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Tuesday, September 15, 2020

"Scientific American has never endorsed a presidential candidate in its 175-year history. This year we are compelled to do so. We do not do this lightly. The evidence and the science show that Donald Trump has badly damaged the U.S. and its people"because he rejects evidence and science."

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Scientific American lays it out - and why, after 175 years, they finally felt the had a duty to endorse Joe Biden over Trump.

#1 | Posted by YAV at 2020-09-15 11:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Here's my problem with this article.

I agree the virus could have / should have been handled differently in some things.

But their sentence...

"The most devastating example is his dishonest and inept response to the COVID-19 pandemic, which cost more than 190,000 Americans their lives by the middle of September. "

....is an out and out lie.

It's been a total of 190,000 deaths but it's blatantly dishonest to say 100% of them is due to these mistakes in handling.

Ok...25% maybe...hell...let's go 50%....but not 100%.

As if America could have possibly done anything to keep the virus out and no deaths!

Articles like this are interesting and worth reading but when they start exaggerating and lying, they lose me.

#2 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-09-16 06:04 AM | Reply

Look at Japan.
Look at S. Korea.

Just because you can't imagine doesn't mean that we, who are supposed to be the greatest nation on Earth, shouldn't have done far, far, FAR more and done at least as well as those "other" nations that aren't supposed to be a great as we are.

#3 | Posted by YAV at 2020-09-16 09:44 AM | Reply

#3 | Posted by YAV

You don't understand. To a trumpling anything that disagrees with Dear Leader is a lie. Alternative facts prove that it's a lie.

#4 | Posted by SomebodyElse at 2020-09-16 09:48 AM | Reply

#2 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Maybe you're not reading it correctly?

the pandemic cost 190,000 lives.
his response to this pandemic was dishonest and inept.

You're choosing to link the 'which cost more...' phrase to his response, rather than the pandemic.

#5 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2020-09-16 12:34 PM | Reply

Sch,

I reread the sentence.

Your reading comprehension and understanding of punctuation is poor.

#6 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-09-16 12:44 PM | Reply

"President Bush's haphazard and poor response to Hurricane Katrina, which cost over 1,800 lives in September of 2005."

#7 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2020-09-16 01:00 PM | Reply

Sch,

The way I'm reading it, inserting the comma altered the meaning of the sentence.

#8 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-09-16 01:06 PM | Reply

Schifferbrains is correct:

"The most devastating example is his dishonest and inept response to the COVID-19 pandemic, which cost more than 190,000 Americans their lives by the middle of September."

"Example" goes to "response" and "pandemic" goes to "which." "Which" is the conjunction.

english.stackexchange.com

#9 | Posted by YAV at 2020-09-16 01:20 PM | Reply

Sch,

Reverse the left and right halves of the comma and read the sentence that way.

You'll see the 200k deaths are being caused by the response instead of the pandemic.

Any English experts care to chime in?

#10 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-09-16 01:22 PM | Reply

From the example cited in #9:

"One approach for getting from one place to another one is driving a car, which typically has a combustion engine and at least two wheels."

The car is what has "a combustion engine and at least two wheels" not the "approach."

#11 | Posted by YAV at 2020-09-16 01:26 PM | Reply

Sch,

Katrina was a disaster...btw.

It happened on a Monday and Thursday the media was still showing people stranded on rooftops.

#12 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-09-16 01:26 PM | Reply

Good luck, Schiff...

#13 | Posted by YAV at 2020-09-16 01:34 PM | Reply

Seriously, how can you ---- up the meaning of the sentence "President Bush's haphazard and poor response to Hurricane Katrina, which cost over 1,800 lives in September of 2005."

That takes a special kind of talent.

#14 | Posted by YAV at 2020-09-16 01:44 PM | Reply

Yav,

Do you have any English credentials or is your talent just being sarcastic and rude?

#15 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-09-16 02:18 PM | Reply

You'll see the 200k deaths are being caused by the response instead of the pandemic.
#10 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

The mental gymnastics needed to continue to support Trump is unbelievable.

