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Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Wednesday, October 07, 2020

Seated 12 feet apart, Vice President Mike Pence and his Democratic rival, Sen. Kamala Harris of California, will meet in Utah at 9 p.m. ET on Wednesday night for the only vice presidential debate of the campaign.

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The Pence Fence is quite impressive.

Should contain any of Pence's TrumpVirus cooties while also preventing Mikey from succumbing to Kamala's feminine wiles.

Mother will be pleased with the latter. She's probably less keen on subverting Divine Will on the biblical plague thing, though.

#1 | Posted by censored at 2020-10-07 08:35 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Pence is kind of a ghost VP... never really see him, just hear him sometimes moving around in the attic and talking to himself.

Wonder if the debate will be Holloween-ish, you know kinda Spooky?

www.youtube.com

#2 | Posted by Corky at 2020-10-07 08:40 PM | Reply

Why is Mike Pence translucent?

#3 | Posted by LostAngeles at 2020-10-07 08:45 PM | Reply

Did Pence test conscious prior to coming on stage?

#4 | Posted by Corky at 2020-10-07 09:01 PM | Reply

He refused to take that one...

#5 | Posted by LostAngeles at 2020-10-07 09:03 PM | Reply

Mamala's gonna take care of business.

#6 | Posted by LostAngeles at 2020-10-07 09:06 PM | Reply

Where's your mask? WTF!!

#7 | Posted by uncle_meat at 2020-10-07 09:07 PM | Reply

Good kayRIST. ... Just answer the question Kama.

#8 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2020-10-07 09:09 PM | Reply

I'm sure Pence will be right on point...

#9 | Posted by LostAngeles at 2020-10-07 09:10 PM | Reply

No interruptions! How refreshing!

#10 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-10-07 09:10 PM | Reply

He sure can lie with a straight face.

#11 | Posted by LostAngeles at 2020-10-07 09:11 PM | Reply

Mamala be kickin' some Pence butt already.

And Pence has been infected by Trump's lying disease.

#12 | Posted by Corky at 2020-10-07 09:12 PM | Reply

She left some apple slices in the green room for you Mike.

#13 | Posted by LostAngeles at 2020-10-07 09:13 PM | Reply

Dude looks really paste

#14 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2020-10-07 09:13 PM | Reply

Yeah. He looks like that with makeup on?

#15 | Posted by LostAngeles at 2020-10-07 09:14 PM | Reply

I love her smile!

#16 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-10-07 09:15 PM | Reply

Thoughts and prayers!

Pence claiming it was the American people's fault?

#17 | Posted by Corky at 2020-10-07 09:15 PM | Reply

He's just gonna keep talking until everybody else leaves the room.

#18 | Posted by LostAngeles at 2020-10-07 09:15 PM | Reply

Pence refuses to answer why the WH event didn't require masks.

#19 | Posted by Corky at 2020-10-07 09:17 PM | Reply

Thoughts & Prayers!

#20 | Posted by SunTzuMeow at 2020-10-07 09:17 PM | Reply

Blabbermouth Pence won't follow the rules either.

#21 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-10-07 09:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I'm taking a drink every time Mike Pants says "the American people," and I' m arleady get ti n fit shaced

#22 | Posted by cbob at 2020-10-07 09:17 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"We didn't need masks because we're covered in Jesus' blood,"

#23 | Posted by LostAngeles at 2020-10-07 09:18 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Paste Pence, some fresh lies, and talk of clusters - - this is some regular GOPorn

#24 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2020-10-07 09:19 PM | Reply

That's a smile? It looks like she just learned her wig hasn't slipped yet.
#smirk

#25 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2020-10-07 09:20 PM | Reply

Don't hate.

She looks swell and Mike Pence's neck waddle looks like the stranger things monster.

#26 | Posted by LostAngeles at 2020-10-07 09:21 PM | Reply

Swine Flu deflection HAHAHAHAHAHA

#27 | Posted by SunTzuMeow at 2020-10-07 09:22 PM | Reply

See, just as I predicted

Obama almost killed Americans with the swine flue

- - jefftoecentreberly

#28 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2020-10-07 09:22 PM | Reply

"If the civil war was as lethal as world war 5 i'd be king of space by now,"

-Mikey

#29 | Posted by LostAngeles at 2020-10-07 09:22 PM | Reply

Joe called me me me..blah blah
Answer the damn question.

#30 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2020-10-07 09:23 PM | Reply

I bet in real life Kamala and Mike are like same polarity magnets. They can't even touch each other or get near one another.

#31 | Posted by LostAngeles at 2020-10-07 09:25 PM | Reply

Prayers and prayers!

Transparent prayers!

#32 | Posted by Corky at 2020-10-07 09:25 PM | Reply

Very civil Pence . thank you

#33 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2020-10-07 09:26 PM | Reply

Pence has to be back to the department store by midnight.

So he can be stored with the other mannequins.

#34 | Posted by LostAngeles at 2020-10-07 09:28 PM | Reply

Don't lay the egg Kama.. Lolol

#35 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2020-10-07 09:28 PM | Reply

Mamala is a smiling, happy camper.

Pence looks like Yogi Bear just took his lunch basket.

#36 | Posted by Corky at 2020-10-07 09:29 PM | Reply

I'm secretly hoping Pence drops the n-bomb tonight.

I know it's not gonna happen but I can dream...

#37 | Posted by LostAngeles at 2020-10-07 09:31 PM | Reply

3 min for Kama

#38 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2020-10-07 09:31 PM | Reply

"The slowest economic recovery since the great depression,"

This -----' guy...

#39 | Posted by LostAngeles at 2020-10-07 09:33 PM | Reply

What is up with Pence's left eye? Is that just bloodshot?

#40 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2020-10-07 09:33 PM | Reply

It looks like he bit his lip on the right side.

But that might have been those hookers...

#41 | Posted by LostAngeles at 2020-10-07 09:34 PM | Reply

This might be insignificant but I don't like it that they have her face looking bigger than Pence. Same height as well.

#42 | Posted by eberly at 2020-10-07 09:35 PM | Reply

Pence is making me hate Race Bannon.

#43 | Posted by rcade at 2020-10-07 09:35 PM | Reply | Funny: 6

Race Bannon is a legend.

Don't sully his good name.

#44 | Posted by LostAngeles at 2020-10-07 09:36 PM | Reply

Has Pence been such a lying sack o' ----- the entire time?

Just turned it on and there was a few whoppers in there already.

#45 | Posted by jpw at 2020-10-07 09:38 PM | Reply

They're not lies.

They're alternate facts.

#46 | Posted by LostAngeles at 2020-10-07 09:39 PM | Reply

Ah yes, the 'Canadian Girlfriend" healthcare plan. Trust us, he's got it.

#47 | Posted by SunTzuMeow at 2020-10-07 09:40 PM | Reply

Gonna listen to the science on climate change. I'm dying here.

#48 | Posted by SunTzuMeow at 2020-10-07 09:40 PM | Reply

Pence: What Climate??

#49 | Posted by Corky at 2020-10-07 09:41 PM | Reply

Pence is spending so much time around a woman Mother must be furious.

