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Wednesday, September 23, 2020

Wisconsin will continue to require people to wear face masks indoors after the state saw a surge of new Covid-19 cases. The order was issued by Gov. Tony Evers on Tuesday, coupled with the declaration of a public health emergency. The order is effective immediately, according to the governor's office, and is due to steeply rising cases, particularly among people between the ages of 18 and 24.

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#1 | Posted by Corky at 2020-09-22 08:40 PM | Reply

"Wisconsin's New Health Emergency: Kids Dying of Covid"
Fake news headline. Kid's Dying of Covid would imply there has been an increase in the number of kids (defined as under 18) dying from covid. No where is that mentioned in the article because kids under 18 (unless with massive underlying conditions), do not die from covid.
Second, the increase in infection rate concern is a kinda cute after their useless governor gave a free pass to riot since George Floyd's death including the torching of Kenosha which is likely the greatest source for infection in the 18-25 year old age group.

#2 | POSTED BY PACKED_COURT AT 2020-09-22 09:51 PM | FLAG: NEWSWORTHY

WTF CORKY?

Why the click-bait?

#3 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-09-22 10:00 PM | Reply

(defined as under 18)

lmao... you just can't quit us here on the ol' DR, can you? How many handles have you had, couple of dozen?

Rogers should just charge you monthly and let you post, 'cause you'd pay to post here.

18 to 24 year olds are "kids" to most of us here, lil' dimmy... especially as there is a letter character limit headlines and "kids" is a lot shorter than "young adults".

And Second, neither your first or second is anything other than an obfuscation... and whining, about things other than the fact that there are, "steeply rising cases, particularly among people between the ages of 18 and 24.", to which you have a big No Comment.

---- off.

#5 | Posted by Corky at 2020-09-22 10:04 PM | Reply

"0 deaths under the age of 19 in Wisconsin."

How many with residual pulmonary problems?

#6 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-09-22 10:06 PM | Reply

- click-bait?

Why the dumbassery, rsty?

#7 | Posted by Corky at 2020-09-22 10:06 PM | Reply

Why the fake outrage?

"There has been a 90% increase in Covid-19 cases in US children in the last four weeks, report says

Updated 5:50 AM ET, Tue August 11, 2020"

www.cnn.com

#8 | Posted by Corky at 2020-09-22 10:09 PM | Reply

Not to mention the fact that "the ages of 18 and 24.".... is right there in the header. So I won't mention it.

#9 | Posted by Corky at 2020-09-22 10:11 PM | Reply

#10

See #9... the info is right there in the header. Take your faux-Trump outrage and stuff it.

Oh, wait, you won't be posting here long enough.

#11 | Posted by Corky at 2020-09-22 10:17 PM | Reply

"'KIDS DYING' - which is 100% fake news"

Then why do we call college kids, "college kids"?

#12 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-09-22 10:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

So funny. This clown is like some sad incel stuck on a girl... he keeps coming back here for more no matter how many times Rogers slaps his face, lmao.

#13 | Posted by Corky at 2020-09-22 10:19 PM | Reply

#12

There you go again... always being so rational and stuff.

#14 | Posted by Corky at 2020-09-22 10:20 PM | Reply

- doesn't matter to me

Cool. You don't matter to us.

What really doesn't matter to you is that there are in Wisc, "steeply rising cases, particularly among people between the ages of 18 and 24." as is clearly stated in the header.

You've commented multiple times on the thread with nonsensical obfuscations, but nothing on topic.

Maybe you'll have to wait for Trump to tell you what to say. Which will also be nonsense.

#16 | Posted by Corky at 2020-09-22 11:08 PM | Reply

Second, the increase in infection rate concern is a kinda cute after their useless governor gave a free pass to riot since George Floyd's death including the torching of Kenosha which is likely the greatest source for infection in the 18-25 year old age group.

#2 | Posted by Packed_Court

STFU numb nuts. Go back to the sausage party.

#17 | Posted by jpw at 2020-09-22 11:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Governor Evers is stepping up to do the right thing. The same can not be said about Wisconsin's GOP controlled legislature.

