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Wednesday, September 30, 2020

The University of North Carolina system reported its first coronavirus-related student death on Tuesday since several campuses reopened with at least partial in-person learning last month. Chad Dorrill, a 19-year student at Appalachian State University who his mother and former coach described as a "super healthy" athlete, died on Monday due to coronavirus complications, officials said. ... "This is a perfectly healthy 19-year-old kid that two years ago was running up and down the floor playing 30 out of 32-minute games," [former high school coach Jason] Anderson said.

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This is a shame. Rest in peace, young man. All you other college kids out there, clip this article and post it on your refrigerators. Read it daily...

#1 | Posted by catdog at 2020-09-30 01:29 PM | Reply

"All you other college kids out there, clip this article and post it on your refrigerators. Read it daily..."

I mentioned a few weeks ago that my niece, who attends FSU, got Covid along with all of her roommates. Her roommates have since recovered, but she is still struggling because unlike them she got pneumonia. She, too, was healthy, played sports in high school, but for some reason this has hit her harder.

#2 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-09-30 01:37 PM | Reply

Hope your niece regains her health, Gal.

My mother was diagnosed with pneumonia at age 19. They had already ordered her casket and flowers, but she survived and had me two years later. As it turned out, it wasn't pneumonia at all. Fifty years later she died of the lung damage done by the avian flu which my father carried home unknowingly from being stationed in Hawaii in WWII.

#3 | Posted by Corky at 2020-09-30 01:51 PM | Reply

As to this story...

"Inconvievable!" - the usual myth bombers

#4 | Posted by Corky at 2020-09-30 01:51 PM | Reply

"Inconvievable!" - the usual myth bombers"

Not inconceivable. At least not to the author. He's the 1 in 10,000,000 case, according to doctors.

#5 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-09-30 02:50 PM | Reply

He's the 1 in 10,000,000 case, according to doctors.

#5 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Ummmm no.

www.kff.org

#6 | Posted by jpw at 2020-09-30 03:32 PM | Reply

He's the 1 in 10,000,000 case, according to doctors.

#5 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

He's just another sucker and a loser in the World According to Trumpy (and his Deplorables).

#7 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-09-30 03:39 PM | Reply

"He's the 1 in 10,000,000 case, according to doctors."

^
Reminds me of the time Houston had three "hundred-year" floods in like five years.

#8 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-09-30 03:44 PM | Reply

"Inconvievable!" - the usual myth bombers"
Not inconceivable. At least not to the author. He's the 1 in 10,000,000 case, according to doctors.

#5 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

And we should ignore all the teens and young adults who have life long health problems caused by COVID too, right?

#9 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-09-30 07:03 PM | Reply

2 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

GoNoles?
Or one of the other FSUs around the nation?

#10 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2020-09-30 07:09 PM | Reply

#9 | Posted by Sycophant

One of the large health care/hospital systems (in Texas?) was seeing a high number of test results come back positive in young asymptomatic patients.

They decided to do chest x-rays and CT scans and study what if any effects COVID was having on these otherwise healthy looking COVID test recipients. In nearly every case, radiologists and ER physicians described their films as looking 'like there was a cloud over the film' of their lungs. Some of them further described as looking like those of long time smokers.

#11 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-09-30 07:17 PM | Reply

PS - they did imaging on over 500 of them ...

#12 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-09-30 07:19 PM | Reply

"Ummmm no."

Ummmm yes. From the article:

"Dorrill's mother released a statement though the team. "The doctors said that Chad is the rarest 1-10,000,000 case but if it can happen to a super healthy 19-year old boy who doesn't smoke, vape or do drugs, it can happen to anyone," Susan Dorrill said, according to WFMY."

#13 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-10-01 12:24 AM | Reply

And what am I supposed to glean from your kff link showing the deaths per 100,000 people for teens in 2017?

#14 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-10-01 12:26 AM | Reply

"And we should ignore all the teens and young adults who have life long health problems caused by COVID too, right?"

And what percentage of teens is that?

So here's my point. You're already ignoring the fact that a child is at (far) greater risk of dying in a car crash than they are of dying of COVID.

Let's review some numbers:

Out of 2.1 million uniformed service members, there have been eight deaths out of 45,759 infections. 618 required hospitalization

The current snapshot looks like this:

Odds of contracting COVID: 1/262,500
Odds of hospitalization if infected: 1/74
Odds of dying: 1/5,720

#15 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-10-01 12:34 AM | Reply

I feel like that's a metaphorical one in ten million, don't you, MadBomber?

I mean, if it were a computed statistic being reported in a peer-reviewed public health setting, it would have error bars.

Right? Right.

#16 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-10-01 12:37 AM | Reply

I feel like many of you have some weird belief that you can sit back and weather this thing out if you hunker down. You're wrong. This hurricane isn't going away. And pretending it will won't solve anything.

