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Tuesday, September 22, 2020

Ronald Brownstein: A Republican vote to replace the late Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg before the next presidential inauguration could deepen the pressure on majority rule that is already threatening to engulf all elements of America's political system.

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The argument could be made that it is already dead. And people such as Boaz and other right wingers are okay with that so long as their side comes out ahead.

#1 | Posted by moder8 at 2020-09-22 02:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The flaws of the electoral college are widely known.

The unfairness of the senate was designed to be disproportionate representation.

But the current president, the ------- he is, doesn't have less power because he didn't win the popular vote.

What should any president do that didn't win the popular vote? "Okay...since I didn't win the popular vote...I won't nominate a new justice. Hell, I won't even use the bathroom in the residence anymore....because I didn't win the popular vote"

#2 | Posted by eberly at 2020-09-22 02:54 PM | Reply

Get. Rid. Of.The.Electoral. College. There I told you. Trump needs your vote, get cracking.

#3 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-09-22 03:03 PM | Reply

But having not won the popular vote should have motivated Trump to reach out and try to get a least a consensus in terms of tacit support from the citizens of the nation. This he failed to do, not even attempt. In fact, he went out of his way from day one pitting Americans against each other, all with the intention of achieving for his supporters, and I don't mean his 'base' because he doesn't give a s#@t about them and would shake any of their "disgusting" hands even if there wasn't a pandemic. No, his true supporters are the rich and the white.

OCU

#4 | Posted by OCUser at 2020-09-22 03:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

This is where my faith in the US kicks in. I believe the current status quo can not stand. Something will give. There will be a change. I'm not sure what it will be or how it will play out, but the mockery we have seen in the Supreme Court in 2016 and 2020 is going to lead to a change. I absolutely believe that. Maybe the Dems will pack the SC. Something will give because the majority Americans do not accept what is happening. The politicians will pay a price if they do not respond.

Or

Trump wins reelection. He packs the Court. He does away with the pretense of democracy in America. Names himself President for Life. Right wingers run the board. Dems fold like sheep. The USA changes it's name to Trumpistan. And people such as Lindsey Graham, Mitch McConnell and Ted Cruz live happily ever after.

#5 | Posted by moder8 at 2020-09-22 03:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Thanks to the EC and the way the Senate is rigged, we are already in an apartheid state, where the minority rules the majority. The Democratic candidate has won the popular vote in six of the last seven elections, yet six of the nine justices on SCOTUS represent the views of 40% of Americans or in the case of ROE, about 25% of Americans. Good luck getting ANY moderate legislation on ANYTHING to stand up to judicial review, whether it's for equality, voting rights, environmental legislation, healthcare, you name it. The population of this country is trending left, but the levers of government are held by the radical, reactionary, authoritarian Reich.

#6 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2020-09-22 03:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"Majority Rule" means that 51% of the people can vote to piss in the Cheerios of the other 49%.

That's not how the country was set up, and for good reason.

#7 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2020-09-22 03:06 PM | Reply

" Majority Rule" means that 51% of the people can vote to piss in the Cheerios of the other 49%. That's not how the country was set up, and for good reason."

Exactly.

Just look at NC and WI, where a MINORITY of people can vote to piss in the Majority's Cheerios.

Dems could get 75% of the statewide vote in WI, and still get less than 50% of the seats. For reference, FDR got the largest percentage ever for a presidential election, and even he couldn't break 61%.

#8 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-09-22 03:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"Majority Rule" means that 51% of the people can vote to piss in the Cheerios of the other 49%.

That's not how the country was set up, and for good reason.

#7 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2020-09-22 03:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

BS, it was NEVER intended to work the way it does now. The courts were intended to be the referees, the moderator of radical ideology, not the political football the way GOP and Moscow Mitch have made them. Moscow Mitch has packed the court with radical Reichwing zealots who believe that money is political speech, political PACs can accept donations from anywhere (even Russia for the NRA) without disclosing, corporations are people, and that states have the right to make voting as difficult as possible for whichever group they want. The Dems are going to have to unpack the courts by either expanding them or by firing/impeaching a bunch of GOP judges starting with Judge Keg, who obviously lied during his confirmation hearings; because it's not right that SCOTUS has the ability to overturn broadly popular legislation like ACA simply because of hard Reich political ideology.

I'm sure if the Founders had seen the way the country would expand and change, they would have made the Senate more representative. The fact that we are moving toward a time when the vast majority of people in this country will live in 15 states, why should states like RI, WY, ID get two Senators when far more populace states like CA, TX, FL get the same. The votes of people in WY should not count five times as much the votes in CA, that's anti-democratic. Dems can fix some of that by making DC and PR states. That should be their first order of business.

