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Wednesday, September 16, 2020

"These face masks are the most important, powerful public health tool we have, and I will continue to appeal for all Americans, all individuals in our country, to embrace these face coverings. I have said if we did it for six, eight, 10, 12 weeks, we would bring this pandemic under control," CDC Director Robert Redfield said during a Senate hearing on Wednesday. "We have clear scientific evidence they work and they are our best defense."

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Redfield went on to speculate that masks may even be more effective than a COVID-19 vaccine, particularly for people who don't respond to a vaccine.

"I might even go so far as to say that this face mask is more guaranteed to protect me against COVID than when I take a COVID vaccine, because it may be 70%, and if I don't get an immune response, the vaccine is not going to protect me," he said. "This face mask will."

I wonder if our President will hear the message of his own CDC director and quickly announce to all Americans the importance of wearing face masks in public so that we can immediately stop the spread of the virus even before any vaccines are approved for usage?

Magic 8 ball says...

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-09-16 01:42 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

#1 | Posted by tonyroma

Yeah. He ain't long for Trump World.

#2 | Posted by Zed at 2020-09-16 01:43 PM | Reply

#1 "I wonder if our President will hear..." No, he will hear NOTHING anyone says and will even contradict things HE says by the following day, or even later in the afternoon...

#3 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2020-09-16 01:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

So there you have it: Just wear a mask for the rest of your life rather than take a vaccine ; )

#4 | Posted by MSgt at 2020-09-16 06:23 PM | Reply

NO, it's "just wear a mask for the rest of your life, stay hunkered down in your basement in fear, don't go back to school or work, and put your life on hold - unless Biden wins the election, then everything's just fine!"

#5 | Posted by Spork at 2020-09-16 06:27 PM | Reply

"just wear a mask for the rest of your life, stay hunkered down in your basement in fear, don't go back to school or work, and put your life on hold

5 | Posted by Spork

That's not the choice.

Jeez. Looking both ways before you cross the street is not an infringement on your life.

#6 | Posted by Zed at 2020-09-16 06:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Biden wins the election, then everything's just fine!"

#5 | Posted by Spork at 2020-09-16 06:27

Of course not. But the alternative is condemnation to riding in a truck-full of manure with a monkey at the wheel.

#7 | Posted by Zed at 2020-09-16 06:48 PM | Reply

Looking both ways before you cross the street...

...robs you of your freedom.

Don't fall for it.

#8 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-09-16 06:54 PM | Reply

The double yellow line LITERALLY TAKES HALF THE ROAD FROM YOU.

Liberate the highways!

#9 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-09-16 06:55 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Just wear a mask for the rest of your life rather than take a vaccine ; )
#4 | POSTED BY MSGT

You and you're black and white perspective.

JFC.

Get a fnkcin' clue, man! Is there a vaccine available? No? Then put on your fnkcing mask as it's just as effective as a vaccine in a world that lacks a vaccine.

When the vaccine is distributed, take the fnkcing vaccine.

WTF is your problem? This is not rocket science.

#10 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-09-16 07:50 PM | Reply

- Is there a vaccine available? No? Then put on your fnkcing mask

That would be the intelligent thing to do.... so, count rwingers out.

#11 | Posted by Corky at 2020-09-16 09:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Yes, this is from the Netherlands where covid deaths were basically ended in May of this year.

Liar.

26 out of 215 countries - cases reported today. Netherlands 86,320 (total cases) +1,542(new cases today) 6,260(deaths) +2(deaths today)

www.worldometers.info

#13 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-09-16 10:07 PM | Reply

Today's case number is the all-time high for the Netherlands who is in the midst of a continuing spike since about a week before the linked article was written.

Of course, death is a trailing indicator and while increasing, are still doing so in very small numbers so far.

#15 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-09-16 10:16 PM | Reply

The virus has been contained from being lethal.

Just how is this possible, oh wise one? What are they doing that other nations aren't doing to limit their fatalities?

