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Friday, September 25, 2020

Gasoline-powered cars may be going the way of the woolly mammoth, even if it will take decades to replace them and seems hard to fathom today.

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Exxon. A disease by any other name. It's harder to fathom how their industry has been permitted the destruction of this planet.

It's probable that they are genetically predisposed to this. In this regard eugenics sounds like a blessing.

#1 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2020-09-25 01:43 PM | Reply

@#1 ... It's harder to fathom how their industry has been permitted the destruction of this planet. ...

The industry was sold based upon its benefits, rather than its costs.

That said, there were many benefits over the decades for which the costs were worth it.

My current concern, however, is the seemingly endless artificial life support that appears to be in the vogue these past three years or so.


#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-09-25 02:20 PM | Reply

It's over. Son of Superbattery is here. Read about pure silicon batteries - they are just a few months away from production.

Charge your car in minutes. 600 mile range. Smartphones last three days.

#3 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2020-09-25 05:48 PM | Reply

Gasoline powered cars are at the end of their natural life. If you get an Uber in Amsterdam, it will likely be a Tesla.

200 years ago, the west was fueled by wood and whale oil. Wood is still somewhat relevant for heating, but I couldn't tell you where you could buy whale oil if you needed it.

The outliers will be distance transportation, such as ships, trains, semis, and aircraft. I think they will likely rely on fossil fuels for at least the next 50 years.

#4 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-09-25 05:49 PM | Reply

The internal combustion engine is a kluge descended from the steam engine. If brushes and bearings are replaceable an electric motor should outlast the owner.

#5 | Posted by TenMile at 2020-09-25 08:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#4 Methanol can be made with green energy, H20 and C02 so no fossil fuel is required to run ICE or jet turbines on energy dense liquid fuel. Airbus has 3 H2 prototypes with up to 2000 mile range for 200 passengers.

Fossil Fuels can be phased out in 2 decades. It will create lots of jobs and energy production will be local, ending the main source of recent geopolitical threats.

#6 | Posted by bored at 2020-09-25 08:57 PM | Reply

Your favorite conservative here. I'm also an automobile historian and I've written a number of articles that many of you have probably read in magazines. What people don't realize today is that in 1900, the cars on the street were mixed 33% Electric, 33% Gas and 33% Steam. Electric cars are nothing new. The only reason Gas cars took off is because of the electric starter. If someone is able to make an electric car with a even a 500 mile range, they will eventually put gas cars out of existence. The issue now is where will that electricity be generated. As California has proved, under high demand for electricity, there are rolling blackouts. Gas? Coal? Wind? Solar? Nuclear? Where is Ca going to get it's power to recharge the car batteries? Power on a grid is not stored: it's generated and used or generated and no used. Wind and Solar aren't reliable enough. If Gas and Coal are too dirty, that leaves Nuclear and we've not built a Nuclear power plant in the US since 1990. There are no companies in the US who could even built a new one. I ask again, where will we get the power?

#7 | Posted by Rocky_b at 2020-09-25 11:05 PM | Reply

#7

You're full of it, rocky.

en.m.wikipedia.org

#8 | Posted by Willowby at 2020-09-26 12:17 AM | Reply

Willowby, Congrats on finding a mistake. I didn't think they ended up finishing that one. My mistake doesn't diminish my question. As your article states, there were a number being planned and the one that was finished is the first since 1996. I own an electric car. I'm not arguing CA's new direction. In the 24 years since we've built a single reactor, how many have we closed down. Probably more than 1 but I'll let you do the research because you're making my point. If Nuclear power is not going to be used, what will we use to generate all of this power for electric cars? Is this the time when liberals will finally embrace nuclear power? That's what I'm getting at here.

#9 | Posted by Rocky_b at 2020-09-26 10:39 AM | Reply

@#7 ... The issue now is where will that electricity be generated. ...

A similar question was being asked in the US about oil, until shale oil retrieval was discovered.

If there is a need for electricity, it will be provided. Capitalism, you know.

... Power on a grid is not stored ...

Actually, it is stored. A few miles from me is Candlewood lake. The power company created the lake to store power. Overnight when power was abundant, water was pumped up to the lake which was a hundred or so feet higher than the river. During the day when power was needed, the water was released to power generators.

But that's old technology.

The past few years there has been movement toward providing storage in neighborhood settings, even down to the house level.

Power storage is being driven by the significant uptick of wind- and solar-generated electricity.

Nuclear power can work (it has on navy ships for a while), but we need to get away from the "each reactor is a different design" problem and move towards a more modular type of reactor.

#10 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-09-26 11:05 AM | Reply

#6

You're more knowledgable on this stuff than I am. I do know that back when I was flying with the military they were testing something called Fischer-Tropsch fuel.

I flew B-52s. I once calculated that we burned more JP-8 (which is basically Diesel) in a six hour sortie than a diesel powered vehicle would burn if it went through 25 gallons a week for ten years.

#11 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-09-26 11:33 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I hope to keep driving my 2000 Ford SES Taurus until the doors fall off. The after-market stereo with USB works, the A/C works, and the car is pretty much mechanically okay. Statistically, I'll likely be dead before this mandate kicks in, so there's that.