#9 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2020-09-22 03:26 PM | Reply

That's not how the country was set up, and for good reason.
#7 | POSTED BY MAO_CONTENT

Of course Mao wants to go back to only land owning white Christian males having the right to vote.

Black Americans should still be counted as 3/5s of a person, right?

Just like when the country was set up.

This is what Trump meant by MAGA. and why Mao is so desperate for Trump to win in November.

#10 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-09-22 03:33 PM | Reply

"Majority Rule" means that 51% of the people can vote to piss in the Cheerios of the other 49%.
That's not how the country was set up, and for good reason.

#7 | POSTED BY MAO_CONTENT

It wasn't set up for minority rule either.

#11 | Posted by jpw at 2020-09-22 03:44 PM | Reply

Of course Mao wants to go back to only land owning white Christian males having the right to vote. Black Americans should still be counted as 3/5s of a person, right?

What an amazing summary of the tenets underlying how Constitutional Republics work.

Are you a civics tutor?

#12 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2020-09-22 03:44 PM | Reply

It wasn't set up for minority rule either.

Well, you let us know when we get there.

It's not "tHe eLeCTorAl ColLeGe" that's sending those Senators to Washington.

#13 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2020-09-22 03:48 PM | Reply

The senate structure won't change and was designed to operate the way it is.

The electoral college isn't operating the way it was designed so I get the frustration over that.

Of course what's going on in WI and NC is clearly gerrymandering and I hope the courts put a stop to it.

#14 | Posted by eberly at 2020-09-22 04:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Of course what's going on in WI and NC is clearly gerrymandering and I hope the courts put a stop to it."

The SC refused to stop it even with fewer right wingers on the court than it will have now.

#15 | Posted by danni at 2020-09-22 04:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's not "tHe eLeCTorAl ColLeGe" that's sending those Senators to Washington.

The Republican Senate "majority" represents a minority of voters, ------.

#16 | Posted by JOE at 2020-09-22 04:34 PM | Reply

Are you a civics tutor?
#12 | POSTED BY MAO_CONTENT

Are you aware of the history of "how this country was set up"?

#17 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-09-22 04:44 PM | Reply

The Republican Senate "majority" represents a minority of voters, ------.

As it was designed in the first instance, whether we like it or not.

#18 | Posted by leftcoastlawyer at 2020-09-22 04:46 PM | Reply

The Founders were concerned that a radicalized majority might run roughshod over a rational minority if direct democracy was instituted. But they never intended for a radicalized minority to run roughshod over a rational majority either.

On the issues of today - which have been the same issues that have been debated about for more than 4 decades - the public is on the opposite side of the GOP's minority-in-charge. So the perversion of representative democracy has become a mockery of its intended purpose.

An aggrieved minority isn't seeking protections, its codifying dominance for its own unpopular views opposed by a much larger majority of the population, now finding its own liberty restricted by the whims of an empowered illiberal minority.

#19 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-09-22 04:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

How can you have a "Government of The People" if the minority rules over the majority? How can a minority claim to speak for "The People"?

#20 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2020-09-22 05:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Well, you let us know when we get there.
It's not "tHe eLeCTorAl ColLeGe" that's sending those Senators to Washington.
#13 | POSTED BY MAO_CONTENT

There's more to government than the Senate.

Seems you're not to familiar with how a Constitutional Republic works either. At least not ours.

#21 | Posted by jpw at 2020-09-22 05:56 PM | Reply

There are many Constitutional Republics on this planet. None of them (other than ours) have this kind of disproportional representation. It is not a requirement in order to be a CR. When you combine the way the Senate is formed with the Electoral College, and winner-take-all elections that structurally perpertuate a two-party duopoly, US is the most UNdemocratic of all the Constitutional Republics (commonly known by everybody but Right Wingers as "democracies").

#22 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2020-09-22 06:07 PM | Reply

Seems you're not to familiar with how a Constitutional Republic works either.

Seems you arent either. We are 50 independent states, or almost 50 different countries.

I'm not like you. You arent like me. And that's ok. Which is why we live in different states with different cultures. Your decisions shouldnt affect me. Mine shouldnt affect you. That's the way the system was designed. You want to live in a liberal craphole? Sure, stay there. But if we dont where I live, we have that choice.

Your problem is you think the U.S. is one top down country. It isnt and wasnt designed that way. It's designed so, that if we dont agree on something, it doesnt get implemented. That protecting everyone's rights, whether you agree with them or not.

