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Friday, October 16, 2020

But to public health experts, allowing the virus to run its deadly and devastating course is an unacceptable option that would lead to hundreds of thousands of deaths beyond the 217,000 Americans who have already succumbed to the disease.

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"If you just let things rip and let the infection go, no masks, crowd, it doesn't make any difference, that quite frankly, George, is ridiculous," Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease, told George Stephanopoulos on ABC's "Good Morning America" on Thursday.

"You'll wind up with many more infections of vulnerable people, which will lead to hospitalizations and deaths. So I think we've just got to look that square in the eye and say it's nonsense," Fauci added.

In a statement Thursday, groups like the National Association of County and City Health Officials, the American Public Health Association, the Association of Schools and Programs of Public Health and the Public Health Institute condemned the declaration and the flaws in its arguments.

"Covid-19 carries a much higher risk of severe disease and death than other infections where herd immunity was attempted before a vaccine was available," the groups said. "It is illogical to ignore public health and scientific evidence when so many lives are at stake.""

#1 | Posted by Corky at 2020-10-16 12:24 PM | Reply

"You'll wind up with many more infections of vulnerable people, which will lead to hospitalizations and deaths. So I think we've just got to look that square in the eye and say it's nonsense," Fauci added.

Which, in turn, will likely deprive non-covid patients who need medical care from getting it--just as it did in March and April throughout the northeast.

#2 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-10-16 12:27 PM | Reply

Then there's Long COVID-19...

Covid-19 Hits the Old Hardest, But the Healthy Longest
www.bloomberg.com

...While we're fighting to suppress a second wave, the number of people with so-called long Covid is mounting.

Before he had Covid-19, Brendan Delaney, the 57-year-old chair of medical informatics and decision making at Imperial College, could cycle 150 miles in a day. Covid changed that, but not because he had a severe case of the disease.

Delaney never got seriously ill from the virus. Like many healthy people, he figured his symptoms, a mild fever and a cough, would pass soon enough. Instead, he experienced debilitating aftereffects, such as fatigue and breathlessness, which many are now calling long Covid. Seven months later, he is still not back to normal. He can't imagine getting back on a bike and says that if he pushes himself too hard, he ends up in bed with a fever for a couple of days. He considers himself lucky that he's able to work. Many other long Covid sufferers cannot....


#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-10-16 12:30 PM | Reply

And this...

A rare Covid-19 complication was reported in children. Now, it's showing up in adults.
www.nbcnews.com

...It was a rash that tipped Dr. Alisa Femia off.

Femia, director of inpatient dermatology at NYU Langone Health in New York City, was looking at a patient's chart, which included several photos of the 45-year-old man who had, in recent weeks, cared for his wife while she was sick with Covid-19. The man had dusky-red circular patches on the palms of his hands and the soles of his feet. His eyes were pink, and his lips were extremely chapped.

His body was erupting with the kind of extreme inflammation noted almost exclusively in children at the time.

"Before I even saw the patient," Femia recalled, "I said: 'This hasn't been reported yet. This must be MIS-A.'"

MIS-A stands for "multi-system inflammatory syndrome in adults." When the condition was identified in children this spring, it was named MIS-C, with the C standing for "children."...

MIS-A's "true prevalence is unknown," Morris said. "We have to get physicians realizing that. It may be rare, but we don't know. It might be more common than we think."

Negative tests

Part of the problem is that the virus has been circulating among humans for less than a year. Doctors worldwide are still learning about how SARS-CoV-2 acts in patients.

Typically, severely ill Covid-19 patients tend to arrive at the hospital because they're having trouble breathing. That hasn't been the case with MIS-A.

Many MIS-A patients report fevers, chest pain or other heart problems, diarrhea or other gastrointestinal issues " but not shortness of breath. And diagnostic tests for Covid-19 tend to be negative.

Instead, patients will test positive for Covid-19 antibodies, meaning they were infected two to six weeks previously, even if they never had symptoms....



#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-10-16 12:57 PM | Reply

Not to mention shut down schools and the economy. Who knows how many lawsuits would come about too.

#5 | Posted by Pirate at 2020-10-16 01:34 PM | Reply

Thousands?

More like millions.

If everyone gets covid, and it kills only 1% of victims, that's still 3 million dead americans.

#6 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-10-16 01:48 PM | Reply

Crematoriums will have waiting lists.

#7 | Posted by LesWit at 2020-10-16 02:17 PM | Reply

"Crematoriums will have waiting lists."

Note to self: Invest in refrigerated trucks.

#8 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-10-16 02:56 PM | Reply

"It is illogical to ignore public health and scientific evidence" that pretty much describes the current administration. They think only Ds will die from covid so it's a good thing.

#9 | Posted by SomebodyElse at 2020-10-16 03:45 PM | Reply

"They think only Ds will die from covid so it's a good thing."

Karmic Math: Jared's decision it would only be affecting the blue states allowed more folks to get infected, which spread it to more folks, who spread it to MORE folks...

...who then infected someone in the White House inner circle.

#10 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-10-16 03:53 PM | Reply

Will we have trucks roaming around announcing "Bring out your dead"?

