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Wednesday, November 18, 2020

With Donald Trump hunkered down in the White House and his sycophants floating the idea of committing voter fraud, President-elect Joe Biden seems to be making a concerted effort not to fan the flames. According to NBC News, Biden is likely to discourage investigations into his predecessor, voicing "concerns that [they] would further divide a country he is trying to unite and risk making every day of his presidency about Trump."

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It is right for Biden to not get involved with the decision to prosecute or not prosecute Trump. In fact, he should keep his mouth shut and not say another effin word about the matter.

Biden's choice of AG will signal the extent to which he does/does not want to prosecute Trump. However, if Trump isn't punished, it will be just another sign that there are two justice systems; one of the rich and famous and one for the rest of us. While many people will be pissed with lack of punishment, I suspect that black, brown and poor people in general will be especially pissed. You can bet with the number of black and brown people around Biden, he will face considerable pressure to appoint an AG that will hold Trump to account.

I have also heard talk that the HOR will NOT be pursuing release of the unredacted Mueller report. If that is the case, it will demonstate that it was all a scam; just something that was purely political and meant to embarrass Trump rather than an attempt to get at the truth. Same thing applies for the release of Trump's taxes.

Criminals must be held to account as a deterrent to other criminals and affirm the belief that we are a nation of laws. The best way to prevent another Trump is to pushish the current one.

#1 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2020-11-18 01:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

More same ole,same ole, from the Democrats. They never learn. Prosecuting wrongdoing is important and nescessary. Bush walked,Nixon walked, nobody's ever accountable. The malfeasance just festers and gets worse the next time around and politicians think they are untouchable.

DISGUSTING AND TOTALLY EXPECTED.

#2 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-11-18 01:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

More same ole,same ole, from the Democrats. They never learn. Prosecuting wrongdoing is important and nescessary. Bush walked,Nixon walked, nobody's ever accountable. The malfeasance just festers and gets worse the next time around and politicians think they are untouchable.

DISGUSTING AND TOTALLY EXPECTED.

#3 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-11-18 01:24 PM | Reply

@#1 ... If that is the case, it will demonstate that it was all a scam; just something that was purely political and meant to embarrass Trump rather than an attempt to get at the truth. ...

Non-sequitur.

#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-11-18 01:27 PM | Reply

They quoted an advisor. That doesn't mean he'll do nothing.

But Biden doesn't want to spoil his opportunity to govern in the first 18 months by spending it on Trump.

this is what Trump was counting on. The show must go on and Biden wants to work with the GOP. Chasing Trump might make that harder.

#5 | Posted by eberly at 2020-11-18 01:38 PM | Reply

Ford set the presedent. His former boss Obama did the same. Sadly we don't hold our leaders accountable in this country.

#6 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-11-18 02:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Only a fool would shoot off their mouth about putting Trump in prison while Trumo is still president with the nuke codes.

Biden should imply that he will let Trump escape justice until Jan 20. Then declassify and watch the NY State prosecutors tear Trump apart before picking at his carcase.

#7 | Posted by bored at 2020-11-18 02:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

But Biden doesn't want to spoil his opportunity to govern in the first 18 months by spending it on Trump

I know that staunch Trump supporters are immune to facts but there are plenty of Trump voters that aren't; they just vote for the republican.

Revealing the extent of Trump's malfeasance may help lift some of the fog that has taken up residence in the brains of many republican voters and make those that simply vote against democrats do a little soul searching. I would tie all of Trump's malfeasance to republicans that enabled his bad behavior with the hope of peeling off a few of them to vote for dems in the 2022 elections.

Prosecuting Trump may also help dilute some of the incoming attacks that Biden will surely face from Trumnp and his sycophants once Trump is evicted from the WH.

#8 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2020-11-18 02:30 PM | Reply

It seems Biden doesn't want to spend his time as President going after Donald Trump.

But, he's not opposed to his AG going after Trump.

