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Thursday, September 10, 2020

Senate Democrats blocked a GOP coronavirus bill on Thursday amid a deep stalemate over the next relief package.

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'Tis a shame that the Republicans could not come up with a bill that was worth passing.

This bill was less than the $1,000 billion that the Republicans wanted to pass a couple months ago, but they balked and put forth this watered down bill instead.

The Republicans couldn't even agree among themselves.


#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-09-10 03:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Republicans put forth a bill focused on helping the American people via "provisions such as another round of "paycheck protection" help for smaller businesses, help for schools to reopen and supplemental jobless benefits". Democrats preferred Americans not have those aids. BSAB, I guess.

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#2 | Posted by Avigdore at 2020-09-10 03:13 PM | Reply

Republicans put forth a bill focused on helping the rich.

FTFY.

You're such a dumb abuse victim.

The GOP keeps lying to you and stealing from you.

But, you just keep going back for more.

200,000 dead Americans and you're eager to vote for Trump, again.

#3 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-09-10 03:27 PM | Reply

@#2 >i> ... Democrats preferred Americans not have those aids. ...

The Democrats said that what the Republicans put forth was not enough.

This reminds me of the first CV bill. The Democrats balked because there were no accountability aspects in the Republican bill. The Republicans started complaining that the Democrats didn't want to pass a bill. The reality was that the Democrats (apparently, as it turned out, rightly so) wanted accountability aspects to keep Republican hands out of the cookie jar.

It is not that the Democrats don't want the aid, it is that they think it does not go far enough, a thinking similar to that the Republicans had a couple of months ago.

So I can only ask, why did the Republicans cut the aid bill in half from where they themselves were before the break? Could they be playing politics with a vital aid bill, trying to make the Democrats look bad because the Democrats do not want to go along with a half-measure?

Nah, the Republicans would never stoop so low.... :)


#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-09-10 03:32 PM | Reply

So I can only ask, why did the Republicans cut the aid bill in half from where they themselves were before the break? - #4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-09-10 03:32 PM

To remove extraneous and unnecessary parts of the bill that could be sticking points for some Senators, and instead put forth a bill tied directly to the most immediate needs of the American people. I guess without the 1%er SALT deductions added back in, the Dems just couldn't bring themselves to vote for it.

#5 | Posted by Avigdore at 2020-09-10 03:45 PM | Reply

Another view...

Senate Democrats block Republicans' "skinny" stimulus bill
www.axios.com

...
Why it matters: The bill was always going to be dead on arrival.

- - Instead, the legislation was seen widely as a political maneuver to put Democrats, who passed their $3 trillion HEROES Act in May, on defense.

- - Republicans also hope the vote will create more goodwill with the public as broader negotiations between Congress and the White House remain in a stalemate. ...

Between the lines: Republicans, who knew the bill would never pass the Senate given it covers just a fraction of what Democrats' want in a new relief package, were initially concerned the bill wouldn't even get a 51-vote majority " something that would have been seen as a major failure by the White House and Senate Republican leadership. ...



So it is looking like a political ploy by the Republicans, one that almost backfired on them.

#6 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-09-10 03:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

That almost is the kicker. Instead,

McConnell crafted the measure to permit his GOP colleagues to go on record in favor of popular provisions such as another round of "paycheck protection" help for smaller businesses, help for schools to reopen and supplemental jobless benefits.

Putting forward a skinny bill with popular provisions made it an easy choice for any Senator whose aims were to help the American people instead of making political hay. The 53/47 vote shows quite clearly which side of those popular provisions the Senators chose to claim as their own.

#7 | Posted by Avigdore at 2020-09-10 04:01 PM | Reply

So it is looking like a political ploy by the Republicans

That's all the GOP has. Smoke and mirrors.

Any stimulus presented by the senate would have ended up going to Trump donors and wealthy supporters.