At some point you deniers are going to have to cowboy up and reconcile the choice between being part of society or removing yourself from a risky environment. And right now I suspect you may think your minimizing risk...but you're probably not.

#17 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-10-01 12:37 AM | Reply

#16

That would be a question for the doctor(s) who made the statement. I can't say what methodology was used to derive that number.

#18 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-10-01 12:38 AM | Reply

"The current snapshot looks like this:
Odds of contracting COVID: 1/262,500"

No, that's not the odds of contacting it.

Something like 2% of Americans have tested positive for it. That's 1 in 50.

Herd immunity kicks in somewhere around 30 in 50.

Happy Extinction!

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-10-01 12:40 AM | Reply

That would be a question for the doctor(s) who made the statement. I can't say what methodology was used to derive that number.
#18 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

No need to ask them.

I know about methodology, and I can assure you they're speaking from the heart, not the mind.

#20 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-10-01 12:42 AM | Reply

"At some point you deniers are going to have to cowboy up and reconcile the choice between being part of society or removing yourself from a risky environment."

Who exactly do you think you're talking to, that is still on the fence?

Seriously, who needs this advice?

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-10-01 12:44 AM | Reply

50,000 out of 2,000,000 works out to 5/200, or 1/40. Which is just over 2%. Pretty close to the overall rate.

Like you said, you can't hide.

#22 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-10-01 12:48 AM | Reply

Odds of contracting COVID: 1/262,500"

"No, that's not the odds of contacting it."

It is if you're using Republican Math. That's where any equation equals whatever your agenda requires.

MadBomber once pointed out kids taking a bus to school had a higher chance of dying than ever contracting Covid...

...while completely ignoring the fact school bus drivers are 800% safer than commuters.

Republican Math.

#23 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-10-01 01:01 AM | Reply

"I feel like many of you have some weird belief that you can sit back and weather this thing out if you hunker down. "

Don't be an idiot. This is all about macro dials. It's the difference between meeting a half-dozen friends while distancing/wearing masks, and jamming 1,000 maskless people into an area meant for 700.

#24 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-10-01 01:05 AM | Reply

"Happy Extinction!"

COVID has killed a million people worldwide. Out of seven billion

Communism killed 75 times that many.

#25 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-10-01 02:15 AM | Reply

"No, that's not the odds of contacting it."

For uniformed service members it definitely is.

#26 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-10-01 02:16 AM | Reply

"MadBomber once pointed out kids taking a bus to school had a higher chance of dying than ever contracting Covid..."

I didn't point it out. Bloomberg did.

Here it is again. For your enjoyment.

www.bloomberg.com

#27 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-10-01 02:17 AM | Reply

"Don't be an idiot. This is all about macro dials. It's the difference between meeting a half-dozen friends while distancing/wearing masks, and jamming 1,000 maskless people into an area meant for 700."

I think you're one of those who is not being realistic about the world you live in.

You can tell me if I'm wrong, but I think you see this as something that society can weather. Just hunker down for a short period of time and this thing will blow over. Hopefully that's true, but what if it doesn't.

There is no plan for this thing being a permanent part of our world. We need to prepare as if it is.

#28 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-10-01 02:20 AM | Reply

The plan is, don't get sick; if you do get sick.

DIE QUICKLY.

#29 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-10-01 03:10 AM | Reply

"Just hunker down for a short period of time and this thing will blow over. Hopefully that's true, but what if it doesn't."

It's a pandemic.

A pandemic doesn't just "blow over".

Did you know? The Influenza virus is still with us long after 1918, it has mutated and evolved. As we have in response.

I had a little bird, It's name was Enza, I opened the window, and in-flu-enza


#30 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-10-01 08:54 AM | Reply

So here's my point. You're already ignoring the fact that a child is at (far) greater risk of dying in a car crash than they are of dying of COVID.

#15 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

And you, as you continually do on pretty much every covid post, by focusing only on death outcomes ignores that a very high percentage of covid patients suffer ongoing physical and cognitive issues after clearing the virus.
I don't know what point you are even try to make at this point with your tired old song but the healthcare workers who I work with wish people like you would educate yourselves or at the very least shut up.

#31 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2020-10-01 09:21 AM | Reply

COVID has killed a million people worldwide. Out of seven billion
Communism killed 75 times that many.
#25 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Communism did that over the course of a century.

COVID-19 has done that in less than a year.

That makes COVID-19 about twice as dangerous as Communism.

So, can you hide from Communism forever, or what?

#32 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-10-01 11:18 AM | Reply

"There is no plan for this thing being a permanent part of our world."

The GOP has a plan. It's called business as usual.

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-10-01 11:21 AM | Reply

COVID has killed a million people worldwide. Out of seven billion
Communism killed 75 times that many.
#25 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

There was an asteroid that hit the earth Once too and that killed many many more than the Rona. The pandemic of 1918 also killed more. (So far.) What exactly is your point? How did you determine those two things were even remotely in the same category?

