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Wednesday, September 23, 2020

What would happen if the Supreme Court struck down the Affordable Care Act? Many millions more people would be affected by such a ruling than those who rely on the law for health insurance. Its many provisions touch the lives of most Americans, from nursing mothers to people who eat at chain restaurants. Here are some potential consequences, based on estimates by various groups.

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The list of the millions of people who will be affected is long. Take a look for yourself and then vote accordingly. A Democratic President with a Democratically-controlled House and Senate at his back could reverse, or at least mitigate, some of the losses. If not Medicare for All, then at least Medicare for All Who Want It.

#1 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-09-22 08:19 PM | Reply

quoting myself.
I'm not sure what sort of hyperpartisan would consider the popularity of a law when trying to determine the Constitutionality of that law. Regardless of how popular the law is, if it's not in accordance with the Constitution, then it deserves to be struck down. I hope it's popular enough to move forward with changing the Constitution. There's a method of doing that. We don't judge the constitutionality of a law by how many people like it. - #4 | Posted by Avigdore at 2020-09-22 04:02 PM

A non-partisan judge shouldn't really be considering the impact of a law when determining its constitutionality, should they? They were nominated and consented upon to uphold the constitution, not to be lawmakers. We have an entire branch of the government to fill that role.

SC Justices take 2 oaths (there is also a combined version).

"I, _________, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God."

"I, _________, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will administer justice without respect to persons, and do equal right to the poor and to the rich, and that I will faithfully and impartially discharge and perform all the duties incumbent upon me as _________ under the Constitution and laws of the United States. So help me God."

We've reached this point because SC Justices seem to no longer behave as impartial judges (along with much of the judiciary, to be sure).

#2 | Posted by Avigdore at 2020-09-22 08:33 PM | Reply

"quoting myself."

Someone has to. ;-)

#3 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-09-22 09:27 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

@#2 ... Regardless of how popular the law is, if it's not in accordance with the Constitution, then it deserves to be struck down. ...

I do not disagree.

Whether or not ACA is struck down, it is/was an attempt that built upon earlier Republican and Conservative attempts, to fix the healthcare crisis in the Country.

If ACA is struck down because of Constitutional issues, then there needs to be something to replace it.

Before the Republicans lost the House in 2018, there was an attempt. The overriding problem seems to be the pre-existing conditions clause. That is one of the more popular provisions of ACA (if not the most popular provision). Yet to have a pre-existing clause, you need some way to spread the costs out over an insurance pool. The Republican , Conservative and ACA proposals all used a mandate to create that pool.

So, if the Supreme Court cuts down the ACA, I am sure there will be many, many Republicans who are rejoicing. But they will have lost sight of the problem that needs to be solved.

The healthcare in the Country is in a crisis. What will those rejoicing Republicans put into place to fix the healthcare system?


Candidate Trump on healthcare:

May 21, 2015
I'm not going to cut Medicare or Medicaid.

Sept 25, 2015
Everybody's got to be covered.

Feb 17, 2016
We're going to have great plans. They're going to be much less expensive and they're going to be much better.

Oct 25, 2016
You're going to have such great healthcare at a tiny fraction of the cost, and it is going to be so easy.

Nov 13, 2016
It will be better healthcare, much better for less money. Not a bad combination.

"I'm not going to cut Social Security like every other Republican and I'm not going to cut Medicare or Medicaid."
-- Trump to the Daily Signal in May 2015

"We will immediately repeal and replace ObamaCare - and nobody can do that like me. We will save $'s and have much better healthcare!"
-- Trump tweet in February 2016

Pres-elect Trump on healthcare:

"We're going to have insurance for everybody ... There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can't pay for it, you don't get it. That's not going to happen with us."
-- Pres-elect Trump to the Washington Post in January 2017

Pres Trump on healthcare:

"Our healthcare plan will lower premiums & deductibles " and be great healthcare!"
-- Trump tweet in May 2017


We are still waiting.

After nearly four years, we are still waiting.



#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-09-23 12:50 PM | Reply

#4

Let me put your heart at ease.

Trump was lying.

#5 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-09-23 12:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Lamp,

Letting people die in ditches is technically a health care plan.

Keep that in mind.

Alrighty!

#6 | Posted by LostAngeles at 2020-09-23 12:53 PM | Reply

Trump and his supporters are hell bent on turning this nation into a third rate --------.

#7 | Posted by moder8 at 2020-09-23 12:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Letting people die in ditches is technically a health care plan.
I see an earlier poster addressed that.

