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Wednesday, September 30, 2020

When a man pulled a shotgun out from under a long coat and started shooting into a church congregation near Fort Worth, Texas, last winter, Jack Wilson didn't hesitate.

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How was this even a question!

#1 | Posted by jpw at 2020-09-30 03:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

The guard did his job.

Were people hoping he'd go to prison?

#2 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-09-30 03:20 PM | Reply

@#1

That was my thought as well.

#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-09-30 03:24 PM | Reply

A church finding it worthwhile to have an armed "Volunteer Security Guard" is what losing the war on gun violence looks like.

A church.

#4 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-09-30 03:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

This was Texas. How did the investigation even get beyond the deputies on the scene not to mention to a grand jury?

#5 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2020-09-30 04:23 PM | Reply

#5 Maybe the good guy with a gun was black?

#6 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-09-30 04:32 PM | Reply

The victim/perp was white.

#7 | Posted by bored at 2020-09-30 06:23 PM | Reply

Unarmed People were actively being murdered by a mad gunman who ambushed them in church.

This is a textbook example of defending the lives of others while not putting your own life at risk.

#8 | Posted by Tor at 2020-09-30 06:45 PM | Reply

#7 Maybe the good guy with the gun did the DA's daughter?

#9 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-09-30 07:11 PM | Reply

This was Texas. How did the investigation even get beyond the deputies on the scene not to mention to a grand jury?

It's common in Texas to take these types of cases to a grand jury. That helps insulate the elected District Attorney from any political fallout.

#10 | Posted by et_al at 2020-09-30 08:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#10 | Posted by et_al

I hear you - but it's TEXAS...

#11 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2020-09-30 08:22 PM | Reply

#10 So it's political theater.

Great use of the justice system, Texas!

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-09-30 08:26 PM | Reply

A church finding it worthwhile to have an armed "Volunteer Security Guard" is what losing the war on gun violence looks like.

Having someone go to shoot up innocents is what losing the culture wars looks like.

#13 | Posted by boaz at 2020-10-01 08:43 AM | Reply

Having someone go to shoot up innocents is what losing the culture wars looks like.

#13 | Posted by boaz at 2020-10-01 08:43 AM

Indeed. Imagine if that man had had access to affordable or free mental health care and a robust background checking system had restricted access to a person with applicable mental health issues to firearms?

#14 | Posted by SunTzuMeow at 2020-10-01 09:14 AM | Reply

Having someone go to shoot up innocents is what losing the culture wars looks like.

#13 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Welcome to Trumplandia.

The shooting occurred Dec 29th, 2019.

Under Trumpy's watch. In Trumpy's America

You built this "Culture War".

#15 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-10-01 09:19 AM | Reply

Said it before, I'll say it again:
-if you are afraid of dying while in The Lord's house, you are doing religion wrong
-if you have to bring a gun to church, you are attending the wrong church

To that I'll add this: if you need an armed guard while attending church, stay home--God's there and will understand...

#16 | Posted by catdog at 2020-10-01 06:04 PM | Reply

Having someone go to shoot up innocents is what losing the culture wars looks like.

The easy availability of guns is the biggest reason mass shootings occur. Blaming them on "culture wars" is as weak as blaming videogames.

#17 | Posted by rcade at 2020-10-01 08:41 PM | Reply

Jack Wilson was there officially as church security and ended that mass shooting six seconds after it began. It was an amazing feat of heroism and composure.

#18 | Posted by rcade at 2020-10-01 08:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"It was an amazing feat of heroism and composure."

What a delightfully American spin, to put on a shooting, in a church!

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-10-01 09:11 PM | Reply

The easy availability of guns is the biggest reason mass shootings occur

The homicidal behaviour of individual people is the biggest reason mass shootings occur.

#20 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2020-10-01 09:20 PM | Reply

Homicidal people armed with bananas can't spree kill.

#21 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2020-10-01 09:22 PM | Reply

"Japan has some of the strictest gun laws in the world and experiences 100 or fewer gun deaths per year in a population of over 127 million and a gun death rate of . 06 deaths per 100,000 people."

How do words on a piece of paper reduce the homicidal urge in Japanese people?

#22 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-10-01 09:23 PM | Reply

The homicidal behaviour of individual people is the biggest reason mass shootings occur.

