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Wednesday, September 09, 2020

If anything is still keeping Trump within range of winning through a real comeback, a major polling error or outright cheating, it's his lingering advantage on the economy. Can [Joe Biden] eliminate or neutralize that advantage? Biden is set to roll out a new economic agenda designed to do just this. It should also prompt a reconsideration of another big question: how vulnerable Trump has made himself by thoroughly selling out on the "populist economic nationalism" he ran on in 2016.

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Biden ...will do what Trump didn't: Use active, interventionist government to actually create jobs and rebuild U.S. manufacturing capacity. While there's no question the left deserves credit in pushing Biden in this direction, his broader agenda has proved unexpectedly progressive.

"This flips the tables," Jared Bernstein, a progressive economist and outside adviser to the Biden campaign, told me. "It doesn't just block incentives to send jobs overseas; it creates new ones to create jobs here."

The new policies "say that Biden will actually and aggressively pursue good jobs here in America while Trump pretended to do that," Bernstein continued. "It's the difference between reality and reality TV."

Whether all this will allow Biden to prevail in the economic argument - and in the election - remains to be seen. But if reality matters at all, Trump's economic advantage really should prove far more precarious than it looks.

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-09-09 11:42 AM | Reply

But... but... MAGA!

Workin' man ever figures out just how much Trump took out of his pockets and gave to big corporations... oh wait, not likely to happen. Never mind.

#2 | Posted by Corky at 2020-09-09 10:52 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Trump will of course seek to emulate this.

#3 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2020-09-10 08:43 AM | Reply

Elect him again....expect him to steal far more. His family will be rich forever because of his Presidency unless, of course, they are as stupid in business as he is. Bankrupt a casino? Really?

#4 | Posted by danni at 2020-09-10 10:08 AM | Reply

LOL. Trump's pandemic economy is better than Obama's second term.

#5 | Posted by zetaleph at 2020-09-10 06:57 PM | Reply

No, trump's first 3 and a half years nearly kept up with Obama's last 4 years, but then it came crashing down. Don't point to the DOW 500 as some harbinger of recovery, either. Even if you discount the bloody past week, the gains were due to 7 stocks. 493 others were down by an average of 5%.

#6 | Posted by YAV at 2020-09-10 07:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Trump's pandemic economy stock market is better than Obama's second term.
#5 | POSTED BY ZETALEPH

Don't confuse the two.

#7 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-09-10 08:27 PM | Reply

Don't confuse the two.

#7 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11 AT 2020-09-10 08:27 PM | REPLY | FLAG

Don't take the blue pill

#8 | Posted by zetaleph at 2020-09-10 08:55 PM | Reply

Even if you discount the bloody past week, the gains were due to 7 stocks. 493 others were down by an average of 5%.

#6 | POSTED BY YAV AT 2020-09-10 07:07 PM | FLAG:
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And still trending better than Obama's

#9 | Posted by zetaleph at 2020-09-10 08:56 PM | Reply

And still trending better than Obama's

#9 | Posted by zetaleph

Obama was handed a republican disaster.

Trump was handed a democrat success.

Why do repubs tend to accompany economic crashes? You must like crashes.

#10 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-09-10 09:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Obama was handed a republican disaster.
Trump was handed a democrat success.
Why do repubs tend to accompany economic crashes? You must like crashes.

#10 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2020-09-10 09:02 PM | FLAG:
(CHOOSE)

And Trump was handed a Democrat's version of what to do with a "republican disaster" and he doubled it!

#11 | Posted by zetaleph at 2020-09-10 09:17 PM | Reply

You need a an establishment Democrat to shut the economy down and hand you their financial forecast.... Yea, that would be perfect.

#12 | Posted by zetaleph at 2020-09-10 09:19 PM | Reply

And Trump was handed a Democrat's version of what to do with a "republican disaster" and he doubled it!

#11 | Posted by zetaleph

He doubled what? The size of the deficit your kids will deal with so that his billionaire donors could have tax cuts and more private jets?

#13 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-09-10 09:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

He doubled what? The size of the deficit your kids will deal with so that his billionaire donors could have tax cuts and more private jets?

#13 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2020-09-10 09:42 PM | FLAG:

You obviously don't have 2 nickels to invest! No worries I understand...

#14 | Posted by zetaleph at 2020-09-10 09:44 PM | Reply

"Important new Biden/Harris policy out this AM, designed to reverse Trump's incentives to offshore American jobs and production. @ThePlumLineGS nails the key themes:"

Are we living in Bizarro World? I have to wonder as this Tweet is about the most dishonest thing I have ever seen. Can someone tell me how Trump's did ANYTHING to promote the offshoring American jobs? As single bill, a single executive order?