#23 | Posted by boaz at 2020-09-22 06:10 PM | Reply

We are 50 independent states, or almost 50 different countries.

Not in the slightest bit.

Not at all.

Despite you're delusion.

We're all Americans.

We live in America.

#24 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-09-22 06:18 PM | Reply

I'm not like you. You arent like me. And that's ok. Which is why we live in different states with different cultures.

What does this mean? Because you don't agree with everyone in America, you aren't an American?

You agree with everyone in your state? Everyone??

You don't agree with people from other states??

Ridiculous.

#25 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-09-22 06:21 PM | Reply

The GOP have been hell bent on minority rule. Blocking anything Obama suggested, even if it was originally their idea.

The effort to stack the SC ... funded by a handful of billionaires who fund the Federalist Society. All so they can achieve through the courts what they couldn't via legislation.

And then there's the matter of Russian disinformation and election meddling 'conservatives' seem to find okey-dokey.

#26 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-09-22 06:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#23 | POSTED BY BOAZ

What does "One Nation under God, indivisible" mean to you?
What does "Perfect Union" (as in "in order to form" one) mean to you?

The "sovereign states" version of the US was the Articles of Confederacy. They were replaced by the Constitution because they didn't work. The Constitution establishes a central government which is sovreign over the states (i.e., 14th Amendment).

The argument over States Rights was settled by the Civil War, the premature ending of Reconstruction notwithstanding.

Did we respond to Pearl Harbor as "48 sovereign states" or as a Nation?

A pandemic should be addressed like an attack on the nation. In fact, according to #45, it is an attack, from China! So we're expecting the individual states to respond to an "attack" from China?

#27 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2020-09-22 06:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 8

#27

Very well written and Newsworthy.

#28 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-09-22 07:03 PM | Reply

" You want to live in a liberal craphole? Sure, stay there. But if we dont where I live, we have that choice."

Not true at all. In fact, the majority of the voters in NC voted for Dems, but Republicans control your legislature.
www.dailytarheel.com

#29 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-09-22 07:07 PM | Reply

Can Majority Rule Survive in US?

It didn't survive 2016.

#30 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-09-22 07:08 PM | Reply

One Nation Under Boaz, Highly Divisible.....

#31 | Posted by Corky at 2020-09-22 07:11 PM | Reply

Republican Senators represent 153 million Americans, Democratic Senators represent 168 million Americans

#32 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-09-22 07:17 PM | Reply

I posted the following in the Romney thread:

"As time goes by, the more and more I feel like the federal government does, in no way, represent anything I believe in or stand for. And from what I read, the federal government does not act in a way that represents the interests or desires of the majority of the American people. In fact, the current republican Senate and White House are acting not only against the interest of the American people, but in a dangerous and destructive way, causing the deaths of hundreds of thousands of it citizens, flaming tensions over police brutality and blatantly stealing power from democrats.
I place the blame primarily on republicans.
Although the roots of this corruption go way before the current president, beyond Obama, beyond even the 2000 election, but in the past 20 years the republicans stole an election, started wars of aggression, refused to work with a Democratic president, colluded with a foreign power to corrupt our elections, blackmailed a foreign power to corrupt a second election, stole SC seats. And so much more.
Vote you say? With all of the known and unknown efforts to steal this election? Dubious solution, at best, I say.
What option is left me/us? I fear for the future.
God, how our country would be different if Gore hadn't conceded. For the better."

What can a citizen do when faced with a situation like we find ourselves in? Voting doesn't work, protests don't work.

There are times when I really and truly wish Lincoln had lost the civil war.

#33 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-09-22 07:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Take an issue like the cost of health care. This has been a huge problem growing for decades. We absolutely need a solution. In the past 30 years, Clinton tried and failed to find a solution, Bush the Lesser ignored it. Obama came up with a workable solution, not perfect, BUT, he had to do it against complete Republican obstruction-zero buy in, zero compromise, zero support. Obama found a solution. Since the passage of the ACA, the Republicans have done all they can to overturn it and replace it with NOTHING. Is that how representative democracy should work?

So, we have an issue that effects all Americans. We have one party that strives to find an answer and we have opposition whose ONLY focus is NO and then to destroy what is accomplished. ZERO addressing of the issue.

But, in a country with gerrymandering and nearly universal reelection of representatives and Senators elected by states, often with little challenge, what can Americans do? Maybe it is the State system that is the problem, where someone like McConnell can reign unchallenged and destroy what the vast majority of Americans WANT.

I don't claim to have a solution, out of the box thinking is needed.

