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Saturday, September 26, 2020

President Trump, after twice declining to commit to a peaceful transition of power, told a 9 p.m. "Make America Great Again" rally in Newport News, Va. that he would only lose if there was "mischief."

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So, once again, Pres Trump asserts that the only way he will lose the election would be if their were something amiss with the voting.


#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-09-26 12:54 PM | Reply

At about 11:00 PM, EST, no matter what state of balloting, Trump will announce victory.

Then all the insects here currently swearing they aren't fascists will cross four of their little legs over their hears and recite the fascist pledge.

#2 | Posted by Zed at 2020-09-26 01:57 PM | Reply

Former Pence adviser: 'It does not' surprise her Trump would't commit to peaceful transfer of power
www.usatoday.com

...A former adviser of Vice President Mike Pence said Friday that "it does not" surprise her that President Donald Trump declined to commit to a peaceful transfer of power if he loses the Nov. 3 election, saying that she was involved in closed door conversations with other officials discussing that scenario....

Hmmm... I am starting to notice a pattern ...

Michael Cohen: I fear' Trump won't peacefully give up the White House if he loses the 2020 election (Feb 2019)
www.cnbc.com

..."I fear that if he loses the election in 2020, that there will never be a peaceful transition of power. And this is why I agreed to appear before you today," Cohen said of Trump....


#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-09-26 03:54 PM | Reply

Trump's a would be dictator. He's got to go, the republicans who support this are traitors to our way of government. God I hate that man and all the fools who love him. He's a curse on everything he touches.

#4 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-09-26 06:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

So, lets think about it for a minute. There is the given that Trump will contest the election, and may even come out the winner. How is his second term going to go if the Dems hold the house and take the senate? It is nearly a forgone conclusion that he is going to cheat to win. If the Dems take the senate do they again go for impeachment and we get Pence? Honest question...

#5 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2020-09-26 06:34 PM | Reply

"If the Dems take the senate..."

One thing's for sure: No more SCOTUS picks for the Racist Pumpkin.

#6 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-09-26 06:42 PM | Reply

IDAHO

I wouldn't get too excited about impeaching Trump with a Dem controlled Senate in 2021. It still takes a 2/3 vote.

#7 | Posted by Twinpac at 2020-09-27 02:25 AM | Reply

I wouldn't get too excited about impeaching Trump with a Dem controlled Senate in 2021. It still takes a 2/3 vote.
#7 | POSTED BY TWINPAC

You can't impeach a president that's in prison or living in the Kremlin.
But you can sure as ---- sue the living eff out of him and seize his assets to pay restitution.

#8 | Posted by a_monson at 2020-09-27 02:57 AM | Reply

MONSON

Scroll up ~~ I'm answering a "what if" question asked by JUSTAGIRL_IDAHO's #5

She asked:

" How is his second term going to go if the Dems hold the house and take the senate?"

"If the Dems take the senate do they again go for impeachment and we get Pence? Serious question."

I answered:

"I wouldn't get too excited about impeaching Trump with a Dem controlled Senate in 2021. It still takes a 2/3 vote."

#9 | Posted by Twinpac at 2020-09-27 03:25 AM | Reply

MONSON

"But you can sure as ---- sue the living eff out of him and seize his assets to pay restitution."

Post presidency? I wouldn't get too excited about that happening either. I'm certain Trump's holdings (heavily leveraged assets) are tied up in a spiderweb of shell companies all traceable back to Trump Org.

I'm not saying it can't be done. I'm saying it could take years to untangle. When I think of "restitution" I think of frozen assets. I think of the IRS, lien holders and a bevy of lawyers waiting to be paid. I think of Trump Tower going into receivership. I think of Trump's licensing agreements being cancelled. I think of Eric and Don Jr. and Jared Kushner struggling to survive their own legal battles.

I don't think in terms of prison. I think is terms of watching Trump's mighty gold plated empire crumble under the weight of his greed and insatiable thirst for power coming home to roost.

#10 | Posted by Twinpac at 2020-09-27 03:58 AM | Reply

I also see the domino affect of Trump's downfall. (post presidency)

I see vendors and creditors demanding payment and refusing to make further deliveries. I see those immigrants he hired at his golf courses for pennies on the dollar demanding back pay and a return of their visas. I see those those oligarchs Trump created with his tax breaks dodging his phone calls.