Oct 25, 2016
You're going to have such great healthcare at a tiny fraction of the cost, and it is going to be so easy.

#8 | Posted by Avigdore at 2020-09-23 01:00 PM | Reply

@#5 ... Trump was lying. ...

In hindsight, it is easy to see that.

But at the time, too many people believed what candidate Trump was saying.

Frighteningly, he is saying similar things again, and the same people are buying it. Again.

#9 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-09-23 01:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

No worries, Trump is going to bring out the best healthcare plan in two weeks from two weeks from now.

#10 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2020-09-23 01:05 PM | Reply

Trump and his supporters are hell bent on turning this nation into a third rate --------.

That's why Putin our Trump in charge of America.

To turn the United States into the failed Soviet Union.

#11 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-09-23 01:06 PM | Reply

We are still waiting.

After nearly four years, we are still waiting.

#4 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

You don't have to wait anymore. Trumpy's healthcare plan is already here.

It's called The Trumpy Dont Care Plan

Based on the Thanos Theory that a 50% reduction in the population means more than adequate resources for whomever survives.

#12 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-09-23 01:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

If the ACA is overturned, the results will present themselves immediately. Those results will almost immediately affect supporters of repeal and the millions of misguided voters who put those politicians in a position of power. More junkies on the streets or breaking into cars, huge bills that show up surprising medical patients, old folks unable to obtain treatment or medication because of the cost, and on and on. Many will not connect the demise of ACA and what they suddenly are experiencing, but they will notice that...something is very different and medical care is even more expensive than before. Old folk especially will start screaming, and GOP members will be ducking and diving like never before.

Obamacare is far from perfect, but it's a start at addressing one of the biggest problems in this country. If repealed, 100% of the law will be repealed. The SCOTUS will not pick and choose parts to keep, because (in part) its not their job. And if repealed, GOP members of Congress will try mightily to blame those on the left, and very few will believe them...

#13 | Posted by catdog at 2020-09-23 01:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

And every American who tests positive for the COVID, or even shows antibodies afterwards, will automatically be considered to have a "preexisting condition'.

OCU

#14 | Posted by OCUser at 2020-09-23 01:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

There are many Constitutional ways the federal goverment could supply and fund healthcare for all citizens. Cost could be reduced by making the healthcare providers goverment employees and removing patent protection from drugs and medical devices. Abortion is already Constitutional and Singe Provider (not single payer) would cover access to all who wish it.

Offer this and Republics would be undefeated. Do not offer this and Republics will be tossed out of power forever and AOC and her squad will force what ever they want down your throat.

#15 | Posted by jdmeth at 2020-09-23 02:05 PM | Reply

Cost could be reduced by making the healthcare providers goverment employees and removing patent protection from drugs and medical devices.

But..but..but that would be soshalism!

That's way to the left of what AOC and the Squad have ever proposed!

#16 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2020-09-23 03:20 PM | Reply

What would it mean?

It would mean Stare Decisis is dead.

Dems pack the Court. Kill off any ruling regarding guns, religion, abortion, corporate personhood, etc. that they don't like.

Republicans couldn't complain...but of course they would.

#17 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-09-23 04:06 PM | Reply

I'm not sure what sort of hyperpartisan would consider the popularity of a law when trying to determine the Constitutionality of that law. Regardless of how popular the law is, if it's not in accordance with the A non-partisan judge shouldn't really be considering the impact of a law when determining its constitutionality, should they? They were nominated and consented upon to uphold the constitution, not to be lawmakers. We have an entire branch of the government to fill that role.

#2 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE

The reason why Republicans are pushing to install a Supreme Court Justice as quickly as possible is so that they can put another activist judge on the bench.

Conservatives want to overturn Roe v Wade. Which has previously been ruled as the constitutional solution by the Supreme Court. There is no reason for them to revisit it, other than them being "hyperpartisan".

The interpretation of the second amendment has changed DRASTICALLY over time due to conservative activism on the Supreme Court. Again, that sounds like the "hyperpartisan" actions that you talk of.

We are talking about the popularity of laws because Conservatives have insisted of politicizing and weaponizing the Supreme Court. It is obvious to EVERYONE that Conservatives don't care any more about what is constitutional, they only care about pushing their ideology on everyone else. The "constitutionality" is clear, and is not on the side of conservatives. But, because that argument no longer matters to conservatives, we have to defer to the argument about popularity.

#18 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2020-09-23 04:17 PM | Reply

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