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Monday, November 23, 2020

Warnings from public health officials not to travel for Thanksgiving didn't stop passengers from packing US airports and planes this weekend.

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The airlines say that the cleaning procedures used between flights, the exchange of fresh air in the cabin throughout flights and the hospital-quality air filters now used on planes make it safe to fly. The airlines also require passengers to wear masks.

But officials from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention say the risk of spreading disease lies less in the flight itself and more with large family gatherings, especially with hospitals in many parts of the country already at capacity treating Covid patients.

How many newly acquired infections in the prime of their contagious period will be hopping on another flight to return home late this week or early next week?

Stupid stupid stupid.

#1 | Posted by jpw at 2020-11-23 01:40 PM | Reply

Dumbfocks!

#2 | Posted by a_monson at 2020-11-23 07:05 PM | Reply

Just pack some Hydroharlequin. You'll be okay. I'll be here if you need me.
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#3 | Posted by LesWit at 2020-11-23 07:57 PM | Reply

I'm going to set aside some money for when it's time to start collecting houses who's owners died of their own stupidity.

#4 | Posted by Tor at 2020-11-23 08:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Related...

Why a negative Covid-19 test before Thanksgiving isn't an all-clear
www.vox.com

...A negative test isn't enough to have a safe holiday. Here's why.

More frequent Covid-19 testing is one key to help end the pandemic. But as individuals, we can't rely on testing alone to protect ourselves and others.

Take this recent example: Public health officials in New Zealand reported on a cluster of cases that likely spread aboard a long-haul flight. Yet the suspected index cases -- the people who likely spread the virus to others -- tested negative for the virus a couple of days before boarding their plane in Switzerland and thought they weren't infected.

This goes to show: A negative test is not an all-clear in terms of being able to safely interact with others without masks or other precautions. "Testing negative is not like a passport for people to go out and do whatever they want to do," as Muge Cevik, a virologist and physician at the University of St. Andrews, told me earlier this fall.

As people make (unwise) plans to travel this Thanksgiving week, they should understand that testing negative does not mean it's safe to be in close contact with other people. It does not mean it's safe to take masks off.

Scientists don't yet know exactly when a person who is infected with the coronavirus will start testing positive for the virus. There are situations when a person could test negative, be infected, and also be contagious. It's also possible -- since the virus multiplies itself exponentially in the body very quickly -- that someone could test negative in the morning (and not be contagious), but by the afternoon test positive (and be very contagious). ...



#5 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-11-23 08:41 PM | Reply

Ignore the science, expect the COVID. Idiots.

#6 | Posted by danni at 2020-11-24 10:30 AM | Reply

"Ignore the science, expect the COVID. Idiots."

What about the math? Should you ignore that?

For ages 0-19, the odds of dying of COVID are about 1/33k.

For Ages 20-49, the odds of dying are about 1/5k.

For ages 50-69, the odds are 1/200.

So if you're a 45 year old without any sort of co-morbility, and you want to your similarly co-morbidity-free kids to come home for the holidays, the risk calculus is pretty low.

In fact your college-age child is far more likely to die in a car accident than from COVID. Travelling on an aircraft is quite a bit safer though.

#7 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-11-24 02:05 PM | Reply

"For ages 0-19, the odds of dying of COVID are about 1/33k. For Ages 20-49, the odds of dying are about 1/5k."

And what are the odds of developing long-term pulmonary problems? Or are you still pretending those dangers don't exist?
www.cbsnews.com

"your college-age child is far more likely to die in a car accident than from COVID."

Most folks able to infect others with Covid are asymptomatic.
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#8 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-11-24 02:10 PM | Reply

#7

I've never worried about this in terms of the risks to myself. I've always been under the impression that we're all taking these precautions to protect others. And you may have co-morbidities that you aren't even aware of yet. Or, even if the virus doesn't kill you, it may cause other long term health issues.

You and your family might catch the virus and be fine. But can you read the co-morbidity of everyone else you come in contact with? The purpose of these precautions is to protect others, to slow the spread.. to not overwhelm our healthcare resources. Those resources are being overwhelmed all over the US right now. In many facilities they only have half the staff they need. Even if you don't get COVID, I certainly hope you don't have a medical emergency or need an ICU bed right now. It may be tough to get in.