#50 | Posted by rcade at 2020-10-07 09:41 PM | Reply

We'll fight climate change with forest raking.

Because Jesus told us to

#51 | Posted by LostAngeles at 2020-10-07 09:42 PM | Reply

Fact check the frack

#52 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2020-10-07 09:42 PM | Reply

She's 5'2". He's 5'10"

#53 | Posted by eberly at 2020-10-07 09:42 PM | Reply

FRACT CHECK!

#54 | Posted by LostAngeles at 2020-10-07 09:43 PM | Reply

What is up with Pence's left eye?

Yikes! Pink eye often a symptom of Covid-19 (April story):

www.webmd.com

#55 | Posted by rcade at 2020-10-07 09:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Pence will not talk about Climate Change.

#56 | Posted by Just_Joe at 2020-10-07 09:44 PM | Reply

Pence: "Existen...what?"

#57 | Posted by Corky at 2020-10-07 09:44 PM | Reply

"We're gonna listen to the science the vatican gives us on climate change,"

#58 | Posted by LostAngeles at 2020-10-07 09:45 PM | Reply

You gotta know Mike Pence just keeps writing "Look busy and keep to the talking points,"

#59 | Posted by LostAngeles at 2020-10-07 09:47 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Pence has not kept within his time limits one time

#60 | Posted by Just_Joe at 2020-10-07 09:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I SAID THANK YOU MR. VICE PRESIDENT!!!

#61 | Posted by LostAngeles at 2020-10-07 09:48 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

This debate really crystallizes the fact that Democrats are at disadvantage because they refuse to lie anywhere near as shamelessly as Republicans.

#62 | Posted by JOE at 2020-10-07 09:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Pence is spending so much time around a woman Mother must be furious.

POSTED BY RCADE AT 2020-10-07 09:41 PM | REPLY

Two of em. Double the trouble. One is the interogator even. Something Mother I'm sure does nightly before beddy time.

#63 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-10-07 09:49 PM | Reply

UM... your admin didn't play straight with the American people on COVID.

YOUR TIME IS UP, -------! - Mod

#64 | Posted by Corky at 2020-10-07 09:51 PM | Reply

We're gonna hold China accountable.

By making US consumers pay more for their goods!!!

#65 | Posted by LostAngeles at 2020-10-07 09:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Pence lies like only a good Chreestian can!

#66 | Posted by jpw at 2020-10-07 09:51 PM | Reply

Um, most female viewers aren't going to like Pence refusing to listen to Susan Page when she politely asks him to STFU. Just sayin'.

#67 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-10-07 09:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"This might be insignificant but I don't like it that they have her face looking bigger than Pence. Same height as well.
#42 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2020-10-07 09:35 PM | REPLY | FLAG"

I suspect the reason her head looks bigger is because she has a brain, something Pence does not have to carry around.

#68 | Posted by Foreigner at 2020-10-07 09:52 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Wow, she answered the question about China. Pence has not answered a straight question yet.

#69 | Posted by Just_Joe at 2020-10-07 09:53 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Susan needs to hit pence in the head with a kitchen timer when he goes over on time.

#70 | Posted by eberly at 2020-10-07 09:54 PM | Reply

Interesting how China is somehow Biden's fault. It apparently has nothing to do with decades long "c-c-conservative" economic and corporate policy of profits over all, even if it means firing all Americans and paying Chinese slaves pennies a day.

#71 | Posted by jpw at 2020-10-07 09:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Biden caused the recession and China. These are facts."

#72 | Posted by LostAngeles at 2020-10-07 09:56 PM | Reply

Is China gonna pay for Covid like Mexico paid for the wall?

#73 | Posted by SunTzuMeow at 2020-10-07 09:57 PM | Reply

Kama getting a headache or some kinda problem.

#74 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2020-10-07 09:57 PM | Reply

Ref #70 If she hit him on the head his makeup would crack like an egg.

#75 | Posted by Just_Joe at 2020-10-07 09:57 PM | Reply

BIN LADEN who?

#76 | Posted by SunTzuMeow at 2020-10-07 09:58 PM | Reply

THANK YOU VICE PRESIDENT PENCE!!!

#77 | Posted by LostAngeles at 2020-10-07 09:58 PM | Reply

Yet again, the moderators suck and have no control.

#78 | Posted by jpw at 2020-10-07 09:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Pence has total disrespect for Susan's authority as a moderator.

#79 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-10-07 09:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Back to orange mahn bad

#80 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2020-10-07 10:00 PM | Reply

The networks have got to crack down on this going over on time ----. Why have rules at all?

Enforce them.

#81 | Posted by eberly at 2020-10-07 10:00 PM | Reply

I keep waiting for giant hook to drag Pence from the stage.

#82 | Posted by Twinpac at 2020-10-07 10:00 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I hope she don't start crying.

#83 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2020-10-07 10:00 PM | Reply

Is China gonna pay for Covid like Mexico paid for the wall?

POSTED BY SUNTZUMEOW AT 2020-10-07 09:57 PM | REPLY

Trump was correct. Mexico is paying for the wall.

www.insider.com

US contractors are dropping heaps of taxpayer-funded border wall in Mexico where it's being sold as scrap metal

#84 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-10-07 10:01 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Oh damn, she went there: Suckers and Losers, Russian Bounties

#85 | Posted by SunTzuMeow at 2020-10-07 10:01 PM | Reply

Moderation needs to get more aggressive!

#86 | Posted by Just_Joe at 2020-10-07 10:01 PM | Reply

"15 seconds"

"I'm gonna need more time than that,"

"Too -----' bad,"

#87 | Posted by LostAngeles at 2020-10-07 10:01 PM | Reply

Pence against 2 women. Lol he better be quiet

#88 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2020-10-07 10:02 PM | Reply

I bet Pence's wife is happy to know she's not the only woman who Mike won't allow to finish.

#89 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2020-10-07 10:02 PM | Reply | Funny: 5 | Newsworthy 3

She finally steps in and makes Chris Wallace look like a ... feline.

#90 | Posted by Corky at 2020-10-07 10:02 PM | Reply

Susan, you're getting ------ live on national TV.

I hope you enjoy it.

Do something

#91 | Posted by eberly at 2020-10-07 10:03 PM | Reply

Pence doesn't want to talk about abortion.

#92 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-10-07 10:04 PM | Reply

89

Damn funny

#93 | Posted by eberly at 2020-10-07 10:04 PM | Reply

Would it matter? Pence just keeps on talking.

#94 | Posted by Twinpac at 2020-10-07 10:04 PM | Reply

What's funny too is watching Pence jerk his head around when he finally realizes what the conversation is about.

#95 | Posted by Corky at 2020-10-07 10:06 PM | Reply

Is it my TV or his Pence wearing Kamila's makeup?

#96 | Posted by Twinpac at 2020-10-07 10:08 PM | Reply

I knew he would not talk about pre existing conditions

#97 | Posted by Just_Joe at 2020-10-07 10:08 PM | Reply

I'm pro life and I don't apologize for it.

I'm also not gonna apologize for these flagrant lies.