The parties have changed places:

1.) Remember when you were antiwar and wanted our troops out of Afghanistan and Syria and other countries in the Middle East? Remember how you wanted the US to downsize military and get rid of all the foreign bases?....then think back over the last 3 years of the hysterical tears of rage you cried when Trump actually did that.

2.) Remember how you used to claim the Pentagon was run by a bunch of evil warmongers for the sole benefit of the Military Industrial Complex?...remember this week when you rushed to defend them after Trump said THE EXACT SAME THING?

3.) Remember when you said the FBI and CIA could not be trusted to uphold our rights or not do harmful foreign interference?...then think back about how much you have defended them over the last 4 years because you hate the object of their illegal investigations.

4.) Remember how you agreed with Obama that the jobs sent offshore we didn't need, are not coming back (barring a magic wand), and those impact just need to learn how to code?....not look at the Tweet I quoted above.

5.) Remember how you tore your hair out of thinking Obama was not really a Christian and only used the church for his election? How many stories do you post on now accusing Trump of the same without a hint of irony.

6.) Remember when Bush had the utterly disgraceful Swiftboat ads against Kerry? Remember how you were outraged that someone would do that? Now, you actively support the same thing with the key difference being you rely completely on anonymous sources. At least the disgusting Swiftboaters would put their names/faces to their accusations.

Just how much are you willing to sell your soul over your unhinged hatred of Trump? You don't even need the media to play Orwellian 1984 propaganda games - you seem just fine switching overnight without prompting.

And now we get article after article about how Trump will not turn over power peacefully so he needs to be removed while at the same time, you have your cheerleaders in the Media and Hillary Clinton herself stating that Biden should not concede under any circumstances.

Seriously, take a step back and re-evaluate your life. If you want less war, there is only one person that will give it to you. If you want less jobs offshored to China, there is only one person that will give it to you. If you want the FBI/CIA reigned in, there is only one person that will give it to you. I honestly believe everyone on this board actually cares about those things and we are likely 100% aligned in our goals. But one side is suffering from TDS to the extent you will vote against your own self interest.

#15 | Posted by bizarro_world at 2020-09-10 09:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#14 - You think the stock market is the same as the economy. You're not arguing from a position of strength.

And still trending better than Obama's

Yeah. About that:
www.macrotrends.net

#16 | Posted by YAV at 2020-09-10 09:57 PM | Reply

#15 | POSTED BY BIZARRO_WORLD

Remember when the Republican Party wasn't a fascist cult of wannabe confederates?

#17 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-09-10 09:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

1) trump didn't do that. We have more troops in than before he took office.
2) no, that's not what the argument about MIC was about.
3) no, the FBI is soley domestic, not international, so that's wrong right off the bat. The CIA under Bush was corrupted (EIT), intelligence, stovepiping, but that was fixed under Obama.
4) Some jobs aren't, some could come back, but under Trump that hasn't happened.
5) Obama's always been a Christian, there's no doubt about that. Trump isn't. He's admitted that by testifying that he's never asked God for forgiveness.
6) The Swiftboat ads were dispciable lies. Trump's on tape saying exactly what we all thought. There are sources that have confirmed it and no ads are running against him that I've seen that aren't factual and based on HIS words and HIS record.

You're an fool. A clueless Earth II inhabitant. A brain-damaged Trump supporter. That much is blatantly obvious by such a painfully stupid post. One you surely think was "clever."

Sad.

#18 | Posted by YAV at 2020-09-10 10:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

#15 | Posted by bizarro_world

Why do you think trump won't say anything about putin's bounties on the heads of US troops?

#19 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-09-10 10:08 PM | Reply

Why do you think Trump's had the Pentagon pull Troop deployment numbers from the Web? They were updated ever quarter until Trump came into office.

#20 | Posted by YAV at 2020-09-10 10:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"...still trending better than Obama's"

With apologies to Lloyd Benson, anyone could "trend better" if you let them write trillions of dollars of hot checks. Recent gains are due to artificial supports.

#21 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-09-10 10:16 PM | Reply

You obviously don't have 2 nickels to invest! No worries I understand...
#14 | POSTED BY ZETALEPH

You obviously don't have two brain cells to think! No worries we understand...

#22 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-09-10 10:18 PM | Reply

You need a pill, or a lobotomy for your TDS.

"1) trump didn't do that. We have more troops in than before he took office."

1.) Obama had 498 dead Americans in Afghanistan in 2010, Trump is averaging in the teens and would go down to ZERO except for the fact the Neocon Liberals went crazy when he said he would do a peace deal with the Taliban. Obama droned peopled in Yemen, Somalia, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Pakistan to just name a few - and these were mainly done by the corrupt CIA mentioned below. That is not ANTI-WAR.

