual numbers, I was talking in general.

You are just trying to do "gotcha" type stuff, like liberals do.

My comment wasnt "in the numbers" so there's no reason why I need to get in them.

#62 | Posted by boaz at 2020-09-04 02:52 PM | Reply

"Nothing but your point of view is going to suffice."

Boaz, your "point of view" exists only to deny COVID-19 has killed 191,481 Americans.

And it's completely contrary to how we count deaths from other diseases like the flu.

"This is where good debate has gone in this country. People like you destroyed it."

You're the one throwing in the towel. Accept your loss and move on.

COVID-19 has killed 191,481 people in this country.

#63 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-09-04 02:53 PM | Reply

"I wasnt talking actual numbers, I was talking in general."

We refuted that line of reasoning, by poihting to gunshot wounds and AIDS deaths.

#64 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-09-04 02:54 PM | Reply

How does AIDS kill?

Most people who die from HIV/AIDS do not die from the virus itself but rather from these so-called "opportunistic infections," which take advantage of a weak immune system, according to the University of California, San Francisco.
www.livescience.com

How does COVID-19 kill?

Some clinicians suspect the driving force in many gravely ill patients' downhill trajectories is a disastrous overreaction of the immune system known as a "cytokine storm," which other viral infections are known to trigger. Cytokines are chemical signaling molecules that guide a healthy immune response; but in a cytokine storm, levels of certain cytokines soar far beyond what's needed, and immune cells start to attack healthy tissues. Blood vessels leak, blood pressure drops, clots form, and catastrophic organ failure can ensue.
www.sciencemag.org

COVID-19 death toll is counted similarly to that of AIDS death toll.

BOAZ, are you now questioning the AIDS death toll? You would have to be in order to be consistent.

(Speaking to you, not at you.)

#65 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-09-04 02:55 PM | Reply

#61

Boaz, if you refuse to comprehend, and sidestep, the issue of excess mortality, you are proving yourself to be a fake.

You have to no better. It's not a point of view, it's an absolute concrete fact that more than 200,000 more people have died this year than on average... or 8-12 percent higher than normal.

Can.you.acknowledge.that.fact? I mean are you mentally able to accept a change to your point of view in face of an obvious, undeniable fact?

#66 | Posted by bocaink at 2020-09-04 02:55 PM | Reply

But even today, if someone has HIV, and dies of Covid, what did they die of?
#61 | POSTED BY BOAZ

"dies of Covid" is the answer.

#67 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-09-04 02:55 PM | Reply

Rusty.

You don't get it. Unless you're just willing to 100% agree with Boaz, he'll consider anything you post to be an attack on him.

He's a fkkking (R)Tard with the critical thinking skills of a 3 year old.

Boaz is Dumb as Fkkk and Proud of it.

I bet Boaz believes zombie Herman Cain, that COVID-19 isn't as deadly as his corpse should lead you to conclude.

Boaz is also a liar. He couldn't wait to vote for Biden. Until Biden got the nomination. Then he changed his mind. Also. He doesn't believe Kamala Harris is black enough to be considered black.

Boaz is pure garbage.

#68 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-09-04 02:56 PM | Reply

... you have to KNOW better that is... predictive text ugh. but you do know better, you have to. You couldn't be alive as a human being this long to avoid truth to that extent.

#69 | Posted by bocaink at 2020-09-04 02:56 PM | Reply

"Using that "logic", no one ever died of AIDS."
True. But even today, if someone has HIV, and dies of Covid, what did they die of?
#61 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Interesting question. Read #65 and maybe you can figure it out.

However, the question does not mitigate the verisimilitude associated with the current numbers.

#70 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-09-04 02:57 PM | Reply

But even today, if someone has HIV, and dies of Covid, what did they die of?
#61 | POSTED BY BOAZ

COVID.

Did you not even understand your own question.

Here's the pertinent information. "if someone ... dies of Covid, what did they die of?"

Read it until it makes sense to you.

No wonder you're voting for Trump.

Also. You don't die from HIV. It attacks your immune system causing AIDS which allows other diseases to kill you.

Go get an education. Read a book. Do some Research. Fkkk man. Stop being so stupid.

#71 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-09-04 03:01 PM | Reply

"So if someone dies of a heart attack out of the blue, but just happens to have a cold"

That's not how people die from COVID-19.
It's not out of the blue.
It typically takes a few days of progressive deterioration.

#72 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-09-04 03:01 PM | Reply

I'm not answering a question from your point of view. I'm actually using logic and you are not. So you dont understand.