#98 | Posted by LostAngeles at 2020-10-07 10:09 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Classic case of if you can't win by the rules, change the rules"

What a sanctimonious sack of ---- Pence is.

#99 | Posted by jpw at 2020-10-07 10:10 PM | Reply

I bet Pence's wife is happy to know she's not the only woman who Mike won't allow to finish.

POSTED BY JOHNNY_HOTSAUCE AT 2020-10-07 10:02 PM | REPLY

His winky is a very sad winky who doesn't even blink.

#100 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-10-07 10:11 PM | Reply

Pack the court loses the election for Biden.

#101 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2020-10-07 10:11 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Are you gonna pack the court or not??

#102 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2020-10-07 10:12 PM | Reply

#101

What?

#103 | Posted by LostAngeles at 2020-10-07 10:12 PM | Reply

Regular folks don't care about court-packing.

You guys just learned about it and your faux outrage is cute.

#104 | Posted by LostAngeles at 2020-10-07 10:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

She said she'll answer the packing the court question, bet she doesn't.

#105 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2020-10-07 10:14 PM | Reply

Speaking of packing courts....

Like McConnell is doing with lower Federal appointments?

#106 | Posted by SunTzuMeow at 2020-10-07 10:15 PM | Reply

#101, Why would she answer this question at this point in time?

#107 | Posted by Just_Joe at 2020-10-07 10:15 PM | Reply

Derek Chauvin: George Floyd murder suspect released from jail on $1m bail

www.bbc.com

#108 | Posted by Corky at 2020-10-07 10:15 PM | Reply

The color is flattering to Pence. Much better than his usual cadaver look.

#109 | Posted by Twinpac at 2020-10-07 10:16 PM | Reply

Nice way to turn a racist question around Pence.

#110 | Posted by boaz at 2020-10-07 10:17 PM | Reply

Pence is kicking Heels up Harris's ass..

#111 | Posted by boaz at 2020-10-07 10:17 PM | Reply

Don't make fun of skin color.

#112 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2020-10-07 10:17 PM | Reply

Seeing Mike Pence like this proves that there's a portrait in an attic somewhere that's been left in the sun.

I hope it gets covered back up before he turns completely into dust.

#113 | Posted by LostAngeles at 2020-10-07 10:18 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Is that a fly in Pence's hair?

#114 | Posted by boaz at 2020-10-07 10:18 PM | Reply

Pence is such a pile of ---- he's attracting flies!

#115 | Posted by jpw at 2020-10-07 10:18 PM | Reply | Funny: 5

Is there a bug in Pence's hair?

#116 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-10-07 10:18 PM | Reply

I feel like the left side of his face/forehead is getting redder, and as I type a fly has decided he dinner. His eye looks awful. He must just be getting sicker as we watch.

#117 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2020-10-07 10:19 PM | Reply

There's a fly on his head.

#118 | Posted by LostAngeles at 2020-10-07 10:19 PM | Reply

A dead fly? Ewww.

#119 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-10-07 10:19 PM | Reply

As I sit here, a fly has mistaken Pence's head for a turd. The insect world has spoken>

#120 | Posted by Foreigner at 2020-10-07 10:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Flies are attracted to ---.

#121 | Posted by LostAngeles at 2020-10-07 10:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Pence got a fly on his head. That will be on huffmyshorts front page.

#122 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2020-10-07 10:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

thank you vice president pence. your time is up.
thank you vice president pence. your time is up.
thank you vice president pence. your time is up.
thank you vice president pence. your time is up.

#123 | Posted by LesWit at 2020-10-07 10:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

OMG that fly!

#124 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-10-07 10:19 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Oops, guess it wasn't dead. LOL

#125 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-10-07 10:20 PM | Reply

Oops, guess it wasn't dead. LOL

#126 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-10-07 10:20 PM | Reply

#114 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Finally Fester has some backup.

#127 | Posted by REDIAL at 2020-10-07 10:20 PM | Reply

He's one to talk about selectively editing others...

#129 | Posted by LostAngeles at 2020-10-07 10:21 PM | Reply

That will be on huffmyshorts front page.

#122 | Posted by phesterOBoyle

Huffmyshorts.

A Mark Levin moron. LOL

#130 | Posted by jpw at 2020-10-07 10:21 PM | Reply

"I really need to make this point."

I really need to be a bore and not follow the rules or respect the moderator. Not a good look.

#131 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-10-07 10:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Are you gonna pack the court or not??

#102 | POSTED BY PHESTEROBOYLE

I sure hope so

#132 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2020-10-07 10:22 PM | Reply

Middle class women love men who interrupt them and talk over them and refuse to shut up

#133 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-10-07 10:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#128 | POSTED BY WILLIEBROWNRIDE

And cometh the sockpuppets...

#134 | Posted by REDIAL at 2020-10-07 10:23 PM | Reply

She's 5'2". He's 5'10" #53 | POSTED BY EBERLY

"Can I make it any more obvious?
He was a punk, she did ballet
What more can I say?"
m.youtube.com

#135 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2020-10-07 10:23 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

She didn't ducking answer the question.

How do I vote for the guy who wouldn't clearly denounce white supremacists?

I sure as hell can't vote for Biden who will pack the court.

#136 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2020-10-07 10:23 PM | Reply

Wow she's huffy. I think Pence likes fiesty. Lol

#137 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2020-10-07 10:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Only a true Trumpster would think that Pence is "kicking Heels up Harris's ass"

#138 | Posted by Just_Joe at 2020-10-07 10:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

They're watching a different debate.

#139 | Posted by LostAngeles at 2020-10-07 10:25 PM | Reply

In a parallel universe.

#140 | Posted by LostAngeles at 2020-10-07 10:25 PM | Reply

With rose coloured goggles on.

#141 | Posted by LostAngeles at 2020-10-07 10:25 PM | Reply

While drinking moonshine to excess.

#142 | Posted by LostAngeles at 2020-10-07 10:26 PM | Reply

Are you gonna pack the court or not??

#102 | POSTED BY PHESTEROBOYLE

I sure hope so

#132 | POSTED BY JOHNNY_HOTSAUCE AT 2020-10-07 10:22 PM | REPLY

JUST REMEMBER THIS WHEN BIDEN LOSES.
Your conscience is defiled and you are willing to cheat.

Americans know that and this kinda crap keeps middle of the road people like myself FROM EVER voting for Biden.

What IS WRONG with you?!

#143 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2020-10-07 10:26 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Not a chance he answers question about Trump not giving up power

#144 | Posted by Just_Joe at 2020-10-07 10:26 PM | Reply

You sound like a middle of the road person. For sure.

#145 | Posted by LostAngeles at 2020-10-07 10:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Pretty fly for a white guy

#146 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-10-07 10:27 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

That ol boy knows how to Vance lol

#148 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2020-10-07 10:28 PM | Reply

It took 1 1/2 hours to bring up Hillary

#149 | Posted by Just_Joe at 2020-10-07 10:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

unaccomplished women?

gee, you're dumb

#150 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-10-07 10:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

After this debate my husband is voting Harris! He was still going third party after the Trump Biden chaos at their debate.

