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Friday, October 23, 2020

Aaron Mak and Molly Olmstead: Again and again, Trump attempted to make bruising attacks on Biden's policies, background, and family - attempted because you'd need to have spent the year pumping nothing but Fox News, Breitbart, and Dan Bongino's Facebook page into your brain to make sense of what the president of the United States was talking about. We, however, are paid to understand exactly that. Here's a rundown, and we're sorry.

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Big Man - In one of the supposed emails found on the laptop, one of Hunter's business associates outlined an equity split from a business deal with a Chinese energy company, with 10 percent going to someone identified as "the big man." Conservatives have speculated that "the big man" is Joe Biden, though no solid evidence has surfaced, and the Biden campaign has denied that he received any stock.

Moscow Wife - The [Senate Finance and Homeland Security committee] report claimed that Elena Baturina, the widow of Moscow's former mayor, had wired the money to an investment firm co-founded by Hunter Biden. Hunter's lawyer has denied that he was a co-founder or had any interest in the firm, or that he received the money, and Republicans have not furnished any evidence to support the claim.

$3 Million From Burisma - He was making a reference to Hunter's role on the board of the Ukrainian energy company Burisma. Trump has changed his story over time about how much Hunter was making, with figures ranging from $50,000 to $83,000 to $183,000. The amount is actually closer to $50,000. It's unclear where the $3 million figure came from, though it could be a reference to the fact that Hunter may have been able to accrue $3 million in total during his five years on the board based on this monthly salary.

Biden's Brother in Iraq - In 2010, James Biden was named the executive vice president of an international construction firm. According to Politico, that position became controversial when James' firm, HillStone International, was awarded $1.5 billion to build homes in Iraq"while Joe Biden was leading the White House's Iraq policy. HillStone has denied that Joe Biden had anything to do with the deal.

Pillows and Sheets - This line of attack is a reference to the Obama administration's decision not to provide lethal aid to Ukraine. In 2015, John McCain complained, "The Ukrainians are being slaughtered, and we're sending blankets and meals. Blankets don't do well against Russian tanks." But while "pillows and sheets" may have been part of the Obama administration's aid to Ukraine, it also sent $100 million in security assistance as well as equipment viewed as essential for the functioning of the Ukrainian military. The Trump administration has supplied much of the same aid, as well as weapons.

Posted as a public service to us Earth 1 inhabitants unfamiliar with the lingo and jargon utilized in the Earth 2 multiiverse.

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-10-23 09:10 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

This article is exactly why Liberals don't have a bigger presence than they do. If someone has any kind of different opinion from them, they don't understand. They aren't able to see things objectively. This is their entitlement and smug that keeps them from accepting that not everyone has the same opinion as them. When a Rep has an opinion, Dems shrug their shoulders and can never understand. Which is terrible when we have to govern for a country of 300m people with differing opinions. When Dems have an opinion, Reps become loud-mouthed and foul-angered and say stupid stuff. So, both sides have their problems. But articles like this are just proof-positive evidence that Liberals can't think outside of their own fantasy world. They have to use spin that caters to their smug in order to understand other opinions, instead of seeing it for what it really is.

I do appreciate that DR is finally posting things that do show how bad Liberals are at this. There are enough hate articles on here since this is a Liberal outlet but this one post kind of shows you do have the ability to illustrate to the country that you actually do have to have someone spin things for you in order to understand them.

#2 | Posted by humtake at 2020-10-23 11:42 AM | Reply | Funny: 4

Humtake,

Stop whining.

We understand your "opinion" just fine. We just know it's crap based on ignorance and poor, non-critical thinking. Most of the time, we can find the right wing propaganda article you read it in with a simple internet search because it's more or less verbatim.

#3 | Posted by jpw at 2020-10-23 11:55 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 7

Re #2

Blah blah blah.

You always come back for more

"Only the really - I hate to say this - but those with the lowest IQ, they might come back."

#4 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-10-23 12:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If someone has any kind of different opinion from them, they don't understand.

Yes. We aren't fluid in unsubstantiated -------- like you.

When you have proof. Real proof. Not poorly edited pdfs that were edited in Oct 2019 in the Ukraine. You can then get back to us.

#5 | Posted by Nixon at 2020-10-23 12:56 PM | Reply

@#2 ... If someone has any kind of different opinion from them, they don't understand. ...