#16 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-09-16 10:18 PM | Reply

with NO UPTICK IN DEATH

We are not 2 months into the spike, we are two months from the beginning of the spike.

Everyone knows that treatment protocols have improved the more time passes. That is all your examples show at this point. The spike is not over, and until the lethality of this virus becomes ZERO, people ARE going to die. Some people last more than 2 months yet still die.

Until we get to that point nothing is certain. Unfortunately, Netherlands does not publish just how many active cases there are right now. If we knew that, then better assumptions could be drawn.

But to downplay 1542 infections just today by exclaiming that no one died, is quite stupid. If the mortality rate stays at .05% that means 8 of today's infected are statistically predicted to die at some point in the future.

#18 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-09-16 10:33 PM | Reply

...no change in deaths which is what matters.

Come on Down... the next contestant on "Pick Your Metric"!!!!!

#19 | Posted by REDIAL at 2020-09-16 10:52 PM | Reply

Bizzarro's a frikken nut-job that can't stay away no matter how many times his account is disabled.
Same arguments he used under STC 1 and 2, or any of the other 5 names I can recall him using.
Pathetic spreader of misinformation, lies, and propaganda.

#20 | Posted by YAV at 2020-09-16 11:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Are Americans so stupid we don't understand why people in Asian countries wear masks during flu season?

Think about it, Trumpers: They have flu shots too. And yet they still wear masks. Why?

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-09-17 12:29 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"We are 2 months into it with NO UPTICK IN DEATH."

Two months?

The pandemic started sometime after the Fourth of July?

It was supposed to go to zero, four or five months ago.

Instead it's around seven million.

It will hit, oh, a hundred or two hundred million before this is over, unless we get a vaccine far sooner than expected.

And you'll still be saying what a great job Trump has done.

#22 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-09-17 12:34 AM | Reply

I read an interesting article about a study in the NE Journal of Medicine by a couple of infectious disease researchers. They posit that not only are masks helping to limit the spread of Coronavirus, but they are also likely increasing survivability if you get COVID. Their theory, based in data from cruise ships and the meatpacking industry, is that even if you are exposed to Coronavirus while wearing a mask, you ingest less of the virus. Because you have a lower viral load, the symptoms are far less severe or you might even be asymptomatic. Even if you have a lower viral load, you still gain the immunity you would normally get from having the disease. SO WEAR YOUR GD MASK!!!

#23 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2020-09-17 03:36 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

@#12 ... I tend to believe the Dutch that say masks have no effectiveness. ...

Why? Because that is what you want to hear and you therefore take it out of context?

@#14 ... No honest person can look at this chart and conclude that covid is still active in the Netherlands. ... ,/i>

Sep 16 - 6260 deaths
Sep 15 - 6258 deaths
Sep 1 - 6230 deaths

etc...

I don't know what you see in that chart but I see ongoing deaths from COVID-19. So I'd say it looks to me as if COVID-19 is still active in the Netherlands.

How 'bout this...

1,753 new coronavirus cases, inspectors warn health boards not ready for second wave
www.dutchnews.nl

...A further 1,753 positive coronavirus tests were registered with the public health board RIVM in the past 24 hours, as the government and regional officials finalise a new package of measures to combat the spread of the virus. The increase has taken the number of positive tests up to almost nine per 100,000, which is well into the government's red warning zone. The reproduction rate is also now at 1.38...



#24 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-09-17 03:49 PM | Reply

@#17 ... no change in deaths which is what matters. ...

There is an uptick in deaths if you look at the daily numbers.

You can see it in the Netherlands chart you posted if you hover your cursor over the curve. The daily numbers pop up.

#25 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-09-17 03:52 PM | Reply

I'm a right-winger. I wear a mask. I hate it but I wear it. As soon as the vaccine is available and I have the antibodies, I'm going to burn my masks. I get the flu shot every year and have so for decades. I've also had the flu in the years when the shot didn't contain the vaccine for the flu that hit the country that year. I'll take the 2 or 3 days of flu over 365 days of a mask any day. Bring on the tested and safe vaccine!