But it's ok. Maybe one day, when you can think critically, you idiots will understand what the rest of us normal minded people have been saying.

#73 | Posted by boaz at 2020-09-04 03:03 PM | Reply

#73 | POSTED BY BOAZ

I laid out the logic, including yours, precisely in #65.

#74 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-09-04 03:04 PM | Reply

#74,

But we were still talking two different things...

#75 | Posted by boaz at 2020-09-04 03:06 PM | Reply

Boaz,

I won't let you duck me, do you acknowledge that there are 8 to 12 percent more deaths in 2020 than during the previous few years?

#76 | Posted by bocaink at 2020-09-04 03:10 PM | Reply

You people are funny. Nothing but your point of view is going to suffice. No other point of view, even if it makes sense, is going to do.

This is where good debate has gone in this country. People like you destroyed it.

#58 | Posted by boaz

Translation - I can't refute anything you're saying, so I'm going to whine about how my misinformation should be viewed as equal to your information, then whine about the country in general, even though it was right wing misinformation that brought us to this point.

#77 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-09-04 03:10 PM | Reply

But we were still talking two different things...
#75 | POSTED BY BOAZ

I've interpreted your position as being that the current death toll is erroneous because there is a significant portion (yet to be identified numerically) of the COVID-19 death toll that is made up of people who died, not of COVID-19, but other factors (e.g., heart failure) while coincidentally also being infected by COVID-19, but the COVID-19, in all reality, had no impact on these individuals' probability of dying (based on what, you still have yet to explain). Please correct where my interpretation is faulty.

Because, clearly, I don't have the reading comprehension to understand what it is you're getting at and you don't seem compelled to explain any deeper than you already have.

So how about address the thing that you think I'm addressing in #65? Since I'm incapable of getting on the same page with you on your point, how about you make an effort to get on the same page with me on my point?

#78 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-09-04 03:13 PM | Reply

First, they need to actually report on true numbers first, then I might believe them.

#32 | POSTED BY BOAZ

The "true" numbers are likely higher than are being reported.

#79 | Posted by jpw at 2020-09-04 03:18 PM | Reply

Which president didn't they project winning to get that result, or does it not matter?

#80 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-09-04 03:25 PM | Reply

Which president didn't they project winning to get that result, or does it not matter?

#80 | Posted by sitzkrieg

It's based on our current path. Covid policy will be in trump's hands til january no matter what. Unless your gutless party removes him to save lives, but you won't.

#81 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-09-04 03:27 PM | Reply

People have had heart attacks and brain aneurysms, but just happened to have covid and covid was listed as the death cause.

#49 | POSTED BY BOAZ

How do you think COVID kills people? So much virus is produced it shuts the brain off?

Jesus H dude. The actual mode of death from the vast majority of ailments is failure of a or several major organ systems. It's a cascade effect that isn't due to one single thing but a widespread dysfunction of multiple systems.

Just because a patient's heart stops doesn't mean it wasn't the COVID infection they were suffering from that killed them.

Taking your line of thinking to it's absurd end, the only cause of death we can list is "lack of oxygen to the brain" because apparently how one gets to that state is irrelevant.

#82 | Posted by jpw at 2020-09-04 03:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

This is where good debate has gone in this country. People like you destroyed it.

#58 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Right. Because being intentionally obtuse for partisan reasons is really conducive for debate and discussion.

#83 | Posted by jpw at 2020-09-04 03:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Which president didn't they project winning to get that result, or does it not matter?
#80 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

"They" running presidential polling and "they" utilizing a predictive COVID-19 model are two very different groups of people.

Why are you lumping them together?

Because "experts"?

JFC. Of all the authoritarian aspects you Repubs are willing to endure in our current environment, science and medicine just can't be two of them. Can they?

#84 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-09-04 03:31 PM | Reply

But it's ok. Maybe one day, when you can think critically, you idiots will understand what the rest of us normal minded people have been saying.

#73 | POSTED BY BOAZ

LOL

Yeah! You idiots just can't think critically enough to see how multi-system organ failure from severe COVID doesn't mean COVID is the cause of death!

MAGA!

#85 | Posted by jpw at 2020-09-04 03:34 PM | Reply

I'm not answering a question from your point of view. I'm actually using logic and you are not. So you dont understand.

But it's ok. Maybe one day, when you can think critically, you idiots will understand what the rest of us normal minded people have been saying.
#73 | POSTED BY BOAZ

And this is why no one takes Boaz seriously.

Try to talk to him like an adult and all he does cry and throw feces.