#8 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-09-10 04:01 PM | Reply

@#7 ... Putting forward a skinny bill with popular provisions made it an easy choice for any Senator whose aims were to help the American people instead of making political hay. ...

Unfortunately for your reasoning, it was the Republicans who are making political hay. Putting forth a bill even the Senate leader knew had no chance in passing, even if it meant abandoning a bill that had a much better chance of passing.

I wonder why the Republicans intentionally abandoned a bill that had a good chance to pass in a bi-partisan manner, and instead put up a bill that they knew had no chance of passing?


Why didn't the Republicans want to pass a bill?

#9 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-09-10 04:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

I'm no sure why you believe that a bill stripped of extraneous BS had no chance of passing...except for Democrats not choosing to vote for a bill stripped of extraneous BS.

#10 | Posted by Avigdore at 2020-09-10 04:38 PM | Reply

I guess without the 1%er SALT deductions added back in, the Dems just couldn't bring themselves to vote for it.
#5 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE

That's a very cute assessment, yet clearly not an educated guess.

#11 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-09-10 04:40 PM | Reply

GOPhers have been playing politics with aide for the People during a pandemic for months, mostly while on vacation.

They want the Bill that they know will eventually pass to be closer to the election so Dandy Donnie can put his autograph on individual stimulus checks yet again.

#12 | Posted by Corky at 2020-09-10 04:44 PM | Reply

@#10 ... I'm no sure why you believe that a bill stripped of extraneous BS had no chance of passing ...

You need to ask the Republicans that question, not me.

They were the ones who wasted everyone's time apparently putting forward a bill they knew would not pass, Indeed, they even seemed to be concerned it would not get the Republican majority. Go figure.

I still wonder why the Republicans abandoned a bill that could be passed in a bi-partisan manner in favor of one they apparently knew would not pass, and even had concerns about it getting a Republican majority.

Certainly, they were not concerned about the passage of the bill if they brought forth that bill knowing it was dead on arrival.

Maybe they just wanted to stir up the political environment, to give themselves something to blame on Democrats.

But the Republicans wouldn't abandon helping those who need help just to go after the blue states.

Would they?


#13 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-09-10 04:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

They want the Bill that they know will eventually pass to be closer to the election so Dandy Donnie can put his autograph on individual stimulus checks yet again. - #12 | Posted by Corky at 2020-09-10 04:44 PM |
Let's pretend for a moment that you are correct. The Democrats could have easily defeated such a political ploy and not look like they're actively working to sabotage aid to American workers by simply voting to provide that aid to Americans that the bill proposes (schools, businesses, & individuals). So either you are incorrect or Democrats are woefully bad at their jobs.

#14 | Posted by Avigdore at 2020-09-10 04:54 PM | Reply

They were the ones who wasted everyone's time apparently putting forward a bill they knew would not pass, Indeed, they even seemed to be concerned it would not get the Republican majority. Go figure. - #13 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-09-10 04:53 PM

I've seen no indication that Republicans thought the bill wouldn't pass. I've only seen reporters pushing the narrative that Republicans didn't think it would pass. Got any quotes of (R) Senators backing the claim that you are making?

#15 | Posted by Avigdore at 2020-09-10 04:55 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Let's pretend for a moment
#14 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE

Isn't that what you've been doing this whole time?

Pretending anyone is dumb enough to fall for your shht.

Republicans put forth a garbage bill they know Democrats won't support. Then act like they're shocked.

200,000 dead Americans. ABigWhore comes shilling for the GOP.

You're a traitor to this nation. Move back to Russia.

#16 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-09-10 05:02 PM | Reply

@#15 ... Got any quotes of (R) Senators backing the claim that you are making? ...

On the record, of course not.

No Republican would go against Sen McConnell publicly in such a manner. I'm surprised you do not know that.

Privately, Republican Senators have talked to reporters, who then reported it. No as the narrative you assert, but as reporting what was said to them.



#17 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-09-10 05:23 PM | Reply

@#16 ... comes shilling for the GOP. ...