Nor does any of this save Trump from SDNY.

Biden isn't pardoning Trump.

But, he's not going to spend his presidency giving that narcissist more attention.

#9 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-11-18 02:33 PM | Reply

8

I agree with all of that.

How many republicans would do any soul searching? Not sure....but some would. Could it make a difference for dems in time for the next mid-terms? I don't know.

#10 | Posted by eberly at 2020-11-18 02:36 PM | Reply

"Ford set the presedent. His former boss Obama did the same. Sadly we don't hold our leaders accountable in this country.
#6 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR"

Obama was 13 years old when Ford was President.

#11 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2020-11-18 02:36 PM | Reply

Revealing the extent of Trump's malfeasance may help lift some of the fog that has taken up residence in the brains of many republican voters and make those that simply vote against democrats do a little soul searching.

I highly doubt it:

Stripped of a lot of what might be called cognitive-science-ese, Mercier and Sperber's argument runs, more or less, as follows: Humans' biggest advantage over other species is our ability to coperate. Coperation is difficult to establish and almost as difficult to sustain. For any individual, freeloading is always the best course of action. Reason developed not to enable us to solve abstract, logical problems or even to help us draw conclusions from unfamiliar data; rather, it developed to resolve the problems posed by living in collaborative groups. ...

If reason is designed to generate sound judgments, then it's hard to conceive of a more serious design flaw than confirmation bias. Imagine, Mercier and Sperber suggest, a mouse that thinks the way we do. Such a mouse, "bent on confirming its belief that there are no cats around," would soon be dinner. To the extent that confirmation bias leads people to dismiss evidence of new or underappreciated threats"the human equivalent of the cat around the corner"it's a trait that should have been selected against. The fact that both we and it survive, Mercier and Sperber argue, proves that it must have some adaptive function, and that function, they maintain, is related to our "hypersociability." ...

In "Denying to the Grave: Why We Ignore the Facts That Will Save Us" (Oxford), Jack Gorman, a psychiatrist, and his daughter, Sara Gorman, a public-health specialist, probe the gap between what science tells us and what we tell ourselves. Their concern is with those persistent beliefs which are not just demonstrably false but also potentially deadly, like the conviction that vaccines are hazardous. Of course, what's hazardous is not being vaccinated; that's why vaccines were created in the first place. "Immunization is one of the triumphs of modern medicine," the Gormans note. But no matter how many scientific studies conclude that vaccines are safe, and that there's no link between immunizations and autism, anti-vaxxers remain unmoved. (They can now count on their side"sort of"Donald Trump, who has said that, although he and his wife had their son, Barron, vaccinated, they refused to do so on the timetable recommended by pediatricians.)


(To be continued...)

#12 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-11-18 02:53 PM | Reply

Continued from #12:

The Gormans, too, argue that ways of thinking that now seem self-destructive must at some point have been adaptive. And they, too, dedicate many pages to confirmation bias, which, they claim, has a physiological component. They cite research suggesting that people experience genuine pleasure"a rush of dopamine"when processing information that supports their beliefs. "It feels good to stick to our guns' even if we are wrong," they observe.

The Gormans don't just want to catalogue the ways we go wrong; they want to correct for them. There must be some way, they maintain, to convince people that vaccines are good for kids, and handguns are dangerous. (Another widespread but statistically insupportable belief they'd like to discredit is that owning a gun makes you safer.) But here they encounter the very problems they have enumerated. Providing people with accurate information doesn't seem to help; they simply discount it. Appealing to their emotions may work better, but doing so is obviously antithetical to the goal of promoting sound science. "The challenge that remains," they write toward the end of their book, "is to figure out how to address the tendencies that lead to false scientific belief."