We get it Boaz. You're the smartest person you know and no liberal can change your mind about anything.

#86 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-09-04 03:37 PM | Reply

Boaz,

Since you seem to think we don't understand you, please explain to us how you think a person has to die to be counted as a death from COVID.

If heart failure following two weeks on a ventilator isn't a COVID death, what is?

If liver failure from COVID-induced cytokine release syndrome isn't a COVID death, what is?

If heart and liver failure following kidney failure induced by COVID isn't a COVID death, what is?

If lung failure following lung edema and fibrosis isn't a COVID death, what is?

Because most of the things you're saying should be listed as the cause of death instead of COVID are all happening because of the complex, body-wide effects of severe COVID disease that, together, result in multi-system organ failure and, ultimately, lack of oxygen to the brain.

#87 | Posted by jpw at 2020-09-04 03:42 PM | Reply

Why are there 200,000 more deaths this year in the U.S. than at the same time last year?

#88 | Posted by bocaink at 2020-09-04 03:48 PM | Reply

I'd save your energy for the real arguments over the number of COVID deaths.

Those will come in early 2021 when we see reports of causes of deaths in the US in 2020.

Of course, reasonable people understand many COVID related deaths would very likely have been a death in 2020 regardless. They were nearing the end of their natural lives due to other health factors.

But the arguments will center around the assumption there are no reasonable people who already get that.

Not sure I'm looking forward to any of that.

#89 | Posted by eberly at 2020-09-04 03:51 PM | Reply

-Why are there 200,000 more deaths this year in the U.S. than at the same time last year?

are there?

#90 | Posted by eberly at 2020-09-04 03:51 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

-Why are there 200,000 more deaths this year in the U.S. than at the same time last year?

are there?

#90 | Posted by eberly

Learn google.

www.washingtonpost.com

U.S. reports 66,000 more deaths than expected so far this year
(and this was back in APRIL)

#91 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-09-04 03:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Of course, reasonable people understand many COVID related deaths would very likely have been a death in 2020 regardless. They were nearing the end of their natural lives due to other health factors.
#89 | POSTED BY EBERLY

My question relates to the proportionality of that scenario. It's easy to presume the truth, but the significance of the proportion is truly what matters.

What portion of the current death toll is made up of people in your given scenario?

#92 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-09-04 04:00 PM | Reply

Of course, reasonable people understand many COVID related deaths would very likely have been a death in 2020 regardless. They were nearing the end of their natural lives due to other health factors.
#89 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Eberly, this is exactly why we look at the excess burden of death. That allows us to understand of the impact of COVID-19 compared to the normal backdrop of deaths.

As has been said, there's about ten percent more people dying that usual.

Herman Cain sure didn't seem like he was going to die in 2020.

#93 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-09-04 04:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-Why are there 200,000 more deaths this year in the U.S. than at the same time last year?
are there?
#90 | POSTED BYEBERLY

Hey Eberly.

The current COVID-19 death toll, it sure is close to 200,000, wouldn't you agree?

And the COVID-19 death toll from last year was zero, right?

Connect the dots.

#94 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-09-04 04:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"What portion of the current death toll is made up of people in your given scenario?"

We'll see.

In early 2021.

#95 | Posted by eberly at 2020-09-04 05:03 PM | Reply

I don't expect Eberly to read this. He's plonked a fair share of the DR in order to prevent himself from having to be challenged into thinking. But.

reasonable people understand many COVID related deaths would very likely have been a death in 2020 regardless.

This is bullshht. COVID related deaths in 2020 were due to Covid.

Despite needing to change the narrative to protect Trump and spread disinformation.

People who died from other thing that Covid-19 made worse may not have actually died had they not contracted COVID-19.

Despite your opinion.


They were nearing the end of their natural lives due to other health factors.

And then Covid came along and sped everything up. Again. They were living just fine until Covid. You're assuming they were going to died regardless.

Major assumption.

But the arguments will center around the assumption there are no reasonable people who already get that.

Not sure what this means or why you consider yourself reasonable.

You're not reasonable. You pretend to be nice to get people to drop their guards.

Not sure I'm looking forward to any of that.
#89 | POSTED BY EBERLY

I'm not sure what you think you wrote. Sounds like you're implying that death counts are exaggerated because grandma was gonna die anyway.

#96 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-09-04 05:26 PM | Reply

We'll see.

In early 2021.

#95 | Posted by eberly

Your desperation to defend trump makes you look moronic.