#16 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-09-16 02:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"It's been a total of 190,000 deaths but it's blatantly dishonest to say 100% of them is due to these mistakes in handling."

No, it's not.
Not when Trump "handled" it by calling it a Democrat Hoax and saying it would soon go to zero.

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-09-16 02:26 PM | Reply

the pandemic cost 190,000 lives.
his response to this pandemic was...

To down play how contagious and deadly the virus is.

Called the Democrats warnings about the dangers of covid a hoax

Go golfing.

Insist masks are unnecessary.

Force the (partially) quarantined nation to open back up.

Force schools to reopen.

Blame everything on China and the Democratic Party.

Blame everything on Biden.

Insist no one could have managed the virus better than he has.

Meanwhile. The rest of the world is recovering from covid and the number of infected here in America are only increasing.

#18 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-09-16 02:29 PM | Reply

Do you have any English credentials or is your talent just being sarcastic and rude?

You kept posting blowing past what I posted, so I figured you had me plonked, so I had some fun.

Seriously, the sentence is perfect, the English is correct, and the Scientific American article is 100% accurate. I don't see how you can read the three sentences all using ", which" and think the one from SA means something different.

And like Clownshack said, we're still in deep in this mess because of Trump and the loons he appointed to positions of power, and his empowering idiots like those parading through Target in Florida without masks yelling out for everyone else to take their masks off and be "free."

#19 | Posted by YAV at 2020-09-16 02:40 PM | Reply

"It's been a total of 190,000 deaths but it's blatantly dishonest to say 100% of them is due to these mistakes in handling."

Meanwhile, on Planet Earth:

Trump Is One of the Worst Leaders on Earth, According to the Rest of the World
The failed U.S. response to the pandemic has absolutely trashed the nation's standing among its allies.
www.vice.com

People in more than a dozen countries around the world have virtually no confidence in Donald Trump, and believe the U.S. has royally screwed up its coronavirus response, according to a Pew survey of American-allied countries around the globe.

#20 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-09-16 02:48 PM | Reply

Bill Johnson is still going to support ------- because of a comma.

#21 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-09-16 02:58 PM | Reply

The comma is in the right place, too.

#22 | Posted by YAV at 2020-09-16 03:03 PM | Reply

Only in America does the national leader tell the citizens to fight against the public health efforts and mandates to fight the pandemic.

#23 | Posted by Scotty at 2020-09-16 03:05 PM | Reply

Yav,

I have point blank read people in various places claiming the virus could have been stopped before it got hold and that Trump is the one responsible for all the deaths.

In any case, the sentence is not sufficiently clear whether or not they are making that same claim.

These days nothing is surprising me anymore.

With the entire world now becoming editors and commentators, I'm seeing a lot of strange opinions.

#24 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-09-16 03:31 PM | Reply

Yav,

Don't be rude and I won't plonk you.

Disagree...fine.

Name calling, insults and personal attacks are not what I throw out to people (well...most of the time) and appreciate the same.

#25 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-09-16 03:39 PM | Reply

Don't be rude and I won't plonk you.

Oh shht, Yav!!

You better hurry and apologize!!

Bill may no longer reply to your comments.

Oh nooooooo!

Personally,

I'd rather attempt to teach my dog to used the toilet than attempt the find common ground with Bill.

That guy is a right wing nut job and is never going to change.

#26 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-09-16 03:43 PM | Reply

Yav,

I actually heard someone on NPR make such a claim the virus could have been stopped at the border.

Extremism is out of control.

#27 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-09-16 03:44 PM | Reply

"I have point blank read people in various places claiming the virus could have been stopped before it got hold and that Trump is the one responsible for all the deaths."

The buck stops... where, exactly, in BillJohnson's world?

Let's take the example of South Korea.
South Korea has 22,504 cases and 367 deaths.
Do you think the leader of South Korea is in any way responsible for those numbers?