#34 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-10-01 11:30 AM | Reply

"Did you know? The Influenza virus is still with us long after 1918, it has mutated and evolved. As we have in response."

Yeah.

And the common flu still infects 35 million people each year, leading to more than 800K hospitalizations and anywhere between 12k and 60k deaths.

And that's with a vaccine.

I haven't seen a response option, other that the utterly ridiculous lockdowns that occur when infection rates get too high, and then end once the rates drop, before being put back into effect when rates increase because the lockdowns were eased.

Is this what the new normal looks like? An endless cycle of openings and closings that do nothing over the long run except extend the pandemic?

#35 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-10-01 11:32 AM | Reply

"And you, as you continually do on pretty much every covid post, by focusing only on death outcomes ignores that a very high percentage of covid patients suffer ongoing physical and cognitive issues after clearing the virus."

That's sort of a nebulous statement, bound neither by time or seriousness. Nor does it provide any metrics on what percentage is actually affected.

the flu, the common flu, can also result in long-term health impacts. Did we ever shut down Disneyworld because of flu?

#36 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-10-01 11:34 AM | Reply

"How did you determine those two things were even remotely in the same category?"

They're not. Just pointing out that a million isn't that big a number on a planet with seven million people.

And the normal flu killed around 650K world wide each year. Around 1770 people per day. So far, the average daily death rate for COVID 19 is around 3725. And if I were to bet, I'd say this number is going to remain pretty stable.

#37 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-10-01 11:41 AM | Reply

What is the point of saying that things like car accidents and communism kill more people than Coronavirus?

The US has gone to extraordinary lengths to reduce car accident deaths by implementing seatbelt laws, airbag laws, speed limits, etc., and has likewise undertaken massive efforts to eradicate and slow the spread of communism.

The notion that we should take a lasseiz-faire approach to Coronavirus because other things exist that kill more people is not only absurd on its face (we should and do battle all things that result in unnecessary death regardless of the extent to which they occur), it is also belied by the fact that

Finally, it is incredibly ignorant to compare Coronavirus to car accidents. When someone chooses to drive without a seatbelt, there is no risk of this behavior being spread to the car next to them. When someone is treated at the hospital for accident-related injuries, there is no risk that their injuries will then spread to the doctors, nurses and staff that come into contact with them.

#38 | Posted by JOE at 2020-10-01 11:49 AM | Reply

Weird, part of my paragraph got cut off. Belied by the fact that we dedicate tremendous financial, legislative and even military efforts to reduce car accident deaths and slow the spread of communism.

#39 | Posted by JOE at 2020-10-01 11:51 AM | Reply

Is this what the new normal looks like? An endless cycle of openings and closings that do nothing over the long run except extend the pandemic?

#35 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Yep. Congratulations!

Maybe you are finally getting it. As long as we have a science denier in the White House then "It is what it is".

But remember, remember the 3rd of November.

It did not have to be like this.

#40 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-10-01 11:55 AM | Reply

-An endless cycle of openings and closings that do nothing over the long run except extend the pandemic?

That's what I see happening...does anybody else think something different is going to happen?

#41 | Posted by eberly at 2020-10-01 11:56 AM | Reply

Is this what the new normal looks like? An endless cycle of openings and closings that do nothing over the long run except extend the pandemic?
#35 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Are you unclear that prolonging the pandemic prolongs the window of opportunity to create a vaccine and end the pandemic?

Do you not understand how that works?

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-10-01 11:57 AM | Reply

"Is this what the new normal looks like?"

New?

We've known this for six months, dummy.

"A pandemic will last 18 months or longer and could include multiple waves of illness." Source: US Government COVID-19 Response Plan. March 13, 2020.

#43 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-10-01 12:00 PM | Reply

"No, that's not the odds of contacting it."
For uniformed service members it definitely is.

#26 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

I suppose you are simply ignorant of the efforts taken by the military to reduce infections.

#44 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-10-01 12:02 PM | Reply

"Just pointing out that a million isn't that big a number on a planet with seven million people."

If a million in nine months isn't many, then 75 million over the course of a century (Communism) is an even smaller few.

"One death is a tragedy. A million deaths is a statistic."

#45 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-10-01 12:06 PM | Reply

That's what I see happening...does anybody else think something different is going to happen?

#41 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Depends on who wins in November. Obviously.

Tell me you already knew this.

#46 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-10-01 12:12 PM | Reply

What's Joe Biden's plan for the pandemic?

#47 | Posted by eberly at 2020-10-01 12:13 PM | Reply

#47 You're presumably on a computer with an internet connection. How can you seriously be asking that question?

