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Monday, November 23, 2020

Steve Benen: President-elect Joe Biden's transition team made its first cabinet-level announcements today, with an emphasis on foreign policy, diplomacy, intelligence, and national security. The diversity of the group is certainly notable and important. But I'm also struck by how normal the choices are. After the last four years, we've grown accustomed to bizarre presidential choices for key roles, and Biden's new list is a reminder of how the executive branch is supposed to work in a functioning administration that values competence.

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It's also a reminder that the incoming Democratic White House is committed to a diverse team: If confirmed, Alejandro Mayorkas will be the first Latino and immigrant to lead DHS; Linda Thomas-Greenfield will be only the second Black woman to represent the United States at the U.N.; Avril Haines will be the first woman to lead the intelligence community; and [Janet] Yellen will be the first woman to lead the Treasury Department.

The fact that it's taken nearly a quarter of a millennium to have a woman serve as Treasury secretary is indefensible. The breakthrough is long overdue.

Radical normalcy, what a soothing concept after 4 years of a reality show presidency based on serving the narcissism of its leader.

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-11-23 05:20 PM | Reply

presidency based on serving the narcissism of its leader.

#1 | Posted by tonyroma

Plus the ignorance, greed, and vindictiveness of that leader.

#2 | Posted by Zed at 2020-11-23 05:48 PM | Reply

He's a corporate tool. We need less normalcy.

More rad choices, man.

#3 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-11-23 09:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

We need less normalcy.

You just had four years of that.

#4 | Posted by REDIAL at 2020-11-23 09:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

He's a corporate tool. We need less normalcy.
More rad choices, man.

POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER AT 2020-11-23 09:49 PM | REPLY

Yep same as it ever was. I'll be 80 and it will be the same song and dance as it ever was.

#5 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-11-23 10:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

nice try Dave

#6 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2020-11-24 06:45 AM | Reply

I'll be 80 and it will be the same song and dance as it ever was.

Only in your delusional world are competence compared to incompetence, experience compared to inexperience, qualified compared to unqualified, intelligence compared to unintelligence, and wisdom compared to arrogance considered equal concepts.

There is a huge reason that you will never live long enough to see your views become ascendent in America: Your views are not held by the majority of those who vote to elect actual representatives who have the power to enact change and you personally will never put in the work to change this dynamic. So you'll bitch until your last breath about what you can't achieve through hard work, damning everyone else for your own inabilities.

Your problem is democracy itself. You want authoritarianism from someone who agrees with you and forces everyone else to go along whether they believe the same or not.

#7 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-11-24 07:24 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

There is a huge reason that you will never live long enough to see your views become ascendent in America: Your views are not held by the majority of those who vote to elect actual representatives who have the power to enact change and you personally will never put in the work to change this dynamic. So you'll bitch until your last breath about what you can't achieve through hard work, damning everyone else for your own inabilities.
Your problem is democracy itself. You want authoritarianism from someone who agrees with you and forces everyone else to go along whether they believe the same or not.

POSTED BY TONYROMA AT 2020-11-24 07:24 AM | REPLY

Oh BS. The only reason why it won't happen is because corporate America have bought out both major political parties and won't advance anything that resembles real fundamental change. Some of us "get it" Too bad the DNC Shills can't or won't.

#8 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-11-24 09:57 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The only reason why it won't happen is because corporate America have bought out both major political parties and won't advance anything that resembles real fundamental change. Some of us "get it" Too bad the DNC Shills can't or won't.

You keep proving my point over and over with the obviousness of Bill Johnson.

Get off your fat ass and get in the streets with people who agree with you, like I do! I get tired of you bitching and moaning when I spend hours marching, demonstrating, protesting, showing up at my statehouse to have my voice heard and all you do is complain about the impact of money.

As I said, you want control, but you refuse to work for it. Life is not easy Laura and if anyone should understand that it is you of all people. You've shown remarkable courage just to be who you are, but you allow others to keep you down because fighting is just too hard for you because they have money and you don't?

Newsflash: The DNC doesn't win elections, money doesn't win elections, VOTERS win elections! That is why phone banking, door knocking, and in normal, non-pandemic times pressing the flesh are all so important. I guess you're ignoring all the stories these days about how all the money spent by Dems and progressives DIDN'T WORK! I'm not discounting money's influence, but you overinflate its effect when reality shows something completely different.

