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Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Tuesday, September 29, 2020

President Donald Trump and Democratic nominee for president Joe Biden will face off from a social distance in the first presidential debate of 2020 on Tuesday night in Cleveland, just five weeks out from Election Day. The first presidential debate at Case Western Reserve University and the Cleveland Clinic comes on the heels of bombshell reporting from The New York Times on two decades of Trump's tax records, ahead of a contentious Supreme Court confirmation process in the Senate and as the latest ABC News/Washington Post poll shows Biden maintains a 10-point edge among both registered and likely voters.

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The 90-minute debate will air commercial-free from 9 to 10:30 p.m. ET on ABC and stream on ABC News Live.

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Oh, is that tonight?

#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-09-29 08:52 PM | Reply

Just don't "drink!" every time Trump lies... you'll regret it in the morning.

#2 | Posted by Corky at 2020-09-29 08:52 PM | Reply

Is there any way to watch this one through the filter of fun commentators who are also watching? I watched Matt Taibbi and Katie Halper watch one of the Dem Primaries and appreciated their increasingly drunken banter.

#3 | Posted by hamburglar at 2020-09-29 08:59 PM | Reply

Trump family looks like they are auditioning for a Kardashian spin-off series.

#4 | Posted by Corky at 2020-09-29 09:02 PM | Reply

I predict a farce.

#5 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-09-29 09:04 PM | Reply

softball question 1

#6 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-09-29 09:07 PM | Reply

Has Pres Trump mentioned his friend Jim yet?

#7 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-09-29 09:12 PM | Reply

Trump can't shut up to even let a question be asked.

#8 | Posted by cbob at 2020-09-29 09:15 PM | Reply

Is that Roger Stone debating Batman?

#9 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-09-29 09:16 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

------- is a piece of ----

#10 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-09-29 09:16 PM | Reply

someone put a diaper in that --------- mouth

#11 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-09-29 09:18 PM | Reply

Wallace and Biden have already lost control of this. Brilliant.

#12 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2020-09-29 09:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

------- is an embarrassment

#13 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-09-29 09:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I cut the individual mandate

It is too expensive.

what an -------

#14 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-09-29 09:20 PM | Reply

" Would you shut up man."

#15 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2020-09-29 09:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Biden tells him to "Just Shut Up Man"

#16 | Posted by Just_Joe at 2020-09-29 09:22 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

Trump's health care plan is invisible.

#17 | Posted by Corky at 2020-09-29 09:22 PM | Reply

Trump is an absolute piece of trash.

And his trashy followers will eat it all up.

#18 | Posted by jpw at 2020-09-29 09:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Get out of your bunker and get out of your sand trap and get into the White House and do your job!"

LOL

And the response:

"If you were in the White House it would have been worse nah nah nah nah nah"

#19 | Posted by jpw at 2020-09-29 09:25 PM | Reply

2 million hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

#20 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-09-29 09:25 PM | Reply

Mr. -------, the virus came into America from Europe, which you didnt close until mid March.

#21 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-09-29 09:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

------- is a whiny bitch.

#22 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-09-29 09:26 PM | Reply

Herman Cain

#23 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-09-29 09:27 PM | Reply

" Get out of your bunker and get out of your sand trap and get into the White House and do your job!"

LOL

#19 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2020-09-29 09:25 PM | REPLY

Joe had been working on that. Well done!

#24 | Posted by cbob at 2020-09-29 09:28 PM | Reply

Jonathan King - Everyone's Gone To The Moon
www.youtube.com

~ ... hands full of money, all in debt...~

#25 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-09-29 09:29 PM | Reply

Well, this is a Trump-induced schitshow. Just the way Trump likes/wants it.

Sniff!

#27 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-09-29 09:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Watching Biden, I've just come to the realization that Trump is going to win again.

#26 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Because you're a gullible ------ who was going to reach that conclusion anyway.

#28 | Posted by jpw at 2020-09-29 09:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 12

Yap, yap, yap. Let's call him The Yapper.

#29 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-09-29 09:30 PM | Reply

Hope it gets better Gal

#30 | Posted by Just_Joe at 2020-09-29 09:31 PM | Reply

Don't ever use the word "Smart" with me Joe

#31 | Posted by Just_Joe at 2020-09-29 09:31 PM | Reply

Bragging about his smarts, how presidential!

#32 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-09-29 09:32 PM | Reply

He is twisting in the wind.

#33 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2020-09-29 09:32 PM | Reply

Trump: I gots the biggest dick, see! Yours is miniscule. Nah, nah, nah, nah!

#34 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-09-29 09:33 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

Do you think that Chris Wallace is thinking that he did not ask for enough money to moderate this?

#35 | Posted by Just_Joe at 2020-09-29 09:34 PM | Reply

Democrats are bad, said the president, who represents 1/3 of the country.

#36 | Posted by cbob at 2020-09-29 09:34 PM | Reply

The Yankees just put it completely out of reach.

#37 | Posted by Angrydad at 2020-09-29 09:34 PM | Reply

Biden talks about covid response.
Trump talks about college names.

#38 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2020-09-29 09:34 PM | Reply

"Hope it gets better Gal"

It won't. Trump doesn't want it to. If it stays a ----- show, Trump thinks he wins by not losing.

#39 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-09-29 09:35 PM | Reply

Trump: a mask is a sign of lack of masculinity,

what a selfish -----

#40 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-09-29 09:35 PM | Reply

OK, I'm starting to watch the debate.

I'm recording it, so I am a few minutes behind the current reality.

In my time here, it is now 9:07EDT, TiVo time.

Pres Trump has said that the Supreme Court nominee is respected by all. Then he starts babbling.

#41 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-09-29 09:36 PM | Reply

Bwahahaha 3 people

#42 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2020-09-29 09:36 PM | Reply

Herman Cain went to a ------- rally and he died.

#43 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-09-29 09:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

What a train wreck. Chris Wallace should just walk away.

#44 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2020-09-29 09:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Herman Cain went to a ------- rally and he died.

#45 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-09-29 09:37 PM | Reply

#28 | Posted by jpw

You don't s'possed t' be callin' nobody no "------" there, bub.

#46 | Posted by Angrydad at 2020-09-29 09:37 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Chris Wallace is useless in shutting Trump up.

#47 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-09-29 09:38 PM | Reply

9:09EDT TiVo time

Mr Biden wanders more than a bit in his answer.

#48 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-09-29 09:38 PM | Reply

Trump beshats himself and bozo goes crazy, 'he gonna win, he gonna win'.