Yet only one of these is physically mandatory in order for a mass shooting to occur.

You can have all the homicidal intent in the universe, but without an actual gun one cannot commit a mass shooting.

#23 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-10-01 09:26 PM | Reply

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

How do the above words on a piece of paper cause Americans to become homicidal maniacs, at a much higher rate than anywhere else in the modern world?

#24 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-10-01 09:31 PM | Reply

The homicidal behaviour [sic] of individual people is the biggest reason [attempted mass killings] occur.
#20 | POSTED BY MAO_CONTENT

FTFY!

Mass shootings, numerically, seem to hold an American bias.

#25 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-10-01 09:33 PM | Reply

Mass shootings, numerically, seem to hold an American bias

And mass stabbings, numerically, seem to hold a UK one.

And suicide bombings, numerically, seem to hold a SW Asian one.

The homicidal behaviour of individual people is the biggest reason mass shootings occur.

#26 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2020-10-01 09:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The homicidal behaviour of individual people is the biggest reason mass shootings occur."

How exactly did you arrive at that conclusion?

#27 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-10-01 09:41 PM | Reply

"And suicide bombings, numerically, seem to hold a SW Asian one."

9/11 much?
Or are you counting Saudi Arabia as SW Asia...

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-10-01 09:42 PM | Reply

How do the above words on a piece of paper cause Americans to become homicidal maniacs, at a much higher rate than anywhere else in the modern world?

Jeg vet ikke :(

Sincerely,

~Anders Breivik

#29 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2020-10-01 09:44 PM | Reply

You're calling Breivik a maniac?
For what, defending the racial purity of his country from liberals?
He's just like you, but with a spine.

#30 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-10-01 09:47 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

The ability to kill a very large number of people in a very small amount of time before with weapons designed only for that purpose is the biggest reason mass shootings are so successful.

#31 | Posted by Corky at 2020-10-01 09:48 PM | Reply

How exactly did you arrive at that conclusion?

I'm far more interested in understanding the extraordinarily -------- mental gymnastics one must employ to not arrive at that conclusion.

Did your Mommy send you to a Montessori school when you were little?

#32 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2020-10-01 09:48 PM | Reply

before help arrives

#33 | Posted by Corky at 2020-10-01 09:50 PM | Reply

Snoofy,

When Mommy makes her unemployed, smart, Progressive boy a Hot Pocket for lunch and Snoofy bites into it too quickly and burns the roof of his mouth.....

Is it Snoofy's fault? Or is the Hot Pocket Corporation's fault?

#34 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2020-10-01 09:52 PM | Reply

When snoofy eats a hot pocket it doesn't kill 15 people in minutes.

What a terrible analogy you've made. You should be ashamed.

#35 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2020-10-01 09:54 PM | Reply

"I'm far more interested in understanding the extraordinarily -------- mental gymnastics one must employ to not arrive at that conclusion."

It's pretty easy.
First you start with humans.
Next, you look at the incredible many-orders-of-magnitude variation in gun homicide rates by geographical boundaries called "countries."
Then, you realize that variance is unlikely to be explained by intrinsic factors with the humans themselves.
Finally, you notice the correlation between gun prevalence and gun violence prevalence, which does a much better job explaining the geographical (country) level variations than any sort of purported intrinsic (and unmeasured) propensity for homicidal tendencies on a national level.

How'd you get to your conclusion?

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-10-01 09:58 PM | Reply

When snoofy eats a hot pocket it doesn't kill 15 people in minutes

But it burns the roof of his mouth and causes a negative outcome. Because Snoofy was a dumbass and made a poor choice. His behaviour and choices resulted in an inanimate object causing harm.

That's the premise.

The homicidal behaviour of individual people is the biggest reason mass shootings occur.

#37 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2020-10-01 10:05 PM | Reply

Next, you look at the incredible many-orders-of-magnitude variation in gun homicide rates by geographical boundaries called "countries."

Why not just look at "homicide" rates?