The initial premise of your comment is wrong.

It is not, as is asserted, about differing opinions.

It is more of Democrats responding to the bat-crap crazy conspiracy theories and lies that seem to continuously emanate from the right wing.

Hence the cited article of this thread. it attempts to explain to rational people, the irrational absurdity of what came out of Pres Trump's mouth last night.




#6 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-10-23 01:12 PM | Reply

#2 | POSTED BY HUMTAKE AT 2020-10-23 11:42 AM | REPLY | FUNNY: 3

Congratulations, for the second day in a row, you have the stupidest take of the day!

Facts are NOT opinion! Dems expect that everybody will form their opinions from the SAME SET OF FACTS!

What's going on with Hunter Biden? Since most of us have not seen the hard drive or computer, we can only speculate. Is Hunter Biden's presence on the Burisma board problematic? Yes. Are Jared and Ivanka's presence in the WH pulling down government salaries and personally profiting like bandits MORE PROBLEMATIC? Hell YES! Interestingly, since Hunter's company has been involved with Burisma, international watchers of such things say the company is no longer the corrupt entity is was previous to his involvement, so his company has done what they promised and cleaned up the corruption.

So back to the computer. Since we KNOW from multiple sources that these emails were circulating for sale in Ukraine as far back as 2019; and we KNOW from multiple sources that the intel community warned the WH that Rudy was a prime target for Russian disinformation; and we KNOW based on what Sacha Baron Cohen did to him, that not only is Rudy a pervert thinking he was going to score with a 15-year-old girl, but that the dementia riddled old drunk is incredibly easily duped; and we KNOW that the intel community has identified Rudy's main source of dirt in Ukraine, Dmitry Firtash, a Russian operative; and we KNOW that Dotard was impeached for trying to extort Ukraine to start an investigation into what he saw as his primary threat, Joe Biden; and we KNOW thanks to the GOP led Senate Intelligence Committee that Russia interfered in the 2016 election on behalf of Dotard; and we KNOW that since the election, Combover Quisling has bent over backwards to help/agree with/defend Russia at every opportunity; and we KNOW that the MAGA computer shop owner, who is legally blind, has changed his story multiple times about the circumstances surrounding the computer and as to whether it was actually Hunter Biden who dropped off the computer; and we KNOW that Hunter Biden lives in LA, so why the hell would he be dropping his computer off at a Delaware shop, and why would he not reclaim it? With all the above facts and circumstances, I tend to believe all the national security voices who say this has all the hallmarks of a Russian disinformation operation, especially since it was dropped two weeks before the election. Now some things I've heard from single sources, and have not had time to find confirmation for; the PDFs of the emails were all generated in Eastern Europe, thought that might be part of the fact that the emails were being peddled in Ukraine in 2019, and that the laptop is actually newer than the date that Hunter allegedly dropped it off.

Do I believe known liar "DNI" Ratface when he claims this is not Russian disinformation? Hell NO, he has lied on behalf of his cult leader before and I have no doubt he will continue to lie for him until President Biden kicks him out of his office and into some FBI handcuffs. I know Wray and the FBI had nothing more to add, but they have a policy of not speaking about ongoing investigations, whether this is money laundering, or counterintelligence, or whatever, it does not mean that they agree with Ratface, it's them following policy. We won't know for sure whether the computer is Russian disinformation until after the election when the FBI either issues a report, or as often happens with counterintelligence investigations, they just close it quietly, but even a blind MAGA computer shop owner could see that it stinks to high heaven!

And Hummer, if you read this entire piece, I'm sorry, I'm sure your lips are now really tired, take a break and rehydrate.

#7 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2020-10-23 03:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

And his neck probably hurts from all that back and forth.

As for your comment that Hunter being put on that board is problematic I take issue with that. The assumption is that he should not have been put on the board because he has no experience in fossil fuel. By why the assumption that fossil fuel was the issue? Could he have been put on that board because of all the accusations of ethics against that company and they picked him to help the company become more ethical?

Now I'm not saying it was ethical and appropriate. All I'm saying is that assuming that it might be problematic without knowing the facts is just as inappropriate as justifying it as perfectly ethical without all the facts.