#49 | Posted by kudzu at 2020-09-29 09:40 PM | Reply

Wait wat?? Trump is now a billionaire again?

#50 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2020-09-29 09:40 PM | Reply

You're watching the wrong debate.

#52 | Posted by kudzu at 2020-09-29 09:41 PM | Reply

9:11EDT TiVo time...

Wow, open session starts.

Pres Trump tries but is not able to counter Mr Biden.

Kudos to Mr Wallace as he tries to reign in this mess.

I have to ask ... why doesn't Pres Trump allow anyone else to speak?

Why does Pres Trump seem to want anyone to ask a question that makes Pres Trump answer?

#53 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-09-29 09:42 PM | Reply

"I brought back Football, People in Ohio are proud of me". PS : Bengals SUCK

#54 | Posted by Just_Joe at 2020-09-29 09:43 PM | Reply

I brought back football! 200,000 plus people are dead, but I brought back football!

#55 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-09-29 09:43 PM | Reply

Drugs are like water?

Wow, Pres Trump may be thinking he is benefiting himself.

His obnoxious behavior runs counter to that.

#56 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-09-29 09:44 PM | Reply

Trump may actually be mentally retarded.

#57 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2020-09-29 09:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Lolol the Trump tax code?

#58 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2020-09-29 09:45 PM | Reply

TiVo time 9:17EDT

Pres Trump is losing it big time.

#59 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-09-29 09:45 PM | Reply

Joe does well when he looks into the camera and talks directly to the American people.

#60 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-09-29 09:46 PM | Reply

True dat:

Rick Wilson
@TheRickWilson

25m
Trump is like a rabid dog

#61 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-09-29 09:46 PM | Reply

Wow cho bitem gonna make everything here.

#62 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2020-09-29 09:47 PM | Reply

Yep:

Claude Taylor
@TrueFactsStated

12m
Joe needs to say "at least I pay my taxes". A dozen times.

#63 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-09-29 09:48 PM | Reply

I so badly want to see this but I'm stuck in the goddamn jungle watching kickball re-runs.....

Feed me with impressions

#64 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2020-09-29 09:49 PM | Reply

I'm the guy. I'm the guy... Lol
Did Obama do nothing?

#65 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2020-09-29 09:49 PM | Reply

Pres Trump: "Obamacare is no good. We took it away."

Wow.

I am having super respect for Mr Wallace trying to reign in this mess.


I'm going over to tunes.

Pres Trump may have accomplished his goal in trying to draw the debate to a low level.

But I gotta ask, is this how we want to choose our leaders....

#66 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-09-29 09:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

This is not a debate. This is a colossal waste of time.

#67 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-09-29 09:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I can't watch.

On a scale of 1 to 10...how absurd has it gotten?

#68 | Posted by Angrydad at 2020-09-29 09:51 PM | Reply

How many copyrights did Ivanka get from Gina

#69 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-09-29 09:52 PM | Reply

Trumpsters are loving this! They think that this cluster F*&* is a good thing for America.

#70 | Posted by Just_Joe at 2020-09-29 09:52 PM | Reply

All sound and fury signifying nothing. That's what we have here. No one can follow anything that is being said.

#71 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-09-29 09:52 PM | Reply

infinty

#72 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-09-29 09:52 PM | Reply

Trump is such a whiny baby.

#73 | Posted by cbob at 2020-09-29 09:53 PM | Reply

Trump: Can I be honest?

Biden: Try to be honest.

#74 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-09-29 09:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Trump is such an lying -------.

#75 | Posted by Corky at 2020-09-29 09:53 PM | Reply

It's 2 old geezers debating which pudding is best at the local nursing home.

#76 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-09-29 09:53 PM | Reply

Trump:Can I be honest?

Wallace: The answer is NO

Now that is funny

#77 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-09-29 09:53 PM | Reply

One of the benefits of this slug fest is showing how much of a bully that the President is!

#78 | Posted by Just_Joe at 2020-09-29 09:54 PM | Reply

Trump thinks he is demonstrating how smart, strong and competent he is.

Larry Sabato
@LarrySabato

19m
Person, woman, man, camera, tv, cut the mic! This "debate" is a chaotic mess.

#79 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-09-29 09:54 PM | Reply

This is not a debate. This is a colossal waste of time.

You're a smart and cute liberal.

Please tell me why.

I need information....I need to know what's happening.

#80 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2020-09-29 09:56 PM | Reply

#76 | Posted by LauraMohr

GFY, Laura.

Idiots like you are why we are where we are.

#81 | Posted by Angrydad at 2020-09-29 09:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Did we ever figure out who Mao Content was in a previous life?

#82 | Posted by Just_Joe at 2020-09-29 09:57 PM | Reply

Law and order cho! Lol

#83 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2020-09-29 09:58 PM | Reply

Rick Wilson @TheRickWilson

Trump fans will view his lunatic jabbering and sweaty mania as a win. But then again, they believe shooting bleach in their asses cures COVID.

#84 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-09-29 09:58 PM | Reply

#82 | Posted by Just_Joe

A giant ----.

#85 | Posted by Angrydad at 2020-09-29 09:58 PM | Reply

#82

Dezi Arnez.

#86 | Posted by Corky at 2020-09-29 09:58 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

GFY, Laura.
Idiots like you are why we are where we are.

#81 | POSTED BY ANGRYDAD AT 2020-09-29 09:56 PM | REPLY | FLAG

Yep always blaming everyone but Hillary. KMA Honey.

#87 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-09-29 10:00 PM | Reply

Agreed:

Joe Scarborough @JoeNBC

This is a colossal waste of the American people's time. If they are not going to cut his mic so we can have an exchange of ideas, then Biden should not attend any more debates,

#88 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-09-29 10:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Keep blaming Hillary when your trans rights are taken away. Cold comfort that should be.

#89 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-09-29 10:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

# 88:

I just said that to my wife. The only way to watch another one of these is to turn off his microphone .

#91 | Posted by Just_Joe at 2020-09-29 10:02 PM | Reply

@#0 ... I need information....I need to know what's happening. ...

I agree.

But based upon what I've seen so far, you have already been given so much information about Pres Trump and Mr Biden.

Will the Pres Trump's squabbling in the debate really change that?

Really.

#92 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-09-29 10:02 PM | Reply

Ezra Klein @ezraklein

Trump is forcing an unwatchable debate, in which he plays the heel so Biden can't get in a full answer, in an election where he's down 10 points. It's an insane strategy.