Until the day comes that money is not necessary for commerce, then money will have an outsized influence of elections and how they're won and lost - including who ends up running in the first place. Lamenting these facts shows you to be nothing but a loser Laura because you refuse to put your nose to the grindstone and do something about it to make the change you want to see. And that isn't money's fault, it's yours.

#9 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-11-24 10:18 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

No it's corporations buying both parties fault. It's the same ---- no matter who wins. It's low pay for thee, stock options and buybacks for the corporate rulers. The system is broken, Trump just proved that. The narrowness of his defeat is telling. Congress is still mostly repub. People are sick of voting change,but the only change is greater consolidation of the corporate control of everything. This happens no matter which party is in power. Trump,Biden,Clinton,it makes no real difference, that's why the corporations support both parties so willingly.

That's why Bernie got sandbagged. TWICE.

Wait a year,let's see how all your "normalcy" is doing then. The rich will keep cleaning up, and the poor will still not have gotten a raise or healthcare.

Nothing significant is going to change for me no matter who is in. That's why Trump won the first time.

You don't get it,not us.

#10 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-11-24 11:37 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

John Kerry Climate Czar

owns

6 Houses

16 Cars

2 Yachts

Private Jet

and he is going to tell us how we should live

the Left's hypocrisy knows no bounds

#11 | Posted by Maverick at 2020-11-24 11:54 AM | Reply

the Left's hypocrisy knows no bounds

#11 | Posted by Maverick at 2020

You're a Trump supporter.

#12 | Posted by Zed at 2020-11-24 11:56 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

John Kerry married a billionaire, so freaking what?

He has a lot of clout promoting projects that are good for the Earth.

Compare Kerry's goals with the Kochs' or Sheldon Adelson and it's not close.

#13 | Posted by bocaink at 2020-11-24 03:52 PM | Reply

One party works incrementally to change the system, because working radically loses elections, ask Bernie.

The other party works hard to keep the system and make it worse.

There are only two real national parties, and they are not the same in that important respect.

Of course, people like Bernie and Warren know this, while some other people have problems doing the maths.

#14 | Posted by Corky at 2020-11-24 04:05 PM | Reply

didn't Trump use up all the best ppl?

#15 | Posted by ichiro at 2020-11-24 06:33 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

how about a big fat Secretary of Education?

#16 | Posted by ichiro at 2020-11-24 06:34 PM | Reply

and where is Bill Barr? he has unopened messages.

#17 | Posted by ichiro at 2020-11-24 06:54 PM | Reply

He has a lot of clout promoting projects that are good for the Earth.

#13 | POSTED BY BOCAINK AT 2020-11-24 03:52 PM | FLAG:

Okay. Still, in the entire Democrat party, I'm willing to bet we could find somebody that's qualified for the job that does not have the carbon footprint of thousands of American families. Obviously there are, so the optics of this will continue to look bad.

#18 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-11-25 09:38 AM | Reply

"You're a Trump supporter."

I'm not. But his point stands.

I wonder how many Climate Action Summits were attended by people who flew in on private jets?

Climate Action for thee, but not for me.

#19 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-11-25 10:26 AM | Reply

This article was just another example of trash journalism from the office of Rachel Maddow.

I love this part:

"This is not to say that Biden's choices are perfect or undeserving of scrutiny. Blinken's corporate work, for example, will raise questions that deserve answers."

Why will this raise questions?

Are we against people with the skills to be gainfully employed?

Does someone want to check with Joe and make sure he actually wanted someone with experience on his team? Make sure this wasn't some sort of mistake?

#20 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-11-25 10:28 AM | Reply

"But his point stands."

Not without perspective.

The same argument was made about Al Gore, because he used more energy than the average person. Of course he did, he was rich, and had a large house. But it turned out he used LESS energy per square foot.

Without perspective, it's just a whine, that other people are richer than you.

#21 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-11-25 10:34 AM | Reply

"Of course he did, he was rich, and had a large house. But it turned out he used LESS energy per square foot."

Oh.

I didn't realize he used less energy per square foot.

So it's OK that he uses 21 times as much energy to power his house in a given year than the average US household.

#22 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-11-25 10:45 AM | Reply

"So it's OK that he uses 21 times as much energy to power his house"

With a house, say, 40 times the size?

"Waaaaaah, he's richer than me!"

Using that logic, anyone using more than the tiniest house is piggish.