2) That is exactly what it is about. The pentagon brass wanting perpetual war to fund the MIC. You USED to be against that, right up until late 2016.

3) The FBI is not limited to the US and the CIA is not limited to international as shown in the Russia Hoax. Obama didn't fix anything - he put the problem on steroids. Again, you used to be for civil rights - what changed in 2016?

4) Patently false as shown the jobs numbers as well as wages finally outpacing inflation, which is why Biden is trying to lie about his programs now.

5) I don't question a person's religion - whether that is Obama or Trump. You have one set of rules for one and another set for another.

6) "Trump's on tape saying exactly what we all thought" produce the tape.

"There are sources that have confirmed it" - anonymous sources. And those fly in the face of the others that have directly refuted it along with the military's own recommendation on attending the memorial. You are lying and you know you are lying.

"no ads are running against him that I've seen that aren't factual and based on HIS words and HIS record." Again, why lie? I am sure you claimed to be honest and against GOP smear prior to 2016. So why is lying and smearing okay now?

#23 | Posted by bizarro_world at 2020-09-11 12:07 AM | Reply

1) so now you're changing the metric to deaths from number of Troops because your original statement was false.
2) The issue is the Defense Contractor and Legislators that want to keep jobs in their states and districts, not the Pentagon's brass. In fact the Pentagon wanted to cancel all kinds of systems and have been forced to accept weapon systems they don't want or need.
3) You clearly are off the rails on that one. I'm also a HUGE fan of Civil rights - including the right to protest, not be thrown in a van by unknown thugs, and not using teargas for photoops.
4) My point is absolutely true. You're lying.
5) You absolutely questioned Obama's religion. Trump's own words prove he's not a Christian and has no concept of what being a Christian is about. Apparently you don't either. I'd bet if a Christian was honest they'd confess that Trump's not a Christian at all, but he he God's instrument to get what they (and God) want done on Earth. That's what they tell me anyway.
6) Woodward has tape after tape - apparently you have your head up your ass if you haven't hear any of it.

#24 | Posted by YAV at 2020-09-11 08:14 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Remember when the Republican Party wasn't a fascist cult of wannabe confederates?

#17 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-09-10 09:59 PM | Reply | Flag

No, I'm in my early 40s...republicans have been crypto fascists my whole life.

#25 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2020-09-11 08:18 AM | Reply

"The new policies "say that Biden will actually and aggressively pursue good jobs here in America while Trump pretended to do that," Bernstein continued."

How is Biden going to pursue good jobs?

The site is behind a paywall...I can't access it.

#26 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-09-11 09:26 AM | Reply

You need a an establishment Democrat to shut the economy down and hand you their financial forecast.... Yea, that would be perfect.
#12 | POSTED BY ZETALEPH

Someone has to be the grownup. If Trump weren't such a coward concerned solely with his polling numbers, we'd have shut down and be safely reopening by now with tens of thousands less deaths. Instead we got a patchwork of half-measures from individual states and remain in covid purgatory six months later.

And imbeciles like you support this. Pathetic.

#27 | Posted by JOE at 2020-09-11 10:10 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"And those fly in the face of the others that have directly refuted it along with the military's own recommendation on attending the memorial."

No they don't, those people only say they didn't hear him say those things not that he never said them. Others, such as General Mattis will tell you flat out that he said those things and worse and he was in the room while he was saying them and he is happy to go on record saying it. He even had an aid take notes while Trump was saying those things.

#28 | Posted by danni at 2020-09-11 10:48 AM | Reply

"Neocon Liberals"

A term that is, all by itself, a complete lie.

#29 | Posted by danni at 2020-09-11 10:49 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The FBI is not limited to the US and the CIA is not limited to international as shown in the Russia Hoax."

This dummy didn't hear about the report issued by the REpublican led Senate Intelligence Committee which clearly said it was not a hoax, that the Russians most certainly did mess with our elections and had Trump campaign officials like Paul Mannafort cooperate and assist them. What do you think the significance of the polling data he gave to a Russian oligarch was intended to do? It was intended to help them target voters in swing states, which they did. You don't understand how politics works and you make a fool of yourself when you do pretend that you do.

#30 | Posted by danni at 2020-09-11 10:53 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

We have Gov. Desatanist telling school systems here in Florida that COVID19 infections need to be kept secret. He's a Trump ass kisser pretending to run a transparent administration. By his decision he prevents parents from knowing if their own children's schools are hot spots for COVID19. It's absolutely shameful.

#31 | Posted by danni at 2020-09-11 10:55 AM | Reply

"as shown in the Russia Hoax."