Gabriel Debenedetti @gdebenedetti

multiple Dems have texted, unprompted, on this point in the last few mins. Says one: "You know what suburban women love? A bully who is constantly interrupting."

#93 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-09-29 10:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Keep blaming Hillary when your trans rights are taken away. Cold comfort that should be.

POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2020-09-29 10:00 PM | REPLY

The Supreme Court already affired my rights sweetie. Now go cry me a river.

#94 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-09-29 10:03 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Its a brave new world Laura.

#95 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-09-29 10:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#89 | Posted by truthhurts

Couldn't shake the male "boaz" type of primitive stupidity.

#96 | Posted by Angrydad at 2020-09-29 10:04 PM | Reply

#90:

That certainly escalated quickly. I presume that Trump is your hero?

#97 | Posted by Just_Joe at 2020-09-29 10:05 PM | Reply

Bada bing:

He wouldn't know a suburb unless he took a wrong turn.

#98 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-09-29 10:06 PM | Reply

Trump looks sweaty and tired.

#99 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2020-09-29 10:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

level.medium.com

The problem for the Democratic party, if it's to survive, is that it needs to get us leftmost skeptics back at the polls. To fall back once again on the canard that those of us feeling the worst of America's oppression should vote in favor of the greater good is a losing effort. For Black nonvoters and voting skeptics, there is no longer a greater good; in fact, there never really has been.

#100 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-09-29 10:07 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Law and order for 30 minutes...we are screwed mates....what about energy or nuclear arms???

#101 | Posted by mutant at 2020-09-29 10:07 PM | Reply

@#90 ... I've been posting on this website since 2003, ----------. ...

I never really cared.

But based upon your comment, I checked.

Here is what I saw...


Mao_Content

Chewpa Miverga

Seniority: 278

Contact User
No Home Page

Joined 2019/02/20
Visited 2020/09/29


So, the Mao_Content alias joined the site in Feb 2019.

Yet you obnoxiously say you have been posting since 2003.

Are you saying the site's records for when you joined are incorrect?

#102 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-09-29 10:08 PM | Reply

#90:
That certainly escalated quickly. I presume that Trump is your hero?

#97 | POSTED BY JUST_JOE

I had to pause the debate cause i couldn't stop laughing.

Take a look at my posting history.

WRT Laura, she was a vocal anti-hillary person in 2016, despite being a democrat. Laura is transgender. Laura will rue the day when the SC strikes down trans protections.

So a little history will explain why it appeared to go south so fast.

#103 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-09-29 10:08 PM | Reply

"The Supreme Court already affired my rights sweetie. "

And the new one can, and will, take them away. Barrett has already denigrated Stare Decisis.

#104 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-09-29 10:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Yet you obnoxiously say you have been posting since 2003.
Are you saying the site's records for when you joined are incorrect?
POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER AT 2020-09-29 10:08 PM | REPLY

He's telling the truth. I was here in 2004 and he was posting then.

#105 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-09-29 10:09 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#100 | Posted by LauraMohr

That's some pretty serious gymnastics fer yer reportedly giant ass.

#106 | Posted by Angrydad at 2020-09-29 10:10 PM | Reply

@#93 ... Trump is forcing an unwatchable debate, ...

Yup.

But that still does not answer my concern for what happens in a meeting of Pres Trump and Pres Putin in a one-on-one meeting.

What happens there?

#107 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-09-29 10:10 PM | Reply

Dam right! Tell um! Its the left nuts . lol

#108 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2020-09-29 10:10 PM | Reply

------- pulls his pants down and takes it up the ass.

#109 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-09-29 10:11 PM | Reply

Honestly... any minute now... I expect them to start swatting each other with their canes... this is sad... sad... sad...
4 years ago when people were ragging on me for saying we need younger candidates... well...this is why... they both look addlebrained and old... it's painful to watch.

This should be a Rubio / Harris debate... not this $#it $#ow.

#110 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2020-09-29 10:11 PM | Reply

This is the cluster ##k of the year.

#111 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2020-09-29 10:15 PM | Reply

nbsp

@#105 ... He's telling the truth. I was here in 2004 and he was posting then. ...

I may not disagree.

I just want to see statements that do not have an inherent disagreement.

If he were here back when he said he was, why doesn't the site's info substantiate that?

#112 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-09-29 10:15 PM | Reply

What a gotdam shame.

#113 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2020-09-29 10:16 PM | Reply

He takes care of the suckers and losers?

#114 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-09-29 10:16 PM | Reply

------- should fellate McConnell for the judges

#115 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-09-29 10:17 PM | Reply

I may not disagree.
I just want to see statements that do not have an inherent disagreement.
If he were here back when he said he was, why doesn't the site's info substantiate that?
POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER AT 2020-09-29 10:15 PM | REPLY

His handle back then was Mao Tse Dung. Different handle same poster.

#116 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-09-29 10:18 PM | Reply

Who the hell could rake hundreds of square miles of forests?
Someone get the hook!

#117 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2020-09-29 10:19 PM | Reply

lamplighter- there were no registered accounts in 2003. That started in 2004.

Mao was here in 2003. So was I.

#118 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2020-09-29 10:20 PM | Reply

The California Fires are on FEDERAL LAND.

#119 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-09-29 10:23 PM | Reply

Did the fool tell the proud boys to "stand by"?

#120 | Posted by The_Finn at 2020-09-29 10:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

@#111 ... This is the cluster ##k of the year. ...

Yup.

Now think about Pres Trump and Pres Putin meeting in Helsinki without aides..

Coming out of that meeting, Pres Trump looks like this...

www.gannett-cdn.com

Based upon that picture, do you think Pres Putin or Pres Trump came out ahead?

Pres Trump (i.e., the united States) looks like he is a teenager who was just chastised.

#121 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-09-29 10:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Did the fool tell the proud boys to "stand by"?

#120 | POSTED BY THE_FINN

Yes

#122 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-09-29 10:26 PM | Reply

China needs soybeans Brazil wants to give them soybeans so Trumpibunkerboi wants to tariff soybeans and subsidize farmers in the meantime.

China is the world's factory

#123 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2020-09-29 10:26 PM | Reply

Trump is proving he is an ass.

#124 | Posted by bat4255 at 2020-09-29 10:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Strong finish by Biden.

#125 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-09-29 10:30 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

@#116 ... His handle back then was Mao Tse Dung. Different handle same poster.