#26 | Posted by Rocky_b at 2020-09-17 05:04 PM | Reply

I tend to believe the Dutch that say masks have no effectiveness. Yes, this is from the Netherlands where covid deaths were basically ended in May of this year.

www.reuters.com

#12 | Posted by bizarro_world at 2020-09-16 09:35 PM | Reply

I think you need to re-read that article. "The Dutch" don't say masks have no effectiveness. The Dutch health minister said it isn't proven, yet they still require it on public transportation and in airports. From the article:

He argued wearing masks incorrectly, together with worse adherence to social distancing rules, could increase the risk of transmitting the disease.

"So we think that if you're going to use masks (in a public setting) ... then you must give good training for it," he said.

Mask are currently required only on public transportation in the Netherlands and in airports.


Sounds to me like they think it has some effectiveness, but have the same kinds of concerns that were voiced early in the pandemic about people feeling a false sense of security, or contaminating themselves by touching the mask.

Your interpretation of the article seems questionable.

By the way, how'd they do that ending of CoViD deaths in May? What steps did they take? Have we done the same here, or even close? Shouldn't we be emulating them since, as you say, they "basically ended [CoViD deaths] in May"?

#27 | Posted by StatsPlease at 2020-09-17 05:12 PM | Reply

The daily deaths in the Netherlands have been in the single digits since June, but the daily new cases are at their highest and growing. I don't understand how the deaths can be so low with the cases so high. Nonetheless, the Netherlands isn't doing great:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/netherlands/

#28 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2020-09-17 05:36 PM | Reply

@#28 ... but the daily new cases are at their highest and growing. I don't understand how the deaths can be so low with the cases so high. ...

If the case rate is rising, it usually takes three to eight weeks for the deaths caused by the increasing case rate to be reflected in the death rate.

In other words, people do not die immediately when they get COVID-19, it takes a while.

#29 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-09-17 05:42 PM | Reply

The daily deaths in the Netherlands have been in the single digits since June, but the daily new cases are at their highest and growing. I don't understand how the deaths can be so low with the cases so high. Nonetheless, the Netherlands isn't doing great:

www.worldometers.info

#28 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2020-09-17 05:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's also pretty clear looking at the data from March and April they had a lot more cases than they knew about early on. The deaths peaked about the same time, or a little before, the case count did. As Lamplighter says, it's a 3-8 week delay, generally, from detection to death. That may have been shorter early on when the testing may have only been performed on severely symptomatic people, but it still wouldn't have been instantaneous.

It also looks like the number of new cases really didn't grow that rapidly until mid-August, which would indicate we should start to see the uptick in deaths starting around now. Even assuming a 5% case fatality rate, we'd only be seeing about 30 new deaths/day from the spike in August, rising up to less than 100 in the next few weeks. Not great, but still very manageable as long as they don't let the infection rate continue to grow.

#30 | Posted by StatsPlease at 2020-09-17 06:04 PM | Reply

The daily deaths in the Netherlands have been in the single digits since June, but the daily new cases are at their highest and growing. I don't understand how the deaths can be so low with the cases so high. Nonetheless, the Netherlands isn't doing great:

www.worldometers.info

#28 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2020-09-17 05:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's also pretty clear looking at the data from March and April they had a lot more cases than they knew about early on. The deaths peaked about the same time, or a little before, the case count did. As Lamplighter says, it's a 3-8 week delay, generally, from detection to death. That may have been shorter early on when the testing may have only been performed on severely symptomatic people, but it still wouldn't have been instantaneous.

It also looks like the number of new cases really didn't grow that rapidly until mid-August, which would indicate we should start to see the uptick in deaths starting around now. Even assuming a 5% case fatality rate, we'd only be seeing about 30 new deaths/day from the spike in August, rising up to less than 100 in the next few weeks. Not great, but still very manageable as long as they don't let the infection rate continue to grow.

#31 | Posted by StatsPlease at 2020-09-17 06:04 PM | Reply

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