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Leaked chat logs show Portland-area pro-Trump activists planning and training for violence, sourcing arms and ammunition and even suggesting political assassinations ahead of a series of contentious rallies in the Oregon city, including one scheduled for this weekend.

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they express no clear ideology beyond a hatred of the left, and a preparedness to use violence

So like, most normal people in the US?

#1 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2020-09-23 07:40 PM | Reply

Some folks online are comparing the random armed militia groups in Portland and elsewhere to the rise of insurgency in Iraq.

One issue with that comparison:
unlike Iraq, these doughy guys have no idea what hardship is. People who live in impoverished countries, maybe scrapping together one meal a day, have more toughness and drive than the shift manager of a podunk general store. The second it gets "hard", these cosplayers will retreat home, or be KIA by law enforcement.

#2 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2020-09-23 08:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

these cosplayers will retreat home, or be KIA by law enforcement.

The problem is a lot of those cosplayers are also law enforcement, or are supported by their local LEO's.

Still I agree with your overall point about comparing militia groups in the US to Iraq.

#3 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2020-09-23 08:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So like, most normal people in the US?

#1 | POSTED BY MAO_CONTENT

Don't kid yourself.

Deplorables are not "normal" people.

#4 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-09-23 08:55 PM | Reply

Don't kid yourself.

Deplorables are not "normal" people.

Please don't kick my ass for pointing this out, but I feel like you're about to receive an extremely demoralizing dose of reality in a few weeks time.

Do you know anyone with a Xanax prescription?

Be nice to them.

#5 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2020-09-23 09:06 PM | Reply

So far we just had the one Trump supporter executed. Am I missing anyone?

#6 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2020-09-24 07:39 AM | Reply

But Antifa!

#7 | Posted by danni at 2020-09-24 08:33 AM | Reply

Nazi is the new normal

#8 | Posted by hamburglar at 2020-09-24 08:35 AM | Reply

Please don't kick my ass for pointing this out, but I feel like you're about to receive an extremely demoralizing dose of reality in a few weeks time.
Do you know anyone with a Xanax prescription?
Be nice to them.
#5 | POSTED BY MAO_CONTENT

I can't wait to hear you crying about Trump losing.

At this point, it doesn't even look like Republicans can hold onto the Senate.

#9 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-09-24 12:21 PM | Reply

"The second it gets "hard", these cosplayers will retreat home, or be KIA by law enforcement."

The only question is whether law enforcement will treat them with the same kid gloves as they do with the rioters on the left.

In 2016, Kate Brown appealed to president Obama to deploy Federal Officers to quickly end the standoff at the Malheur Wildlife Refuge after it had been occupied by antigovernment activists led by Cliven Bundy. She also requested that the Federal Government reimburse the state for costs associated with the occupation.

Quite a different position than she took with rioters in Portland in 2020, and the Federal Officers sent their to defend the city. Hell, Portland is still burning. Every single night. And the protesters say they're not backing down until their demands are met.

#10 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-09-24 03:22 PM | Reply

and the Federal Officers sent their to defend the city.

What piece of fiction have you been watching? They were sent there to defend federal property. Get your ---- straight.

#11 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-09-24 03:27 PM | Reply

"same kid gloves as they do with the rioters on the left"

The tear gassing of Lafayette Park kid gloves, or the NYPD driving into a crowd of people kid gloves?

Or the handing out bottles of water to illegally armed insurgents on the right kid gloves...

Or the taking right-wing murder suspects to the drive-thru kid gloves...

Or the still not arresting the right-winger who smashed up the AutoZone in Minneapolis kid gloves...

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-09-24 03:28 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Dealing with protesters not using kids gloves.

#13 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-09-24 04:43 PM | Reply

"Since August 24, the Egyptian state prosecutor's office has filed additional charges against imprisoned journalists Mohamed Salah, Solafa Magdy, and Esraa Abdelfattah, for actions they allegedly committed while in pretrial detention, according to local news reports."

If you're not an American protester, we'll reward a government with F-16s and more tanks for crushing your protests and imprisoning your leaders. And that comes when we have a Peace Prize winning president.

Yes, ---- can get way, way worse.