The site records do not tell me that.

But to my point, I look mostly at the content of the comment rather than the poster. That's why your comment caught my curiosity.

So if a poster has had some manner of a past that they want to disavow, I really do not care. ( rcade may be of a differing opinion, btw... :) )

I try to focus on the comments, not the alias posting them.

But that's me...

#127 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-09-29 10:31 PM | Reply

Strong finish by Biden.

Craft Time?

#128 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2020-09-29 10:31 PM | Reply

"We caught 'em. We caught 'em all."

Trump finishes like a paranoid nutjob who doesn't know how to finish a complete thought without going off on a tangent that most people watching don't know what the hell he is talking about.

#129 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-09-29 10:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"This is not going to end well," Trump said.

Yeah, for you, clown.

#130 | Posted by cbob at 2020-09-29 10:34 PM | Reply

Whiny
Little
Bitch

#131 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-09-29 10:34 PM | Reply

Listen carefully to what ------- is saying, that will be the story through january 2021

#133 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-09-29 10:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I guess we shouldn't be surprised that rwingers are impressed by bullies... they swoon for authoritarian daddies to spank their supposed enemies... their fellow Americans.

#134 | Posted by Corky at 2020-09-29 10:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

We're going to create a vaccine for a new virus in six months... but we can't sort ballots? That is the kind of reasoning that makes republicl0wns look stupid... like they are.

#135 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2020-09-29 10:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

Mail in ballets from civil time?

#136 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2020-09-29 10:38 PM | Reply

Mail in ballets from civil time?

#137 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2020-09-29 10:38 PM | Reply

JHC: I need a nap after listening to this whinny POS.

#138 | Posted by Just_Joe at 2020-09-29 10:38 PM | Reply

#26 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Because you're a gullible ------ who was going to reach that conclusion anyway.

#28 | Posted by jpw

Sorry, shouldn't have called you a ------.

But you're not kidding anybody that you were still drawing a conclusion before this debate.

#139 | Posted by jpw at 2020-09-29 10:39 PM | Reply

Mike Wallace deserves a drink after that.

#140 | Posted by patron at 2020-09-29 10:41 PM | Reply

"Decorum and decency"... two of millions of words not in Trump's vocabulary.

#141 | Posted by Corky at 2020-09-29 10:41 PM | Reply

@#132 ... Joe needs a nap ...

Not really.

The real question I see is --- why doesn't Pres Trump want to participate in a real debate?

And how do I extrapolate Pres Trump's behavior in this "debate" to the time when he and Pres Putin were in a room together?

Please answer that.

#142 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-09-29 10:42 PM | Reply

Good God, that was exhausting to watch.

#143 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-09-29 10:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump refused to condemn white supremacists or commit to waiting for the votes to be counted before declaring victory.

#144 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2020-09-29 10:43 PM | Reply

"Mike Wallace deserves a drink after that."

They'll have to pry open the casket first.

#145 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-09-29 10:43 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

@#140 ... Mike Wallace deserves a drink after that. ...

More than a drink.

Maybe a morphine drip.


#146 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-09-29 10:44 PM | Reply

The Fake President failed to impress anyone tonight. When Biden called him a clown, that resonated well with me.

#147 | Posted by Jaspar at 2020-09-29 10:44 PM | Reply

Biden actually look good tonite,

#148 | Posted by patron at 2020-09-29 10:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

------- will declare victory on Nov. 3rd.

The mail in votes will show Biden won the election.

------- will file countless lawsuits over the ballots.

The lawsuits will go to the SC.

THe SC will crown ------- king.

You read it here first.

#149 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-09-29 10:45 PM | Reply

Nobody would blame Mike Wallace if he went on a bender after that debacle.

#150 | Posted by Jaspar at 2020-09-29 10:45 PM | Reply

Jake Tapper: that was a hot mess inside a dumpster fire inside a train wreck. It was the worst debate I've ever seen, and it was because of President Trump

twitter.com

#151 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-09-29 10:46 PM | Reply

Wallace waited until late in the debate to remind Trump that he had agreed not interrupt... but only did that once since it didn't help anyway.

... lol... Trump's son says he was interrupting because he's a "fighter" aka -------.

He also just accused Biden of "getting away with murder".

While denying that his daddy just told the Proud Boys to "stand by".

#152 | Posted by Corky at 2020-09-29 10:47 PM | Reply

@#143 ... Good God, that was exhausting to watch. ...

Yes.

But exhausting may not be the word I would use.

The incumbent always has the advantage in any debate.

Pres Trump has tried to take advantage of that edge becuase he has implicitly admitted that the incumbency edge is all he has.


Did his gambit work?


#153 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-09-29 10:48 PM | Reply

I hope the American people, who care about things like Covid 19, health care, the economy, SC judges, see this debate for what it was: Trump showing his total contempt for them and the issues they care.

#154 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-09-29 10:50 PM | Reply

Trump played the victim the entire debate.

Do we want to elect a "victim" for POTUS?

#155 | Posted by horstngraben at 2020-09-29 10:51 PM | Reply

All Trump has ever has to do to impress his Base is to bluster and boast; they think that means he's standing up for them. R

Problem is his Base isn't enough to re-elect him.

Which is why Joe is leading by 10 in the polls.

#156 | Posted by Corky at 2020-09-29 10:52 PM | Reply

Harris just noted that Trump denigrated the Office of the Pres tonight... just like he does every day.

#157 | Posted by Corky at 2020-09-29 10:54 PM | Reply

Steve Schmidt @SteveSchmidtSES

Trump's stooges will lie to him and tell him he won. His cult may be ecstatic as they celebrate his unhinged behavior, lying, lack of control and facial contortions. His Presidency is over. We will vote him out. He is crazy, paranoid and unfit. Trump is incoherent. He is a liar

#158 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-09-29 10:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Steve Schmidt @SteveSchmidtSES

This debate is a disgrace. What an embarrassment to the United States of America. Trump's conduct and comportment are an outrage. He is a blustering, lying, bullying and incompetent fool.

#159 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-09-29 10:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

48 - 41 Joe won according to CBS Instant Poll

83 percent called the debate Negative

#160 | Posted by Corky at 2020-09-29 10:58 PM | Reply

After watching that debate it was like, WTF was that?? WTF is wrong with him?

Let's call it the Trump rule, you know, for his ego; where in the two minutes answer period... SHUT OFF THE ------ MICROPHONE when it's not his turn to speak.

All in favor, mail in your ballot.

