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Friday, September 25, 2020

"Everyone had a fear there would be explosive outbreaks of transmission in the schools," Michael Osterholm, director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota, told The Washington Post. "In colleges, there have been. We have to say that, to date, we have not seen those in the younger kids, and that is a really important observation." Researchers at Brown University found extremely low levels of virus transmission over a two-week period in schools that reopened. In many places, the rate of infection in schools was lower than in the rest of the community.

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It's still very early, of course, and opening schools could eventually correlate with significant virus spread. But right now, the idea that it's impossible to reopen schools safely until some undetermined, far off point in the future"perhaps when a vaccine is available"is not holding up. College campuses, on the other hand, have seen some fairly significant outbreaks. This makes sense: College students live and socialize with each other to a greater degree than young kids do, and many administrators were either naive or indifferent to the fact that compliance with extreme social distancing demands were bound to be ignored.

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#1 | Posted by qcp at 2020-09-25 09:55 AM | Reply

Might want to read the article first.

#2 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-09-25 09:58 AM | Reply

It'd be more convincing if they were testing kids regularly or statistically. Right now we know kids are mostly asymptomatic and don't get tested. That means only the secondary infections would be caught (symptomatic ones). Plus we don't do contact tracing in general. Some states, do, however. More on that later.

This article seems to be more of a hope/faith based statement of kids and schools looking for anything that might back up the premise.

We know it can be a HUGE issue:

"Israel had a disastrous experience re-opening schools. The country reopened its schools on May 17 but didn't enforce social distancing. When a heatwave hit, mask wearing was relaxed, air-conditioning was turned on and windows were closed. Cases exploded at one Jerusalem high school - possibly the world's worst school outbreak. From schools, the virus rippled to students' homes. Hundreds of schools were eventually forced to close."

hechingerreport.org (solid reporting, no speculation, no pushing an agenda)

We also know that, with planning and mitigation, it can be done safely. We also have seen disasters here in the U.S. - in states like Texas. Florida's stopped posting information on schools and covid-19, so that information is being suppressed to keep the schools open. States like New Jersey, though, have put in place mitigation, testing, and contract tracing. In school transmission seems to be nearly zero, even with kids and teachers testing positive:
www.nj.com

#3 | Posted by YAV at 2020-09-25 10:31 AM | Reply

@#2 ... Might want to read the article first. ...

I did.

The article, at best, should be tagged as an op-ed.

For example...

... Keep in mind that teachers unions have fought tooth and nail to keep schools closed. Last week, New York City's union successfully pressured Mayor Bill de Blasio to delay reopening schools yet again, even though NYC is one of the areas of the country best equipped, at this point, to manage the pandemic. ...

The reason why the teachers union fought against opening was due to the physical plant of most of the schools not being ready with mitigation procedures. For example, the HVAC equipment in many of the schools was not ready because the fans did not have the power to blow the air through the finer filters required.

Yet the author says, "...even though NYC is one of the areas of the country best equipped..." That is not correct. The author makes no mention of how NYC was best equipped for the schools to reopen, and apparently ignores a reason why they were not.

To me, the article looks more like a hyped-up editorial written by someone cherry-picking information with a disregard for what may actually be occurring.

#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-09-25 10:43 AM | Reply

"We also have seen disasters here in the U.S. - in states like Texas."

You mean NY, where 55k+ died off the bat.

Being in Texas, in Harris County which leads the state in cases, there should be a massive uptick in the homes that sent their young children to school since they've been at it 3 to 5 weeks. It's 50%-50% for my kids classes with half in person and half remote learning. Social distancing, mask use is in force. Desks have been turned into plastic walled cubicles. Lots of mitigating going on. The outbreak just is not happening for Pre-K/Elementary/Middle School.

As the article notes, the outbreaks related to education are mostly in colleges. Texas & NJ younger age education are both enacting the same things in the vast majority of districts, especially the large ones. Both states are having college-age outbreaks. College Towns are the new hotspots as of 2-3 weeks ago.

#5 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-09-25 10:43 AM | Reply

and of course it's an op-ed, it's from Reason. The article it is based on is paywalled and points out the same thing. It's an "anti-lockdown-forever" op-ed, not a "school is perfectly safe with no procedures" article.

#6 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-09-25 10:49 AM | Reply

@#5 ... Lots of mitigating going on. ...

That is the operative phrase.


... The outbreak just is not happening for Pre-K/Elementary/Middle School. ...

That is incorrect.

It is happening.

However, it is happening currently at a low enough level in those schools that have instituted mitigating procedures that the level may be acceptable.

Whether or not the current procedures will be good enough for the long term remains to be seen. We are using our children as test samples.

#7 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-09-25 10:50 AM | Reply

We are using our children as test samples.
#7 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER AT 2020-09-25 10:50 AM | FLAG:

No. I'm using other people's children as test samples. I work from home. I'm not greatly impacted by extreme restrictions. Other people are not so fortunate.

#8 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-09-25 10:58 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If trends continue though mine will he headed back in November.

#9 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-09-25 11:00 AM | Reply

@#8 ... No, I'm using other people's children as test samples. ...

I said "we" not "you."

#10 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-09-25 11:01 AM | Reply

#10 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER AT 2020-09-25 11:01 AM | FLAG:

Are we going to argue the definition of "we"?

50% of "us" "here" are using the "other" 50%'s "kids" as the "test subjects".

#11 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-09-25 11:05 AM | Reply

Kids? The ones who are expected to be asymptomatic?

What of their teachers?

At least 3 teachers have died from Covid-19 complications in recent weeks

www.cnn.com


Republicans have been wanting to destroy public education.

Maybe if we kill off all the teachers...

#12 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-09-25 11:13 AM | Reply

Maybe if we kill off all the teachers...

#12 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2020-09-25 11:13 AM | FLAG:

Professors. How else do we purge the communist infiltration of higher learning?

#13 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-09-25 11:28 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

@#11 ... Are we going to argue the definition of "we"? ...

I don't see a need to argue.

I'd just refer you to a dictionary so you could understand how to use the word appropriately.

#14 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-09-25 11:39 AM | Reply

Covid is a -------- way for certain politicians and policy makers to steer the election in their favor. Nothing more, nothing less.

#15 | Posted by OSHAKHENNESY at 2020-09-25 07:07 PM | Reply

#15 Its not the democrats fault that everyone got to see how incompetent Trump is trying to handle a crisis.

Just hope he's gone before the next crisis gets here.

#16 | Posted by 503jc69 at 2020-09-26 06:11 AM | Reply

Re15

There are many defining moments in a presidency.

It's not what happens on your watch that defines you.

It's how you react to it.

#17 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-09-26 12:16 PM | Reply

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