#151 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2020-10-07 10:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Y'all are some class acts.

That's for sure.

#152 | Posted by LostAngeles at 2020-10-07 10:29 PM | Reply

poll.fm

#153 | Posted by boaz at 2020-10-07 10:29 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

No obstruction, no collusion, no nothing...

Oh except for the GOP controlled Senate report that blew the Russia Hoax lie into little pieces.

#154 | Posted by Corky at 2020-10-07 10:29 PM | Reply

keeps middle of the road people like myself FROM EVER voting for Biden.

What IS WRONG with you?!

#143 | Posted by drivelikejehu

LOL I love it when Trumpers think they're middle of the road.

#155 | Posted by jpw at 2020-10-07 10:29 PM | Reply

What is this "meat muzzle"?

#156 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2020-10-07 10:29 PM | Reply

projects.fivethirtyeight.com

#157 | Posted by LostAngeles at 2020-10-07 10:30 PM | Reply

(^)There's your meat muzzle.

#158 | Posted by LostAngeles at 2020-10-07 10:30 PM | Reply

#153 | Posted by boaz

Wait. A conservative website says the fake Chreestian cardboard cutout won? Get out of here!

#159 | Posted by jpw at 2020-10-07 10:31 PM | Reply

poll.fm

#153 | POSTED BY BOAZ

A conservative site finds Pence won the debate.

Color me shocked!

#160 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-10-07 10:31 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Pence acts like a gentleman, kama goes snarky

#161 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2020-10-07 10:31 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Re: #147

Your user name is not funny or clever

#162 | Posted by hamburglar at 2020-10-07 10:31 PM | Reply

Pence acts like a gentleman, kama goes snarky

#161 | Posted by phesterOBoyle

A lying, hypocritial fake Chreestian who just talks through both of them is a gentleman?

#163 | Posted by jpw at 2020-10-07 10:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

KAMALA FOR THE WIN!

#164 | Posted by LostAngeles at 2020-10-07 10:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#158
Now I have to scrub my history. Arg

#165 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2020-10-07 10:34 PM | Reply

Mamala Out!

#166 | Posted by LostAngeles at 2020-10-07 10:34 PM | Reply

Neither candidate lost the election for their president.

There was no I knew John Kennedy, I worked with John Kennedy, John Kennedy was a friend of mine, you are no John Kennedy moment

#167 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-10-07 10:34 PM | Reply

Take That Fester!

#168 | Posted by LostAngeles at 2020-10-07 10:34 PM | Reply

#162
You're just a big cheese.

#169 | Posted by LesWit at 2020-10-07 10:35 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

ABC talking about Pence's "Pink Eye" Covid or Makeup in his eye

#170 | Posted by Just_Joe at 2020-10-07 10:37 PM | Reply

#147 | Posted by WillieBrownRide

So, which sausage partier is back again?

Sheeple? Andrea?

#171 | Posted by jpw at 2020-10-07 10:37 PM | Reply

This was almost fun everybody!

#172 | Posted by LostAngeles at 2020-10-07 10:37 PM | Reply

What's funny is that most Americans couldn't have picked Pence out of a crowd as the VP for all that he's been in a closet somewhere in Trump's attic for 3 years.

Harris is terrifying for white supremacists... you know, like Boaz.

#173 | Posted by Corky at 2020-10-07 10:39 PM | Reply

So, which sausage partier is back again?

"Joint Account"?

#174 | Posted by REDIAL at 2020-10-07 10:39 PM | Reply

You can call me what you want, but Trump makes me sick.

And Biden/Harris packing the court and looking the other way with riots means third party is the better option.

#175 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2020-10-07 10:40 PM | Reply

Pence thinks of women as handmaidens to men. His performance tonight demonstrated that at every turn.

#177 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-10-07 10:40 PM | Reply

"Joint Account"?

That would be my guess.

#178 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-10-07 10:40 PM | Reply

Harris terrifies no one.

Black folks hate her.

#179 | Posted by boaz at 2020-10-07 10:41 PM | Reply

- third party is the better option.

Is an imaginary option. One of these two candidates will be in office... and depending on where one lives they could help the worst one, Trump, win by voting 3rd party.

#180 | Posted by Corky at 2020-10-07 10:42 PM | Reply

Liberals are whining Pence got more time to talk over the angry woman from Jamica.

#181 | Posted by boaz at 2020-10-07 10:43 PM | Reply

"Pence thinks of women as handmaidens to men. His performance tonight demonstrated that at every turn."

IOW, he felt free to interrupt Kamala and Susan continuously as he likely does with Mother because, as the man of the house/on the stage, he is the boss, the one a subservient woman needs to listen to and kowtow to.

#182 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-10-07 10:45 PM | Reply

- Black folks hate her.

Only in your house.

"Former Vice President Joe Biden's decision to name Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.) as his running mate led to a substantial polling bump among Black and Latino voters"

thehill.com

#184 | Posted by Corky at 2020-10-07 10:46 PM | Reply

in debates, deportment is an important part of the game.

Talking over the moderator and your opponent, not shutting up, interrupting, are NOT winning strategies.

Esp. for certain voting groups, ie middle class women

------- was slammed for it last week and pence doubled down on it
proving, once again,

The -------/pence ticket respects NO ONE

#185 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-10-07 10:47 PM | Reply

Claire McCaskill on Pence: "He was patronizing and boring." Yep.

Let's bill this debate as Pink Eye Pence and the Fly.

#186 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-10-07 10:49 PM | Reply

Pence definitely won.

That's why these knuckleheads are launching ad hominem attacks against Kamala.

He-Yump!

#187 | Posted by LostAngeles at 2020-10-07 10:50 PM | Reply

Imagine if your sexual thoughts were so repressed you had to become a Republican to explore them on a political forum.

#188 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-10-07 10:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

- Pink Eye Pence and the Fly.

Oddly, those were his best moments.

But a job defending Demented Donnie could never pay enough to get someone competent.

Just look at Mao's newest moniker here... same thing.

#189 | Posted by Corky at 2020-10-07 10:52 PM | Reply

Tomorrow all the headlines will be about that fly!

#190 | Posted by Twinpac at 2020-10-07 10:55 PM | Reply

After this debate my husband is voting Harris! He was still going third party after the Trump Biden chaos at their debate.
#151 | POSTED BY JUSTAGIRL_IDAHO

What made him change his mind?

#191 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-10-07 10:55 PM | Reply

Way to cement the white nationalist's and misogynist's vote, Pence.

#193 | Posted by YAV at 2020-10-07 10:58 PM | Reply

Pence didn't even shoo the fly away.
The fly got bored and left.

#195 | Posted by YAV at 2020-10-07 10:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump won the Pence/Harris debate is such a Trump thing to say!

#196 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-10-07 11:00 PM | Reply

Take a look:

The Daily Show @TheDailyShow

Debates Motel

twitter.com

#197 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-10-07 11:00 PM | Reply

#197 - creepy and perfect! LOL!