#48 | Posted by JOE at 2020-10-01 12:17 PM | Reply

"No, that's not the odds of contacting it."
For uniformed service members it definitely is.
#26 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

I suppose you are simply ignorant of the efforts taken by the military to reduce infections.
#44 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS

Not to mention, ignorant of what happens when you divide 45,759 infections into 2.1 million people. You get 2.179% infection rate, and we're only six months into an 18+ month pandemic.

#49 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-10-01 12:17 PM | Reply

oh, and don't sell Joe Biden to anyone here.

minds here have already been made up.

I'm voting for Joe Biden.....so don't talk about trump.

What's Joe Biden's plan for the pandemic?

#50 | Posted by eberly at 2020-10-01 12:18 PM | Reply

#47 You're presumably on a computer with an internet connection. How can you seriously be asking that question?
#48 | POSTED BY JOE

Joe,
He's drunk already.

#51 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-10-01 12:18 PM | Reply

-How can you seriously be asking that question?

the question is for you, Joe.

Do you know Joe Biden's plan for the pandemic? starting after his victory is secured (hopefully soon)...what's he going to do, exactly

#52 | Posted by eberly at 2020-10-01 12:20 PM | Reply

That's sort of a nebulous statement, bound neither by time or seriousness. Nor does it provide any metrics on what percentage is actually affected.
the flu, the common flu, can also result in long-term health impacts. Did we ever shut down Disneyworld because of flu?

#36 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Is there a point that you are trying to make other things have sucked too? Because EVERYONE KNOWS THAT!
If so then please state because all I get from your constant posts about covid deaths is that you don't care that a new virus is killing people at a faster rate than any other on the planet while it leaves survivors with lasting health problems that may put them at greater risk should covid be allowed to continue to circulate the globe, mutate and reinfect.

#53 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2020-10-01 12:24 PM | Reply

Do you know Joe Biden's plan for the pandemic?

I googled it after you asked and found a fairly detailed plan on his website in less than five seconds. So, yeah.

Your own ineptitude is not a reflection on Joe Biden.

#54 | Posted by JOE at 2020-10-01 12:26 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

What's Joe Biden's plan for the pandemic?
#47 | POSTED BY EBERLY

bfy.tw

#55 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2020-10-01 12:27 PM | Reply

-I googled it after you asked and found a fairly detailed plan on his website in less than five seconds. So, yeah.

So you don't know his plan......you just know how to google his plan on the internet.

not that you have any earthly idea what it is or that you could understand it.

which was my question.....

#56 | Posted by eberly at 2020-10-01 12:29 PM | Reply

Did we ever shut down Disneyworld because of flu?
#36 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

"In Florida, WaltDisney World hasonlyclosedits gates seven times in almost 50 years. TheDisneyparks went nearly 28 years without an unscheduled closure until Hurricane Floyd came barreling down in 1999. The parks also wereclosedin the wake of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks"

9/11 killed waaaay less people than the flu, which killed less than COVID-19, right? Right.

#57 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-10-01 12:29 PM | Reply

I'm just having fun, fellas.

I'm hoping that Biden implements changes that results in something other than and endless cycle of openings and closing pushing this thing into infinity.

right now, that's all I see for us.

#58 | Posted by eberly at 2020-10-01 12:34 PM | Reply

"It did not have to be like this."

How did it have to be?

The way I see it, there are two basic choices. Lock down and a lower death rate, or open society and a higher death rate. Right now, most countries have chosen the utterly stupid path of doing both. Which in the long run isn't going to save lives or preserve the economy and quality of life.

#59 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-10-01 12:35 PM | Reply

Joe,

Maybe if you take Eberly's hand and put it in the water, and keep spelling out "water" with your finger on the palm of his hand, he will have a breakthrough.

Hope this helps!

#60 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-10-01 12:36 PM | Reply

"It did not have to be like this."

"How did it have to be?"

Is it the same everywhere, or are some places doing better than others?

#61 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-10-01 12:37 PM | Reply

"I suppose you are simply ignorant of the efforts taken by the military to reduce infections."

Me?

I'm in the military, dude.

COVID is the least of my worries.

#62 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-10-01 12:38 PM | Reply

"The way I see it, there are two basic choices. Lock down and a lower death rate, or open society and a higher death rate. Right now, most countries have chosen the utterly stupid path of doing both."

You should really read the Imperial College report.

Seriously, go read it right now. They use epidemiology to model exactly what you said!

It's the tradeoff between sustaining the economy and sustaining public health.

#63 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-10-01 12:41 PM | Reply

"Are you unclear that prolonging the pandemic prolongs the window of opportunity to create a vaccine and end the pandemic?"

I think that's possible, but also aspirational.

But you've identified my biggest problem with how this has been handled. You're presupposing that there is a temporal limit to COVID. And if there were, it would be easy to come up with a plan. Lock down for "n" months and COVID will no longer be a problem. That's not a plan. That's a response to fear. Because it's quite likely that summer 2021 will arrive, and there is no vaccine. What then? No more vacations? No more restaurants or bars? No more school? No more college?