#23 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-11-25 10:51 AM | Reply

You sound like Trump.

#24 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-11-25 10:53 AM | Reply

"You sound like Trump."

You sound like a math moron.

The bride and I get these quarterly notices from our electric company, showing we use (slightly) more power than our average neighbors. My reaction is always No shiite, Sherlock, since we both work from home all day. OF COURSE we're going to use more electricity than our neighbors, despite LEDs, programmable thermostats, and a melange of other conservation methods.

Without perspective, we're piggish. With perspective, we're good stewards. Actual Math not Republican Math.

#25 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-11-25 11:04 AM | Reply

"Without perspective, it's just a whine, that other people are richer than you."

Enough about trump's cabinet.

We've heard plenty about that.

#26 | Posted by eberly at 2020-11-25 11:35 AM | Reply

I don't really care how big your house is or how much energy you use. But I would take umbrage at someone who used 21 times as much energy as I did telling me that I was using too much energy.

#27 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-11-25 11:35 AM | Reply

"But I would take umbrage at someone who used 21 times as much energy as I did telling me that I was using too much energy."

If their place is 40 times the size, you're just a math moron, jealous of someone richer than you. And their conservation methods put yours to shame.

#28 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-11-25 11:48 AM | Reply

But I would take umbrage at someone who used 21 times as much energy as I did telling me that I was using too much energy.

#27 | Posted by madbomber

Your "umbrage" would be the exact same if you were told the same thing by someone who used half as much energy as you.

You'd just find another excuse to ignore them.

#29 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-11-25 11:56 AM | Reply

I wonder how many Climate Action Summits were attended by people who flew in on private jets?

Climate Action for thee, but not for me.

#19 | Posted by madbomber

Someone who flies on a private jet to sign a climate protection agreement has done far more for the planet than someone who drives a prius to a vote for trump.

#30 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-11-25 11:58 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I am happy that the nepotism, cronyism, maliciousness and incompetence of the Trump administration will be gone. At the same time, I have little interest in returning to the neo-liberal attitudes of Democrats that resided within the Obama administration. If that's what you consider normal, I don't want it.

#31 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2020-11-25 12:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"So it's OK that he uses 21 times as much energy to power his house"

What kind of question is this?

Why wouldn't it be OK?

Is there a fundamental flaw with an economic paradigm which encourages some people to consume more resources than others?

#32 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-11-25 12:39 PM | Reply

"Your "umbrage" would be the exact same if you were told the same thing by someone who used half as much energy as you."

The difference is I wouldn't be lecturing anyone on their energy consumption.

"Someone who flies on a private jet to sign a climate protection agreement has done far more for the planet than someone who drives a prius to a vote for trump."

Like I said: Do as I say, not as I do.

#33 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-11-25 12:45 PM | Reply

"At the same time, I have little interest in returning to the neo-liberal attitudes of Democrats that resided within the Obama administration. If that's what you consider normal, I don't want it."

Are you looking for more of a Cuba/Venezuela kinda vibe from the Biden White House?

#34 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-11-25 12:54 PM | Reply

"The difference is I wouldn't be lecturing anyone on their energy consumption."

Then what's this?

"So it's OK that he uses 21 times as much energy to power his house"

#35 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-11-25 01:01 PM | Reply

"Is there a fundamental flaw with an economic paradigm which encourages some people to consume more resources than others?"

No.

It's just disingenuous for a hyper-consumer to criticize someone who consumes less for their own consumption.

#36 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-11-25 01:16 PM | Reply

" It's just disingenuous for a hyper-consumer to criticize someone who consumes less for their own consumption."

That assumes you're incapable of learning from anyone who uses roughly half the energy per square foot as you.

#37 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-11-25 01:39 PM | Reply

Like I said: Do as I say, not as I do.

#33 | Posted by madbomber

If what you DO is start an electric car company that results in millions of tons of C02 not being burned, then you could fly on private jets all day long and the net carbon imprint of your life would still be massively negative.

It is about what you DO.

Buying an electric car is helpful. Passing legislation that makes it cheaper to own electric cars and more expensive to burn gas is far more helpful.

Fixing the climate can only be done with large scale policies.

#38 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-11-25 02:00 PM | Reply

Fixing the climate is going to be done with technology, if it's going to be done at all.