And the very fact that the accusations of unethical behavior against that company have gone down since his time on that board could be construed as evidence. You alluded to that but I wanted to make that argument more overt.

By the way, Hunter Biden was the chairman of the board for the American branch of the WHO organization that received the Nobel Prize last month from 2013 to 2019. Right around the same time the Trump kids were being banned from ever running a charity again in their lifetimes and also while the boys were off on big game shoot em ups, Hunter was working for the WHO.

#8 | Posted by prius04 at 2020-10-23 05:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#8 | POSTED BY PRIUS04 AT 2020-10-23 05:51 PM | REPLY

Two things:

1. To answer your question; I think, if you are a Democrat, you must not just avoid corruption but also anything that could be perceived as corrupt even if looked at through a foggy lens in the middle of a fever dream at midnight during a full-moon lunar eclipse, because you know the GOP noise machine, amplified by Russian disinformation, is great at conflating nothing into a crescendo of VERY LOUD NOTHING which could cause certain soft-headed good ole' boys whose family trees don't branch to get up out of their Barcaloungers and vote; a certain birth certificate stands as Exhibit A and certain emails stand as Exhibit B. So it means that if your dad is VP, and will be expected to handle some overseas business on behalf of the administration, you sadly must limit your overseas business ventures because otherwise there is the potential for the screaming baboons to try to make something of it in the last two weeks before an election, or your dad has to recuse himself from the task and pass it off to somebody at State. Can you imagine the screaming baboons if Joe brought Hunter into the WH as an advisor? Read hatted heads would explode in trailer parks all over the country (mostly in the south)!

2. I didn't know that about Hunter and the WHO organization, good on him! Joe should have taunted Mango Mussolini last night with "how's that Nobel Prize thing going, you know who has a Nobel? President Obama. You know who built an organization that won a Nobel? My son Hunter!"

#9 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2020-10-23 06:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Could he have been put on that board because of all the accusations of ethics against that company and they picked him to help the company become more ethical?

Now I'm not saying it was ethical and appropriate. All I'm saying is that assuming that it might be problematic without knowing the facts is just as inappropriate as justifying it as perfectly ethical without all the facts.

You are absolutely correct. I personally researched this and posted a thread many, many moenths ago where I listed each board member's name, occupation, and nationality at the time Hunter was seated. The former President of Poland had approached Biden's business partner and tapped him for a spot, and he in turn first asked Hunter. The owner of the company was himself under investigation for having used government ties to secure certain leases/contracts - something that the prosecutor AFTER the one Joe had fired levied a multi-million dollar fine against him for.

The point of the new board appointees was indeed to change the international image of Burisma and almost all of its business was concentrated in the region - there never were any ties to America or American interests. The goal was to make Burisma attractive for outside investors, not to gain favor with the U.S. government, because Burisma's business had nothing to do with the U.S..

One of the board members was a Cyprus attorney, another was an accountant based in London, another was the owner's college-aged daughter. If I remember correctly, only 2 or 3 members had any background in the energy industry themselves. Of course Hunter got the position due to his name and already having been a contractor for Burisma on other corporate business that was his company's field of business wholly unrelated to energy.

The "scandal" never made any sense.

#10 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-10-23 06:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

When a Rep has an opinion, Dems shrug their shoulders and can never understand. Which is terrible when we have to govern for a country of 300m people with differing opinions.
#2 | Posted by humtake

Because repub "opinions" are based on an alternate reality of fallacies and lies. If repubs accepted real facts then we'd be more considerate of their opinions.

But when your entire party has become the cult of the world's most famous liar, and only listens to fake news sources created to lie to them, it's a waste of everyone's time to even call your opinions "opinions". They're more like DELUSIONS.

And delusions don't deserve a seat at the table.