"The Enigma of Reason," "The Knowledge Illusion," and "Denying to the Grave" were all written before the November election. And yet they anticipate Kellyanne Conway and the rise of "alternative facts." These days, it can feel as if the entire country has been given over to a vast psychological experiment being run either by no one or by Steve Bannon. Rational agents would be able to think their way to a solution. But, on this matter, the literature is not reassuring.

www.newyorker.com from Feb. 20, 2017.

TL;DR
It doesn't matter how many facts you throw at someone who is steadfast in their beliefs. Confirmation bias in the digital age has completely ruined reason as we once knew it. IOW, no, facts do not matter to Trumpers.

#13 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-11-18 02:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"I highly doubt it:"

I was going to add that his opinion is a minority opinion here.........

#14 | Posted by eberly at 2020-11-18 02:56 PM | Reply

@#6 ... Sadly we don't hold our leaders accountable in this country. ...

While that may be true, maybe the better way to get the United States back on its feet is to focus everyone in the country upon the common ideas and dreams that unite us, instead of continuing to tear ourselves apart from the inside.

#15 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-11-18 03:17 PM | Reply

NBC News HOT TAKE: Watergate Lawyer Says Biden Should Pardon Trump " And Democrats Should Like It!
www.mediaite.com

#16 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-11-18 03:22 PM | Reply

@RsytBeach11

Well, seeing as how Biden has already firmly committed to not pardoning Trump, looks like Trump will be out of luck on the entire Biden Pardon route.

Or I guess Dems can look forward to having their butts soundly trounced in elections for the foreseeable future as half the base rightfully abandons them if Biden reneges.

Who's going to tell him? https://t.co/4gMBlPtxeK pic.twitter.com/3hiRI3Hk2W" Tommy X-TrumpIsARacist-opher (@tommyxtopher) November 18, 2020


Trump will go with the self-pardon or resignation followed by a Pence Pardon anyway. Then we can all watch the state prosecutions with restrained glee.

#17 | Posted by censored at 2020-11-18 04:40 PM | Reply

Why restrained?

#18 | Posted by bored at 2020-11-18 05:24 PM | Reply

Why restrained? #18 | Posted by bored

Gotta pace myself. Saving some joy for the off-chance Trumpty-Dumpty and family start doing jail time.

#19 | Posted by censored at 2020-11-18 06:47 PM | Reply

Biden won't have to investigate Trump. Just leave it to the DOJ and take a hands-off/non-interference policy to whatever the SDNY decides. That would be the smart move. No reason for Biden to get any of Trump's mud on him.

#20 | Posted by moder8 at 2020-11-18 06:58 PM | Reply

Biden doesn't want the pursuit of Dotard to dominate the headlines the way that Orange Hitler has sought to dominate media attention daily. The FBI and DOJ will do their work, and we'll be pleasantly surprised when indictments are announced.

Joe wants to get to work on the pandemic and the economy. He wants to be seen as working for the American people, not pursuing what the GOP would claim is political retribution.

#21 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2020-11-18 07:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If biden's attorney general doesn't investigate everything trump did while in power, he is saying that crime is now ok if you lead a large angry cult.

You don't just enforce the law to protect people from the criminal in the future, you enforce it AS A DETERRENT AND EXAMPLE to show all the dumb angry little mini trumps that his path doesn't lead to success, it leads to prison. Otherwise, we'll hvae a future full of trumps.

If biden lets trump off the hook, it will hurt the dems as much as when obama let wall street execs off the hook.

#22 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-11-18 10:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

"We look forward,not back". "Impeachment is off the table". "Time for the nation's wounds to heal, not partisan strife".

More leaders never held accountable. Americans never prosecute their ex leaders.

We're dumb that way.

#23 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-11-19 01:08 AM | Reply

Letting Fat Nixon slide on his crimes would be a horrible message to send. Presidents have to understand that they cannot act in a complete lawless criminal manner without repercussions.

Imagine if in 1945 the allies instead of the Nuremberg trials just said "We have to move on and put this dark chapter behind us to heal."