No more society?

#64 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-10-01 12:43 PM | Reply

"I'm hoping that Biden implements changes that results in something other than and endless cycle of openings and closing pushing this thing into infinity."

Hope And Change!

And, not infinity. For about another year, if we're fortunate.

Again, this has been public knowledge and the official position of the United States government since March.

#65 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-10-01 12:44 PM | Reply

2 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY
GoNoles?
Or one of the other FSUs around the nation?
#10 | POSTED BY GONOLES92

GoNoles.

#66 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-10-01 12:45 PM | Reply

"But you've identified my biggest problem with how this has been handled."

Look at Q2 GDP vs last year.
Q3 coming soon.

You'll see who has handled it well, and who hasn't.

#67 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-10-01 12:45 PM | Reply

"If so then please state because all I get from your constant posts about covid deaths is that you don't care that a new virus is killing people at a faster rate than any other on the planet while it leaves survivors with lasting health problems that may put them at greater risk should covid be allowed to continue to circulate the globe, mutate and reinfect."

I have several points, actually. The primary one is that COVID is here. It's part of this planet. that's a fact that you not only need to recognize, but also reconcile. Because it's going to drive you to make some very serious choices. It's not a hurricane that you can ride out if you hunker down. Hurricanes last for hours. This thing very well may be with us forever.

The second point is that the responses by government have been based on appealing to emotional satisfaction rather than pursuing any achievable objective. Like stating that wearing masks or avoiding bars will protect those who are at risk. Nope. You may be able to reduce risk a little, but not enough to be meaningful. Had the government wanted to provide a serious response they would have put the guard and reserve on military orders and created large-scale quarantine zones where those at risk could be protected from the outside. And as far as I know, military personnel are the only ones I know who could be legally forced to quarantine alongside those who they were caring for. You can't do that to a civilian.

Finally, the open-close-open cycle is just stupid. Another response intended to appeal to emotional well being rather than supporting a rational plan. And it's not something that government can really choose unilaterally. Staying open would mean that vulnerable populations would die (unless quarantined as described in my last paragraph. Staying closed could result in any number of catastrophic outcomes.

#68 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-10-01 01:18 PM | Reply

So you don't know his plan......you just know how to google his plan on the internet.

You're asking whether people have memorized his plan?

Why?

#69 | Posted by JOE at 2020-10-01 01:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#68 Wearing masks and closing bars doesn't meaningfully reduce risk?

You're either a liar or ------- braindead. I have no clue why you're allowed to post here.

#70 | Posted by JOE at 2020-10-01 01:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Let's start with Madbum's favorite source, Bloomberg:

"Mandatory Mask Use Could Have Saved 40,000 Lives, Study Says"
www.bloomberg.com

40,000 dead Americans isn't "meaningful" to you? Maybe a higher number would help.

"Wearing face masks could save another 66,000 Americans from dying of the virus by December, according to a new model.
www.livescience.com

#71 | Posted by JOE at 2020-10-01 01:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"The way I see it, there are two basic choices. Lock down and a lower death rate, or open society and a higher death rate."

What about the third option?

Testing testing testing. Wear a mask. Physically distance yourself. Trace and quarantine.

You know.

Like the CDC recommended before Trumpy politicized Science.

If we had followed the science there would be no need for a "shut down".

How many times do you need to be told this.

There was another path. Trumpy choose to avoid that route.

#72 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-10-01 01:33 PM | Reply

Having an egotistical sociopathic narcissist as my CIC would worry me too.

#73 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-10-01 01:37 PM | Reply

"40,000 dead Americans isn't "meaningful" to you? Maybe a higher number would help."

What kind of masks? A piece of toilet paper with a string attached to it? A shemagh? An M50 gas mask?

I don't think you're necessarily wrong...the right kind of mask can provide protection. But you can just as easily wear something that was not designed to prevent the spread of disease.

My face covering of choice it a Mammut neck gaiter. It's the most comfortable face covering I've found so far.

The other thing-the focus should be on individuals protecting themselves rather through their use of PPE, rather than making an attempt to protect others. I can protect myself much more effectively than I can protect someone else.

#74 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-10-01 01:49 PM | Reply

"The way I see it, there are two basic choices. Lock down and a lower death rate, or open society and a higher death rate."
What about the third option?
Testing testing testing. Wear a mask. Physically distance yourself. Trace and quarantine.
You know.
Like the CDC recommended before Trumpy politicized Science.
If we had followed the science there would be no need for a "shut down".
How many times do you need to be told this.
There was another path. Trumpy choose to avoid that route.

#72 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY AT 2020-10-01 01:33 PM

Like the NFL is doing.

#75 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-10-01 01:50 PM | Reply

"Testing testing testing. Wear a mask. Physically distance yourself. Trace and quarantine."