#34 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-09-22 07:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

As it was designed in the first instance, whether we like it or not.
#18 | POSTED BY LEFTCOASTLAWYER

Had you followed the thread, you'd know that the implication i was responding to was that Republican Senate majority had some sort of electoral mandate to speak for a majority of American voters. That is not true, which is all i said.

#35 | Posted by JOE at 2020-09-22 08:14 PM | Reply

It's designed so, that if we dont agree on something, it doesnt get implemented.
#23 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2020-09-22 06:10 PM

How did the ACA get implemented when you didnt agree with it?

How is Trump shoving federalist society nutcases down our throats when so many of us disagree with it?

Seems you have a fairly ignorant understanding of how America actually works, which is no surprise.

#36 | Posted by JOE at 2020-09-22 08:17 PM | Reply

Truth and our only hope:

Gregg Smith @10milesbadroad

RBG's Seat is lost. Focus your rage. Donate and volunteer in every winnable/flippable Senate election--SC, AZ, NC, ME, MT, GA, IA, CO push hard in Texas and KY as well. And be relentless on electing Biden/Harris. Rage at the ballot box. Sweep these --------- out. #WarFooting

twitter.com

#37 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-09-22 08:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Focus your rage

"Come to the Drudge Retort ----------- and copiously post comments about 'fascists" and 'Nazis' as you otherwise set yourself up for a major mental health episode in early November!"

You poor bastards. LOL

#38 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2020-09-22 08:51 PM | Reply

'fascists" and 'Nazis'

Don't forget the concentration camps.

And don't forget the Space Force motto: Uber Alles.

#39 | Posted by Snoofy at 2020-09-22 09:02 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Focus your rage"

Is DonnerBoy going to threaten to beat up Eberly again?

#40 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2020-09-22 09:11 PM | Reply

"Focus your rage."

Meaning: Donate & volunteer. Meaning VOTE. And tell them Ruth sent you.

#41 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-09-22 09:21 PM | Reply

"Focus your rage."

Meaning:

You want to ensure you defeat trump. Defeat his enablers.

He. Is. Nothing. Without. Them.

Control the House. Win the Senate.

***

This is exactly right.

We need to take out the dogs guarding the gate.

Focus on down ballot races.

twitter.com

#42 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-09-22 09:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"Focus your rage."

Meaning:

You want to ensure you defeat trump. Defeat his enablers.

He. Is. Nothing. Without. Them.

Control the House. Win the Senate.

***

This is exactly right.

We need to take out the dogs guarding the gate.

Focus on down ballot races.

twitter.com

#43 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-09-22 09:25 PM | Reply

So when DonnerBoy squares up against Eberly, he's going to say "Ruth sent me, mother ------." Then he's going to beat Eberly up with his badass karate skills.

#44 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2020-09-22 09:29 PM | Reply

"Focus your rage."

Meaning:

I'm a relatively affluent, urban white liberal informed by a media bubble that represents maybe 20% of the population but I need to ensure I'm not stroking a Therapy Puppy and mumbling about "Russians" when I go home for Thanksgiving this year.

#45 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2020-09-22 09:45 PM | Reply

So when DonnerBoy squares up against Eberly, he's going to say "Ruth sent me, mother ------."

Donnerboy will ---- you up.

Don't take it lightly.

Semper Fi.

#46 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2020-09-22 09:47 PM | Reply

"Focus your rage."
Meaning:
I'm a relatively affluent, urban white liberal informed by a media bubble that represents maybe 20% of the population but I need to ensure I'm not stroking a Therapy Puppy and mumbling about "Russians" when I go home for Thanksgiving this year.

I don't know who Gregg Smith is. His twitter bio reads:

"U.S. Marine, Spartan, Wolverine, Deloitte Ptr, Former Frontier Services Group CEO (Resigned 2016 when Prince and ChiComs decided to go into security for OBOR)"

But who knows?

#47 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-09-22 09:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I'm a relatively affluent, urban white liberal informed by a media bubble that represents maybe 20% of the population

Only 19.4% of the US population voted for Trump, so she's got you there.

#48 | Posted by JOE at 2020-09-22 10:06 PM | Reply

I'm a relatively affluent, urban white liberal informed by a media bubble that represents maybe 20% of the population but I need to ensure I'm not stroking a Therapy Puppy and mumbling about "Russians" when I go home for Thanksgiving this year.

#45 | Posted by Mao_Content

Better than being part of the podunk moron segment of the population that thinks they're "real Americans" while -------- on everything American actually is.