#39 | Posted by eberly at 2020-11-25 02:11 PM | Reply

-Someone who flies on a private jet to sign a climate protection agreement has done far more for the planet than someone who drives a prius to a vote for trump.

I agree assuming the climate protection agreement actually protects the climate.

#40 | Posted by eberly at 2020-11-25 02:13 PM | Reply

"So it's OK that he uses 21 times as much energy to power his house"

Yes.

In fact it's OK for him criticize those who used 1/21 of the power he consumed, because, as Danforth pointed out, his massive power consumption is more efficient when compared per square foot than the average household.

Maybe some people would take that argument seriously. I wouldn't.

#41 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-11-25 02:24 PM | Reply

"If what you DO is start an electric car company that results in millions of tons of C02 not being burned, then you could fly on private jets all day long and the net carbon imprint of your life would still be massively negative."

Here's your first problem. Something has to produce the electricity used to charge the battery on the electric car. In the US, that's mostly fossil fuels. So even if you have an electric car, you still need natural gas, coal, or petroleum to get the energy needed to charge it.

#42 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-11-25 02:30 PM | Reply

I'd love to see Trump's reaction to an AG Sally Yates!

#43 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-11-25 03:05 PM | Reply

Fixing the climate is going to be done with technology, if it's going to be done at all.

#39 | Posted by eberly

It didn't take technology to fix the ozone layer or the LA smog. It took government action. Nothing new had to be invented. It just required leaders who listen to scientists and care about the future.

#44 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-11-25 03:20 PM | Reply

Here's your first problem. Something has to produce the electricity used to charge the battery on the electric car. In the US, that's mostly fossil fuels. So even if you have an electric car, you still need natural gas, coal, or petroleum to get the energy needed to charge it.

#42 | Posted by madbomber

Here's your problem - you swallow exxon's propaganda about electric cars. If you have a gas car, you're stuck using gas no matter what. If you have an electric car, you can charge it from any number of sources.

An electric car powered by the dirtiest kind of coal plant still only produces as much C02 as a gas gar that gets 40mpg. And electric car powered from solar produces zero C02 to power it.

#45 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-11-25 03:22 PM | Reply

"Maybe some people would take that argument seriously. I wouldn't."

Then you're an ignorant whiner who believes he can't learn about less usage per square foot from someone with a bigger house than you.

#46 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-11-25 03:32 PM | Reply

"Something has to produce the electricity used to charge the battery on the electric car."

But if the electric can can go farther with the gas-generated juice, and the equation shows less gas-and-electricity were used to get greater travel, that's a net positive.

Where did you get your numbers training...Trump University?

#47 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-11-25 03:36 PM | Reply

What if the electric car is less efficient? It's a false improvement. Just feel good theater. The batteries use rare earths and are very polluting to manufacture. Electric cars are a shibboleth.

#48 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-11-25 04:15 PM | Reply

"What if the electric car is less efficient?"

Less efficient than what, a bicycle?

Go back to Russia.

#49 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-11-25 04:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The batteries use rare earths and are very polluting to manufacture."

Rare earths that Russia does not have, comrade.

#50 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-11-25 04:19 PM | Reply

"It's just disingenuous for a hyper-consumer to criticize someone who consumes less for their own consumption."

No more disingenuous than Warren Buffett saying it's a good idea to live within your means, not Warren Buffett's means.

You're desperate to shoot the messenger. We get it.

#51 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-11-25 04:21 PM | Reply

Fixing the climate is going to be done with technology, if it's going to be done at all.
#39 | POSTED BY EBERLY

That's funny, because breaking the climate was done with technology.

So, where'd you get this idea technology can fix it? Technology is what broke it.

Can a gun fix a gunshot wound too?

#52 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-11-25 04:24 PM | Reply

Can a gun fix a gunshot wound too?

Only when you rewind.

Then it sucks up the bullets and patches up the holes.

#53 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-11-25 04:26 PM | Reply

I only have one thing to say about Biden's team.

It's mostly white people and one black lady.

I'm not sure what diversity Biden has brought to the table.

I'm glad they're all competent. That actually means more to me.

But. I don't see the diversity. I'm probably missing it.

#54 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-11-25 04:30 PM | Reply

#54 you were hoping for two Blacks, a Cripple, and a Jew?

#55 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-11-25 04:33 PM | Reply

Why is perpetual motion considered to be impossible?
Perpetual motion is one impossible concept because it defies the laws of thermodynamics, particularly the first law and the second law. The first law states that energy can be transformed but can neither be created nor destroyed.