We can compare death rates in the country jan-sept 2019 vs jan-sept 2020 and get a pretty good idea how many additional deaths covid has caused.

Your "we have to wait and see" strategy is just one more fig leaf you're offering to a proven incompetent con man.

#97 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-09-04 05:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

There's never enough data for Republicans.

Exhibit A: Global Warming.
Exhibit B: Institutional Racism.

Except when they don't need data.

Exhibit A: Iraq WMD Program
Exhibit B; Voter Fraud

I will go to my grave never really knowing why a smart guy like Eberly runs with this crowd.

#98 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-09-04 05:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

I think the death count is fair and accurate.

I'm in no position to question it.

94% had other issues. Didn't mean they were going to die very soon anyway.

But some would have. 45% or so deaths attached to nursing homes? (We'll exclude the workers that are included in that figure)

How much life does a typical nursing home resident have left?

Average length of time normally is a little more than 2 years.

The numbers are the numbers. There is a reasonable case to be made that some of the deaths were eminent.

That is in no way is a defense of trump. It's insane I should have to even say that.

But I think about the thin skinned ----- who follow me around......

#99 | Posted by eberly at 2020-09-04 06:00 PM | Reply

#99 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Wow.

So much bullshht opinions posted as if they should mean something.

Let's see your research, "professor".

I think the death count is fair and accurate.

Of course. You just don't believe it's all Covid related.

Grandma was gonna die anyway.

#100 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-09-04 06:07 PM | Reply

The clusterfk in Portland has to stop.

#101 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2020-09-04 06:45 PM | Reply

Eberly is a Trump apologist. He says he's not but it's clear to everyone that he is. Eberly is self deluded. Clear thinking is not his strength. He goes to great lengths to be perceived as not what he obviously is. Why?

He's a troll.

Not a very effective one at that.

#102 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-09-04 06:50 PM | Reply

Effeteposer is a Trump VOTER

FACT.

That fact alone means nobody gives a flying ---- what he thinks.

#103 | Posted by eberly at 2020-09-04 07:01 PM | Reply

"94% had other issues. Didn't mean they were going to die very soon anyway."

My friend's dad slipped, broke something, got sent to nursing home for rehab, got it there, and died.

Cut your --------.

#104 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-09-04 07:36 PM | Reply

"There is a reasonable case to be made that some of the deaths were eminent."

Everyone's death is imminent, if you just wait long enough.

Cut your --------.

#105 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-09-04 07:38 PM | Reply

" People have had heart attacks and brain aneurysms, but just happened to have covid and covid was listed as the death cause."

This is like the argument that AIDS doesn't kill anybody. GTFO with that, Boaz.

#106 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2020-09-04 09:13 PM | Reply

I'd rather be a trump voter who sees the light and renounced that crap completely. Than be a lying apologist for stuff he claims to have never voted for.

Why are you on so all in for Trump if you DIDNT VOTE FOR HIM?

Jesus, you're a walking talking Trump talking point machine,but oh,no,you never voted for him.

#107 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-09-04 09:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The clusterfk in Portland has to stop.

#101 | Posted by phesterOBoyle

Just because fox news shows you videos of violence on repeat doesn't mean its actually happening sucker.

Just like their video on repeat of 2 black panthers didn't mean there was black panthers trying to stop you from voting.

Just like their video of the migrant caravan didn't mean there was a real wave of violent illegals trying to get you.

Stop being so gullible.

#108 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-09-04 09:35 PM | Reply

"Just because fox news shows you videos of violence on repeat doesn't mean its actually happening sucker."

I'll have to write ABC news and tell David Muir he's a sucker.

#109 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2020-09-05 08:50 AM | Reply

"Why are you on so all in for Trump "

STFU YOU ------.

There is absolutely zero evidence of that baseless accusation.

I have not supported trump for 5 minutes going back to his campaign.

Never.

Now, go back to ------- your fist, ---- for brains.

Invite shart, snoof, and speakstupid to watch.

#110 | Posted by eberly at 2020-09-05 09:34 AM | Reply

"I'd rather be a trump voter..."

-posted by effete. Flagged Newsworthy by snoofy, clownshart, and speak stupid......his only friends in the world.

#111 | Posted by eberly at 2020-09-05 09:36 AM | Reply

It might be worth noting that IHME revised their model and projected 134,000 deaths from COVID-19 by August 3rd.
The number ended up being 159,208. The estimate was too low by ~25,000 or an underestimate of about 20%.

This has been true for the IHME model before as well.