#38 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2020-10-01 10:06 PM | Reply

First you start with humans.
Next, you look at the incredible many-orders-of-magnitude variation in stabbing homicide rates by geographical boundaries called "countries."
Then, you realize that variance is unlikely to be explained by intrinsic factors with the humans themselves.
Finally, you notice the correlation between machete prevalence and machete violence prevalence, which does a much better job explaining the geographical (country) level variations than any sort of purported intrinsic (and unmeasured) propensity for homicidal tendencies on a national level.

Would the above work?

Asking for a Rwandan friend.

#39 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2020-10-01 10:15 PM | Reply

The homicidal behavior of individual people is the biggest reason individual killings occur.

The ability for homicidal people to kill a very large number of people in a very small amount of time is due to the easy access of weapons designed only for that purpose and is the biggest reason mass shootings occur.

#40 | Posted by Corky at 2020-10-01 10:16 PM | Reply

Snoofy,

Honestly, this is a stupid ------- discussion. You people lost this argument 40 years ago.

You need to learn how to function in a country with legal firearms---or otherwise move somewhere else.

#41 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2020-10-01 10:19 PM | Reply

You need to learn how to function in a country with legal firearms---or otherwise move somewhere else.
#41 | POSTED BY MAO_CONTENT

It's the illegal ones that seem to be a far more significant issue. However, almost all illegal guns were once legal.

So, why don't you folks figure out a way to contain that and take on some accountability of the situation we are now in. There has to be a better way and that's the main contention coming from the Left. Has less to do with "we're coming fur yuh gunz" and far more to do with "lock your ---- up or face the ------- consequences, you ----!"

#42 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-10-01 10:22 PM | Reply

The ability for homicidal people to kill a very large number of people in a very small amount of time is due to the easy access of weapons designed only for that purpose and is the biggest reason mass shootings occur.

There are tens of millions of semi-automatic rifles in private possession in the US and in use every day.

If "killing large numbers of people" were the purpose of their use, you'd know it.

That's a stupid ------- argument, and it's demonstrably incorrect.

#43 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2020-10-01 10:24 PM | Reply

So, why don't you folks figure out a way to contain that and take on some accountability of the situation we are now in.

I'd suggest working with the demographic group most responsible for violent, gun-related homicides in the US.

Right now, they're in your wheelhouse, not mine.

LBJ said he'd having them voting for ya'll for the next 200 years----and that was 50+ years ago. You got some work to do.

Suggest you focus on de-coupling them from the welfare state, emphasis on community solutions to behavior and the importance of a nuclear family, and otherwise stop pushing the narrative that everything wrong in their lives is the fault of someone else.

Are the votes you get year after year from them really worth the dysfunction and violence you created but pretend to decry?

#44 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2020-10-01 10:33 PM | Reply

#43

What then, is the purpose of their use? That is undeniably what they were and are designed to do.

You know, what purpose besides shooting up junk pick-ups on weekends... and as phallic symbols among under-educated Trump voters?

They are not needed for self defense, home defense, or hunting. They were designed to kill many people quickly, and that's what happens when a homicidal person gets one.

- demonstrably incorrect.

Would be the stupid ------- argument that because the NRA bought and paid for Scalia to change 200 years of judicial history in a most non-conservative way 40 years ago, that there is no arguing about it.

Or the stupid ------- argument that some people are so bad with a gun that they can't defend themselves with shotguns, rifles, or pistols and need a military assault rifle.

#45 | Posted by Corky at 2020-10-01 10:33 PM | Reply

- they're in your wheelhouse, not mine.

Not even close.

"Two later draft versions of the same document " all of which were reviewed by POLITICO " describe the threat from white supremacists in slightly different language. But all three drafts describe the threat from white supremacists as the deadliest domestic terror threat facing the U.S., listed above the immediate danger from foreign terrorist groups."

www.politico.com

#46 | Posted by Corky at 2020-10-01 10:36 PM | Reply

#44 |

Goalposts moved from "mass shootings" to black neighborhood crime noted.

#47 | Posted by Corky at 2020-10-01 10:38 PM | Reply

Goalposts moved from "mass shootings" to black neighborhood crime noted.

The goalposts sit, as they always have, on the chalk-line labelled "gun violence".

#48 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2020-10-01 10:46 PM | Reply

Two later draft versions of the same document " all of which were reviewed by POLITICO " describe the threat from white supremacists in slightly different language. But all three drafts describe the threat from white supremacists as the deadliest domestic terror threat facing the U.S., listed above the immediate danger from foreign terrorist groups."