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-09-16 03:58 PM | Reply

#27

Too Bad you misunderstood what you were hearing.

#29 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-09-16 03:58 PM | Reply

"As if America could have possibly done anything to keep the virus out and no deaths!"

What could South Korea do, that America couldn't do, BillJohnson?
Can you tell us that?

#30 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-09-16 03:59 PM | Reply

As if America could have possibly done anything to keep the virus out and no deaths!

It's not about zero deaths. No one is suggesting that.

It's about acting ahead of the virus, to minimize its spread.

It's about having a pandemic unit in China to send word of the virus to America before the virus actually gets to America.

It's about monitoring and limiting incoming flights and immigration from over seas and our northern and southern borders.

It's about sending a strong message about all available information. How deadly the virus is, how easily it spreads, what should be done to stay safe.

It's about encouraging a quarantine and social distancing.

But most of all. It comes down to something most nations did to fight Covid, and that was: work together.

Something we seem to be unable to do.

Something which Trump seems intent on making harder to achieve.

Something which should be the only goal of the President of The United States.

Bring the nation together and protect it.

Screw everything else.

This is all I want from a President right now.

I want someone who wants to help America and all Americans.

So we can be one nation. As we should be.

#31 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-09-16 04:21 PM | Reply

"As if America could have possibly done anything to keep the virus out and no deaths!"

Hey BillJohnson,

What is your understanding surrounding these comments from February 26?

"The level that we've had in our country is very low," Trump said, referring to new confirmed infections, "and those people are getting better, or we think that in almost all cases they're better, or getting. We have a total of 15. We took in some from Japan " you heard about that " because they're American citizens, and they're in quarantine." www.washingtonpost.com

Does it sound like Trump has done a good job managing the pandemic, since making these comments?

#32 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-09-16 04:25 PM | Reply

Articles like this are interesting and worth reading but when they start exaggerating and lying, they lose me.

#2 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Yes, a certain number of people would have still died.

But look at the stats for various industrialized nations. The US has 2-6 fold higher cases per million.

www.worldometers.info

Canada as 1/6 the cases per million. 1/3 the deaths per million.

The US had the world's preeminent public health infrastructure. We should have been the model for handling this virus but instead we're the cautionary tale public health students will learn in the future.

So fine, quibble about what percent would still have died even under the best conditions as a means of ignoring the glaring failure that Trump has been. Just don't expect the argument to be taken seriously or anyone to believe that you would have come to any other conclusion.

#33 | Posted by jpw at 2020-09-16 04:37 PM | Reply

I actually heard someone on NPR make such a claim the virus could have been stopped at the border.
Extremism is out of control.

#27 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Stopped at the border is an extreme claim but we could certainly be dealing with smoldering brush fires instead of a fifty state firestorm.

Instead of knee jerking and banning Chinese nationals ONLY controlled entry at all major ports of entry could have significantly cut introduction into the US. Instead, we got a half assed restriction initially then a completely uncontrolled return of citizens once he finally did close down entry more broadly.

Nearly every single step of the way you can identify major flaws with how it was handled.

#34 | Posted by jpw at 2020-09-16 05:42 PM | Reply

Trump shut down travel to and from China, but all that did was reroute those Chinese flights through Europe, ending up in New York, Boston, and Miami.

It certainly had the most minimal impact possible, yet Trump is touted as a hero for doing it.

Fnkc this timeline.

#35 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-09-16 05:44 PM | Reply

Stopped at the border is an extreme claim but we could certainly be dealing with smoldering brush fires instead of a fifty state firestorm.

Read someone on Twitter making the claim that the western US fires stopped at the border.

Well, maps of the US stop at the US border, but there are plenty of wildfires ongoing in Canada if you switch to the Canadian map.
smh

#36 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2020-09-16 05:59 PM | Reply

#36 | POSTED BY GONOLES92 -- My Dad has posted that graphic and said the same thing on his FB page. I dont comment anymore because it leads to insane arguments with that old man, but I was glad to see someone else pointing that out.