Give this and as bad as the 410,000 number is, given the history the real number is going to come in higher, and more likely closer to 500,000.

www.msnbc.com (first few seconds into it will confirm the IHME estimate and date)
www.worldometers.info (cumulative total deaths, go to Aug 3rd)

#112 | Posted by YAV at 2020-09-05 09:42 AM | Reply

It's the least Trump could do before leaving.

Seriously, he's a low grade Hitler. 500k dead, of which a mere 425k estimated due to his willful negligence, plus maybe 20k traumatized or lost children and we still have 3/4 of our economy as opposed to the total destruction of Germany's economy.

Historically, he just doesn't compare. Such a loser, sad!

He's gonna be the errand boy in hell, forever fetching drinks for the real men-demons.

#113 | Posted by bocaink at 2020-09-05 12:40 PM | Reply

And just think, if the original plaugue centers had gotten their ---- under control early on, instead of Nancy telling people to come on down to Chinatown and Cuomo sending every old person with COVID to a nursing home, the spread and death count would be way lower.

#114 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2020-09-05 01:13 PM | Reply

#114 - that is such a pathetic attempt. I'm afraid you used to be interesting, now you're just a moron. Please come back! I liked LOD.

Pelosi visited China Town on February 24th. Use this (or any COVID-19 chart) and find that date:
www.worldometers.info

There wasn't a lot going on at that time. Actually, let's put some more context to that:

'The California Democrat's visit to Chinatown came three weeks before six Bay Area counties implemented shelter-in-place restrictions. On the same day as Pelosi's visit, Trump tweeted, "The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. We are in contact with everyone and all relevant countries. CDC & World Health have been working hard and very smart. Stock Market starting to look very good to me!"'

www.factcheck.org

#115 | Posted by YAV at 2020-09-05 03:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

www.factcheck.org
#115 | POSTED BY YAV

Context is important.

#116 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-09-05 03:07 PM | Reply

I'm afraid you used to be interesting, now you're just a moron. Please come back! I liked LOD.

I second this sentiment.

Not sure what happened to the guy during his time away from here.

Seems like too much kool aid from Trump's punch bowl.

#117 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-09-05 03:14 PM | Reply

ITT - "let's pretend responsibility is a black and white issue divided neatly along party lines, and that we're sthuper interesting!"

#118 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2020-09-05 04:47 PM | Reply

"Trump failed in his response to the pandemic, therefore, Cuomo sending coronavirus patients to nursing homes is A-OK."

Signed Self Righteously,
Yav, Sack

#119 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2020-09-05 04:48 PM | Reply

"Because a Repunlican failed, that absolves all Democrat failures."

This is what passes for "interesting" here.

#120 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2020-09-05 04:49 PM | Reply

#120
If you had ever held Trump to the standard you hold Cuomo, you might have some credibility. But anyone who condemns Cuomo, without ever condemning Trump, is nothing but a partisan hack.

#121 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-09-05 05:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#121

This in response to a post starting with:

"Because a Republican failed"

I guess reading comprehension is racist and Nazi now.

#122 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2020-09-05 05:23 PM | Reply

" This in response to..."

Which changes NONE of what you've posted, or avoided.

" I guess reading comprehension is racist and Nazi now."

Godwin is a genius.

You, on the other hand, are an idiot.

#123 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-09-05 05:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#123

This from a mongoloid who said I didn't critize the Republican when my post specifically said "a Republican failed", lol!

#124 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2020-09-05 05:52 PM | Reply

" Because a Repunlican failed, that absolves all Democrat failures."
#120 | POSTED BY LIVE_OR_DIE

What Republican failure?

Covid is doing exactly what Trump wanted it to do.

Flourishing and killing Americans.

Nearly 200,000 dead Americans and Loser here blames Democrats.

If Obama were president. Loser would hold Obama, and only Obama, responsible.

But. His boy Trump fkkked it up. So it's everyone's fault. Especially the Democrats.

#125 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-09-05 05:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"What Republican failure?"

This from the putz who said there was Republican failure, lol!

#126 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2020-09-05 06:00 PM | Reply

#126

You should put down the meth pipe.

#127 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-09-05 06:04 PM | Reply

#127 - you should probably my load out of your mouth before speaking again.

#128 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2020-09-05 06:08 PM | Reply

you should probably my load out of your mouth

Oh yea?

Anymore fantasies you wanna share?

#129 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-09-05 06:12 PM | Reply

"Because a Repunlican failed, that absolves all Democrat failures."

I hold all current Democrat Presidents to blame.

Why don't you?

#130 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-09-05 06:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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