#161 | Posted by LiquidCake at 2020-09-29 10:58 PM | Reply

To those suburban soccer moms, who are turning away from Trump in droves, Trump will likely look like an out of control toddler who needed a time out.

#163 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-09-29 11:00 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

If he were here back when he said he was, why doesn't the site's info substantiate that?

#112 | Posted by LampLighter

He posted as jak_se_mao back in the day.

#164 | Posted by jpw at 2020-09-29 11:01 PM | Reply

#161

Joe should insist on it for the next debate.

I was waiting for Donald sneak around behind Joe like he did Hillary... hoping Joe would clock him.

That might even get him some red votes.

#165 | Posted by Corky at 2020-09-29 11:01 PM | Reply

Jon Meacham @jmeacham

No hyperbole: The incumbent's behavior this evening is the lowest moment in the history of the presidency since Andrew Johnson's racist state papers.

#166 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-09-29 11:03 PM | Reply

No sane human could possibly want that trump piece of ---- for another four years. What a complete disgrace that trump thing is.

This may work with his base in some ways, but there's no way this convinced anyone Trump should be given another term.

Trump came across as a psychopath.

Wow.

#167 | Posted by YAV at 2020-09-29 11:04 PM | Reply

Joe Scarborough @JoeNBC

This is a disgrace, a low point in American debate history. There is no reason, not one, that Joe Biden should participate in another debate.

#168 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-09-29 11:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If there is another debate a big thick clear tube of plastic needs to be lowered over Trump when his time is over.

#169 | Posted by YAV at 2020-09-29 11:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Only 6 percent of viewers were undecided when they tuned in... most all who watched were "disgusted".

#170 | Posted by Corky at 2020-09-29 11:07 PM | Reply

#169

It could be like a mushroom shaped condom. (per Stormy)

#171 | Posted by Corky at 2020-09-29 11:09 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

There is no reason, not one, that Joe Biden should participate in another debate.

#168 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday

That's probably the point.

#172 | Posted by jpw at 2020-09-29 11:10 PM | Reply

I am surprised that mental health workers were not allowed in shortly after the "debate" began to cart Trump off to the sanitarium. He is nuts! A bully and a disgrace. A person would really have to hate America to vote for Trump in the election.

#173 | Posted by moder8 at 2020-09-29 11:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

@#164 ... He posted as jak_se_mao back in the day. ...

If that is correct, then the ~mao_content` alias is apparently ashamed of what the person behind the alias has posted in the past.

I would not be surprised about that.

#174 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-09-29 11:11 PM | Reply

... There is no reason, not one, that Joe Biden should participate in another debate. ...

So... Pres Trump has accomplished his goal.

#175 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-09-29 11:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

After that performance, Amy Coney Barrett, who claims to be a woman of religion, reason and conscience, should be embarrassed to be nominated by that crazy, paranoid, malignant narcissist.

#176 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-09-29 11:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I'm just glad we are going to see the MILLIONS of dollars Trump paid in personal income taxes in 2016 and 2017.

Of course, his people are now saying he is referring to all the kinds of taxes his bidnesses pay.

#177 | Posted by Corky at 2020-09-29 11:15 PM | Reply

#175

Not so sure about that, though it would normally be the case for an incumbent.

But he's the one behind at the moment.

#178 | Posted by Corky at 2020-09-29 11:17 PM | Reply

If that is correct, then the ~mao_content` alias is apparently ashamed of what the person behind the alias has posted in the past.
I would not be surprised about that.
POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER AT 2020-09-29 11:11 PM | REPLY

Wrong. He started out as Mao tse Dung then was banned then he came back under Jak Se Mao then was banned again Now he posts as Mao Content and apparently RCADE gave him a repriev.

#179 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-09-29 11:18 PM | Reply

Michael Beschloss @BeschlossDC

Democracy was trashed tonight by a President who ran roughshod over the rules, refused to condemn white supremacists and would not tolerate any form of dissent"a harbinger of what a second term might be like.

#180 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-09-29 11:18 PM | Reply

Well now... the comedy writers are laughing all the way to the bank... another week of scripts written for them.

#181 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2020-09-29 11:20 PM | Reply

btw... Gal, Seniority #4, was here along with Mao or Jak se Dung, I forget which was first, when I joined.

He picked on me mercilessly... I was new to this, to writing anything really in recent years then, and Gal would kick him to the curb for me while I learned. Which is where I got my sometimes bad attitude, from Mao.

Gal is the Gold Standard here as far as I'm concerned.

#182 | Posted by Corky at 2020-09-29 11:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"The Proud Boys on Telegram have now posted an image with its logo and Trump's remark."

twitter.com

#183 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-09-29 11:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Ah, thanks Corky.

#184 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-09-29 11:27 PM | Reply

Trump made Biden the only viable choice for President by being an insane, raucous, undisciplined, ranting toddler throwing a temper tantrum over and over.

Best summaries so far:
www.independent.co.uk

#185 | Posted by YAV at 2020-09-29 11:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Laura is right, Mao tse Dung first.

Laura is the Pink Standard.

#186 | Posted by Corky at 2020-09-29 11:28 PM | Reply

" Would you shut up man."

#15 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2020-09-29 09:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

Biden tells him to "Just Shut Up Man"

#16 | Posted by Just_Joe at 2020-09-29 09:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

Will you shut up, man!

This was the debate. Good for 'Sleepy Joe'. He didn't seem too sleepy!

#187 | Posted by horstngraben at 2020-09-29 11:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#184

Just the facts, ma'am. ;-)

#188 | Posted by Corky at 2020-09-29 11:29 PM | Reply

Sad but true:

Ezra Klein @ezraklein

It's not just that Trump is a bad president. It's that he's a bad person.

#189 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-09-29 11:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#189 - Trump made that an understatement tonight.

#190 | Posted by YAV at 2020-09-29 11:32 PM | Reply

Breaking news: Chris Wallace has committed suicide.

(kidding)

#191 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2020-09-29 11:34 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Wallace completely lost control. Trump disrupted everything so badly that Biden was tripping over his own tongue. In the big picture it's a disaster for Biden and a victory for Trump. That's how I saw it.

#192 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2020-09-29 11:37 PM | Reply

#192 - with all due respect, that's as crazy as Trump.

#193 | Posted by YAV at 2020-09-29 11:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I thought Biden did well.

I yelled at my monitor with a lot of words I wished Biden had said.

He didn't, and I yelled anyway.