#11 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-10-23 07:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Taras Burdeinyi is the chief executive officer of Burisma Holdings,[1][11] and Alan Apter is chairman of the board of directors.[2][3] As of 14 October 2019, the members of the board of directors, in order of seniority, are Alan Apter, Aleksander Kwaniewski, Joseph Cofer Black, Karina Zlochevska, Christina Sofocleous, Riginos Charalampous, and Marina Pericleous.[2][3] Aleksander Kwaniewski, former president of Poland, joined the board in January 2014.[34][35]

In 2017, Joseph Cofer Black, former director of the Counterterrorism Center of the Central Intelligence Agency (1999"2002) in the George W. Bush administration and former Ambassador-at-Large for counter-terrorism (2002"2004), was appointed to the board.[36] Karina Zlochevska, daughter of Mykola Zlochevskiy, was also appointed in February 2016.[2][3]

In April 2014, Devon Archer, a former senior adviser to the John Kerry 2004 presidential campaign, and Hunter Biden, an attorney and the son of then-US vice president Joe Biden, joined the board.[34][37] Archer left the company in 2018[38] and Hunter Biden left in April 2019, when his term as a director expired.[9]

In April 2014, the Serious Fraud Office of the United Kingdom launched a money laundering investigation against Zlochevsky and accounts of Burisma Holdings and its parent Brociti Investments at the London branch of BNP Paribas containing US$23 million were frozen. That money was transferred as a result of complex transactions by a company controlled by a Ukrainian businessman Serhiy Kurchenko, a subject of the European Union restrictive measures.[39] When the Ukrainian prosecutor general's office failed to provide documents needed for the investigation, a British court in January 2015 dropped the case and ordered to unfreeze the assets.[40] In September 2015, then-U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt gave a speech in which he called out Ukrainian prosecutors for failing to cooperate with the investigation.[40]

Office of the Prosecutor General of Ukraine and National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine (NABU) have conducted in total 15 investigations on Burisma's owner Zlochevsky.[41] In 2016, former Prosecutor General Yuriy Lutsenko accused Burisma subsidiaries of conspiracy and tax evasion of about one billion hryvnias (US$70 million) in 2014"2015, but later during investigation subsidiaries of Burisma were not mentioned.[42] Tax audit of Esko-Pivnich by the State Fiscal Service found some violations in 2016. As a result, 50 million hryvnias (US$1.9 million) of additional taxes was paid to eliminate criminal charges.[42]

In total, Burisma paid additional 180 million hryvnias (US$7.44 million) of taxes to avoid further criminal proceedings.[9][25] A criminal investigation was conducted if natural resources extraction licenses were issued to Burisma subsidiaries legally during the period Zlochevsky held government office. Although violations of the procedure were established by NABU, the Specialized Anti-Corruption Prosecutor's Office missed procedural deadlines for a lawsuit and the case for nullifying licenses was dismissed by the court.[42] In October 2019, Prosecutor General Ruslan Riaboshapka announced that all 15 investigation cases will be reviewed.[41]

en.wikipedia.org

The highlighted portion shows that the U.S. Government was upset that the Ukraine prosecutor refused to cooperate with the British court's investigation - this was one of the reasons Joe Biden wanted that prosecutor fired before allowing Ukraine to get their loan guarantees.

In actuality, Joe's actions were detrimental to Burisma, not helpful. So again, where exactly is a scandal?

#12 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-10-23 07:32 PM | Reply

So again, where exactly is a scandal?
#12 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

The scandal is outed as a nothingburger within the nuance, which is typical for Republicans and the opposite for House Democrats who impeached the president.

#13 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-10-23 08:06 PM | Reply

#7. Gunslinger

Unregistered Newsworthy Flag.

In fact, Unregistered Newsworthy Flags all around.

#14 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-10-24 09:50 PM | Reply

It's quite telling that when confronted with actual facts and evidence those who claim that Hunter and Joe Biden are walking, talking manifestations of a corrupted family with dirty dealings, we don't see or hear a peep from them.

It really is like cockroaches scurrying once the lights come on for fear of getting smushed.

Burisma wanted an image-cleaning board and secured it to the public benefit of its corporate profile. It paid Hunter $50,000 a month for a 60 month contract which is indeed $3 million which he duly reported and paid all taxes owed. But Burisma also paid every other board member as well but have not disclosed how much because they are a private company and that is their right.

Hunter's company had already been hired by Burisma to do consulting work prior to being asked to serve on its board, so even his connection to it did not come out of thin air like is being alleged.

Burisma has never had a contract or connection to the U.S Government so there was nothing to be gained from their association with Hunter Biden but for his name being tied to the company's attempts to rehabilitate its own reputation - which also included a former Bush 43 counter-terrorism agency director and the former President of Poland - neither of whom had any direct experience in the energy field either.

#15 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-10-25 04:33 AM | Reply

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