Testing needs to be a thing. Especially when it comes to travel between states or countries.

If you fly into Frankfurt Airport, you can get a free COVID test at the terminal. I'm not sure why everyone isn't doing something similar.

#76 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-10-01 01:52 PM | Reply

-You're asking whether people have memorized his plan?

no.

I can't believe you're allowed to post here when you can't read basic sentences.

#77 | Posted by eberly at 2020-10-01 02:21 PM | Reply

I was wrong when I stated there were no planning models. Here is a link to the CDC's COVID-19 Pandemic Planning Scenarios.

www.cdc.gov

#78 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-10-01 02:22 PM | Reply

"Testing testing testing. Wear a mask. Physically distance yourself. Trace and quarantine."

those aren't brand new concepts anymore.

In my community, all of that is being recommended and/or enforced.

my business, my kid's school, church, public places, any gathering over a certain size, etc.

What is Joe Biden going to do to impact that? meaning, that which is already occurring.

#79 | Posted by eberly at 2020-10-01 02:24 PM | Reply

"What is Joe Biden going to do to impact that? meaning, that which is already occurring."

Joe Biden did say that he was going to make people wear masks when they were in public. So if you're swimming in a pool, you're wearing a mask. If you're hiking the Appalachian trail, you're wearing a mask.

And I don't know how you eat or drink in public while wearing a mask.

There are probably a lot of public places where masks are a good idea, but being required to wear a mask while riding a bicycle would be pretty stupid.

#80 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-10-01 02:46 PM | Reply

What kind of masks? A piece of toilet paper with a string attached to it? A shemagh? An M50 gas mask?

I don't think you're necessarily wrong...the right kind of mask can provide protection. But you can just as easily wear something that was not designed to prevent the spread of disease.

My face covering of choice it a Mammut neck gaiter. It's the most comfortable face covering I've found so far.

The other thing-the focus should be on individuals protecting themselves rather through their use of PPE, rather than making an attempt to protect others. I can protect myself much more effectively than I can protect someone else.

What the ---- does any of that have to do with the scientific refutation of your claim that masks don't "meaningfully reduce risk?" If you want to know "what kind of mask," read the studies i linked to. Your blathering for paragraphs about your favorite neck gaiter proves NOTHING.

#81 | Posted by JOE at 2020-10-01 04:11 PM | Reply

- a Mammut neck gaiter.

Well, that figures. If it's a mostly polyester material, it's pretty worthless.

www.cnbc.com

#82 | Posted by Corky at 2020-10-01 04:46 PM | Reply

Obviously the coach was dead wrong. Real super healthy people don't get sick.

#83 | Posted by Ray at 2020-10-01 04:55 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

You are just way too easy, Ray....

super healthy person dies of covid

people.com

#84 | Posted by Corky at 2020-10-01 05:03 PM | Reply

Sorry Corky. Dying of covid defies the definition of super healthy.
And frankly, I'm sure he died of something else. Respiratory diseases have similar symptoms.
My initial guess is that he played to the point of exhaustion. His body gave out.

#85 | Posted by Ray at 2020-10-01 05:09 PM | Reply

- frankly, I'm sure he died of something else.

Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn what you think compared to what people who actually know what they are talking about think. Many otherwise very healthy people have succumbed to this specific virus, as any actual medical scientist will tell you.

Perhaps if you put your tin foil hat back on, these thoughts will disappear.

#86 | Posted by Corky at 2020-10-01 05:16 PM | Reply

If you fly into Frankfurt Airport, you can get a free COVID test at the terminal. I'm not sure why everyone isn't doing something similar.
#76 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

You're... not sure why we're not doing that? Okay.
Do you think the Trump administration has provided answers as to why we're not doing that?
Do you think you can research those answers and inform yourself as to why we're not doing that?

#87 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-10-01 05:29 PM | Reply

COVID has killed a million people worldwide. Out of seven billion
Communism killed 75 times that many.
#25 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Not in less than a year, hence poor comparison.

Or were you just trolling?

#88 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-10-01 05:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

There are probably a lot of public places where masks are a good idea, but being required to wear a mask while riding a bicycle would be pretty stupid.
#80 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

It's a very good idea, provided you're riding your bicycle in a crowded public space, like say down by the beach here in San Diego.
If you're out in the middle of nowhere with noone outside your bubble around, then yeah, who cares about a mask?
Sensible people can figure these kinds of things out, simply by choosing not to be stupid. Maybe look into it?

#89 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-10-01 05:34 PM | Reply

"Communism killed 75 times that many."

Does this mean we are not counting CHINA VIRUS deaths as COMMUNISM deaths?
CAPITALISM deaths, then?

#90 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-10-01 05:36 PM | Reply

Many otherwise very healthy people have succumbed to this specific virus, as any actual medical scientist will tell you.