Biden spoke to the American people, while Trump spoke to Trump.

I thought Biden did well.

#194 | Posted by horstngraben at 2020-09-29 11:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I'm watching it now on youtube.

Holy ---- it's worse than I thought it would be.

Trump is so thin skinned he couldn't even let Wallace finish his question without trying to lie his way out of it.

#195 | Posted by jpw at 2020-09-29 11:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

And he really is a giant orange ----- stain of a toddler.

What an absolute embarrassment to this country that he is POTUS.

#196 | Posted by jpw at 2020-09-29 11:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Biden wasn't sleepy and he stayed calm. I want THAT in the WH. Not an insane lying screaming maniac.

The choice is crystal clear after tonight's hysterical Trump performance.

#197 | Posted by YAV at 2020-09-29 11:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

I wonder how many of his aides will resign (or have resigned) if this is the joke Trump will continue to be.

#198 | Posted by jpw at 2020-09-29 11:46 PM | Reply

#197

Yup!

#199 | Posted by horstngraben at 2020-09-29 11:50 PM | Reply

The Trump campaign sent out an email, under Trump's name, to his supporters stating that "I finished debating Joe Biden." and "I showed the American People that I will ALWAYS fight to put America First no matter what and that I will NEVER stop working to Make America Great Again,".

The only issue was that this email was sent-out OVER TWO HOURS BEFORE THE DEBATE HAD EVEN STARTED. And of course, tomorrow I'm sure that everyone who got one of those emails will believe that that's exactly what happened.

However, there was one thing in that email that was supposedly 'written' by Trump that did turn out to be absolutely true, and that was when he claimed that this debate will "go down in HISTORY."

Trump email says he finished debating' Biden hours before debate begins

The president's campaign jumped the gun on touting his performance.

www.politico.com

The people working for the Trump campaign are total idiots.

OCU

#200 | Posted by OCUser at 2020-09-29 11:53 PM | Reply

There's already "Bad Things Happen in Philadelphia" t-shirts.

#201 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2020-09-29 11:55 PM | Reply

It's reported that about half-way through the debate, a 12 year-olf girl tweeted that she hoped NO one outside the United States was watching.

OCU

#202 | Posted by OCUser at 2020-09-29 11:56 PM | Reply

Trump is out there telling the violent white supremacist group Proud Boys to "stand by" and Laura is still not sure who to vote for. Needs to hear more. Thinks her transgender rights have already been "affirmed".

You're like a person whose house is on fire but can't decide to call the firefighter or the arsonist.

#203 | Posted by rcade at 2020-09-29 11:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 8

And that story about the "Portland Sheriff" supporting Trump and his actions, that was total bunk.

Multnomah County Sheriff (the closest thing there can possibly be to a "Portland Sheriff") says "As Multnomah County Sheriff I have never supported Donald Trump and will never support him."

OCU

#204 | Posted by OCUser at 2020-09-29 11:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

pyxis.nymag.com

Trumpers and left wing purists.

It's common ground...I guess?

#205 | Posted by jpw at 2020-09-29 11:59 PM | Reply

I'm sensing another vote for Jill Stein in the works.

#206 | Posted by censored at 2020-09-30 12:00 AM | Reply

What idiot would do that?

#207 | Posted by YAV at 2020-09-30 12:02 AM | Reply

Wow. "Don't ever use the word smart with me, Joe."

What a thin skinned sack of ----. It's very easy to tell when Biden lands a solid body blow because Trump yelps like a bitch every time.

#208 | Posted by jpw at 2020-09-30 12:03 AM | Reply

#204 - Newsworthy and thanks, OCU.

The fact-checking is ripping Trump to shreds! It's shark week I tell ya!

#209 | Posted by YAV at 2020-09-30 12:04 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Wow, we again see that Dotard is the master of projection, he accused Joe of being on performance enhancing drugs when The Commander and Cheat was clearly geeked out of his mind on Adderall.

#210 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2020-09-30 12:08 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Where is Trump getting the number that 2,000,000 people would have died without his action?

I know I know, it's Trump, but is there remotely close to a real source for that?

#211 | Posted by jpw at 2020-09-30 12:10 AM | Reply

Total embarrassment for our country to sit through that.

So indeed it continues to be true, everything Trump touches turns to ----. Thanks boss!!!!

The really sad thing is, if you were tuning into as a voter undecided, how the --- do you parse thru that. I mean, Trump was an obvious idiot but it was hard at times to hear Biden.

Trump didn't help himself tonight. He's behind and that's not the performance he needed.

As one Republican strategist said tonight: "If you can't see Trump is unfit for office, I am not sure what he has to do. Set himself on fire?"

#212 | Posted by brass30 at 2020-09-30 12:11 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I love you too RCADE. You big lug.

#213 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-09-30 12:12 AM | Reply

Loved how Biden got a hug and kiss from is mask-wearing wife after the debate.

Trumpy......shoulder rub.............

#214 | Posted by brass30 at 2020-09-30 12:15 AM | Reply

"On Fox News, hosts Bret Baier and Martha MacCallum were shaken, but restrained in their criticism. "I feel like we just went through something," Baier said."

Why yes you did just go through "something"!

LMAO!

#215 | Posted by YAV at 2020-09-30 12:17 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

#211 A UK study said if no mitigations were done at all, the worst case loss of life would be about 2M in the US. Trump will reach over a quarter of the worst case of total incompetence. Other countries are doing dozens of times better.

#216 | Posted by bored at 2020-09-30 12:19 AM | Reply

Reaction Quote of the Night?

Independent voters react to Trump and Biden's first debate

www.youtube.com

"Ruthie" about a minute in says she thinks she's decided for Biden...

"... like trying to win an argument with a crackhead."

She said Trump was like someone "tweeting on massive amounts of cocaine."

#217 | Posted by Corky at 2020-09-30 12:22 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

216 | POSTED BY BORED

I wondered if the result was one of the modeling estimates.

That, of course, Trump thinks would have happened under anybody but himself.

Sort of supports my prediction that to Trump and Trumpers, no amount of dead is a cause for concern because he and they will always find some higher number to claim would have happened without Trump.

#218 | Posted by jpw at 2020-09-30 12:25 AM | Reply

The really sad thing is, if you were tuning into as a voter undecided, how the --- do you parse thru that. I mean, Trump was an obvious idiot but it was hard at times to hear Biden.