#19 | Posted by SLBronkowitz at 2020-09-23 07:05 AM | Reply

Kids don't vote, right? So from a Republican point of view no problem.

#20 | Posted by Zed at 2020-09-23 07:42 AM | Reply

Only old people get it.

The young are immune. They gots strong immune systems.

- President Numbnuts.

#21 | Posted by Nixon at 2020-09-23 07:45 AM | Reply

STOP LYING!

As I posted before, if we had a leader and did things as:

Canada our 200,000 dead could have been 82,000. 118,000 people might be alive today that died from COVID-19.
Germany our 200,000 dead could have been 37,000. 163,000 people might be alive today that died from COVID-19.

Like you did before when you kept saying deaths aren't rising!" and I kept pointing out it'd take 23 days, and that wasn't "magic" to figure out, and the trend proved deadly accurate. Now you're arguing over the definition of "kids" and pretending that they aren't dying.

There's a whole thread on "virtually nobody dying" leading off with a bunch of kids.

All you do, no matter what name you crawl back here and use, is lie. It never ends with you. You're a lying pos defending a pos whose inactions and disinformation have killed over 100,000 people already. Now he's holding superspreader events, one right after another.

#22 | Posted by YAV at 2020-09-23 08:17 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#7 | POSTED BY CORKY

"Wisconsin's New Health Emergency: Kids Dying of Covid" (CORKY's original headline) does not equate to "Wisconsin's New Health Emergency: Covid Cases Among Young People"

Catch my drift?

No where in the article does it mention "Kids Dying," but does cover the youth becoming infected. You do see the difference, yes?

FTA:

"The order is effective immediately, according to the governor's office, and is due to steeply rising cases, particularly among people between the ages of 18 and 24. ...

That increase has been driven in part by the unprecedented number of infections among 18- to 24-year-olds, who have a case rate five times higher than other age groups, the governor's office said. ...

Though new cases slowed in August, the statement says, the reopening of schools has caused another jump. This order attempts to address that rise, by lengthening the mask requirement for another 60 days or until another order is issued."

Everything about infections and cases, nothing about deaths, and especially nothing about "Wisconsin's New Health Emergency: Kids Dying of Covid."

Now, please explain yourself.

#23 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-09-23 01:20 PM | Reply

Some percent of all infected people die.... pls see:

drudge.com

#24 | Posted by Corky at 2020-09-23 01:23 PM | Reply

"How many with residual pulmonary problems?"

Good question?

How many?

#25 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-09-23 01:24 PM | Reply

"Germany our 200,000 dead could have been 37,000. 163,000 people might be alive today that died from COVID-19."

How exactly did you come to that conclusion? The mortality rate in Germany (3.3% of those infected) is higher than than of the US (2.9% of those infected).

#26 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-09-23 01:33 PM | Reply

"Good question? How many?"

Too many. And certainly, more than you're pretending, and have pretended from the start.

#27 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-09-23 01:56 PM | Reply

How exactly did you come to that conclusion? The mortality rate in Germany (3.3% of those infected) is higher than than of the US (2.9% of those infected).

Anyone can calculate that using the per capita numbers.

#28 | Posted by YAV at 2020-09-23 01:59 PM | Reply

Some percent of all infected people die

Not only that, but the more people in any age group contract the virus, the higher rate at which it's going to be transmitted to other people.

#29 | Posted by JOE at 2020-09-23 02:04 PM | Reply

"Too many. And certainly, more than you're pretending, and have pretended from the start."

So...too many.

That's any number >0, right?

#30 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-09-23 02:06 PM | Reply

"Anyone can calculate that using the per capita numbers."

Got it. I was just curious about the methodology you used to come up with your numbers.

#31 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-09-23 02:07 PM | Reply

Thanks for asking, MadBomber. It is appreciated. I usually put the link in to that chart, as well.