#12 | Posted by john47 at 2020-09-26 01:48 PM | Reply

#11 Finally, I understand your name. First I thought you where a German cop, then an Army officer. Okay, now it all makes sense.

Carry on.

#13 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2020-09-26 02:38 PM | Reply

I am a US military officer, but I live in Germany. And my good friend and neighbor is a Bundespolizei Officer.

Those guys are pretty much badasses. He teaches my daughter Krav Maga.

#14 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-09-26 02:53 PM | Reply

Gasoline powered cars are at the end of their natural life.

#4 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER AT 2020-09-25 05:49 PM | REPLY

It's like some of you have never heard of hybrids before. Internal combustion thermal efficiency is now over 50% in hybrid race cars. It used to be 30-35% not that long ago. It's significantly exceeding the thermal efficiency of power plants except for high end combined-cycle gas-steam plants which can peak at 60%.

The * on this EO. It's not binding in any way, shape, or form. It's a publicity stunt to go with Tesla Battery Day which is an annual pump & dump day, outlining the political will to shovel subsidies into battery cars because Tesla goes bankrupt rapidly without expiring credits.

#15 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-09-26 03:27 PM | Reply

Crony capitalism at its finest, wearing a green cloak of righteousness.

#16 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-09-26 03:28 PM | Reply

Finally a reasonable answer. I hope you're right that someone will come up with a way to produce more power that doesn't involve fossil fuels otherwise an electric car powered by fossil fuel generators kinda defeats the purpose of pushing people to electric cars. I'd love to see the US get back into nuclear power using US companies who have the experience. Maybe we will. And to Sitzrieg, hybrid cars have been around for over 100 years. Check out the Owens Magnetic (en.wikipedia.org).

#17 | Posted by Rocky_b at 2020-09-26 04:33 PM | Reply

And to Sitzrieg, hybrid cars have been around for over 100 years.

#17 | POSTED BY ROCKY_B AT 2020-09-26 04:33 PM | FLAG:

So have battery cars. American Electric is pre-1900. They make sense in niche situations. The problems are not as simple as solving range anxiety though.

#18 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-09-26 05:15 PM | Reply

#9

Sorry, rocky. That just didn't sound right, so I looked it up.

#19 | Posted by willowby at 2020-09-26 05:20 PM | Reply

Another view...

Electrifying California Cars Could Crush the Grid, or Save It
www.bloomberg.com

...Electrifying all new cars in California could be an immense burden on the state's struggling power grid -- or a whole new line of defense against blackouts.

It all depends on the time of day vehicles charge.

Governor Gavin Newsom's executive order this week to phase out sales of new gasoline-powered cars by 2035 could add millions of electric vehicles to roads, driving up power demand as much as 9.5% in the next decade and 25% by 2035, according to estimates.

That could be a nightmare in a state where power supplies can be so tight on summer evenings that officials ordered rolling blackouts last month to prevent the system from collapsing during a heat wave. If millions of cars plug in at sundown, too, the problem may explode.

But think of each of those vehicles as a battery plugged in to the grid at strategic moments, and the picture changes. If they charge in the middle of the day, when California already has more solar energy than it can use, they could feed power back to the grid in the evening, when solar fades and supplies grow tight. Charging them later at night, when wind power peaks, would help, too....


#20 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-09-26 05:21 PM | Reply

"driving up power demand as much as 9.5"

Sounds like PG&E is going to have to defer some maintenance.

Thanks, Capitalism!

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-09-26 06:12 PM | Reply

"The internal combustion engine is a kluge descended from the steam engine."

So much of the world is a kluge descended from the Victorian era and the steam age.

#22 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-09-26 06:15 PM | Reply

#7 | POSTED BY ROCKY_B AT 2020-09-25 11:05 PM

You are right, as my favorite conservative you represent all things hated and reviled such as corrupt authority, Evangelical garbage and bigoted trash of all colors, not just rapacious wealth accumulation and status quo propaganda during a pandemic amid mass poverty while also managing to argue radical ideas such guns in schools are safe, but school lunches are not, etc. You are similarly beloathed and beloved for these and many more horrible facts. What a piece of garbage, thank you!

What's weird is that you guys suggest aborting baby Hitler.. Jesus rolls in his grave.

What was Tesla building that was supposed to provide free energy? Did that have merit only a hundred years ago? So strange that avenue has never been considered the foundation of many conspiracies relating to petroleum and banking.

#23 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2020-09-26 09:11 PM | Reply

#1 - the next time you proclaim your love for capitalism, you will know your answer.

#24 | Posted by kudzu at 2020-09-27 11:11 AM | Reply

not just rapacious wealth accumulation and status quo propaganda during a pandemic amid mass poverty

#23 | POSTED BY REDLIGHTROBOT AT 2020-09-26 09:11 PM | FLAG:

In an electrifying California thread? Really lol? Cali's battery car industry is a petroleum product built on vertical wealth transfer. It's going up, not down. All I have to do to get you to support it is put forward a marginal case it's for-the-greater-good.

#25 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-09-28 09:45 AM | Reply

Electric is the wrong way to go for individual transportation. The world should be converting automobiles to hydrogen.

#26 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2020-09-28 11:19 AM | Reply

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