Ala TrU

#56 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2020-11-25 04:37 PM | Reply

Two Blacks, a Cripple, and a Jew walk into a bar.

#57 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-11-25 04:38 PM | Reply

Unsurprisingly, I misremembered the actual quote.

"We have every kind of mix you can have. I have a black, I have a woman, two Jews and a cripple. And we have talent."
--James G. Watt

#58 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-11-25 04:43 PM | Reply

Are you looking for more of a Cuba/Venezuela kinda vibe from the Biden White House?
#34 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Cuba, Venezuela... sounds familiar...
Oh, right. It's Trumper Mythology!

"For more than a week, a plain-spoken former federal prosecutor named Sidney Powell made the rounds on right-wing talk radio and cable news, facing little pushback as she laid out a conspiracy theory that Venezuela, Cuba and other "communist" interests had used a secret algorithm to hack into voting machines and steal millions of votes from President Trump." www.nytimes.com

#59 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-11-25 04:54 PM | Reply

QAnonBomber has old talking points.

He needs to recoordinate with his handlers and come back with a revised script.

#60 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-11-25 04:56 PM | Reply

By the way.

It's amazing QAnonBomber doesn't see the form of Democratic socialism found in Europe, especially his host country, Germany, as a viable form of government.

America must either continue down its unsustainable road of autocratic crony capitalism, or settle for "Cuban/Venezuelan" style socialism.

There's nothing else available.

#61 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-11-25 05:04 PM | Reply

What if the electric car is less efficient? It's a false improvement. Just feel good theater. The batteries use rare earths and are very polluting to manufacture. Electric cars are a shibboleth.

#48 | Posted by Effeteposer

They're not.

Nice copy-paste list of exxon's fallacies about EVs. 2 minutes of googling could have prevented your ignorance.

I often wonder what makes people go onto public forums to prove to the world how ignorant they are.

#62 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-11-25 05:30 PM | Reply

Boredom. Isolation. Nothing going on.

#63 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-11-25 05:48 PM | Reply

See,you interacted with my Avatar for a few seconds. Mission accomplished.

#64 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-11-25 05:49 PM | Reply

"I often wonder what makes people go onto public forums to prove to the world how ignorant they are."

Oh my god.....so so I.

#65 | Posted by eberly at 2020-11-25 06:01 PM | Reply

So do I.

#66 | Posted by eberly at 2020-11-25 06:01 PM | Reply

So do I.

#66 | Posted by eberly

Tell me about it. There are fools wandering all over the internet acting like BOTH SIDES are the problem and not caring how stupid it makes them look.

#67 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-11-25 06:16 PM | Reply

"It's mostly white people and one black lady."

And one Hispanic:

Alejandro Mayorkas, a Cuban-American lawyer, to become the first Latino to run the Department of Homeland Security

www.forbes.com

#68 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-11-25 07:43 PM | Reply

"There are fools wandering all over the internet..."

Holy ----, you're on a roll.....

#69 | Posted by eberly at 2020-11-25 07:52 PM | Reply

I'm no fool. I'm bored, I'm looking for entertainment. "Here we are now,entertain us".

Duh?

#70 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-11-25 08:30 PM | Reply

"I'm glad they're all competent. That actually means more to me."

Are you sure you?

You do realize you're placing competency over diversity.

I think you may be forgetting who you are.

#71 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-11-26 02:56 AM | Reply

"It's amazing QAnonBomber doesn't see the form of Democratic socialism found in Europe, especially his host country, Germany, as a viable form of government."

Well, first, there are no socialist countries in Europe, with the exception of Belarus. I suppose it's a viable form of government. You may like it. Personally, I would prefer one of the capitalist countries in Europe. Which is all the others.

#72 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-11-26 03:01 AM | Reply

"There's nothing else available."

So, I'm going to be honest, I don't think you're smart enough to have this discussion.

The left likes to offer up visions of a world where "working" people are provided a plethora of rights and benefits at no cost to themselves. It sounds good to progressives, but it doesn't stand up to critical thought. It's mostly just a talking point.

If you're looking for a lavish government-provided benefits package, it's doable. But funded by a steep Value Added Tax that everyone pays. Free college? Mostly. But you don't just decide you want to go to college. You're tracked in that direction starting in grade 4. If, at that age, you haven't shown the aptitude to succeed at a university, you'll be tracked into a trade. Just like the US, it is possible for non-traditional students to complete their abitur and attend university, but it's not as easy as signing up for night school.