If you keep people from getting infected (which is what I've been preaching), then the number that die will be lower.
There is a crossover point.
Reach that and even if the mortality rate is higher, the total deaths will be lower per million population.
That's what per capita normalizes.

This is what Germany's done well, and Canada, and Finland, and Iceland (incredible), and Japan, and S. Korea, and...

This is why I get passionate about this. It is needless excessive death. It breaks my heart.

BTW did you see the story about the wedding in Maine?
"Eight people have now died. None of them attended the wedding. They apparently contracted the virus from someone who did."
www.healthline.com

#32 | Posted by YAV at 2020-09-23 02:14 PM | Reply

"So...too many. That's any number >0, right?"

Well, when you're pretending that number = 0, the central point is your concept is screwy.

#33 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-09-23 02:19 PM | Reply

"Not only that, but the more people in any age group contract the virus, the higher rate at which it's going to be transmitted to other people."

And that's OK.

What should be happening is those that are at risk should remain isolated from other people, leaving those at low risk to continue their lives in a manner that is as close to normal as possible.

Remember the whole "flattening the curve" effort? The curve has been flattened. There is no longer a threat to overwhelming the US healthcare system. The new unstated goal, at least here, seems to be "not one more case." The only people on this planet who have nothing to fear from COVID are those who are already dead. For those that are still alive, it's time to have a come to Jesus moment with yourself and realize that COVID is here to stay. Yeah, it sucks, probably kinda scary, but pretending if we lock down for a few more months the problem will be solved is not a real solution. It's people responding to fear while avoiding reality.

Or maybe I'm wrong. Maybe Trump will give you his vaccine prior to election day. Maybe this whole thing will be over by November 3rd.

#34 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-09-23 02:19 PM | Reply

" the more people in any age group contract the virus, the higher rate at which it's going to be transmitted to other people."

Yep.

Meanwhile, MadBomb is using Republican Math, where you can only get the virus if you've voluntarily put yourself at risk.

#35 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-09-23 02:20 PM | Reply

"What should be happening is those that are at risk should remain isolated from other people"

I'll ask again, as I do every time you bring up this manure: How do I put a crown on my own chipped tooth?

It's like you're being purposely obtuse.

#36 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-09-23 02:21 PM | Reply

Some percent of all infected people die.... pls see:
drudge.com
#24 | POSTED BY CORKY

That's all you have to say? You completely misrepresented the thesis of the article. Which is why RCADE removed the 'Kids Dying,' part of your headline, now isn't it.

Own up to it bub, you earned it.

#37 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-09-23 02:26 PM | Reply

Not only that, but the more people in any age group contract the virus, the higher rate at which it's going to be transmitted to other people.
#29 | POSTED BY JOE

Right. Which is exactly why RCADE removed 'Kids Dying' from CORKY's original headline.

#38 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-09-23 02:27 PM | Reply

"If you keep people from getting infected (which is what I've been preaching), then the number that die will be lower."

So it's a simple statistical interpolation?

I live in Germany, and from my vantage point I don't see Germany as being more restrictive. In the past month I've spent a weekend in Koln and a weekend in Berlin, in addition to a week in Crete. You had to wear a mask while indoors (unless at a restaurant or bar), and while on the train (unless eating or drinking), but otherwise everything seems pretty normal.

Personally, my belief is that the Germans are a much healthier society. As such, they're more likely to be asymptomatic, and so they don't get tested.

#39 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-09-23 02:28 PM | Reply

"BTW did you see the story about the wedding in Maine?"

Yes.

Seven of the eight were in the same care home.

That's another point I've been harping. You can't adequately protect those at risk without isolating both themselves AND their caregivers. And the only way I know how you could do that is by activating military guard and reserve units and charging them with that responsibility. Civilian caregivers inevitably have lives, and those lives will inevitably bring them into contact with potential carriers.

#40 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-09-23 02:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I don't see Germany as being more restrictive."

Did you see the leader of Germany making mitigation a political football? Did she downplay wearing masks, and denigrate anyone who wore one? Did she schittt on Science, and break with her health advisors? Did she hold super-spreader event after super-spreader event?