#199 | Posted by YAV at 2020-10-07 11:02 PM | Reply

Basically:

Asha Rangappa
@AshaRangappa_

1h
So Pence is basically doing the same thing as Trump just in monotone...talking and talking and talking and the moderator won't stop him.

It's a disgrace.

#200 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-10-07 11:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#198 - Every woman in America (and everywhere else) watched Pence tonight and had the same thought. Trust me, it wasn't a good thought, either.

She won, no question about it, and Trump, err, I mean Pence did what Trump did the other night to TWO women. That ain't gonna play well.

Why the new name? You can't be upset about how you destroyed your previous name's reputation.

#201 | Posted by YAV at 2020-10-07 11:05 PM | Reply

@Gal in #200 - Exactly!

#202 | Posted by YAV at 2020-10-07 11:06 PM | Reply

Milk Pence was so full of ---- tonight, even the flies noticed.

#203 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2020-10-07 11:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#198

How desperate for attention does a rwhiner have to be to keep sneaking back into a blog that obviously doesn't want them?

It's awfully pathetic, really. Kinda like an incel who can't take no for an answer.

#204 | Posted by Corky at 2020-10-07 11:07 PM | Reply

#201 | POSTED BY YAV

Who is this new-name c**t?

#205 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2020-10-07 11:08 PM | Reply

Nevermind Yav, Corky had the answer.

I shouldn't have taken a multi-month hiatus.

#206 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2020-10-07 11:09 PM | Reply

Gal, he felt that Pence was smug and clearly lied/avoided questions. He had nothing to stand on. He said he now wishes she had been top of ticket (he paid little attention in the primary since we are largely unaffiliated). He felt that even tho she also avoided some questions she was largely transparent in where she stands. Here in Idaho it isn't going to matter, but it will push the popularity vote up.

My husband knows that I will love him even if he votes Trump. We don't fight about it when we disagree. Maybe that's how we've been married over twenty years in a world where all our friends divorce.

#207 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2020-10-07 11:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

2016: fly landed on Ted Cruz, he lost in the primary; fly landed in HRC in general, she lost.

2020: fly lands on Pence... will the fly foreshadowing continue?

#208 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2020-10-07 11:10 PM | Reply

Pence has always had a bit of a fresh corpse look to him--so lackluster, stiff and pale.

#209 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-10-07 11:11 PM | Reply

I think Pence looks quite good for a cadaver.

#211 | Posted by YAV at 2020-10-07 11:12 PM | Reply

- a bit of a fresh corpse look to him--so lackluster, stiff and pale.

That's actually considered high fashion in the WH now.

#212 | Posted by Corky at 2020-10-07 11:12 PM | Reply

Pence is like if Tim Kaine was in the GOP:
Forgettable, a wing-man, and lacks own charisma.

#213 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2020-10-07 11:13 PM | Reply

Americans know that and this kinda crap keeps middle of the road people like myself FROM EVER voting for Biden.
What IS WRONG with you?!

#143 | POSTED BY DRIVELIKEJEHU

If you knew anything about my posting history then you would know I've long been an advocate of expanding the court and applying term limits because a 9 person court is an antiquated concept that is too easily politicised and does not provide the court with an adequate number of justices to respond to all of the cases that deserve their attention which adds significant delays to the entire justice system.

So now how about you tell me how you feel about the GOP's hypocrisy when it comes to filling a seat during an election year?

#214 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2020-10-07 11:13 PM | Reply

#207 Thank you for the explanation. Did your hubby vote for Trump in 2016?

#215 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-10-07 11:13 PM | Reply

- Lefty heroes got their asses handed to them in a debate.

Your bias confirmation slip is showing, deary. But hey, post another poll from another rwing site... you know, just for ---- and giggles.

-my trolling wouldn't bother you

My apologies to Mao... this clown in more Mackis level oblivious.

#216 | Posted by Corky at 2020-10-07 11:15 PM | Reply

Pence wasn't so much dead man walking as mannequin sitting. The fly sitting in his hair for so long certainly added to that effect.

#217 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-10-07 11:18 PM | Reply

Americans know that and this kinda crap keeps middle of the road people like myself FROM EVER voting for Biden.
What IS WRONG with you?!

#143 | POSTED BY DRIVELIKEJEHU

Not sure about him. But.

The only thing wrong with me is people like you.

#218 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-10-07 11:20 PM | Reply

LOL Take a look:

Joe Biden @JoeBiden

Pitch in $5 to help this campaign fly.

twitter.com

#219 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-10-07 11:20 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

That fly reminded me of what Molly Ivins said about VP Dan Quayle...

"Put that man's brain in a bumblebee, and it would fly backwards."

.

#220 | Posted by Corky at 2020-10-07 11:21 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Andy The Mattress, is that you?

#221 | Posted by SunTzuMeow at 2020-10-07 11:24 PM | Reply

BREAKING NEWS

FOX SNOOZE ~~ Fly was a registered Democrat!

"The mysterious interloper who threatened to derail Mike Pence's remarkable Service to America at last night's debate with the totally unprepared Kamila Harris, was apprehended by police trying to fly out a bathroom window. The culprit (name withheld pending further investigation) was well known to local police as a common housefly who admitted under questioning that he was a paid operative of the DNC but refused to name accomplices. "

President Trump will have a news conference at 11:30.

#222 | Posted by Twinpac at 2020-10-07 11:25 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

#219

hahaha that's dead funny; Joe with a flyswatter

#223 | Posted by Corky at 2020-10-07 11:25 PM | Reply

Remember how Obama handled a fly?
www.youtube.com

#224 | Posted by YAV at 2020-10-07 11:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I miss a president with self respect

#225 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-10-07 11:34 PM | Reply

215 Gal, yes. He really wanted Trump to drain the swamp, but believes he's made it even more murky. All the convictions of people close to Trump is a turn off. He knew Trump was a rich fifth avenue jackass but believed him when he said he'd take career politicians head on because he was too rich to be bought. He's mad about a lot of this administration and feels betrayed.

#226 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2020-10-07 11:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

As the debate was going, my wife was exchanging comments on Facebook with a friend, who happens to be the wife of one of my old classmates from college, and she was very critical of the moderator, Susan Page. She suggested that the Debate Commission should have selected either Samuel L Jackson or a 7th grade public school teacher as the moderator. Either of them would have done a better job of keeping Mike Pence to his allotted time.

OCU

#227 | Posted by OCUser at 2020-10-07 11:37 PM | Reply

Your husband sounds like a smart guy.

I could never really blame conservatives for not wanting to vote for one of the Klown Kar establishment Republicans.

But all the smart ones believe their eyes after 3 years of Trump, not what he still tells them.

#228 | Posted by Corky at 2020-10-07 11:38 PM | Reply

@ DRIVELIKEJEHU

Court packing? Why, that's worse than increasing taxes on people making $400,000 per year. I'm definitely voting third party for Jill Stein now!

Thank you for opening my eyes to the wonder of throwing away my vote as Trump kills another 500,000 Americans! You are a true hero to the brain dead who make up the GOP base!

#229 | Posted by censored at 2020-10-07 11:42 PM | Reply

#222

No, Twinpac, I heard that the pest in question is a member of that radical-left terrorist group ANTIFLY.