I see Captains of Wall Street cancelling their memberships in Trump's resorts and refusing to be interviewed. I see Trump's lease payment on his private jet going unpaid.

I see Trump looking out the window at some location known only to his attornies, watching it rain and still not understanding how it all went so wrong. Still thinking, nothing was his fault.

#11 | Posted by Twinpac at 2020-09-27 04:55 AM | Reply

I don't think in terms of prison. I think is terms of watching Trump's mighty gold plated empire crumble under the weight of his greed and insatiable thirst for power coming home to roost.

Because of his campaign finance violation(s), Trump, like his partner in crime, Cohen, will be sentenced to prison. Somewhere near the end of his sentence, NYC and NY State will have revealed Trump's other criminal activities (i.e. money laundering, tax fraud, etc.?) which will bring the feds back into the picture. Trump, not only stands to lose his freedom, he stands to lose his assets. Finally, the Russians will have to gloat and let it be known just what they had on Trump. This will serve notice on the other repubs that they have their claws into that they had better play ball.

If Trump wins and the dems take the senate and keep the house, Trump is facing a bleak future because of NYC and NY State. If it becomes public that Trump has committed NYC or NY State crimes, he's toast. His presidency is over because the HOR will impeach and the Senate will convict.

#12 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2020-09-27 08:04 AM | Reply

The best thing for the country, Democrats AND Republicans, is for Trump to drop dead of natural causes.

His pre-existing conditions catching up with him now will save a lot of better men from dying latter.

#13 | Posted by Zed at 2020-09-27 08:54 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

To be clear, I'm not "excited" about the prospect of another impeachment battle. I was honestly asking how liberals view a second term Trump presidency if Dems control both sides of congress. I haven't seen anyone actually address how they think that goes. Do we get somewhere with the tons of conflicts of interest he has racked up? As a moderate I want both sides held accountable for their actions and Trump has a lot to answer for.

#14 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2020-09-27 12:32 PM | Reply

JUSTAGIRL

" I was honestly asking how liberals view a second term Trump presidency if Dems control both sides of congress. I haven't seen anyone actually address how they think that goes."

I gave you my opinion in #9. The Dems may hold a majority in both houses but it still takes 2/3rds of the Senate to convict. That isn't likely to happen as long as Trump is still president.

#15 | Posted by Twinpac at 2020-09-27 12:56 PM | Reply

how liberals view a second term Trump presidency if Dems control both sides of congress.

If Dems can't get McConnell out, it doesn't matter.

#16 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-09-27 01:05 PM | Reply

How would a 2nd term ------- deal with a Democratically controlled legislator?

Well, first there would be no to few judicial appointments. There would be many, many, many investigations into his administration. His administration would not cooperate with any of them. There would be a lot of noise about that-leading to nothing-no arrests, not contempt of congress. ------- would learn how to veto bills. ------- would do something justifying impeachment. He will be impeached. Senate will hold a real trial, but without the votes, ------- will be a lame duck, playing out his term. The 2020-2021 winter will be devastating due to the cornovirus. ------- will continue to complain about the results of the election and continue to embarrass the US around the world. Sometime in 2021 or 2022 there will be a serious national security issue that ------- will fumble.

Politics will be even uglier than today.

#17 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-09-27 01:06 PM | Reply

"How is his second term going to go if the Dems hold the house and take the senate?"

If that happens, Trump will be impeached, along with Pence.

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-09-27 01:13 PM | Reply

Twin you're still only commenting specifically on impeachment which I couldn't care less. Truth actually took time to think about the full picture which I appreciate. I hope that stronger checks and balances come in to law as a result of the Trump presidency. He's laid bare the current shortcomings. It shouldn't matter which team you're playing for when you're caught cheating.

#19 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2020-09-27 01:13 PM | Reply

Clown - it doesn't really look like McConnell is going to lose his reelection bid, but if Dems take the majority he wouldn't be leader. That's at least a start.