#37 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2020-09-16 06:18 PM | Reply

"It certainly had the most minimal impact possible, yet Trump is touted as a h8ero for doing it."

While simultaneously blaming the Democrats for how much they'd cry about Trump actually and effectively shutting the borders down and keeping us safe.

But Trump, and Trump alone, has control over the borders -- especially during a national (global) emergency. And there ain't a damn thing the Dems can do about it.

Case in point: It took a few incompetent bungling tries, but Trump eventually got his Muslim Travel Ban blessed by the courts.

So what Trumpers are saying is:

200,000 dead Americans is more acceptable than Democrat criticism of Trump.

#38 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-09-16 06:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#37 It must suck to have your dad taken in by Russian propaganda, while thinking he's an All American badass.

#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-09-16 06:41 PM | Reply

So...it's a vote for Trump.
#40 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Wow. One fnkcing election where you couldn't swallow your hatred for liberalism to save all of us from Trumpism.

Damned pathetic.

#41 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-09-16 07:59 PM | Reply

- I am not supporting Trump.

- So...it's a vote for Trump.

Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice... dumbassery.

#42 | Posted by Corky at 2020-09-16 08:16 PM | Reply

Let's just hope Scientific American doesn't end up regretting getting politically involved.

Never smart for a business to alienate half the country.

#44 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-09-16 08:31 PM | Reply

Trump voters boycotting Scientific American would have as much effect as them boycotting voting for Democrats.

#46 | Posted by REDIAL at 2020-09-16 08:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Clown,

huh....threat?

from what I'm seeing, they are not considered the serious publication they once were.

maybe this is just a ploy to get some attention.

#47 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-09-16 08:57 PM | Reply

from what I'm seeing, they are not considered the serious publication they once were.

Someone's bent over SA's rational and logical analysis of Trump.

#48 | Posted by YAV at 2020-09-16 09:11 PM | Reply

Clown,

huh....threat?

Your lame "they'll be sorry" threats.

Like you're some authority figure.

#49 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-09-16 09:22 PM | Reply

"I am not supporting Trump.
I am supporting conservative ideology."

Hey, I believe the second one, but I just would like you to explain to me,

What conservative ideologies has Trump actually implemented over the past four years?

Has Trump enacted any policies, conservative or otherwise, that you actually didn't like over the past four years?

#50 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-09-17 12:39 AM | Reply

Has Trump enacted any policies, conservative or otherwise, that you actually didn't like over the past four years?
#50 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Yeah, ramming through hundreds of thousands of conservative judges, including on the SCOTUS.

Honestly, I've heard conservatives claim all of this bull ---- is worth the justices alone.

Scary ------- people, man.

#51 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-09-17 12:46 AM | Reply

That's what Boaz says.

I'm asking what BillJohnson says.

#52 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-09-17 12:54 AM | Reply

Deschutes Fresh Squeezed tonight. Not quite as good as I remember it. I probably need to pour it into a glass like a proper snob.

#53 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-09-17 12:57 AM | Reply

So Bill is morphing his own inability to read into some Trumpist grievance. What a thread.

#54 | Posted by JOE at 2020-09-17 08:08 AM | Reply

Great insight into how a Trump lover will twist, reinterpret what they read, rationalize, and then lie to themselves and everyone else so they can keep supporting Trump - no matter what.

#55 | Posted by YAV at 2020-09-17 08:19 AM | Reply

#54 - Newsworthy and nice insight.

#56 | Posted by YAV at 2020-09-17 08:20 AM | Reply

I probably need to pour it into a glass like a proper snob.
#53 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2020-09-17 12:57 AM

This IPA snob suggests you pour it in a glass cuz you gots to activate the hops!

#57 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-09-17 04:19 PM | Reply

Sounds like Bill is good with Trump's incompetence killing 100,000 Americans (so far), because at least if wasn't 200,000 (yet).

No Lives Matter

#58 | Posted by bored at 2020-09-18 01:09 PM | Reply

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