#49 | Posted by jpw at 2020-09-22 11:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Joe gets a wee bit sensitive when one talks about urban whiter than ------- mayonnaise pieces of ----.

#50 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2020-09-22 11:07 PM | Reply

I do?

#51 | Posted by JOE at 2020-09-22 11:31 PM | Reply

We could have majority rule if more people voted third and fourth parties into power. Democrats against third parties are just as guilty as Republicans doing the same for turning it into a Zero Sum game.

#52 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-09-23 09:37 AM | Reply

The Republican Senate "majority" represents a minority of voters, ------. - #16 | POSTED BY JOE AT 2020-09-22 04:34 PM
I assume that you are aware and just trying to gaslight everyone, but nobody in the Senate represents voters...they represent states.

#53 | Posted by Avigdore at 2020-09-23 09:37 AM | Reply

Only 19.4% of the US population voted for Trump, so she's got you there.

#48 | POSTED BY JOE AT 2020-09-22 10:06 PM
So a higher percentage than voted for President Clinton...and his SC nominees were A-ok, right?

#54 | Posted by Avigdore at 2020-09-23 09:46 AM | Reply

Majority rule is a myth to make the naive majority think they are in control.
The US has been ruled by small a minority since its inception.

#55 | Posted by Ray at 2020-09-23 09:59 AM | Reply

Your problem is you think the U.S. is one top down country. It isnt and wasnt designed that way. It's designed so, that if we dont agree on something, it doesnt get implemented. That protecting everyone's rights, whether you agree with them or not.

#23 | POSTED BY BOAZ

We have a constitution moron. It affects everyone equally. I don't care what S hole rock you crawl out from under.

Everyone is equal under the law in America. Or supposed to be.

The constitution is the law. Or is supposed to be. Follow the constitution and your rights will be protected.

E Pluribus Unum

Out of many, One.

#56 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-09-23 10:16 AM | Reply

nobody in the Senate represents voters...they represent states.

#53 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE

And what does a "state" represent? It's dogs? It's cats? It's trees?

The state IS made up of people. Go back to mother Russia comrade.

There the "state" is Pootin. And represents Pootin's desires. Not the people's.

#57 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-09-23 10:20 AM | Reply

So a higher percentage than voted for President Clinton...and his SC nominees were A-ok, right?
#54 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE AT 2020-09-23 09:46 AM

Another moron who can't follow the thread. I was responding to an implication that 20% of the population was some politically irrelevant corner of society, when in fact it took less than that to elect Trump. Now go find some other stupid deflection to make.

#58 | Posted by JOE at 2020-09-23 10:58 AM | Reply

nobody in the Senate represents voters...they represent states.
#53 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE AT 2020-09-23 09:37 AM

You really don't read, do you?

Again, I responded to someone who implied that the Senate Republican "majority" has some sort of electoral mandate to do what they're doing. They don't.

#59 | Posted by JOE at 2020-09-23 10:59 AM | Reply

otherwise set yourself up for a major mental health episode in early November!"

You poor bastards. LOL

#38 | POSTED BY MAO_CONTENT

I may be mental as you say.

But at least I am not dead. Yet.

Like 200,000 of my fellow mental patients.

#60 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-09-23 11:30 AM | Reply

You've definitely got CTE from your USMC days. Comes with the territory.

#61 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-09-23 11:52 AM | Reply

Again, I responded to someone who implied that the Senate Republican "majority" has some sort of electoral mandate to do what they're doing. They don't. - #59 | Posted by JOE at 2020-09-23 10:59 AM

You claimed, falsely, that the Senators "represents a minority of voters"...I couldn't care less WHY you were speaking your falsehood, but I still felt the need to make sure everyone (perhaps including you if you weren't intentionally trying to misinform people) understood that you were mistaken.

#62 | Posted by Avigdore at 2020-09-23 02:54 PM | Reply

"You claimed, falsely, that the Senators "represents a minority of voters""

How is that? Voters elect Senators, and less Americans live in Republican-Senator states than in Democrat-Senator states.

#63 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-09-23 02:59 PM | Reply

"the (Republican) Senators "represents a minority of voters""

fivethirtyeight.com

#64 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-09-23 04:01 PM | Reply

You've definitely got CTE from your USMC days. Comes with the territory.

#61 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

Are you referring to the "Not Very Serious" "little headaches" we veterans get after being exposed to violent explosions?

CTE's have been classified as "little headaches" in Trumplandia by Dr Trump.

We are directed to take a few aspirins and we are told we will be fine.

So I am fine.

Everything is fine

I SAID EVERYTHING IS FINE!

#65 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-09-24 10:30 AM | Reply

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