Unfortunately, that is a win for Trump. Any voter who isn't locked in for Trump wasn't going to be persuaded by anything that he had to say tonight, but for the untold thousands of low-information voters looking to hear real policies and ideas only to change the channel in disgust - that is exactly what Trump was trying to do - toxicify the election and hope to dissuade likely Biden voters from showing up or at minimum from giving him a full chance to win their support tonight.

I don't think this will prove as successful for him as it will be detrimental and seal his electoral fate, but I have no doubt turning off voters not predisposed to voting for Trump was the main goal of his Earth 1 deranged performance. On Earth 2 it was probably seen as brilliant.

#219 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-09-30 12:27 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Well, Trump just became a totally unhinged sweaty lunatic shouting at Biden about his son getting millions of dollars from China and then the mayor of Moscow's wife (WTF?).

SMDH.

#220 | Posted by jpw at 2020-09-30 12:31 AM | Reply

#217

Link is really interesting.. It's Frank Luntz and a bunch of mostly undecided Indies werking through their decision.

#221 | Posted by Corky at 2020-09-30 12:32 AM | Reply

JPW - link to the study: www.imperial.ac.uk

#222 | Posted by YAV at 2020-09-30 12:32 AM | Reply

Trump said during the debate, "Insulin is so inexpensive it flows like water."

Insulin costs as much as $1,000 a month in the U.S.

#223 | Posted by rcade at 2020-09-30 12:34 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

I always thought Chris Wallace was by far the best Faux News has to offer but after this I have nothing but respect for him.

He was pretty ruthless with Trump at moments so far. Good for him.

#224 | Posted by jpw at 2020-09-30 12:35 AM | Reply

Unfortunately, that is a win for Trump.

It isn't a win for Trump because he's behind. Making millions of people turn off the debate and not watch the next two gives Trump no chance to change the race.

#225 | Posted by rcade at 2020-09-30 12:36 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

Just don't "drink!" every time Trump lies... you'll regret it in the morning.

#2 | POSTED BY CORKY

You would have been dead from alcohol poisoning after 20 minutes.

#226 | Posted by a_monson at 2020-09-30 12:38 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Ahhhhh Trump is getting into the racist red meat now.

Apparently acknowledging racism means one hates America!

#227 | Posted by jpw at 2020-09-30 12:46 AM | Reply

Watching Biden, I've just come to the realization that Trump is going to win again.
#26 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2020-09-29 09:29 PM | FLAG: RECEIVED | FUNNY: 1

I'm at a loss for words. The only consistent point made by both parties is how they are opposed to the far left, and that Chris Wallace should be president.

Obvious stuttering aside, Biden was not able to maintain focus and began parroting what was being said around him a couple of times, such as the very strange "no negative effect" simultaneous regurgitation. He led none of the debate, and kept a questioning tone in his responses throughout the first hour.

Trump was irritating and impolite, but got every single one of his points met. All of them, including the attempted character assassination of both Bidens sons. What an ugly douche of a person.

I want those two hours of my life back.

#228 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2020-09-30 12:55 AM | Reply

It isn't a win for Trump because he's behind. Making millions of people turn off the debate and not watch the next two gives Trump no chance to change the race.

The win is if those million people don't vote at all because they wrongly think that both Biden and Trump are just two sides of the same coin. (I did say low information voters)

If the people actually got to see and hear a normal issue-dominated debate the vast majority of them would vote for Biden because he has actual sane, rational plans and goals, not just word salads and self-serving platitudes about the past and smears about his opponent's child who has no role in the government at all.

I also said that it would end up hurting Trump, not helping him. But if tonight turned off voters from voting, that is a net win for Trump - of those potential voters, not of the election itself. He still thinks that he's close enough to pull another inside straight with only his base like in 2016, and he couldn't be more wrong if he tried.

#229 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-09-30 12:55 AM | Reply

Stand back and Stand by.... These are not the words of a man who is going to lose the election. His behavior was not intended to win votes. The debate poll numbers don't matter. You are about to be surprised.

#230 | Posted by iloveyou at 2020-09-30 01:09 AM | Reply

(I did say low information voters)

I'm skeptical of the idea that there's a pool of low information voters out there still who will decide anything in 2020. Biden has led for an astonishingly long amount of time and polls have barely moved. This is an electorate that made up its mind and millions of Americans have already voted.

Trump can't win in 2020 by stirring up ---- and making Americans hate politics. He could do that in 2016 because he was an outsider. When you're the incumbent, stirring up ---- just reinforces the idea that a change is needed.

#231 | Posted by rcade at 2020-09-30 01:13 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

White supremacists present the gravest terror threat to the United States, according to a draft report from the Department of Homeland Security.

Imagine for a minute if someone had given George Bush and John Kerry the chance to denounce Al-Qaeda and Osama bin Laden during their 2004 debates and one of them refused to do so.
Because that is exactly what Trump did tonight. He refused to condemn the biggest terror threat to America.

#233 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2020-09-30 01:14 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Stand back and Stand by.... These are not the words of a man who is going to lose the election. His behavior was not intended to win votes. The debate poll numbers don't matter. You are about to be surprised.

#230 | POSTED BY ILOVEYOU

You mean those aren't the words of somebody who plans on letting go of power.

#234 | Posted by jpw at 2020-09-30 01:18 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I love you too RCADE. You big lug.
#213 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

You're a contrarian by nature, I see.

#235 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-09-30 01:20 AM | Reply

Rick Santorum Calls Out Wild' Trump for Sabotaging Down-Ballot Republicans: I Would Be Pretty Mad at Him'
www.mediaite.com

#236 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-09-30 01:26 AM | Reply

WATCH: Rick Santorum Admits Trump Doesn't Like' to Say Something Bad' About White Supremacists
www.mediaite.com

#237 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-09-30 01:26 AM | Reply

My old man says I'm an unsufferable insolent _itch but I don't see it.

#238 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-09-30 01:27 AM | Reply

Chris Christie, Trump Debate Adviser, Says President Was Too Hot' in First Debate, But Potentially Can be Fixed'.
www.mediaite.com

#239 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-09-30 01:27 AM | Reply

Biden Angrily Spars With Trump About His Son Beau's Military Service: He Was Not a Loser, He Was a Patriot'
www.mediaite.com

So Trump continues to label dead American vets as losers?

How in the hell is that considered a winning strategy?

Please someone explain to me.

#240 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-09-30 01:28 AM | Reply

#238 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

You can be a natural contrarian without that.