#230 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-10-07 11:43 PM | Reply | Funny: 5

The right wingers think Pence won. The betting odds show Biden/Harris moving up.

#231 | Posted by iloveyou at 2020-10-07 11:44 PM | Reply

They're saying that we just watched a preview of the 2024 presidential debate.

OCU

#232 | Posted by OCUser at 2020-10-07 11:50 PM | Reply

#230 - The fly was an Antifa spy!

You know it's kind of hard just to get along today
Our subject isn't cool but he fakes it anyway
He may not have a clue and he may not have style
But everything he lacks, well, he makes up in denial
So don't debate, a player straight
You know he really doesn't get it anyway

And all the people say, I'm a pretty fly (on a white guy)

#233 | Posted by YAV at 2020-10-07 11:51 PM | Reply

2020: fly lands on Pence... will the fly foreshadowing continue? - #208 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2020-10-07 11:10 PM
2010 fly on Obama meant he was re-elected.
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2010/06/22/128014699/the-buzz-around-obama
2013 fly on Obama post-reelection
www.telegraph.co.uk

#234 | Posted by Avigdore at 2020-10-07 11:54 PM | Reply

He's mad about a lot of this administration and feels betrayed.
#226 | POSTED BY JUSTAGIRL_IDAHO

Please give him a hug.

#235 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-10-07 11:55 PM | Reply

So, what will Americans think of Pence having a buzz on during the debate?

#236 | Posted by Corky at 2020-10-08 12:02 AM | Reply

I watched some of the debate. Neither seemed real eager to answer certain questions. Pence talked too much when it wasn't his turn. Harris reminded me of every smug prosecutor I have ever disliked. Both of them are arrogant smooth pieces of work. It just comes down to where you stand on the political spectrum.

#237 | Posted by moder8 at 2020-10-08 12:13 AM | Reply

" When the polls come back after this debate, you know who told you first."

The same guy who claimed Trump was going to get over 20% of the black vote, and said once Durham was finished, oh boy would all kinds of Dems be frog-marched.

How many posting names have you had to run from, in total?

#238 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-10-08 12:14 AM | Reply

The fly landing on Pence's head was the highlight!

Drawn to feast on bull****, it knew where to land.

#239 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-10-08 12:19 AM | Reply

Post-debate CNN poll: Harris seen as winner in a contest that matched expectations

More Americans said Sen. Kamala Harris did the best job in the vice presidential debate Wednesday night, according to a CNN Instant Poll of registered voters who watched.

About 6 in 10 (59%) said Harris won, while 38% said Vice President Mike Pence had the better night.

www.cnn.com

21 point difference, same as today's Q poll. Seems most voters are already locked in. 5 million people have already voted, 10x the number who had in 2016.

#Bluetsunami

#240 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-10-08 12:19 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

There are some really sharp people over at the Biden/Harris campaign. This is the sort of thing that Republicans used to be good at, but not so much any more:

store.joebiden.com

BTW, I ordered two of them ;-)

OCU

#241 | Posted by OCUser at 2020-10-08 12:20 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

Harris is terrifying for black white supremacists... you know, like Boaz.

#173 | Posted by Corky

#242 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-10-08 12:30 AM | Reply

Pence has always had a bit of a fresh corpse look to him--so lackluster, stiff and pale.

#209 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday

Pence is what a lab that designs and manufactures bionic politicians would create.

And a bit of Sunday night Baptist preacher near altar call time thrown in for good measure.

#243 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-10-08 12:39 AM | Reply

The fly spent longer on Pence's head than Pence spent on the pandemic

- Jess Dweck (@TheDweck) October 8, 2020

#245 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-10-08 12:50 AM | Reply

In theological sources, predominantly Christian, Beelzebub is another name for Satan. He is known in demonology as one of the seven princes of Hell. The Dictionnaire Infernal describes Beelzebub as a being capable of flying, known as the "Lord of the Flies".

en.m.wikipedia.org

#246 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-10-08 12:59 AM | Reply

@MikePenceFly__

#247 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-10-08 01:05 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Black Flies Matter

#248 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-10-08 01:12 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

#244

rofl... Mackris posts fake poll from rwing site, then whines about CNN poll.

You can't make this stuff up.

#249 | Posted by Corky at 2020-10-08 01:28 AM | Reply

Next thing you know Mackris will be claiming that the fly is a crisis actor.

#251 | Posted by Corky at 2020-10-08 01:52 AM | Reply

#234 | Posted by Avigdore

Did the glaring message fly past you? Did it really fly over your head?

Those who did nothing about the fly lost.

Obama fought the fly and won ... reelection.

Can you complete the syllogism?

#252 | Posted by et_al at 2020-10-08 02:56 AM | Reply

Post-debate interview with the fly:

PIC: "I just couldn't stand by and listen to his lies any longer."

#253 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-10-08 04:08 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Obama fought the fly and won"

That was the famed circle fly.

#254 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2020-10-08 05:09 AM | Reply

And THIS is the lamestream media takeaway..

Fly evades coronavirus shields, lands on Pence's head, steals debate spotlight

#255 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2020-10-08 05:21 AM | Reply

Honestly... the fly was sort of like the cherry on top... sitting on him like he's a turd.

How apropos... even nature is mocking him.

#256 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2020-10-08 05:29 AM | Reply

Biden sums up the debate thusly:
pbs.twimg.com

#257 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2020-10-08 05:46 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Kamalatoe tried to smile her way thru the debate, but she came off as having a tightly clenched pooter.

#258 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2020-10-08 06:03 AM | Reply

Biden on fracking: Mike Pence repeatedly claimed rival wants to ban controversial practice, but VP never said that

Former VP has not proposed nationwide ban on shale gas drilling, despite claims

He told CNN's Anderson Cooper last month that "fracking has to continue because we need a transition, we're gonna get to net zero emissions by 2050," and added that "there's no rationale to eliminate [it] right now."

Mr Biden's proposed climate plan, meanwhile, does not mention any ban on hydraulic fracturing - otherwise known as fracking - but rather, it proposes "banning new oil and gas permitting on public lands and waters".


www.independent.co.uk

#260 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-10-08 07:19 AM | Reply

"No, Twinpac, I heard that the pest in question is a member of that radical-left terrorist group ANTIFLY."

#230 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

Don't believe it, TONY. That's just Trump's usual spin on everything. Also, according to an explanation offered by A.G. William Barr immediately after the breach of security, the fly's real mission was to implant a micro-chip in Pence's skull. The failure of the mission was due to a hard shell of "hairspray" that the fly could not penetrate with a standard drill bit.

#261 | Posted by Twinpac at 2020-10-08 07:41 AM | Reply

Who looked more presidential?:

Anderson Cooper: Harris "had a smile on her face and he had a bloody eye and a fly on his head."

#262 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-10-08 07:50 AM | Reply

Who looked more presidential?:

Anderson Cooper: Harris "had a smile on her face and he had a bloody eye and a fly on his head."