If your family comes together and spreads it among each other, they're just as likely to take it back and spread it among others. These are the reasons for concern.

I find your perspective to be selfish.

#9 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2020-11-24 02:31 PM | Reply

"And what are the odds of developing long-term pulmonary problems? Or are you still pretending those dangers don't exist?"

I don't know. And your link didn't work. Perhaps you can present the numbers. Or even better, a larger media outlet, so that those travelling can make a more accurate assessment of risk calculus.

"Most folks able to infect others with Covid are asymptomatic."

So...that's debatable...but for the sake of this academic argument, you're right. Which is why risk calculus is different for different people. If you are a 45 year old who is obese and has congestive heart problems, it's a good idea to keep yourself locked away. Within a year, it's going to be less likely you die from COVID. If you're an 89 year old who is obese and have congestive heart issues, you may want to risk COVID and spend time with your family, as you may not have another Thanksgiving on the books regardless of COVID.

#10 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-11-24 02:40 PM | Reply

"You and your family might catch the virus and be fine. But can you read the co-morbidity of everyone else you come in contact with?"

Yes. I cannot unilaterally choose to come into contact with someone who doesn't choose to come in to contact with me as well. Not unless they've chosen to isolate and I choose to break into their location of isolation. Which, of course, would be a criminal act.

"I find your perspective to be selfish."

Really? That's interesting to me.

I'm sort of playing the devil's advocate here, but it would appear that you're saying the majority of people should sacrifice parts of their life so that those at risk wouldn't be required to. Am I tracking that correctly? Because again, the 18 year old bar-hopper is only a threat to the person at risk if the person at risk exposes themselves. Wouldn't it be selfish for the at-risk person to demand that everyone else stop what they are doing?

#11 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-11-24 02:45 PM | Reply

#7 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

You get bitch slapped every time you comment on COVID because you always come back with the same stupid, uninformed crap arguments.

There's way more to it than death. You've been told that countless times.

#12 | Posted by jpw at 2020-11-24 03:06 PM | Reply

Because again, the 18 year old bar-hopper is only a threat to the person at risk if the person at risk exposes themselves.

#11 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

No. The problem is, the young bar-hopper might also work as a CNA at a local nursing home... Might be a dental hygienist... Might be coughing inside your next Uber... Might be spreading the virus to others without realizing they even have it.

Co-morbidity risk or not, we should all be taking precautions to protect each other. Part of those precautions means not traveling through crowded airports to have multi-household gatherings.

#13 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2020-11-24 03:06 PM | Reply

So...that's debatable...

Ummmm no, it's not.

#14 | Posted by jpw at 2020-11-24 03:08 PM | Reply

Apropos:

"Is seeing someone you love this year worth staring at their empty chair next year?"

#15 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-11-25 01:36 AM | Reply

"You get bitch slapped every time you comment on COVID because you always come back with the same stupid, uninformed crap arguments."

Not really.

The numbers are what they are. And they will factor in to one's decision calculus differently. And there may be more to it than death, but that hasn't been quantified in any meaningful way. If the CDC were to provide data, then it to would factor in. They haven't, instead providing more nebulous and meaningless estimates. Smoking can lead to long-term health problems. So can drinking. Yet people choose to do both because they perceive the enjoyment they get from it is worth the potential risk.

I spend about 2,500 hours hours in an ejection seat. It was there for a reason. I calculated that the risk of doing that job was less than the benefit. Many others have chosen differently.

#16 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-11-25 09:11 AM | Reply

"Co-morbidity risk or not, we should all be taking precautions to protect each other. Part of those precautions means not traveling through crowded airports to have multi-household gatherings."

You don't need to attempt to protect others when you protect yourself. Then they can be as dirty as they want to.

I will be having one of these multi-household gatherings. My boss, whom I work with every day. His wife, who works at my oldest daughter's school. And their daughter, who attends the same school. Maybe you can explain to me why this shouldn't be permitted.

#17 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-11-25 09:15 AM | Reply

MANY Americans are very, very unwise.

#18 | Posted by e1g1 at 2020-11-25 04:01 PM | Reply

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