#241 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-09-30 01:29 AM | Reply

Imagine for a minute if someone had given George Bush and John Kerry the chance to denounce Al-Qaeda and Osama bin Laden during their 2004 debates and one of them refused to do so.
#233 | POSTED BY JOHNNY_HOTSAUCE AT 2020-09-30 01:14 AM | REPLY | FLAG:PPPFFFTTT

Republicl0wns are still angry at "libruls" because Bushturd2 called Islam a "religion of peace"... clown logic demands it...

#242 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2020-09-30 01:29 AM | Reply

To be fair, as I made my previous statement, I had shut it off well before Trump sidestepped condemnation of white supremacy. That, by itself, may be one of the most despicable moments in modern US debate history. It should make Biden the clear winner.

#243 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2020-09-30 01:31 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

BTW for those worried about Biden's age and health...look at what a tubby ---- Trump is. Biden is older and is in far better shape. If you can stomach it, look for a segment behind them. Trump is fat as ---- and the poorly fitted suit does nothing to hide it.

#244 | Posted by jpw at 2020-09-30 01:34 AM | Reply

Trump is a rude bully of a child. Personally, I'm embarrassed as an American over tonight.

My wife, a registered Republican, was saying 'shut the f*** up!' louder and louder as time went on.

"Law and Order president?" Hell, he won't even abide by agreed upon debate rules.

#245 | Posted by americanunity at 2020-09-30 01:55 AM | Reply

Don't ever use the word "Smart" with me Joe

#31 | Posted by Just_Joe

Biden could have said, "at least I took my own SATs"

#246 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-09-30 01:59 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

After seeing the debate my only self-commentary was, "but did you die?"

#247 | Posted by bocaink at 2020-09-30 02:08 AM | Reply

Who could not love a President exhibiting steroidal rage? I've seen this with weight lifters! You can't beat good performance enhancing drugs!

#248 | Posted by iloveyou at 2020-09-30 02:11 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Well, Biden ended properly as a statesman should.

Trump tried to shout his way in to spread more --------.

That about sums it up.

#249 | Posted by jpw at 2020-09-30 02:36 AM | Reply

www.youtube.com

LOL look around 2:03 (hours).

He's such a pathetic fat ---- moron piece of ---- even his wife won't kiss him on national TV LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

#250 | Posted by jpw at 2020-09-30 02:38 AM | Reply

#250

Yeah, that arm rub doesn't exactly reek of foreplay.

#251 | Posted by bocaink at 2020-09-30 02:54 AM | Reply

Anyone playing a drinking game who took a drink whenever Trump lied is in an ICU right now from alcohol poisoning.

#252 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-09-30 03:03 AM | Reply

Trump jerking his wife's hand at the end of the debate as they stood on stage together... that was weird!

#253 | Posted by LiquidCake at 2020-09-30 06:55 AM | Reply

Trump jerking his wife's hand at the end of the debate as they stood on stage together... that was weird!
#253 | POSTED BY LIQUIDCAKE AT 2020-09-30 06:55 AM

I didn't see that, and actually they seemed more natural and normal tonight than perhaps ever before.

Melania steps up the stage, appears to say something to Donald who caresses her arm as she sidles up for photographs. Joseph and Jill hugged.

Jill is the only person on that stage wearing a mask though.. Perhaps we just watched a Three-Way Infection (a lower-grade porn title beating out Pant-Suit Pollination), which included multi-pedal action, solo bicep grasping and multiple intra-facial expectoration.

#254 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2020-09-30 08:13 AM | Reply

Let's go to the video tape:

"Did...the Trump awkwardly pat his wife's arm, then see the Bidens warmly hug...and then...take Melania's hand and yank on it?

Hmmm."

twitter.com

#255 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-09-30 08:21 AM | Reply

You really have to wonder how much Trump really wants to win. It's a similar question back in 2016.

That performance was utterly ridiculous for a person wanting to hold the highest position in the land.

One one hand, who needs this? On the other hand..........he does need this. Catch-22 personified.

#256 | Posted by brass30 at 2020-09-30 09:17 AM | Reply

"You really have to wonder how much Trump really wants to win."

I don't think winning is as important to him as staying in power. His is really a "by any means necessary" campaign strategy.

#257 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2020-09-30 09:19 AM | Reply

It's nice to know the election is over after the debate. Trump's one chance to get independent voters and undecideds is gone in a poof of smoke. He's likely lost all suburban moms as well.

#258 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-09-30 11:31 AM | Reply

JFC I am tired of people acting like the election is over or Biden is destined to win.

This is not a normal presidential election!

------- laid it out, clearly, (or as clearly as he is capable) in the last section, on voting.

------- will declare himself victor.

The votes will show Biden won.

------- will file countless lawsuits about the votes.

The lawsuits will end up at the SC.

The SC will crown ------- king.

#259 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-09-30 11:36 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

" The SC will crown ------- king."

I currently believe there are even odds that the vote will be Roberts, Breyer, Kagan, Sotomayor, And Gorsuch in Biden's favor.

I don't think any of the rest have the requisite self control to vote impartially.

#260 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2020-09-30 11:44 AM | Reply

You are about to be surprised.

I think the same. Why was Trump going off about ballots and fraud when there is no negligible proof? An insurrection is afoot?

#261 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2020-09-30 11:51 AM | Reply

Hmmm.

Trump has a problem with his right side. I'm not sure he has much feeling in his hand or foot.

#262 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2020-09-30 11:59 AM | Reply

Mrs. ------- couldn't get off the stage fast enough. Perhaps ------- smells.

#263 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-09-30 12:01 PM | Reply

Perhaps ------- smells.

Between the obese sweat, steroids, crack, hairspray, make-up, hair-pins, diaper and shoe lifts, he gotta reek.

#264 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2020-09-30 12:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

DT has shown the World how to turn an amazing nation into a sh*thole country.

#265 | Posted by Jaspar at 2020-09-30 01:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

News outlets have counted 120 times Trump interrupted Biden. 120. Wow.

#266 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-09-30 02:02 PM | Reply

Lets see where this goes:

Presidential debate organizers promise format changes after Tuesday night chaos

The move comes after many criticized the group and the moderator for letting Trump run the show.

www.nbcnews.com

OCU

#267 | Posted by OCUser at 2020-09-30 02:08 PM | Reply

#267 - I hope those changes include shock-collars around their necks if not around their ---------. Biden might get a shock or two, but Trump'll be lit like a Christmas Tree.

#268 | Posted by YAV at 2020-09-30 03:12 PM | Reply

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