#14 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-09-24 04:48 PM | Reply

If you're not an American protester, we'll reward a government with F-16s and more tanks for crushing your protests and imprisoning your leaders. And that comes when we have a Peace Prize winning president.
Yes, ---- can get way, way worse.

#14 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

Wow. Is Obama president again? Or its Sitzkrieg have one of those dementia days?

Anything to avoid admitting Trumpers are Neo-Nazis and trying to hurt or kill people.

#15 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-09-24 07:12 PM | Reply

"What piece of fiction have you been watching? They were sent there to defend federal property. Get your ---- straight."

Every rioter pulled off the street is one less that can smash an ATM machine or throw and IED at cops.

#16 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-09-25 01:05 PM | Reply

"Or the handing out bottles of water to illegally armed insurgents on the right kid gloves..."

Illegally armed?

Were they illegally armed according to the cops? Were they throwing IEDs at them?

Maybe the cops would hand out water bottles to rioters, if they weren't rioting.

#17 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-09-25 01:06 PM | Reply

"Were they illegally armed according to the cops?"

According to the law. At least the 17yr old was.

As we've learned, cops do not always equal law.

#18 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-09-25 01:09 PM | Reply

"According to the law. At least the 17yr old was."

So, where do you think the problem lies?

Should the police have carded him?

I assume you're referring to Kyle Rittenhouse? Is it fair to say he'll have his day in court? And if carrying a weapon at age 17 was a crime, it will come up in the hearing?

BTW, I always had guns. From age 11 unit now. Was I committing a crime by using my .410 to go pheasant hunting? If I was, I certainly wasn't aware of it. This was in Idaho...maybe Wisconsin has different laws.

#19 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-09-25 05:07 PM | Reply

" Was I committing a crime by using my .410 to go pheasant hunting?"

It doesn't matter. Rittenhouse WAS committing a crime as a 17yr old carrying a gun in Kenosha. No doubt about it.

#20 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-09-25 05:16 PM | Reply

"So, where do you think the problem lies?"

With the mother driving her underaged, armed son to "defend" some unnamed property without the owner's request.

How about you? See any problem with that?

#21 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-09-25 05:19 PM | Reply

"It doesn't matter. Rittenhouse WAS committing a crime as a 17yr old carrying a gun in Kenosha. No doubt about it."

It kinda does.

I was an 11 year old carrying a single shot .410.

Was I illegal?

#22 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-09-25 05:52 PM | Reply

Kyle was illegally carrying a firearm and violating curfew.

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-09-25 05:58 PM | Reply

"With the mother driving her underaged, armed son to "defend" some unnamed property without the owner's request."

OK?

Was what she did illegal?

"How about you? See any problem with that?"

Does it matter? Whether I agree or disagree is immaterial when it comes to how law is applied.

But since you asked, J. Rosenbaum was a convicted sex offender who had attacked Rittenhouse. He was asking for a round. The other two, that's less clear. It's within the realm of possibility that they may have viewed Rittenhouse as an active shooter and were trying to stop him from killing innocent people. In which case Anthony Huber would have died an unnecessary hero. Gaige Grosskreutz was armed (illegally), but failed to get a round of before getting shot himself. All of them were left-wing activists, which makes it hard to determine if their actions were intended to save lives or attack their adversaries.

#24 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-09-25 06:08 PM | Reply

"Kyle was illegally carrying a firearm and violating curfew."

Fair enough.

He's been arrested.

Not sure what the sentence is for curfew violation and illegally carrying a firearm...but he'll have his day in court.

#25 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-09-25 06:10 PM | Reply

"Was what she did illegal?"

By transporting him to and from the crime scene, she could be an accomplice to whatever crimes he may have committed.

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-09-25 06:10 PM | Reply

"J. Rosenbaum was a convicted sex offender who had attacked Rittenhouse."

You're allowed to attack someone when you're in fear of your life.

There is no Duty to Retreat in Wisconsin.

#27 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-09-25 06:12 PM | Reply

"It's within the realm of possibility that they may have viewed Rittenhouse as an active shooter"

Was he or was he not an active shooter, after shooting a man?

What is in MadBomber's realm of possibility?