Not really surprising, it is quite in character for the alias's posts.

I am a bit surprised, though, how much the alias is feigning a lack of understanding of the political ploy the Republicans tried to pull.

That is, trying to use much-needed assistance as a political tool against blue state Senators.

Instead of caring about helping those who need assistance, the Republican Senators go for politics with an eye on Election Day.


#18 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-09-10 05:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Privately, Republican Senators have talked to reporters, who then reported it. No as the narrative you assert, but as reporting what was said to them. - #17 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-09-10 05:23 PM

So your claim is backed by nothing? Do you even have a reporter claiming that a senator made a statement like that at least? Something to back your claim other than 'it is known'?

#19 | Posted by Avigdore at 2020-09-10 05:30 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Instead of caring about helping those who need assistance, the Republican Senators go for politics with an eye on Election Day. - #18 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-09-10 05:27 PM
It would be dishonest to pretend that Republicans putting forth a bill to help those needing assistance, only to have it blocked by Democrats equates to Republicans playing for politics.

#20 | Posted by Avigdore at 2020-09-10 05:34 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

@#19 ... So your claim is backed by nothing? ...

It is backed by what was reported, as I said. Nothing more, nothing less.

@#20 ... It would be dishonest to pretend that Republicans putting forth a bill to help those needing assistance, only to have it blocked by Democrats equates to Republicans playing for politics. ...

Why? The Republicans knew the likelihood of passage was minimal. Sen McConnell pretty much said to the Democrats, take this or leave it, as he saw cooperation diminishing as Election Day approached.

Indeed, your comments so far have show exactly what I've been saying, this is about Republicans playing politics. In spite of all the arm-waving you've done trying to show Republicans care.

Your not really getting any traction.

Probably because your basic premise requires Republicans to care about people over politics.

I've not seen too much of that.


#21 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-09-10 06:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The funny thing is.

Last year when the Democratic HoR was sending bills to the Senate. Only to be immediately shot down by McConnell's confederate army.

Our DR Republican posters were accusing the HoR of only writing bills to play politics.

#22 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-09-10 06:37 PM | Reply

I've not seen too much of that. - #21 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-09-10 06:13 PM

With the blindness you've displayed in this conversation, I'm not surprised of your inability to see things. Hell, we're talking right now about a bill to help the American people, schools and businesses which had solely Republican support - not a single Dem voted for this bill to aid Americans. Tell me, what part of that bill do you personally not agree with? Is it the money for schools? Is it the unemployment assistance? Is it furthering the payment protection plan funding that you object to? Was it the stimulus checks? Perhaps the COVID-19 testing and vaccine development funding? I know...you object that it forgives a $10 billion loan to the United States Postal Service?

You claim to not see it.

You're choosing to remain blind.

#23 | Posted by Avigdore at 2020-09-10 06:43 PM | Reply

Correction to above. The skinny Republican bill didn't include stimulus checks.

#24 | Posted by Avigdore at 2020-09-10 06:48 PM | Reply

@#23 ... Hell, we're talking right now about a bill to help the American people, schools and businesses which had solely Republican support ...

Yawn...

You're going in circles now.

Go back to my #4 message, and start the loop again.

Have fun!

#25 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-09-10 06:57 PM | Reply

There is no Constitutional requirement for 60 votes here. The 60 vote requirement is a procedural rule that the Senate can override with a majority vote.

Republicans have no problem ignoring the procedural 60 vote requirement when they actually want something to pass, like appointing unqualified and perjurious SCOTUS justices.

The fact that the GOP allowed the bill to die shows that the Reps didn't actually want it to pass since they didn't just go ahead and pass it with a majority vote.

#26 | Posted by censored at 2020-09-10 10:35 PM | Reply

OF COURSE, THEY DID -it's the same old story!

The Dems want to encourage people NOT to look for work. The GOP wants to give them a REASON to look for work.