That's nice.

What demographic is responsible for the disproportionate amount of gun violence in the US?

Or simple violence, for that matter.

#49 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2020-10-01 10:48 PM | Reply

What then, is the purpose of their use?

Practically?

Home defense.
Wild Pigs.
Antifa (See Kyle Rittenhouse).
A Federal Government that gets too big for its britches

Philosophically?

I don't need "purpose" for them. They are what they are.

As noted above, the homicidal behaviour of individual people is the biggest reason mass shootings (or gun violence in general) occur.

#50 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2020-10-01 10:54 PM | Reply

- The homicidal behaviour of individual people is the biggest reason mass shootings occur.

#20 | POSTED BY MAO

So, you want to talk about gun violence in general now?

OK, I guess.

But the demographic responsible for mass shootings and terror attacks is white supremacists.

"More people"49"were murdered by far-right extremists in the U.S. last year than in any other year since the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995. FBI Director Christopher Wray told Congress in July that a majority of the bureau's domestic-terrorism investigations since October were linked to white supremacy."

time.com

You know, like the Proud Boys that REALLY proud now that Trump told the to, "stand by".

#51 | Posted by Corky at 2020-10-01 11:00 PM | Reply

What a delightfully American spin, to put on a shooting, in a church!

You would have preferred the security guard not stop a mass shooting that had already claimed two lives in six seconds?

I hate the gun insanity of this country but I can still acknowledge an act of heroism.

#52 | Posted by rcade at 2020-10-01 11:03 PM | Reply

- Home defense.

There are places that will teach you how to shoot well enough to do that without needing an assault rifle.

- Wild Pigs.

The Trump family should be off-limits... except when in season.

- Antifa (See Kyle Rittenhouse).

People who are more concerned about a handful of overactive anti-fascists than they are about a segment of the population that tolerates white supremacist nationalists have already shown their true colors... you know, brown boots, funny white hats.

- A Federal Government that gets too big for its britches

When the AK'ers take on the US Air Force, I hope to have ringside seat.

- I don't need "purpose" for them.

Sorry, man. But it's not about you. It's about the design and purpose of the weapon... as noted above.

#53 | Posted by Corky at 2020-10-01 11:07 PM | Reply

= That's what we've been talking about all along.

- The homicidal behaviour of individual people is the biggest reason mass shootings occur.
#20 | POSTED BY MAO

But I repeat yourself.

We've were discussing your claim about the, "biggest reason mass shootings occur".

If you want to change the subject, well OK, I guess.

#55 | Posted by Corky at 2020-10-01 11:14 PM | Reply

There are places that will teach you how to shoot well enough to do that without needing an assault rifle.

There also also places that teach you how to shoot even better and more effectively with 30 rounds of hate to bring to the table.

People who are more concerned about a handful of overactive anti-fascists than they are about a segment of the population that tolerates white supremacist nationalists have already shown their true colors... you know, brown boots, funny white hats.

"Anti-fascists" are rioting in cities and burning down buildings. That's real. In the case of Kyle, they ------ around and found out.

When the AK'ers take on the US Air Force, I hope to have ringside seat.

There's a reason the US Air Force (or any other branch of the military) will ever have to deal with that scenario. :)

#56 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2020-10-01 11:15 PM | Reply

- 30 rounds of hate to bring to the table

That's not as much as Patrick Crusius the white nationalist in El Paso brought to the table when he killed 22 people at the Walmart.

- That's real.

It's not even close to the threat of whitey, according to the FBI and Homeland Security.

- There's a reason

You are truly a man of mystery. Bravo.

#57 | Posted by Corky at 2020-10-01 11:22 PM | Reply

"Law-enforcement officials say the cancer of white nationalism has metastasized across social media and the dark corners of the Internet, creating a copycat effect in which aspiring killers draw inspiration and seek to outdo one another.

The suspect in El Paso was at least the third this year to post a manifesto on the online message forum 8chan before logging off to commit mass murder. More people were killed that day in El Paso than all 14 service members killed this year on the battlefields in Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria."

from the Time article linked above. interesting reading

#58 | Posted by Corky at 2020-10-01 11:28 PM | Reply

#56

ifunny.co

#59 | Posted by willowby at 2020-10-01 11:36 PM | Reply

I'd suggest working with the demographic group most responsible for violent, gun-related homicides in the US.
Right now, they're in your wheelhouse, not mine.