You're being ridiculous with your definition of "restrictive".

#41 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-09-23 02:33 PM | Reply

"Meanwhile, MadBomb is using Republican Math, where you can only get the virus if you've voluntarily put yourself at risk."

For you, yes, but the seven people who died in the Maine nursing home didn't do that voluntarily. And you can't blame the caregivers either.

You always bring up your need to see a dentist. Your entering argument seems to be that he should somehow isolate himself from the rest of society for your benefit. That's a pretty tall ask for a civilian, and an ask that he or she has no obligation to comply with.

#42 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-09-23 02:33 PM | Reply

"Seven of the eight were in the same care home."

So...did they expose themselves willfully, or not?

#43 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-09-23 02:33 PM | Reply

"I'll ask again, as I do every time you bring up this manure: How do I put a crown on my own chipped tooth?"

You don't.

Or you decide that getting a crown is worth the risk of exposing yourself to COVID. But it's your choice.

#44 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-09-23 02:34 PM | Reply

"Right. Which is exactly why RCADE removed 'Kids Dying' from CORKY's original headline."

He really posted that?

Wow.

#45 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-09-23 02:35 PM | Reply

"So...did they expose themselves willfully, or not?"

You seem to have missed #42.

#46 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-09-23 02:35 PM | Reply

"You always bring up your need to see a dentist. "

Because you always pretend those of us at risk can live life without seeing other people. If you stop lying, I'll stop proving you wrong.

"Your entering argument seems to be that he should somehow isolate himself from the rest of society for your benefit."

No, it's that your precept is horse manure. It's impossible to live life without coming in contact with others.

"an ask that he or she has no obligation to comply with.'

Of course...because recklessly infecting others is somehow an enshrined right. Again...feel free to explain how those seven folks who died exposed themselves willfully.

#47 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-09-23 02:36 PM | Reply

'The seven people who died in the Maine nursing home didn't do that voluntarily."

There goes your talking point.

#48 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-09-23 02:37 PM | Reply

"Or you decide that getting a crown is worth the risk of exposing yourself to COVID. But it's your choice."

Not for a heart attack survivor, dummy.

Broken teeth are possible pathways to the heart and blood systems. The choices are expose myself to possible death, or expose myself to possible death.

#49 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-09-23 02:39 PM | Reply

And that's OK.

No it isnt, you ------- half-wit.

#50 | Posted by JOE at 2020-09-23 02:55 PM | Reply

"Because you always pretend those of us at risk can live life without seeing other people. If you stop lying, I'll stop proving you wrong."

Again, the solution where those at risk are safest is the one where those who take care of you are isolated along side you. And the only way I know how you could legally accomplish that would be through the activation of military guard and reserve units.

Maybe the markets would produce some sort of isolation experience where civilians caregivers would willingly isolate with their patients. Hell, contractors are paid a quarter to a half million dollars a year to go do stuff in places like Afghanistan. I guess that could occur with something like this as well.

"No, it's that your precept is horse manure. It's impossible to live life without coming in contact with others."

OK, but it is possible to create an isolated community where the individuals within that community could live with no risk of infection. Or at least very minimal risk. There would always be some risk, even if it were tangent to zero.

"Of course...because recklessly infecting others is somehow an enshrined right. Again...feel free to explain how those seven folks who died exposed themselves willfully."

Your dentist can't infect you unless you go see him (or her).

#51 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-09-23 03:02 PM | Reply

"There goes your talking point."

Yeah, there are exceptions. If a COVID carrier breaks into your house and gives you COVID, that's not a result of anything you did.

Very similar to dying in an aviation accident when a plane crashes into your house, even after you intentionally avoided flying out of fear of dying in a plane crash.

#52 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-09-23 03:05 PM | Reply

"Your dentist can't infect you unless you go see him"

He also can't put on a crown via Zoom.

#53 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-09-23 03:07 PM | Reply

"Broken teeth are possible pathways to the heart and blood systems. The choices are expose myself to possible death, or expose myself to possible death."