#24 | Posted by Nixon at 2020-11-19 07:55 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Imagine if in 1945 the allies instead of the Nuremberg trials just said "We have to move on and put this dark chapter behind us to heal."

Bad analogy. Imagine that only HALF of the allies wanted to revisit Nazi atrocities to hold perpetrators responsible while the other half actually sympathized with those who committed them.

Personally, I want to see Trump and those complicit in anti-democratic acts and outright lawbreaking to ALL be held accountable for their actions.

However, when a substantial portion of the country not only disagrees with that assessment - they actively view those seeking justice as the criminals themselves - it's easy to understand that the need to communally deal with all the other immediate pressing issues facing this nation might fatally suffer if such a righteous agenda was pursued at the same time.

The allies were 'allied', hence Nuremberg happened even with Soviet machinations trying to undermine aspects of it. Today, any attempt by Democrats to hold Republicans responsible for their norm- and law-breaking will be met with fevered opposition and a relentless onslaught of vitriol where half of Americans will view anything the Democrats do with suspicion and scorn - setting the stage for yet another GOP resurrection in 2022.

The fact that the Trump Administration has already politicized the Department of Justice will only further underscore that attempts at retroactive justice will be painted and propagandized as Democratic, deep-state persecutions, full stop.

If you can figure out a way to overcome and politically neutralize this inevitable onslaught then you're better than me.

#25 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-11-19 08:19 AM | Reply

... fevered opposition and a relentless onslaught of vitriol where half of Americans will view anything the Democrats do with suspicion and scorn - setting the stage for yet another GOP resurrection in 2022.

Fevered opposition and a relentless onslaught of vitriol is what republicans do. No amount of logic, reasoning or apeasement is going to stop them. To use that as an excuse not to pursue justice makes a mockery of our claim that justice is blind.

The US is a big and complicated country full of talented and resourceful people. We can walk and chew gum at the same time. Certainly, priorities should be set and our first priority should be to deal with covid and its reprocussions. But followed closely behind must be an attempt to reveal the extent of Trump's abuses of power and how it happened so that we can take the necessary legislative steps to prevent a reoccurrance. Criminal charges, if warranted, can be followed up by the DOJ and any other aggrieved authority(ies).

While there are many Trump supporters that are loyal to him, many of the people that voted for him were simply voting against the democrat. With the right policies, those that simply voted against the democrat may be won over if they believe that Biden's policies are helping them.

Finally, between court appearances, Trump will make the time to tweet and hold rallies. Revealing his misdeeds that were covered over with redactions, executive actions and threats of executive actions will be necessary to couter the onslaught of lies from him and his followers.

#26 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2020-11-19 09:30 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The law should apply to everyone and not be applied, or not, at the whim of Biden.

#27 | Posted by lduvall at 2020-11-19 10:53 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

However, when a substantial portion of the country not only disagrees with that assessment - they actively view those seeking justice as the criminals themselves - it's easy to understand that the need to communally deal with all the other immediate pressing issues facing this nation might fatally suffer if such a righteous agenda was pursued at the same time.

#25 | Posted by tonyroma

Have you not been paying attention? Having a trump in the white house gets people killed. Prosecuting trump will help prevent future trumps which will save lives.

Preventing another trump should be our second highest priority after stopping the pandemic.

#28 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-11-19 12:13 PM | Reply

"The show must go on and Biden wants to work with the GOP. Chasing Trump might make that harder."

Obama to work with them, it got him nowhere. Mitch McConnell, if he retains the title of Majority Leader, will not work with Biden on anything. Biden should work on investigating Trump and McConnell. Both are traitors and crooks.

#29 | Posted by danni at 2020-11-19 12:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Have you not been paying attention?

Preventing another trump should be our second highest priority after stopping the pandemic.

Have YOU been paying attention? 250,000 Americans who were alive when this year started are now dead from Covid and more are dying at a clip of 1500+ per day, YET Donald Trump just received 10 effing million MORE VOTES than he did in 2016!