You're have a problem with the definition of the word "healthy".
By the fact that this "super-healthy" college student suddenly died, proves that the experts were wrong.

#91 | Posted by Ray at 2020-10-01 05:54 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

From today's county update, Ray:

The underlying medical condition reported Sept. 29 of a 29-year-old female who died from COVID-19 has been reclassified from "pending" to "no underlying medical conditions."

www.countynewscenter.com

#92 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-10-01 07:35 PM | Reply

Snoofy

I have 78 years experience with my body. When I was young, I continued to exercise through sickness. Then I got the flu which turned into pneumonia and I was hospitalized. That taught me to pay attention to what my body is telling me. Most people ignore the warning signs until something serious happens.

I haven't had as much as a cold in years. When I did get a cold, I stop exercising, got a lot of rest and sleep. Stay hydrated. Eat lightly or fast. Never take medication. The idea is to free my body's energy reserves to rid itself of the infection. I do the same when I feel a cold coming on until the feeling goes away.

Our bodies have the power to remain healthy throughout life. Disease is a sign of neglect and abuse.

#93 | Posted by Ray at 2020-10-01 08:11 PM | Reply

This is where anecdote becomes evidence of science for Ray.

Which is totally unsurprising.

#94 | Posted by Corky at 2020-10-01 08:17 PM | Reply

"Our bodies have the power to remain healthy throughout life."

Then what's death?

#95 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-10-01 08:21 PM | Reply

= what's death?

www.youtube.com

#96 | Posted by Corky at 2020-10-01 08:24 PM | Reply

Then what's death?

Breaking news! Death follows life!

#97 | Posted by Ray at 2020-10-01 08:26 PM | Reply

Death Ain't No Big Deal

Unlike life, death is totally painless. I guarantee it.

#98 | Posted by Ray at 2020-10-01 08:27 PM | Reply

Why do people die, if "our bodies have the power to remain healthy throughout life?"

#99 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-10-01 08:28 PM | Reply

- I guarantee it.

In fool's gold, one presumes.

#100 | Posted by Corky at 2020-10-01 08:28 PM | Reply

This is where anecdote becomes evidence of science for Ray.

My body is never wrong. Never!

#101 | Posted by Ray at 2020-10-01 08:29 PM | Reply

My body is never wrong. Never!
#101 | POSTED BY RAY

Now do someone with sickle cell.

#102 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-10-01 08:30 PM | Reply

#101

Facetiousness is the second to last refuge of a scoundrel, right after patriotism.

#103 | Posted by Corky at 2020-10-01 08:32 PM | Reply

Why do people die, if "our bodies have the power to remain healthy throughout life?"

IMO, it has to do with the balance of energy. It diminishes as we age. Part of staying healthy is in reducing physical activity as I've gotten older. For example, I still lift weights and I haven't lost much strength. But I allow a day or two between workouts. I now walk three miles instead of jogging three miles.

#104 | Posted by Ray at 2020-10-01 08:41 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Now do someone with sickle cell.

It's my understanding, it's a defensive measure against malaria.

#105 | Posted by Ray at 2020-10-01 08:45 PM | Reply

- Now do someone with sickle cell.

Sickle cell is a BS disease! It's for low-energy people! - Raystradumbus

#106 | Posted by Corky at 2020-10-01 08:45 PM | Reply

Poor Ray. What does he engineer?

Besides stupid posts, I mean.

#107 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2020-10-01 08:49 PM | Reply

That settles the matter. Anyone who disagrees with the DR left is stupid.

#108 | Posted by Ray at 2020-10-01 08:53 PM | Reply

It's my understanding, it's a defensive measure against malaria.
#105 | POSTED BY RAY

Let's advance your understanding, then.
Sickle cell is an inherited trait.
Having no sickle cell alleles provides no defense against malaria.
Having one sickle cell allele provides a defense against malaria.
Having two sickle cell alleles... gives you sickle cell disease.

So, how is that possible, if "our bodies have the power to remain healthy throughout life?"

#109 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-10-01 09:17 PM | Reply

Obviously the coach was dead wrong. Real super healthy people don't get sick.

I don't know whether this is more stupid medically or semantically. You can be in great health before contracting a novel virus that makes you sick. It doesn't mean you weren't healthy before you got it.

Super healthy people died in the Spanish flu pandemic and some have died in this one. Look up cytokine storm.

#110 | Posted by rcade at 2020-10-01 09:24 PM | Reply

Let's just hope Hope pulls this one out, unlike the super healthy athlete (that picture of him dunking made my heart sink).

Although, it's sad she chose to put herself back in this position. She had her out, was out, and she walked herself right back in. No one to blame but herself, in that case. Well, maybe one of the Trump kids. Did you see them sitting next to each other without masks at the debate? I wonder if they do contact tracing in the White House. I just went to Round Table pizza and ate inside for the first time in months. They had a sign in sheet for contact tracing. It would amaze me that a pizza parlor would conduct contact tracing and the WH would not.