OK.

Then that's a decision that you'll have to make. But I'll hazard a guess that most dentists are not going to place themselves in isolation for the benefit of heart attack survivors for whom dental care may be a critical issue. Right? They're going to hang out with their kids, go on vacations to cool places, basically enjoy life at a level commensurate to what a dentist earns.

This is another reason why activating guard/reserve units makes more sense. You could put them on orders and place them in a secure isolation facility. If you need dental work done, you test, quarantine for 5-14 days, get the procedure, and then go home.

#54 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-09-23 03:10 PM | Reply

"No it isnt, you ------- half-wit."

The quarter-wit calling me a half-wit.

You're sooooo cute.

Boop!

#55 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-09-23 03:11 PM | Reply

Only losers and suckers get Covid-19. I prefer people who don't get sick. Nasty people.

#56 | Posted by moder8 at 2020-09-23 03:18 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

'The seven people who died in the Maine nursing home didn't do that voluntarily."

Herman Cain did it voluntarily.

Voluntaryism teaches us that Herman Cain did what's best for Herman Cain, when he killed himself that way.

#57 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-09-23 03:50 PM | Reply

#56

Could have been Posted by MadTrumper

#58 | Posted by Corky at 2020-09-23 07:52 PM | Reply

dumbassery, rsty?
#7 | POSTED BY CORKY

#59 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-09-23 10:50 PM | Reply

Tell us again how kids are dying of COVID, Corky.

Your comment would have made Trump proud. A total lie...but it should appeal to the base.

#60 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-09-24 12:46 AM | Reply

Do you think kids aren't dying from COVID-19? There's a thread listing cases of people dying and the first three stories are about children.
That's a separate issue from what Corky's headline regarding Wisconsin where no children dying had been reported in conjunction with the very recent increase in infection.

"It's not fair to say that this virus is completely benign in children," said O'Leary. "We've had 90 deaths in children in the US already, in just a few months. Every year we worry about influenza in children, and there are roughly around 100 deaths in children from influenza every year." - August 11, 2020.

www.cnn.com

Let's be grateful, but also not fool ourselves. Especially with the damage this disease does which is nothing like the flu.

#61 | Posted by YAV at 2020-09-24 06:44 AM | Reply

Trump cult is still sharing that 96% of covid deaths had other contributing illnesses. My Dad just posted it again this morning saying something like 'no, 200,000 people haven't died from Covid-19. When will the media start reporting the real numbers?' Along with a meme graphic. There is no getting through to him.

#62 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2020-09-24 08:50 AM | Reply

Did you ask him how many people die from the flu?

#63 | Posted by YAV at 2020-09-24 10:35 AM | Reply

www.healthline.com

"But flu can progress into conditions like pneumonia, or worsen other chronic issues like chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD) and congestive heart failure, which can quickly become life-threatening.

Flu can directly lead to death when the virus triggers severe inflammation in the lungs. When this happens, it can cause rapid respiratory failure because your lungs can't transport enough oxygen into the rest of your body.

The flu can also cause your brain, heart, or muscles to become inflamed. This can lead to sepsis, an emergency condition that can be fatal if not immediately treated.

If you develop a secondary infection while you have the flu, that can also cause your organs to fail. The bacteria from that infection can get into your bloodstream and cause sepsis, as well."

#64 | Posted by YAV at 2020-09-24 10:39 AM | Reply

#63 - I no longer make any effort to contradict my Dad whether in public or in private because Trump followers are a cult who absolutely plug their ears and go 'lalalalalalala'. He gets angry and says I am attacking him, it is all personal in his eyes. Since he never followed politics before I am hopeful that once Trump is gone he will once again go back to being oblivious and not posting absolute bull#$%^ on his facebook.

#65 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2020-09-24 12:22 PM | Reply

headline could say

covid cases among "virtually immune" young people?

#66 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-09-24 12:29 PM | Reply

#65 - I wish that outcome for you, Just.

#67 | Posted by YAV at 2020-09-24 01:36 PM | Reply

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