Riiiiiiiight.

Tell us: had HRC been meeting with the Russians, and the FBI had refused to investigate...

...in how many states would they find pieces of your exploded head?

#32 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-09-11 11:04 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

- the Russia Hoax.

Even Mighty Mitch and the Senate Republicans couldn't hide the fact that that Trump meme is just another LIE:

"Republicans incriminate Trump, decimate his 'Russia hoax ...

"In a bombshell report, the GOP-led Senate Select Committee on Intelligence concluded that Trump campaign contacts with Russian spies amounted to "a grave counterintelligence threat."

Over the course of nearly 1,000 pages, the Senate report pulverizes President Trump's endless claims that the "Russia collusion hoax is the greatest political scandal in the history of this country."

Indeed, new evidence makes it abundantly clear: Not investigating the vast number of "alarming" Trump connections to Russian intelligence operatives would have amounted to a "dereliction of duty and responsibility" by America's law enforcement agencies.

More importantly, the Senate report shows that the FBI's probe of the Trump campaign and special counsel Robert Mueller did not go nearly far enough. More on that shortly.

First, the collusion. "On numerous occasions," former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort passed "sensitive Campaign polling data and the Campaign's strategy" to a man who " according to the Republican-led committee " was a Russian intelligence officer."

thehill.com

#33 | Posted by Corky at 2020-09-11 12:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The only thing Joementia is moving is his teleprompter.

#34 | Posted by willowby at 2020-09-11 09:25 PM | Reply

The only thing moving in poor Willowboy is his bowels all over this thread.

#35 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-09-11 09:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

He posts that in every thread. It's been going on for weeks. I don't know if he's aware of that or if he thinks it new and clever each time he does it. Poor guy.

#36 | Posted by YAV at 2020-09-11 10:02 PM | Reply

Don't worry willowby. Trumpy is brilliant and he is a testing and creating!

It's the greatest thing you ever saw!

He is doing such a great job. Just ask him.

"And we are testing and creating -- it's the greatest thing that ever happen for the opposite party, but we are doing something that nobody has ever done to the extent, and we are doing a great job." -Trumpy

Another 1000 Americans died today due to the out of control Trumpyvirus.

#37 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-09-11 10:23 PM | Reply

#36

When it's about Joementia, that's my name for him. Just like your far left brethren have names for Trump, spare me your selective outrage.

#38 | Posted by willowby at 2020-09-11 10:26 PM | Reply

There was no outrage, only concern for you, Willowby.

#39 | Posted by YAV at 2020-09-11 10:30 PM | Reply

It's so weird how Trumpers think they have standing to criticize anyone's mental prowess.

#40 | Posted by JOE at 2020-09-11 11:23 PM | Reply

#39 | POSTED BY YAV AT 2020-09-11 10:30 PM | REPLY | FLAG

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#41 | Posted by zetaleph at 2020-09-11 11:23 PM | Reply

"When it's about Joementia, that's my name for him."

Biden gave a five-page speech the night he accepted the nomination. Meanwhile, Willowby couldn't diagram Trump's "sentence" to Hannity on second-term goals if Willowby's life depended on it.

#42 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-09-12 02:31 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"LOL. Trump's pandemic economy is better than Obama's second term.
#5 | POSTED BY ZETALEPH AT 2020-09-10 06:57 PM"

Ignore (for the moment) that US stock market indices don't necessarily equate to a reliable description of the health of the US economy:
What is so significant, or surprising, that trillions of dollars in financial boosts (2017 TCJA corporate tax cuts, lowering the federal reserve rate to less than 0.25%, pandemic unemployment assistance, etc.) would result in higher (inflated?) stock prices? This is a classic example of what the farmers in my family referred to as "eating one's seed corn". Those actions always beg the question: "What happens when the seed corn is all eaten?". The only bright spot I can see, regarding a President Trump re-election, is that the chickens will actually come home to roost where they belong and not be left for the Democrats to 'clean up'.

It's curious you denigrate the "Obama economy" which had increasing manufacturing sector output (you know, actual production to increase value/worth rather than manipulating stock prices) from 88 (Q2 2009) to 102-104 (Q4 2014-Q4 2016). Meanwhile, we're languishing at a trendless 102-106 (Q1 2017 - Q1 2020: I'm intentionally avoiding the period since Q1 2020 for obvious reasons but if you're curious it's back down to 88 in Q2 2020!).

fred.stlouisfed.org

#43 | Posted by TrueBlue at 2020-09-12 04:52 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#41 - OK, so that's a bit creepy.

#44 | Posted by YAV at 2020-09-12 10:04 AM | Reply

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