#111 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-10-01 09:37 PM | Reply

#111 the County (or possibly state) makes them do contact tracing.
The Executive Branch probably won't be under any such rule, since who would issue it?

#112 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-10-01 09:38 PM | Reply

Super healthy people died in the Spanish flu pandemic and some have died in this one. Look up cytokine storm.

Not true. It was the first time soldiers were mass vaccinated. The Spanish flu was an afterthought to deflect responsibility away from its proponents.
Despite the massive propaganda, it's biologically impossible for vaccines to stimulate immunity. They are poisonous.

I don't know whether this is more stupid medically or semantically.

You are arguing with me over the meaning of healthy. The student was believed to be healthy. His death proves the experts were wrong. The experts are not infallible.
What I see in this story is an intention to drive up the level of fear. The message is healthy people are not safe. That's nonsense.

I don't expect to change your mind.

I'm done for the night.

#113 | Posted by Ray at 2020-10-01 10:03 PM | Reply

it's biologically impossible for vaccines to stimulate immunity. They are poisonous.

I guess that's why polio is basically gone, right?

#114 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2020-10-01 10:07 PM | Reply

- The student was believed to be healthy. His death proves the experts were wrong.

F'in' hilarious.

So, healthy people never contract a disease that kills them? How bizarre.

#115 | Posted by Corky at 2020-10-01 10:08 PM | Reply

I'm done for the night.

Thank goodness. What a loon. Jeez.

#116 | Posted by YAV at 2020-10-01 10:10 PM | Reply

"What the ---- does any of that have to do with the scientific refutation of your claim that masks don't "meaningfully reduce risk?" If you want to know "what kind of mask," read the studies i linked to."

I did. It just said "masks." The Bloomberg piece referenced "face" masks. Like I said, a piece of toilet paper covering your mouth and nose would fit that description

I have no doubt that wearing a mask does something, but if it were such a game changer, why are people just now being forced to wear them? Over the last decade the common flu has resulted in more than four million hospitalizations and 337k deaths. Extrapolating from the numbers you provided, that number would have been cut in half.

#117 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-10-02 12:31 AM | Reply

"Sensible people can figure these kinds of things out, simply by choosing not to be stupid. Maybe look into it?"

I agree, but it's very difficult to include a "common sense" component to legislation.

This is from the LiveScience article posted by Joe:

"The IHME model, which the White House frequently cited early in the pandemic, now forecasts another 134,854 deaths in the U.S. from the coronavirus by December, which would bring the total to 295,011. But if, starting now, 95% of people in the U.S. wore masks every time they stepped foot out of their homes, the total number of projected deaths would drop 49% to 228,271, the scientists found."

Presumably, that would include driving in a car, riding a bike, walking, jogging, skydiving, wakeboarding, and swimming.

Joe Biden has stated he would use his executive power as president to make everyone wear a mask in public. Does that mean we can expect life guards to ticket maskless swimmers, or ski patrol to ticket maskless skiers?

#118 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-10-02 12:36 AM | Reply

"So, healthy people never contract a disease that kills them? How bizarre."

No, they do. Even super healthy ones like this man.

According to doctors, he was a 1 in 10,000,000 case. With 330 million people in the US, we can expect 32 more.

I don't know anyone who has died of COVID, but the one co-worker I know who did have it was hospitalized, and he was super-healthy. He's a pilot, but for years he was on the fence as to whether or not he wanted to continue flying or move over in special operations.

No one is at zero risk of being affected by COVID. There are just different levels of risk.

#119 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-10-02 12:42 AM | Reply

"Ummmm no."
Ummmm yes. From the article:
"Dorrill's mother released a statement though the team. "The doctors said that Chad is the rarest 1-10,000,000 case but if it can happen to a super healthy 19-year old boy who doesn't smoke, vape or do drugs, it can happen to anyone," Susan Dorrill said, according to WFMY."

#13 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

I don't give a ---- what the kid's mom says.

#120 | Posted by jpw at 2020-10-02 10:17 AM | Reply

And what am I supposed to glean from your kff link showing the deaths per 100,000 people for teens in 2017?

#14 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Now that I give a ---- about. It was a top search result for "teens covid mortality" so I didn't look as closely as I should have. That's my bad.

#121 | Posted by jpw at 2020-10-02 10:18 AM | Reply

"For uniformed service members it definitely is."

No it's not; not when you've already used 100% of your number in the denominator. Your methodology sucks, and it's leading you to an incorrect conclusion.

Whatever rate you're claiming, it's wrong by tomorrow, and has only one direction to go: UP.

#122 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-10-02 11:24 AM | Reply

For uniformed service members it definitely is

He's still pushing this stupid angle?

#123 | Posted by jpw at 2020-10-03 12:12 AM | Reply

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