#263 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-10-08 07:50 AM | Reply

Post-debate poll shows that @KamalaHarris WON by a whopping **39 points** among women and 2 points among men..

twitter.com

#264 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-10-08 07:56 AM | Reply

Exactly what you expect from a corporate debate, brought to you by InBev. Two professional liars dodging questions all night. Biden-Trump was better TV.

#265 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-10-08 08:22 AM | Reply

Also noticed it was sponsored by an airline currently begging for bailout money.

#266 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-10-08 08:23 AM | Reply

SITZKRIEG

"Also noticed it was sponsored by an airline currently begging for bailout money."

Or passengers so they won't need bailout money.

#267 | Posted by Twinpac at 2020-10-08 08:34 AM | Reply

This morning the next Presidential debate was going to be virtual because Trump is still contagious. The next Townhall debate was going to be virtual as a result. Trump said "I don't feel I'm contagious at all." and has decided not to participate in the Townhall debate now and is going to hold a rally instead.

Trump's also blamed his infection on Gold Star families.
Trump's afraid to debate Joe.
Trump needs adulation from a rally.

He's off the rails this morning.

#268 | Posted by YAV at 2020-10-08 08:40 AM | Reply

Leaving office in disgrace...hopefully taking some scum with him.

#269 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2020-10-08 08:52 AM | Reply

Kamalatoe tried to smile her way thru the debate, but she came off as having a tightly clenched pooter.

#258 | POSTED BY PHESTEROBOYLE

I get the feeling Pence does that to a lot of woman.

I couldn't help but notice Mother looked like she was clenching her ass shut when she was on stage after...

#270 | Posted by jpw at 2020-10-08 09:12 AM | Reply

Or passengers so they won't need bailout money.

#267 | POSTED BY TWINPAC AT 2020-10-08 08:34 AM | FLAG:

Great, so we only have to bail them out until herd immunity is achieved.

#271 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-10-08 09:32 AM | Reply

"Great, so we only have to bail them out until herd immunity is achieved."

Herd immunity....a way to make Americans unwelcome in civilized nations around the world.

#272 | Posted by danni at 2020-10-08 09:40 AM | Reply

I couldn't help but notice Mother looked like she was clenching her ass shut when she was on stage after...

Mother broke the rules. Everyone other than the candidates and moderator was told they had to wear a mask at all times.

#273 | Posted by rcade at 2020-10-08 10:54 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Herd immunity....a way to make Americans unwelcome in civilized nations around the world.

#272 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2020-10-08 09:40 AM | REPLY

"civilized nations", old white people speak for West Euros and their former colonies.

Digital health passports are being piloted and those will become standard for international travel. Fear not, you will be able to hop on your cruise ship and exploit some island within 3 years at this pace regardless of who wins the election.

#274 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-10-08 10:59 AM | Reply

Hillary Clinton @HillaryClinton

Congratulations to @kamalaharris for a masterful debate performance.

She swatted away the lies with ease.

twitter.com

#275 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-10-08 11:12 AM | Reply

Hillary Clinton @HillaryClinton

Congratulations to @kamalaharris for a masterful debate performance.

She swatted away the lies with ease.

twitter.com

#276 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-10-08 11:12 AM | Reply

I only have one criticism of Kamala's performance last night. I think she may have turned a lot of young voters to apathy by not defending a stronger fight against climate change.

Kamala let Pence score some significant points by not strongly debating his defense of fossil fuels, and his claim that a Green New Deal will destroy jobs. This is simply not true. Pence says that bolstering fossil fuels is the way to go. We already know that the continued heavy use of fossil fuels is doing significant and irreparable harm.

In contrast, many studies have come out suggesting that a transition to a green economy would create millions of new jobs, while also reducing the impacts of climate change.

The Green New Deal would be just the right thing to move America, and perhaps the world, out of the COVID depression. Democrats should defend the Green New Deal, and they should defend it hard.

#277 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2020-10-08 12:02 PM | Reply

Dems should let people think whatever they want about the GND and then put as much of it as they can into legislation when they are elected.... because it is a favorite rwing talking point and not particularly popular among moderate voters they need to win.

#278 | Posted by Corky at 2020-10-08 12:20 PM | Reply

#278

I don't think young voters understand the subtlety of that tactic, Corky. But I do think Dems finally had a chance to engage younger voters with environmental issues this year.

What do you think is more important? Addressing issues and gaining the confidence of the younger voters of the future? Or continuing to pander to the old white moderate votes of the past?

#279 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2020-10-08 01:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-What do you think is more important? Addressing issues and gaining the confidence of the younger voters of the future? Or continuing to pander to the old white moderate votes of the past?

depends. what are you trying to accomplish?

save the planet or win an election?

There is no movement from young voters over a single issue in that debate.

2 minutes....go over time....be interrupted, "thank you Mr. vice president ,et.." Kamala doesn't have a chance to impact younger voters under those circumstances.

You're you're not wrong about the issue and it's importance.....but that horrible debate format doesn't allow for Kamala to impact younger voters on a complex issue such as the GND.

#280 | Posted by eberly at 2020-10-08 01:26 PM | Reply

and 90% of young voters who watched that debate??? they were there for the drama....not the substance.

#281 | Posted by eberly at 2020-10-08 01:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Mike Pence/Lord of the Flies - Beeple
64.media.tumblr.com

#282 | Posted by DMTDust at 2020-10-08 01:34 PM | Reply

- What do you think is more important?

Winning. If you don't do that you don't get to put your preferred policies in place.

And right now in this general election, that legislation, as much as you and I might like it, isn't that popular among most voters, and is a "socialist" hammer to be wielded by the opposition.

Hillary had this problem with the far left; she was willing to go a lot further left as Pres than it was wise to admit in the election. Of course, that let the far left decide she wasn't pure enough.

#283 | Posted by Corky at 2020-10-08 01:40 PM | Reply

Re: #283

Hillary's biggest problem was having been a big name in politics for so long, she'd grown stale with impatient voters. Plus the accumulated decades of bile directed at her had a lasting negative effect on her image. Indies wanted somebody else.

#284 | Posted by hamburglar at 2020-10-08 01:50 PM | Reply

- Indies wanted somebody else.

All that's true. And because they didn't get who they wanted, they decided to Let America eat Trump.

#285 | Posted by Corky at 2020-10-08 01:59 PM | Reply

Hillary had this problem with the far left; she was willing to go a lot further left as Pres than it was wise to admit in the election. Of course, that let the far left decide she wasn't pure enough.

#283 | POSTED BY CORKY

Then Hillary should have given the "far left" more insight into her intent. Hillary lost the election, in some part because young voters that the Dems desperately need for the future were not convinced.

The only reason Biden is likely to win this time, is because he's running against the most loathsome POTUS of our lifetime. He's not winning because folks are enamored with his moderate platform. Democrats need to stop acting like cowards. They need to be bold in their presentation of new ideas.

If Dems win both the Presidency and the Senate, and they don't chalk up some real and permanent accomplishments this time, they will not hold on to their gains.

This brings up a good question; On the topic of healthcare, even if Biden wins, the SCOTUS is likely to throw out the ACA before he is even inaugurated. What's the Dems plan for that? I know what should be done, but I doubt if the Dems have thought it through that far ahead. Unfortunately, Democrats are incredibly short sighted.