Don't feed the squirrels! There are still plenty of jobs to be had as long as they have the motivation to look.

#27 | Posted by Gr8Music at 2020-09-10 11:05 PM | Reply

There are still plenty of jobs to be had as long as they have the motivation to look.

#27 | POSTED BY GR8MUSIC

Yeah. That's why we have ~ a million new unemployment claims every week. Those people had jobs until last week. This has been happening every week for the last few months. But sure, there are plenty of jobs out there for the 30 million unemployed.

What do restaurant workers do when all the restaurants are closed? What jobs are they supposed to "find"?

What do you suppose caused 30 million workers to suddenly lose the "motivation to look"?

#28 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2020-09-10 11:34 PM | Reply

Thank god.

This -------- from "republicans" needs to be slapped down hard and called out for what it is.

#29 | Posted by YAV at 2020-09-10 11:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

WOW - apparently you do not know anyone working in the restaurant service industry. I do!

The majority made more money sitting at home than working - I've never had a vacation for more than 2 weeks, much less 4 months and got paid $200 a week more than usual.

The jobs are out there for those who want them, they're just different jobs.

For a moment, try to think of the situation if Biden was prez - we'd all be out of work, not "just" 30 million, with NO available jobs.

#30 | Posted by Gr8Music at 2020-09-11 01:03 AM | Reply

The fact that the GOP allowed the bill to die shows that the Reps didn't actually want it to pass since they didn't just go ahead and pass it with a majority vote.

#26 | Posted by censored

Yep.

And Mitch McConnell couldn't care less. His main focus is on packing federal courts.

Unemployed or own a small business? He doesn't give two s**ts about you.

#31 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-09-11 02:29 AM | Reply

For a moment, try to think of the situation if Biden was prez - we'd all be out of work, not "just" 30 million, with NO available jobs.

#30 | POSTED BY GR8MUSIC

Because he would do what? He was responsible for the recovery of the auto industry, among other things, and the Obama-Biden administration left the country in far better shape economically than it was after the GWB Republicans trashed it in 2008. Trump inherited a good economy and then plundered it with a huge tax cut for the rich (which didn't "trickle down" to the average Joe) and put a $2 trillion hole in the budget, then crashed it by pretending the virus was a "democrat hoax", after being warned that it was an oncoming disaster.

He knew, he lied, and people died!

#32 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2020-09-11 11:35 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

The GOP bill was never intended to pass, it included two poison pills the Democrats could not swallow, one would have shielded employers from lawsuits from their employees who contracted Coronavirus, the other robbed tax money from public schools in favor of giving it to private schools. Here's hoping the Dems can swing at least 4 seats and get Moscow Mitch out of the majority, and better yet out of the Senate all together!

#33 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2020-09-11 06:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Mcconnell brought a bill to the floor that he knew wouldn't pass. It's nothing but political games with him. He doesn't care at all about the American people.

#34 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2020-09-11 07:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"senate Democrats"
nevermind

#35 | Posted by zetaleph at 2020-09-11 11:07 PM | Reply

nevermind

#35 | POSTED BY ZETALEPH

Never mind the premise of this whole thread by another deplorable because House Democrats already passed their relief bill months ago back in May.

And all McConnell and Senate Republicans could say for months and months was nay.

#36 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-09-12 10:26 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

McConnell and Senate Republicans are mass-murdering Russian STOOGES! Simple as that.

#37 | Posted by getoffmedz at 2020-09-12 10:39 AM | Reply

Here's the skinny the Dems were @ 3 the pubbies were @ 1. Pelosi said she'd come down to 2, that's is called "negotiation", it's where both sides give a little. The pubbies said my way or the hi-way. That's not negotiating.

I shouldn't have to explain that and break that down, but the (R)tards like Avigdore are either dumber than a bag of hammers And, or they are full of crap.

#38 | Posted by a_monson at 2020-09-12 03:50 PM | Reply

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