Funny you say that, because that's exactly what I'm working to do, and earning a living doing it.

LBJ said he'd having them voting for ya'll for the next 200 years----and that was 50+ years ago. You got some work to do.

I'm not sure what you're referring to. Can you link or at least indulge further?

Suggest you focus on de-coupling them from the welfare state, emphasis on community solutions to behavior and the importance of a nuclear family, and otherwise stop pushing the narrative that everything wrong in their lives is the fault of someone else.

Holy ----! That's exactly what we're doing! Right in the face of a very clear variable of systemic bias/racism/misconduct that mitigates progress for a signficant portion of this population. You see, not only have I dedicated my career to serving this population in the precise way you describe should be done, I've also earned a master's degree studying this population specific to the San Diego region.

Not only are you right, we've developed evidenced based policy specific to the narrative you lay out. Yet, still, the narrative requires truth. And systemic racism is part of that truth, which I've studied, researched, written about, and now spread awareness of. I work with numerous law enforcement that support this curriculum and method because they also recognize the system is biased against certain groups.

The devil is in the details and unless you're previewed to them, you have no clue how evil the system can be, yet the beauty of angels within law enforcement ensuring juveniles are not further victimized.

Care for a tour? I'd be happy to show you what you should consider ignorance.
Are the votes you get year after year from them really worth the dysfunction and violence you created but pretend to decry?
#44 | POSTED BY MAO_CONTENT

#60 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-10-02 12:46 AM | Reply

MAO_CONTECT:

I'll reformat for better conext:

I'd suggest working with the demographic group most responsible for violent, gun-related homicides in the US.
Right now, they're in your wheelhouse, not mine.

Funny you say that, because that's exactly what I'm working to do, and earning a living doing it.

LBJ said he'd having them voting for ya'll for the next 200 years----and that was 50+ years ago. You got some work to do.

I'm not sure what you're referring to. Can you link or at least indulge further?

Suggest you focus on de-coupling them from the welfare state, emphasis on community solutions to behavior and the importance of a nuclear family, and otherwise stop pushing the narrative that everything wrong in their lives is the fault of someone else.

Holy ----! That's exactly what we're doing! Right in the face of a very clear variable of systemic bias/racism/misconduct that mitigates progress for a significant portion of this population. You see, not only have I dedicated my career to serving this population in the precise way you describe should be done, I've also earned a master's degree studying this population specific to the San Diego region.

You right, we've developed evidenced based policy specific to the narrative you lay out. Yet, still, the narrative requires truth. And systemic racism is part of that truth, which I've studied, researched, written about, and now spread awareness of.

I work with numerous law enforcement that support this curriculum and method because they also recognize the system is biased against certain groups. The devil is in the details and unless you're previewed to them, you have no clue how evil the system can be, yet the beauty of certain angels within law enforcement ensuring juveniles are not further victimized exists and I wish to highlight exactly that.

Care for a tour? I'd be happy to show you how nave you are.

Are the votes you get year after year from them really worth the dysfunction and violence you created but pretend to decry?
#44 | POSTED BY MAO_CONTENT

I've stood (in attempt and with significant success over time) as being a force of criminal justice reform that ideally influences our society to require a level of equality that disjoints nonwhites from a biased justice system, an impact that notoriously has a negative effect upon peoples' economic and capitalistic potential.

Are you willing to acknowledge the systemic racism tied to the justice system? If not, I'm comfortable regarding our conversation as 'Two ships passing in the night.' I've already lost the battel in terms of BOAZ's opinion, simply because he chooses ignorance. Hope you don't do the same.

Cheers.

#61 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-10-02 01:06 AM | Reply

The goalposts sit, as they always have, on the chalk-line labelled "gun violence".
#48 | POSTED BY MAO_CONTENT

So we're not doing machetes anymore?

#62 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-10-02 01:35 PM | Reply

"What demographic is responsible for the disproportionate amount of gun violence in the US?"

Gun owners.

#63 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-10-02 01:36 PM | Reply

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