Do you think these people will just sit idly by if Biden openly goes after Trump once he's inaugurated? You'll be the first one crying about why couldn't the Democrats get anything done when 2022 rolls around and the GOP sweeps both houses of Congress while Biden is blamed for everything that happened because of Trump's incompetence. We just lived this story 12 years ago, perhaps you weren't old enough to realize what was going on, but I was and I see no need to make the same idiotic mistakes yet again.

Ignoring Trump's cultish hold on a not insignificant portion of America has already killed people and I don't want to see it needlessly kill even more. As much as I want to see Trump and his evil minions held criminally responsible for every illicit thing that they've done, at THIS POINT, with the life defining priorities facing all Americans, it would be foolish to spend what little capital Biden will emerge with on futile vendettas against Trump that will only enrage his base and steel the entire GOP to oppose any and all things that Biden tries to do.

I don't like it, but I at least understand reality as it exists, not as I wish that it did.

#30 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-11-19 12:34 PM | Reply

"and law-breaking will be met with fevered opposition and a relentless onslaught of vitriol where half of Americans will view anything the Democrats do with suspicion and scorn - setting the stage for yet another GOP resurrection in 2022."

Regardless of what the Democrats do all of that is going to happen anyway and why couldn't 2022 be a Democratic revival?

#31 | Posted by danni at 2020-11-19 12:36 PM | Reply

If Trump goes down, it will FIRST be in state courts, likely New York. And once he's convicted there, THEN it will be easier for federal LEO to revisit his crimes committed while in office.

But in my opinion, he first needs to be found guilty by an impartial jury just like Manafort and Stone were when the rubber met the road. Biden needs to keep his fingerprints as far away from any of this as he can. But that doesn't mean that government cannot impartially do their job when presented with evidence of Trump's crimes. Joe just shouldn't be out in front, that's all.

#32 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-11-19 12:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I understand the argument for just letting Trump go.

The argument for chasing him down is much better. It is in the national interest, the national security interest, to see just how low he's been willing to go.

Investigate and prosecute. Let the truth be known instead of letting Trump and Trumpites write a never-ending series to substitute as history.

#33 | Posted by Zed at 2020-11-19 12:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If Trump goes down, it will FIRST be in state courts, likely New York. And once he's convicted there, THEN it will be easier for federal LEO to revisit his crimes committed while in office.

Trump is already an unindicted co-conspirator relative to his misdeeds in the Michael Cohen/Stormy Daniels case. The only thing that kept him from being prosecuted was his position as POTUS. Once he is out of office, that case immediately pops to the top of the queue. To ignore it would be a miscarriage of justice and I don't think that any AG that Biden would name would push it aside for political considerations; just as it shouldn't be taken up for political considerations.

There are some timing considerations to be considered wrt the Stormy Daniels case. The statue of limitations on that case (and maybe others) was due to expire during Trump's 2nd term which is one of the reasons he is fighting so hard to stay in office. It would be a terrible miscarriage of justice if the case could not be prosecuted because the statue of limitations expired. And, given the time it takes for any case to come to trial and be adjudicated, that is exactly what would happen if the feds waited on NY and NYC prosecutions to complete before taking action.

I think that We all agree that Biden should stay as far away from DOJ as humanly possible. Even at that, republicans will try to tie him to it because that is what republicans do. If you don't believe that, just think back to how republicans tried to link Obama to DOJ investigations.

#34 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2020-11-19 01:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Have YOU been paying attention? 250,000 Americans who were alive when this year started are now dead from Covid and more are dying at a clip of 1500+ per day, YET Donald Trump just received 10 effing million MORE VOTES than he did in 2016!

Do you think these people will just sit idly by if Biden openly goes after Trump once he's inaugurated?
#30 | Posted by tonyroma

So your argument is basically - trump supporters are passionate and crazy, therefore trump is allowed to break the law and go uninvestigated and unprosecuted. If you have a crazy cult who will get upset if you are prosecuted, you are above the law.