#20 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2020-09-27 01:15 PM | Reply

"I hope that stronger checks and balances come in to law as a result of the Trump presidency."

I don't.

The problem isn't checks and balances.

The problem is the men (and handful of women) in charge of those checks and balances aren't using them.

Exhibit A: Electoral College is a check. The Electors didn't do their job.

Exhibit B: Impeachment is a check. GOP Senators didn't do their job.

(And then there's Exhibit C: Second Amendment is a check. Patriots didn't do their job.)

You can't fix broken people just by passing more laws. You have to render them incapable of harm. This is why we have prisons.

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-09-27 01:20 PM | Reply

Trump will dispute the election, should he lose.

Should he be winning end of election night, there's no dispute to be had, he clearly won.

#22 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-09-27 01:22 PM | Reply

And then there's Exhibit C: Second Amendment is a check. Patriots didn't do their job.

Unfortunately, the vast (vast!) majority of 2nd Amendment "patriots" are Trump supporters.

#23 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-09-27 01:24 PM | Reply

Clown, actually it is the other way around, if Biden is winning on election night, he clearly won. If he isn't winning there is a very good chance he would still win since the mail in votes will be significantly pro democrat.

In either case ------- will dispute the results.

The dispute, therefore, is a forgone conclusion.

Which means, what will Republicans do to assure that the electors will elect -------? My opinion is everything. And that they will come up with some excuse to crown -------.

Right now the likelihood ------- will be president at the end of January is around 95%

#24 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-09-27 01:27 PM | Reply

TRUTH

Thank you. It's really quite easy to understand. As long as Trump is president ~~ whether he survives an impeachment or ends up with both houses of Congress controlled by Democrats ~ his m.o. won't change. He'll still kneecap anybody who gets in his way.

He's on a mission to weaken America and destroy the establishment (democracy). He doesn't take his orders from the Constitution, Congress or the electorate. He takes them from Vladimir Putin.

That's what a "Vote for Trump" will get you in November.

#25 | Posted by Twinpac at 2020-09-27 01:28 PM | Reply

If the republicans retain control of the senate, you will hear a lot of talk about amending the constitution to allow ------- a 3rd term, fortunately that won't go anywhere

#26 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-09-27 01:33 PM | Reply

"you will hear a lot of talk about amending the constitution to allow ------- a 3rd term"

^
That's what the Supreme Court is for.
To just go ahead and give Trump his third term anyway.

#27 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-09-27 01:34 PM | Reply

TRUTH @ #24

Don't you remember the famous election night newspaper headline "Dewey Beats Truman?"

Once bit, twice shy.

Let's just wait until all the states report their certified results before we toot the horns.

#28 | Posted by Twinpac at 2020-09-27 01:41 PM | Reply

That is where the problem arises, look at who is certifying the results.

And what results are they certifying?

This is why ------- is attacking the voting process. So he can justify certifying results without the mail in votes.

Which means this ends up in the courts, which means the SC, which means ------- wins.

#29 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-09-27 01:47 PM | Reply

TRUTH

"And what results are they certifying?"

Everything is digital these days so the computer tabulations are fairly instant. I assume the Secretary of State of each state signs off on the results. The media doesn't seem to have any trouble getting the numbers.

It's hard to know what the Supreme Court will do if Trump files for a hearing. His cases for fraud have been rejected twice for lack of evidence which Trump has never been able to furnish in any way that would affect the outcome of the election. He tries to make mountains our of molehills.

Take it for what it's worth but Trump's nominee may not get confirmed in time. There are 22 members on the Senate Judiciary Committee with a Republican majority 12 to 10. The interviews aren't even scheduled to start until October 12. It's for certain the Repubs will rubber stamp her nomination but the Dems might decide to be a lot more thorough.

#30 | Posted by Twinpac at 2020-09-27 06:39 PM | Reply

Twin, you are missing a HUGE part of the puzzle. Mail-in-voting. Many, if not most of the states, will not have a final tally on the day of election. They will be days, if not weeks, counting these votes. All the while ------- will be claiming victory.