#11 | Posted by TenMile at 2020-10-16 04:15 PM | Reply

Given that the actual infection rate may be 10 - 20 times higher than the reported infection rate. If every person in America were to get infected, the actual mortality rate would probably be somewhere between .33 and .66 percent. Not an insignificant number, and still far higher than the flu. But still nowhere near the 5 percent that everyone was initially worried about.

Of more of a concern is that it will VERY disproportionately kill the elderly and unhealthy. And that it may also leave a much higher number, perhaps 10 - 20 percent with permanent health and disability issues. I do get tired of hearing people say "99 percent will be just fine". This is simply not true.

#12 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2020-10-16 06:21 PM | Reply

the last paragraph in #12 is so true - especially the permanent health issues.

The CDC projects the final IFR will be between 0.5 and 1.0%.
The CFR at this time is 2.7%.
New York City's rate of exposure appears to be around 13.7%.
jamanetwork.com

NYC reported 257,000 cases and 24,000 deaths.
NYC has a population of 8,400,000.
13.7% of 8,400,000=1,150,800 who, theoretically, would test positive for exposure (antibodies).
24,000/1,150,800 (times 100) = 2%
That would equal a 2% IFR - which is 4 times higher than the lower CDC estimate of 0.5 and twice as high as the CDC's estimate of 1%.

A 2% IFR for the United States would equal 6,560,000 fatalities.
A 0.5% (low end CDC IFR number) that would be 1,640,000 fatalities.

And after all of that there will not be any herd immunity. We never reached herd immunity with smallpox, measles, rubella, polio, etc. without a vaccine.

#13 | Posted by YAV at 2020-10-16 06:49 PM | Reply

"A 2% IFR for the United States would equal 6,560,000 fatalities."

That would take down the life insurance industry.

#14 | Posted by TenMile at 2020-10-16 07:12 PM | Reply

That would take down the life insurance industry.

Great. Now I'm conflicted.

#15 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-10-16 07:21 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

But still nowhere near the 5 percent that everyone was initially worried about.

I don't think that anybody in the know thought there would be a 5% infection fatality rate. I also don't think there's much data out there to suggest a 20x more than know positive cases for the actual infection rate. Studies I've read have topped out around 10x.

We never reached herd immunity with smallpox, measles, rubella, polio, etc. without a vaccine.

Because herd immunity is typically a concept associated with vaccinology.

#16 | Posted by jpw at 2020-10-17 03:05 AM | Reply

Is anyone looking at the number of new cases? They are skyrocketing. In the last two days both France and Germany have seen record numbers of new cases. In France, the number of daily new cases is more than four times as high as it was during March-April. The Netherlands, which never really saw many cases early on is seeing an exponential daily increase in the number of new cases.

The up side is that the virus is killing, far less people. In the Netherlands, the highest number of deaths (234) occurred on April 8th. That same day they had 777 mew cases. On October 13th, NLD reported the highest number of new cases (no data since), at 6,844, but only 12 deaths. This trend is consistent across all three countries. It's also consistent with what's being seen in the US, which is on pace to exceed it's record number of new cases here in the next few weeks.

#17 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-10-17 05:30 AM | Reply

"I also don't think there's much data out there to suggest a 20x more than know positive cases for the actual infection rate. Studies I've read have topped out around 10x."

CDC puts the number at between 6x and 24x with a mean or median at 11x.

#18 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-10-17 05:31 AM | Reply

"Because herd immunity is typically a concept associated with vaccinology."

Was there a vaccine for the Spanish Flu?

I was reading an article the other day that stated the Spanish Flu started to whither away after 30% of the population had been infected and the virus had less opportunity to jump from host to host.

#19 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-10-17 06:20 AM | Reply

No vaccine for it, however it mutated substantially. Both after the first wave, becoming way more deadly, then after the peak becoming less and less deadly. It's still around, by the way. It's called H1N1 and we have a vaccine for it.

We can always hope for that with coronavirus. Not much of a strategy, though.

It also ripped through the population due to a whole slew of reasons - leaving almost no one untouched. Eight to ten percent of all young adults were killed by it.

I suppose the upside was there was a temporary immunity afterwards, and only the mutated versions of the virus could get around that. The fortunate thing was the mutated version was far less deadly.

Could SArS-CoV-2 work that way? It's not clear, but if it took a similar path as H1N1 it would leave many millions of people in the U.S. dead. Therapeutics are helping, but we'd still be looking at millions dead and millions with permanent health consequences.

(the above was sourced from several sources, and also directly from www.washingtonpost.com )

#20 | Posted by YAV at 2020-10-17 09:26 AM | Reply

The pandemic of 1918 killed ~625,000 Americans(estimates vary).

World War II killed ~420,000 Americans.

Trumpy virus has killed ~220,000 Americans as of today.

AND we are "maybe" halfway thru the worst public health crisis in 100 years.

Trumpy's "Herd mentality" could kill millions more.

Thanks deplorables. You built this.

#21 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-10-17 06:31 PM | Reply

You built this.
#21 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

They will happily justify the death by pointing to 300+ judges and tax breaks.

"Worth it!" -- GOP 2020

#22 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-10-17 06:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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