Trump supporters will oppose biden 100% automatically even if he legalizes all of trump's crimes.

#35 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-11-19 01:53 PM | Reply

So your argument is basically - trump supporters are passionate and crazy, therefore trump is allowed to break the law and go uninvestigated and unprosecuted.

No, my argument is that Biden's and America's foremost pressing priority is not prosecuting Trump the second he leaves the White House. And by pressing something that is so politically toxic, it will negatively influence the very things that Biden will be trying to accomplish - pandemic relief and economic revitalization through building up green-friendly production - by creating an undefeatable opposition on the GOP side even if the majority of Americans suffer as a result. And then in 2022 the GOP will again gain complete control of Congress running against the Democrats' inability to get anything done but for persecuting Republicans, the message that will dominate right wing media from now until then along with every other 'socialist' tripe they manage to trot out.

My position is nuanced Speaks because the very core of current American political reality is so polarized and one side is completely fact averse.

#36 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-11-19 02:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

No, my argument is that Biden's and America's foremost pressing priority is not prosecuting Trump the second he leaves the White House. And by pressing something that is so politically toxic, it will negatively influence the very things that Biden will be trying to accomplish - pandemic relief and economic revitalization through building up green-friendly production - by creating an undefeatable opposition on the GOP side even if the majority of Americans suffer as a result. And then in 2022 the GOP will again gain complete control of Congress running against the Democrats' inability to get anything done but for persecuting Republicans, the message that will dominate right wing media from now until then along with every other 'socialist' tripe they manage to trot out.

My position is nuanced Speaks because the very core of current American political reality is so polarized and one side is completely fact averse.

#36 | Posted by tonyroma

Republicans aren't going to work with biden on ANYTHING, so let that fantasy die right now.

Once you accept that, doing the one thing dems CAN do to help the future - prevent more trumps - is the most useful and helpful thing dems can do.

Unless you want to run against trump again in 2024?

#37 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-11-19 02:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I think SPEAK is right on this one. Republican accusations don't depend on facts. They just make up anything they want and their followers will believe it. They have controlled language and framing in this country for at least the last 40 years. The rest of the world is not viewing us through these red-colored glasses and see the reality that the "rule of law" in the US is a sham.

Crystal Mason is serving 5 years for voting in Texas because she had not finished her probation. She was not even aware that she was voting illegally.

"Contrary to Mason's assertion, the fact that she did not know she was legally ineligible to vote was irrelevant to her prosecution," Justice Wade Birdwell wrote for a three-judge panel on Texas' second court of appeals. www.theguardian.com

But Trump is completely aware of what he is doing, but should not be brought to justice?

How can we call that "Equal Justice Under the Law"?

It looks like GWB was right: "it's just a piece of paper".

#38 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2020-11-19 02:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Words of wisdom from a former Mueller prosecutor:

Andrew Weissmann @AWeissmann_ (20+ years at Justice Department; 10 as defense counsel)

Should Trump be investigated and prosecuted when he is out of office?
Yes. A president is not above the law. If he broke it before or during his presidency, he must face the consequences anyone else would. To do otherwise would set a precedent that he is above the law.
9:49 PM Nov 17, 2020

If a president can obstruct a Special Counsel investigation without being prosecuted for it than the presidency will be above the law. And the very reason to appoint Special Counsels is fatally undermined.
11:02 PM Nov 18, 2020

#39 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-11-19 09:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#39 And for good measure:

Andrew Weissmann @AWeissmann_

Engaging in fraud to overturn a presidential election is a crime.
Trump's conduct may well result in additional federal and state bases to prosecute him for election fraud. And he cannot pardon his way out of state charges. via @NYTimes

twitter.com

#40 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-11-19 11:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

My guess is Biden knows the State of New York already has the goods on Trump and he's willing to let them do the "dirty work" while his administration addresses COVID, the economy, etc. I think this is a pretty smart move.