#286 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2020-10-08 02:09 PM | Reply

"The only reason Biden is likely to win this time, is because he's running against the most loathsome POTUS of our lifetime."

That's why Trump won.

Because Obama was the most loathsome President of their lifetimes. (And Hillary the most loathsome candidate.)

Just ask them if you don't believe me.

#287 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-10-08 02:13 PM | Reply

- more insight into her intent.

It was there for anyone who bothered to look.

www.vox.com

- He's not winning because folks are enamored with his moderate platform

Folks had an opportunity to vote for Bernie Sanders and declined in large numbers. Again.

- What's the Dems plan for that?

www.crfb.org

They'll just call it something else.

#288 | Posted by Corky at 2020-10-08 02:17 PM | Reply

Re: #287

True. In 2016, a non-American friend and fan of Trump sent me right-wing magazine articles on who might be the worst Presidents the US has ever had, and the articles were listing Obama as the worst or amongst the worst.

#289 | Posted by hamburglar at 2020-10-08 02:20 PM | Reply

"Because Obama was the most loathsome President of their lifetimes."

Utter nonsense. He may not have been perfect but he was much better than his predecessor and the man who succeeded him. Those two can compete for the worst while Obama could compete with some of the best.

#290 | Posted by danni at 2020-10-08 02:25 PM | Reply

Hillary had this problem with the far left; she was willing to go a lot further left as Pres than it was wise to admit in the election. Of course, that let the far left decide she wasn't pure enough.

POSTED BY CORKY AT 2020-10-08 01:40 PM | REPLY

Oh poppycock. You're so intellectually dishonest. Such hornswoggle.

#291 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-10-08 02:36 PM | Reply

"Utter nonsense."

Go back and read what he posted. He said "their lifetimes" not our lifetimes. Meaning that was their thinking at the time. It had nothing to do with anything factual, just their feelings.

#292 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2020-10-08 02:44 PM | Reply

#291

Non-reader, characterizations only, no argument.

www.vox.com

retort the article or go play with yourself

#293 | Posted by Corky at 2020-10-08 02:44 PM | Reply

#59 the vatican says climate change appears to be man made and that we have an obligation to stop it for the common good.

#294 | Posted by Regnum at 2020-10-08 02:44 PM | Reply

"Hillary had this problem with the far left; she was willing to go a lot further left as Pres than it was wise to admit in the election. Of course, that let the far left decide she wasn't pure enough."

Why was the fight so dedicated to hating Hillary? Bill assigned her the task of designing a national health care system which she did and that scared the corporation that sell healthcare insurance so they used their money and power to demonize Hillary. She never really did anything wrong to anyone. She is a very fine person and would have made a far, far better President than the lunatic in the WH now.

#295 | Posted by danni at 2020-10-08 02:46 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

#294

Is that what the PINO had to say?

(Pontiff In Name Only)

#296 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-10-08 02:56 PM | Reply

"the vatican says climate change appears to be man made and that we have an obligation to stop it for the common good."

While other Christian sects believe that climate change is an act of god, a sign of Christ's return, and that we should joyously take every action possible in helping that come to pass.

#297 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2020-10-08 03:05 PM | Reply

www.crfb.org
They'll just call it something else.

#288 | POSTED BY CORKY

Ummm...

Joe isn't going to be able to "expand" the ACA if SCOTUS has thrown it out and it no longer exists.

#298 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2020-10-08 03:12 PM | Reply

#298

SCOTUS will have ruled against aspects or an aspect, which can be fixed or replaced given the House and less GOP Sens.

#299 | Posted by Corky at 2020-10-08 03:41 PM | Reply

Joe isn't going to be able to "expand" the ACA if SCOTUS has thrown it out and it no longer exists.

This defines exactly what irks me about many on the more progressive left wing. They don't understand POLITICS and they don't understand LEGISLATING. They know issues, but are clueless on how those issues can be effectively implemented.

First, IF Biden wins and the Democrats take control of both the House and Senate then neither healthcare nor abortion will be impacted. In fact, both will be strengthened as matters of actual law.

Here's why. The ACA is before the SCOTUS because of a TX prosecutor who threw crap up against the wall and found sympathetic rightwing judges willing to ignore what Congress had actually done itself, elevating their view for Congress'. The case revolves around the mandate which the GOP invalidated as a matter of their amendment of the original law.

All the Democrats need to do is rewrite the ACA word for word and specifically recodify either a mandate or leave it out entirely, and have Biden sign the bill. My belief is that the Democrats will try to improve the many flaws in the ACA which the GOP would not allow them to in their decade-long quest to kill it. At that point, the case in front of the SCOTUS becomes moot, and any challenge to the new legislation would have to start from scratch because the two would be wholly different laws.

So now we're save ACA or whatever better will replace it. On to abortion. The only reason abortion is under threat from the SCOTUS is that up until now there has never been the political will to actually pass a law codifying the right to choose. The right wing's legal argument with Roe is that because the Court itself created the legal right to choose, it's unconstitutional on its face. So again, if Congress passes a Right to Choose law - with defined permissions and limitations to abortion - there is nothing that the SCOTUS can do about it if and until cases opposing the new law again start from scratch and work their way up through the system.

Both of these reasons are why electing Democrats all across America is imperative if you don't want to see both issues outlawed. And in the same vein, Democrats will entertain more progressive policies if the public's mood and the fiscal analysis shows that they are the better way to go regardless of the stances politically taken during the election cycle as long as it best benefits society as a whole and they have enough votes to pass the legislation.

If the Democrats don't have the power, there is absolutely ZERO CHANCE that the GOP will ever pass such legislation unless it absolutely becomes a matter of life and death - and even then they'd be hard-pressed to marshal a majority. Many in the GOP would rather practice nihilism than admit that the libs are correct about most anything.

#300 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-10-08 04:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The ACA is already so diminished and broken, it's practically not worth keeping.

If the original ACA had been worked over for improvements, it might be viable. Now it's simply a suffocating mess. Premiums are still on double digit inflation. Costs of employer provided health insurance have taken years of wage gains away from employees. Deductibles are completely unaffordable for most Americans.

Except for coverage of preexisting conditions, what's left to like about Obamacare? It should be thrown out and we should try again. This time without it being written for the profitable favor of the healthcare and insurance industries.

#301 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2020-10-08 04:12 PM | Reply

This time without it being written for the profitable favor of the healthcare and insurance industries.

And this time it can be done that way IF the Dems control everything AND they eliminate the legislative filibuster - which I believe is an absolute, lead pipe certainty regardless of how Biden talks about bipartisanship.

The GOP will do exactly what they did to Obama - obstruct everything (which is already started with McConnell's refusal to pass relief because it would help Biden), including things they wouldn't have if Trump was still President. So we've seen this movie before and realize that there is only a guaranteed year window to get stuff done.

And that's what I believe they'll do.

#302 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-10-08 04:32 PM | Reply

...guaranteed 2 year window to get stuff done.

#303 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-10-08 04:33 PM | Reply

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