Some background, ------- is expected to have an election day lead, because a. red states will have fewer mail in votes to count and b. in person voting will skew red-because ------- has been claiming in person voting is safe and mail in voting is fraudulent. Democratic voters, who believe in the civic duty of not spreading COVID are more likely to vote by mail, as are younger voters (think college students). It has been reported that African Americans are more likely to vote by mail, especially in areas where in person voting will be difficult due to crowds.

ALL this leads to a situation where in person voting will lean towards -------. This is particularly true in nine(?) battleground states.

So, on election day, ------- will be ahead in the EC, based SOLELY on exit polls and incomplete vote counts and he will push for the states to certify their tallies based on the in person voting.

This is where ------- and the republican's lawsuits come in. They will be out in force in every battleground state raising countless lawsuits claiming fraudulent mail in voting.

So the legislatures, AGs and governors will be in a situation where they have to choose their electors-because they have hard deadlines for this. But what vote tallies do they use? the election day tallies? Partially counted mail in votes? Mail in votes that are being litigated?

So, you very likely will be left with situations where vote tallies are either incomplete, or under litigation (and definitely in dispute if they dont show ------- has won).

So, it will come down to the politics of the states and that ain't in Biden's favor.

#31 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-09-27 06:50 PM | Reply

BTW the results that the media use to decide on a victor of a state or race are a combination of reported results (often on a small or very small fraction of the overall precincts completing their tallies) in combination with exit polling (though exit polling has gone down since 2004-id be happy to discuss WHY that happened).

The media can model how the state will go with some accuracy based on how a few precincts go.

The tallies cannot be certified until the totals are known from all the precincts (or enough that it won't matter).

So, again, with the 10 or 100 fold increase in mail-in voting, far fewer polling stations and polling workers, the job of counting the mail in votes will take a lot longer. Keep in mind, you cant just open 100 envelopes and give a tally since both sides will be interested in assuring the vote is proper and valid-(think Florida hanging chads in 2000). Both sides will be attempting to invalidate opposing votes.

TL DR, ------- will be reelected.

#32 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-09-27 06:55 PM | Reply

Some background, ------- is expected to have an election day lead, because a. red states will have fewer mail in votes to count and b. in person voting will skew red-because ------- has been claiming in person voting is safe and mail in voting is fraudulent. Democratic voters, who believe in the civic duty of not spreading COVID are more likely to vote by mail, as are younger voters (think college students). It has been reported that African Americans are more likely to vote by mail, especially in areas where in person voting will be difficult due to crowds.

It's been amazing to watch this narrative above evolve over the months. Everyone knew it was coming. Custer's Last Stand.

Now, apparently, it's been packaged filtered down to the Keyboard Sturmabteilung as a talking point.

#33 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2020-09-27 06:59 PM | Reply

TRUTH

"The tallies cannot be certified until the totals are known from all the precincts (or enough that it won't matter)."

Yes, that's true. The media has their own war room and keeps tracks of voting, district by district.

I'm not avoiding anything on purpose, Truthy. Vote tabulations are a fairly complicated matter and can differ from state to state especially with so many more people voting absentee these days.

I expect Trump will be making a lot of noise about "winning" but none of that matters. It's the final count that wins the day, at least as far as the popular vote. What Trump is really going to be watching is how popular Biden is the the electoral rich battleground states. That where he's going to aim his attack if he sees an opening.

These are very unusual times, Truthy. We don't know to what extremes Trump will go to invalidate the results if he doesn't win. Which means nobody has all he answers.

#34 | Posted by Twinpac at 2020-09-27 07:39 PM | Reply

How is his second term going to go if the Dems hold the house and take the senate?

#5 | POSTED BY JUSTAGIRL_IDAHO

If Trump and the Republicans are willing to contest a Trump loss of the election, I think it's also fair to assume that they are also prepared to contest a number of Senate races. I certainly hope that the Democrats are even better prepared.

#35 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2020-09-28 02:39 PM | Reply

To add to that.. With proper encouragement, I also think that some segments of Trump supporters are prepared to violently contest results.

#36 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2020-09-28 02:43 PM | Reply

trump talks a big game but he's full of blabber and flapdoodle.

www.youtube.com

#37 | Posted by uncle_meat at 2020-09-28 09:32 PM | Reply

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