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-09-25 06:14 PM | Reply

"All of them were left-wing activists, which makes it hard to determine if their actions were intended to save lives or attack their adversaries."

LOL
That's Kyle.
What were Kyle's actions intended to do, save lives or attack adversaries?

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-09-25 06:21 PM | Reply

"It kinda does."

Nonsense. Not unless you shot somebody. It's not like the cops are going to go after every underage kid taking target practice at the family farm. However you go across state lines, and shoot somebody dead, yeah they're going to look.

So, do you see a problem with his mother arming him and dropping him off across state lines, or not?

#30 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-09-25 07:34 PM | Reply

Having long hair, tie-dye shirts and a couple of Bernie bumperstickers in Portland , I have little fear of these idiots.

The right wing incels were always there... just the orange Adolf has them all pumping thier chests and overconfident.... soon enough they will go back to dungeons and dragons and fantasizing about female companionship.

#31 | Posted by 503jc69 at 2020-09-25 07:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"By transporting him to and from the crime scene, she could be an accomplice to whatever crimes he may have committed."

First, it wasn't a crime scene when she took him there. Second, he tried to turn himself in to the police and they ignored him. It's not like he fled the scene.

#32 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-09-26 11:12 AM | Reply

"You're allowed to attack someone when you're in fear of your life."

Yeah. Which Rittenhouse did after Rosenbaum attacked him.

#33 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-09-26 11:13 AM | Reply

"Was he or was he not an active shooter, after shooting a man? What is in MadBomber's realm of possibility?"

Not insofar as he was attempting to commit mass murder or kill anyone, other than in self-defense.

#34 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-09-26 11:14 AM | Reply

"So, do you see a problem with his mother arming him and dropping him off across state lines, or not?"

I wouldn't have done it. But I wouldn't have encouraged my children to go out rioting either. But if I did do either, I'm only at fault if it's illegal. And I don't think it is. Or if it is I haven't yet heard about it.

It's kinda like the grandma who bought her grandson an armored vest for him to wear while rioting.

#35 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-09-26 11:16 AM | Reply

"Second, he tried to turn himself in to the police and they ignored him. "

I saw that!!! That was amazing.

He obviously wasn't black enough or they would have just shot him on the spot.

#36 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-09-26 11:31 AM | Reply

"First, it wasn't a crime scene when she took him there."

Didn't she transport an illegally possessed weapon across state lines??

At minimum she was aiding and abetting a crime.

That sounds an awful lot like a crime in itself to me.

#37 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-09-26 11:36 AM | Reply

Which Rittenhouse did after Rosenbaum attacked him.

The closest witness said Rosenbaum didn't touch Rittenhouse before Rittenhouse shot him.

#38 | Posted by rcade at 2020-09-26 12:44 PM | Reply

"The closest witness said Rosenbaum didn't touch Rittenhouse before Rittenhouse shot him."

OK.

So you're assertion is that Rittenhouse and Rosenbuam had not had any interactions that Rittenhouse could have perceived as threatening?

This is my understanding of how the events went down. Correct me if I'm wrong. Someone set a fire, which Rittenhouse attempted to use a fire extinguisher to put out. That provoked a violent response from the rioters, including Rosenbaum, who was saying shoot me, n_gga, before chasing Rittenhouse and throwing something at him.

This is my understanding. And if I were a juror, trying to put out a fire set by rioters is not a bad thing. In fact the situation itself kinda justifies why Rittenhouse and other needed to be armed, because they were under threat by the rioters.

Do you have a different understanding?

#39 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-09-26 02:49 PM | Reply

That provoked a violent response from the rioters, including Rosenbaum, who was saying shoot me, n_gga, before chasing Rittenhouse and throwing something at him.

You're being pretty vague when describing this 'provoked violent response.'

What exactly did that entail?

#40 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-09-26 03:06 PM | Reply

"What exactly did that entail?"