Limit income inequality? Easy. Strangle access to credit. In Germany, if you want to buy a house, you'll need to put down between 20% and 40%. And the longest mortgage you're going to get is a 15 year mortgage. This is a big part of why only slightly over 50% of Germans own their homes. Same thing with cars. You'll be expected to put down 50% on a car purchase, which of course includes the 19% VAT. And credit cards. Many German businesses don't accept them. And most Germans don't use them. And when they do, they more often charge cards that must be paid in full each month. Germans in general have an aversion to debt, which in German is "schuld." It also means "guilt."

#73 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-11-26 03:47 AM | Reply

From my vantage point, I view the system as incredibly fair. The Germans do their best to be good stewards of taxpayer dollars.

Many of my co-workers are civilians over here working on residence cards. I've never heard them complain about the tax policies. In fact I've really only heard favorable comments.

The only gripe I would have is the difference in credit cards. I get a ridiculous number of benefits from my credit cards that would not be achievable in any other reasonable way.

#74 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-11-26 03:50 AM | Reply

And just to reiterate, everything I mentioned that occurs in Germany is 100% funded by capitalism. You can't be anti-capitalist and favor any of the European systems, with the exception of Belarus. And you can't be both socialist and favor capitalism.

#75 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-11-26 03:51 AM | Reply

I think you may be forgetting who you are.

I know who I am.

I know what you are.

#76 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-11-26 12:22 PM | Reply

I'm going to be honest, I don't think you're smart enough to have this discussion.

I'm going to be honest with you. I know you're not smart enough to have this discussion.

You're a real good punching bag.

But you're nothing beyond that.

You write a lot of bullshht. Hoping volumes on misinformation will convince someone, anyone, to accept your worldview.

#77 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-11-26 12:41 PM | Reply

"You write a lot of bullshht. Hoping volumes on misinformation will convince someone, anyone, to accept your worldview."

Fair enough.

So between #72 and #75...what is bullshht?

#78 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-11-26 02:20 PM | Reply

crickets....

#79 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-11-26 02:21 PM | Reply

Hey MadBomber.

You forgot Poland! I mean, Portugal. ;)

#80 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-11-26 02:30 PM | Reply

"everything I mentioned that occurs in Germany is 100% funded by capitalism."

What does this mean, "funded by Capitalism?"

The funding mechanism for state activity is taxation.

#81 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-11-26 02:32 PM | Reply

And you can't be both socialist and favor capitalism.

#75 | Posted by madbomber

So do you use sidewalks, or do you favor capitalism instead?

#82 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-11-26 03:13 PM | Reply

"What does this mean, "funded by Capitalism?""

That means if a Socialist society sells one barrel of oil, they're capitalists.

But libraries, roads, police & fire, public schools...NOT Socialism. And Fascist dictators who execute or arrest Socialists? Definitely Socialists, because their leader was a member of a group with the word "Socialist" in their name, years and years prior.

You know...just like Saddam's Republican Guard was manned solely by Republicans.
/s

#83 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-11-26 03:34 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"So between #72 and #75...what is bullshht?"

I'll take that.

The left likes to offer up visions of a world where "working" people are provided a plethora of rights and benefits at no cost to themselves.

From my observation, "the left" doesn't believe that at all. "The left" seems quite aware it would require greater taxation, and "the left" is also aware the current tax code funnels money upward.

Take landlords, for example. "Collecting rent" currently gets a subtraction of 20% of gross profit before paying income tax. Same for business owners: a 20% reduction in profits before income taxes are due. And "Investing gains" also have a favored tax rate, and GRATs allow money to be passed tax-free.

Compare all of this to labor, which gets NO 20% reduction, and is taxed at higher rates all around, even before factoring in payroll tax rates.

I believe "the left" realizes if the tax code were fairer, society would be able to afford more items akin to what Germany affords. No one with a room temperature IQ or higher believes benefits come without any costs whatsoever.

#84 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-11-26 04:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"The left likes to offer up visions of a world where "working" people are provided a plethora of rights and benefits at no cost to themselves."

Is Jeff Bezos a working person, MadBomber?

Or is "working" people code for poor people?

#85 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-11-26 05:00 PM | Reply

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