Trump will absolutely love state prison.

#41 | Posted by anton at 2020-11-20 06:37 AM | Reply

He knows chasing false rumors of Trump's so called criminal actions is a waste of time.
From "Day One" he has a lot more to worry about.

#42 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2020-11-20 12:11 PM | Reply

He knows chasing false rumors of Trump's so called criminal actions is a waste of time.
From "Day One" he has a lot more to worry about.

#42 | Posted by phesterOBoyle

Cult member says it's a waste of time to look into cult leader's array of crimes. Shocker.

Micheal Cohen is in jail for one of those "so called" crimes, and the presidency was the only reason trump isn't right beside him.

#43 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-11-20 12:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Jail for lying.. reward for arson and stealing.
We are dying on PC.

#44 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2020-11-20 12:49 PM | Reply

Biden needs to face the fact that if he let's the tRump Crime family and Criminal Administration off the hook, the Dems will get slaughtered in 2022.

#45 | Posted by northguy3 at 2020-11-20 01:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Jail for lying.. reward for arson and stealing.
We are dying on PC.

#44 | Posted by phesterOBoyle

Go google why michael cohen is in jail. Learn something.

And then lookup who his "unindicted co conspirator" was.

#46 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-11-20 01:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Northguy sighting... Hey, man!

#47 | Posted by Corky at 2020-11-20 01:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The problem Joe has with overtly going after Trump legally is that so many Republicans in Congress will still represent districts where Trump is still King, and will find it hard to not oppose policy that they might otherwise let slide if there is no such effort by Biden directly.

It's a damn shame, and there are other ways than Biden doing it, but getting progressive policy passed may take precedent over seeing Trump behind bars, although that is also a priority.

#48 | Posted by Corky at 2020-11-20 01:32 PM | Reply

I doubt Biden is planning on pardoning Trump.

Plus.

SDNY has enough to put Trump away.

Pretty sure Trump will be in prison soon enough.

#49 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-11-20 02:10 PM | Reply

he's another one-termer who will accomplish very little other than a few EOs, that will be reversed upon his departure.
#50 | POSTED BY SOURBEER

Thanks for your prediction, Nostradumbass.

Love the sour grapes.

Really makes me smile.

#51 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-11-20 04:28 PM | Reply

Biden doesn't need to investigate Trumpy. It's not his job. And fortunately he knows it.

There are plenty of other qualified professional legal investigators willing to do that.

Biden should just stay out of it and let the law take its own course.

As Trumpy should have done.

#52 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-11-20 04:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Re: #53

Aren't you a Tr*** supporter? You have no business accusing anyone of having poor mental faculties.

#54 | Posted by hamburglar at 2020-11-20 04:49 PM | Reply

the man is 77 years old and clearly showing signs of dementia.

Still more coherent standing behind the podium than the Orange Caligula.

It's refreshing hearing Biden speak after four years of hate and incompetence spewing out of Trump.

#56 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-11-20 04:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Do you honestly believe that Biden will be an effective world leader into his mid 80's considering his age and dementia here and now?

#57 | POSTED BY SOURBEER

He led 80 million people to get him in the WH even with his advanced age and onset dementia. So, yes.

#58 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-11-20 05:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Do you honestly believe that Biden will be an effective world leader into his mid 80's

Actually. Yes.

Now you be honest.

You don't care about dementia or being an effective world leader.

You're a cultist who is upset Trump lost.

Despite Trump having dementia and being a failed leader both domestically and internationally.

#59 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-11-20 05:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

TRUMP LOST

#60 | Posted by hamburglar at 2020-11-20 05:51 PM | Reply

#45

Where in the Hell have you been?

#61 | Posted by willowby at 2020-11-20 08:37 PM | Reply

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