This is from wikipedia, FWIW:

The moments of shooting were recorded in cellphone footage from multiple angles.[83] Around 11:45 pm, video footage showed Rittenhouse being pursued across a parking lot. As an unknown person fired a shot nearby, Rosenbaum chased after Rittenhouse, throwing something in his direction, identified in some reports as a plastic bag. According to Kenosha County prosecutors, Rosenbaum tried to take Rittenhouse's rifle from him. Rittenhouse then fired four shots, hitting Rosenbaum in the groin, back, and left hand. The bullets fractured Rosenbaum's pelvis and perforated his right lung and liver. Rosenbaum had additional minor wounds to his left thigh and forehead. Rittenhouse remained near Rosenbaum and made a phone call as a bystander began administering first aid to Rosenbaum. Rittenhouse was heard saying into his cell phone, "I just killed somebody." He then fled.

In another video, Rittenhouse was filmed as he continued to be chased down the street by several other protesters before tripping. According to the criminal complaint, at that point, protesters are heard yelling, "Beat him up!", "Get him! Get that dude!", and "Get his ass". After he fell, one of the men who had been chasing Rittenhouse began to kick and attempt to disarm him, with Rittenhouse firing two shots, missing this man. Another protester, Anthony Huber, next struck Rittenhouse with a skateboard. According to court records and video footage, Huber struck Rittenhouse's shoulder or head/neck area with his skateboard, and tried to grab the rifle. Rittenhouse shot Huber once in the chest, perforating his heart and right lung. Gaige Grosskreutz also approached Rittenhouse; when Huber was shot, Grosskreutz stopped and put his hands up. When Grosskreutz moved again towards Rittenhouse, Rittenhouse shot Grosskreutz in the arm. According to court records, Grosskreutz appeared to be holding a gun. Grosskreutz has acknowledged that he was carrying a gun. Gunshots from other sources can be heard around the same time of Rittenhouse firing his shots from the ground.

Rittenhouse subsequently walked towards police with his hands up and the semi-automatic rifle strapped across his chest; they allowed him to leave or appeared not to acknowledge Rittenhouse, though several witnesses and other protesters shouted for him to be arrested. When asked at a press conference why Rittenhouse was not stopped, Kenosha Sheriff David Beth said, "In situations that are high-stress, you have such incredible tunnel vision" and implied officers may not have realized he had been involved in the shooting. Likewise, Kenosha Police Chief Daniel Miskinis claimed that "there was nothing to suggest this individual was involved in any criminal behavior" due to the fact that someone walking towards the police with their hands up was "no longer abnormal" in the wake of the protests.

#41 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-09-26 03:18 PM | Reply

"Someone set a fire, which Rittenhouse attempted to use a fire extinguisher to put out. That provoked a violent response from the rioters, including Rosenbaum, who was saying shoot me, n_gga, before chasing Rittenhouse and throwing something at him.

This is my understanding."

What's so hard about understanding its murder to shoot a man for throwing something at you?

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-09-26 03:24 PM | Reply

#41 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

So the violence incurred was a plastic bag being thrown at him. Rittenhouse was originally, and officially, threatened by a person throwing a plastic bag.

This is the problem with the laws as they are written specific to self-defense. Why anyone feels it's justified to kill another human being for chasing you, throwing a bag at you, are trying to disarm you (as they perceive YOU to be the threat) is absolutely insane. There wasn't any fog of war, and in all reality, Rittenhouse had no reasonable justification for being in the vicinity in the first place.

This is Zimmerman ---- all over again. You don't want to be accused of murder? Don't step out of the fnkcing truck when it's not your responsibility to do so. You don't want to be accused of murder? Don't insert yourself into a riot zone under the auspice of "protecting strangers' property" when it's not your responsibility to do so. Don't want to be accused of murder? Don't chase down a jogger, guns at the ready, who you perceive as someone that just committed a crime. Don't approach him with gun in hand because he may view YOU as the threat, influencing him to reach for your gun, making you feel justified to pull the trigger.

Some American gun owners are really fnkcing stupid when they insert themselves into dangerous situations, when they had zero responsibility to do so ('My free-dumbs!') only to then expect every other American to respect their perspective as gospel once they end up killing someone as a means of 'self-defense.'

The 'self-defense' mantra is not only a legal protection, for many of these gun owners (recognize the use of 'many' as opposed to 'all', trolls) it's an absolute HOPE!

#43 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-09-26 03:42 PM | Reply

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